Lawyer Marc Elias Shows the Mar-a-Lago Raid is All About Disqualifying Trump in 2024
“shall forfeit his office and be disqualified from holding any office under the United States.”
Why bother hiding your cards when the media won’t challenge you?
Democrat lawyer Marc Elias knows what’s up. He shows us why the Democrats raided Trump’s home at Mar-a-Lago.
Because this would never apply to anyone else, right? Looking at you, Hillary.
18 U.S. Code § 2071 – Concealment, removal, or mutilation generally:
(b)Whoever, having the custody of any such record, proceeding, map, book, document, paper, or other thing, willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, falsifies, or destroys the same, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both; and shall forfeit his office and be disqualified from holding any office under the United States. As used in this subsection, the term “office” does not include the office held by any person as a retired officer of the Armed Forces of the United States.
The media is missing the really, really big reason why the raid today is a potential blockbuster in American politics.👇 pic.twitter.com/3BdI9NA9Az
— Marc E. Elias (@marceelias) August 9, 2022
Yes, I recognize the legal challenge that application of this law to a president would garner (since qualifications are set in Constitution). But the idea that a candidate would have to litigate this is during a campaign is in my view a "blockbuster in American politics."
— Marc E. Elias (@marceelias) August 9, 2022
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It’s the first shot of the second civil war.
And of course you’re going to be the first one to grab his AR and a couple of bandoliers and head for DC, right? No, I didn’t think so. Rabble-rousing bullshit.
Oh I don’t think he’ll be the first. Didn’t some idiot travel to DC to kill a couple Supreme Court Justices? So democrat rabble-rousing bullshit assassins don’t count?
Oh, the left has no problem with doing exactly that. I was simply pointing out that NOBODY on the right does that. We’re too law abiding. Our enemies have been recognizing and exploiting that for a century.
The Democrats love seeing the sheeple-minds like yours knowing that nothing they do would cause you to revolt. Good luck with that.
I just don’t engage in internet saber rattling.
If the incumbent regime can by whatever means bar the opposition from choosing who will oppose the regime, what point are elections?
That is exactly the point about “cooler heads”. They already know where voters are going with this attempted communist takeover. This is just making free elections THE major threat to them even worse so you can bet they will take down their opposition and rig/cancel elections. They already know which bloggers and websites are the enemy. This isn’t about bloggers and their commenters. Besides, our leaders are right out there in the open risking it all and they are being effective because they represent people. They represent US. And we have to cower in fear of upsetting the enemy? Yeah, let’s not piss off Hitler by fighting back!
If we are heading into a civil war, it will start at some time and it will be incidents like this that will trigger it. Are we going to wait until they start assassinating people? Isn’t that their next move with Trump and DeSantis and their growing following?
It’s Vladimir Putin level of crap isn’t it
First of all, as Elias himself points out, this law cannot apply to the presidency, vice presidency, or to congress, because Congress has no authority to make any law disqualifying anyone from those positions.
Second, even on the statute’s own terms, it says “office under the United States”. That term is taken directly from the constitution itself, where it means only appointed office, not elected office. The presidency, vice presidency, and congress are not “offices under the united states”. Any provision that uses that term does not apply to them.
As for Trump having to litigate to get on the ballots, in most states that he would expect to carry he wouldn’t have to litigate. His team would simply point this out to the state boards of election, and they’d put him on the ballot. In most of the states where the boards of election would resist, and litigation would be needed, he might as well not bother; if he can’t win a state anyway, there’s no reason to be on the ballot there. Let California and Maryland leave him off the ballot; it wouldn’t cost him any electors, so why fight? He will either win without them or not at all.
Yes, we expect Trump to lose California and New York, and win Texas and West Virginia. Enough states are toss ups to be concerned. Trump won in Wisconsin in 2016, and the 2020 loss looks suspicious. Too many ballots in illegal drop boxes. The swing states are crucial. The Marxist, leftist, democrats didn’t need to cheat everywhere. Detroit, Atlanta, Milwaukee, Maricopa County, and Philadelphia were enough. The fight on the margins is crucial.
