Apparently Staged Mar-a-Lago Photo Doesn’t Help FBI/DOJ Credibility And Doesn’t Reveal Anything We Didn’t Already Know
If this is a staged photo it may have given the feds a minor news cycle win, but it didn’t help FBI/DOJ credibility. It makes them seem like they are playing to the media, but in fact they played into Trump’s argument that the FBI/DOJ can’t be trusted.”
Just before the midnight August 30 deadline, the DOJ filed its Response To Motion For Judicial Oversight.
Despite the media frothing à la Russia Collusion, the filing did not reveal a lot new. We already knew from court filings and FBI/DOJ leaks to the media that Trump had documents marked with varying levels of classification at Mar-a-Lago. The legal issue is whether it was a crime for Trump to have those documents.