And whose Constitution are you basing this litigation on? Armed thugs and armies move faster than lawyers and their courts.
Remember me, in the run-up to the 2016 election, talking about how the Democrat media, with it’s over-the-top lying would only strengthen Trump?
I’ll say it now: I think the Democrats just lost the next Presidential election, if Trump runs.
I think Valerie is correct. Personally, I am mighty pissed off about this. This is one more straw on the camels back and eventually …………
WHAT election? You mean the ‘mail in ballot’ and ‘voting machine’ election of 2022?
‘It’s a bold strategy Cotton, let’s see how it plays out’.
This seems very short sighted, high risk high reward. If they find a smoking gun in their fishing expedition all well and good. Don’t find it though….folks are upset, big time.
They better hope DJT was as foolish or arrogant as they believe and actually has unclassified docs which he didn’t declassify as the unitary executive. DJT has been around the block and I doubt he was foolish enough in the wake of Jan 6 and the aftermath not to have proof and plan and all his ducks in a row with copies of exculpatory evidence stored off-site just in case of this exact scenario.
If they don’t find a smoking gun, they will create it…or try to.
It will be the same as the 4 years of his presidency: “I hear [this] is in those papers they seized!” Followed by “I’ve seen the evidence!” With some “The hammer is dropping!” thrown in the mix.
They never have to prove it, just keep throwing it out in front of the mal-educated electorate, every day, until enough believe it.
Right now, it seems that they are desperate to get people’s attention since literally NO ONE is paying attention to their J6 carnival.
I just don’t see the point. First if this turns out to be a BS technical violation v any real substance they are pushing folks towards backing DJT. Let’s say they make a charge stick, a substantial one and that knocks DJT out of contention. Then what? Biden is still way underwater, inflation rampant and DeSantis is the 2024 opponent.
What is the payoff? Unless they think the populist right movement is dependent on DJT and that simply isn’t so. DeSantis takes Florida policies to DC and the d/prog will howl very loudly as they are instituted. The bureaucracy will fight DeSantis just as hard as DJT so both have equal motivation to defang and declaw them. Especially now.
I’ m old enough to remember when Mitt Romney was literally Hitler
If they knock Trump out of the election, they will be doing the MAGA movement a favor – there will be no internal fight between Trump and DeSantis. Keeping Trump out will assure MAGA solidarity. It will be a mistake for the Dems to bar Trump from running.
Which is why this is going to end with them arresting and convicting him so he CAN’T run.
I said it months ago. They are terrified of what he will do if he gets elected again, they cannot allow him to actually have a chance.
Arresting and convicting him wouldn’t stop him from running. And assuming it’s an obviously BS charge it wouldn’t stop him from winning either.
Trying to run from a prison cell (if he were convicted and sentenced to at least 2 years) would be challenging. Could he be President while incarcerated? Interesting times may be on the way.
As soon as he was sworn in he could pardon himself.
Biden ran from his basement with zero base.
…and ” the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in the history of American politics,” which Donnie ain’t got.
Eugene V. Debs ran a couple of times from a jail cell and did well for a third party commie.
Exactly. They know what Trump tried to do with his “Schedule F” in his last weeks in office. He will reclassify all the SES and GS15-16 positions in the Department of Justice as political appointees, and fire them all. This is all about self-preservation for the 7 floor of the Hoover Bdlg and the DOJ.
That should have been done in the first weeks in office
Doesn’t this action make it more likely that any opposition candidate would now be far more on board with gutting the bureaucracy? Viewing how a prior regime is being targeted by a subsequent regime would seem to deliver an unequivocal lesson; gut the bureaucracy and drive the bad actors out of govt service or risk the same treatment when your regime ends.
No it won’t. It is blowing up in their faces already and the “big chill” is spreading across America. The public reaction is like nothing else: Americans are profoundly shocked. The world is changing fast and momentum is driving that change in a new direction. Here is something I just heard Lee Smith pointing out to Dan Bongino;
The judge that approved the warrant for this raid is the same Florida judge who was once leading the prosecution against Jeffrey Epstein and ended up dropping the case and DEFENDING Epstein.
The more we learn about this, the dirtier it gets.
Not if the cheating is repeated.
And there’s no reason to believe that it won’t be, given that the same people are in control of the same offices that stole the last one.
History shows that republics last a couple hundred years. We’re done. Nice knowing you folks, but I’m going radio silent.
Admitting it’s frivolous beforehand. It’s up to the People now to choose and stand up to the malice of progressives toward America.
What’s that sound? I think it’s the J6 Committee popping corks on several bottles of champagne.
It’ll be flat before they have an occasion to drink it.
“Let not he who is strapping on his weapons boast as one who is taking them off”. 1 Kings 20:11.
MvCarthy is “threatening “ to impeach Garland.
Yeah, yeah. Blargle blargle blah blah.
Marc Elias is responsible for many of the election shenanigans of the past few years. I wonder how much personal security he has. Asking for a friend.
How much does the Fibbie director have?
Would that include deleting 33,000 emails that were under subpoena?
I don’t think the Democrats understand the fire they just started.
My unsolicited advice to Governor Ron DeSantis: Sir, you’ve already spoken on this issue and about how it’s a terrible thing. Go one step further. Come out and publicly state that you support Donald Trump 100% to be the 47th President of the United States because it’s clear the left is out of control and needs to be stopped. Ask all others on the right and the liberals who’ve been abandoned by the Democratic Party to join together to end the progressives who are destroying America.
Civil War is in my humble opinion just a couple blocks down the road. We have one last chance to stop and turn away.
OZ, at this point, I’m not entirely certain “The Democrats” ( as a whole) either knew about or sanctioned this.
Too many Democrats support the action without understanding that the forces behind it are NOT on their side either.
“So much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don’t even know that fire is hot.”
I say it’s poisoning DJT so no one will out of fear for themselves back him
They don’t understand us. They really, really don’t understand us.
(Sorry, I’m channelling my inner Sally Field.)
Been saying that for years. The Deep State’s war on Trump isn’t about Trump. Its purpose is to demonstrate to others what they can do to people like Trump, and what they can do to anyone who works for or with such a person. It’s an attempt to preclude the return of Trump, or the rise of someone in his place. Liz Cheney is already talking about how bad DeSantis could be for the country. She understands that the campaign against Trump hasn’t been because of mean tweets, it’s been about keeping monkey wrenches out of “the Plan.”
I am envisioning a DeSamtis presidency with DJT as a key advisor to the President.
In the mean time, the House can de-fund the FIB and a good share of the Department of Justice. Oh, and re-size the funding for the IRS to the previous size or less. Re-write House rules to fit.
Give them DJT, and DeSantis is toast. They’d love you to give up.
At this point, we don’t have any realistic alternative to nominating Trump. We have to do our best not to allow this sort of tactic to succeed, because it’s clear this is the future of elections. I’m a big DeSantis fan, but his time is not now and may never come if this is allowed to stand.
Legal or not, constitutional or not, it all doesn’t matter. This, just like the Jan 6th ‘hearings’ is just another scene in the democrat’s play. Keep the hype going strong in the base, and when the 2024 election draws near, get the AG’s in several deep blue states to declare Trump in ineligible to be on the ballot. Watch.
In “deep blue” states it doesn’t matter whether he’s on the ballot. Any state that he can’t win, there is no harm in leaving him off the ballot. And the fact that he’s been forced off it in those states will drive more people to support him in states he can win.
It does make a difference in the “popular vote”, which is the club the left has and will use to declare anything he accomplishes as “illegitimate”.
So, what’s Trump got on Biden or the FBI?
I want an answer to that question.
A statute cannot override the constitution’s qualifications for president or other elected offices.
Can a federal law be passed that says lawyers with the initials M.E.E. are disqualified from holding office? So much for your legal acumen there, pal.
He pointed that problem out himself.
Mr. Elias seems to forget that both Clintons engaged in the same conduct as well, His business is the destruction of the Republican Party and the Electoral College.
Good thing they threw Sandy Berger in the clink for theft and destruction of Top Secret documents from the Archives. Oh, they didn’t, did they.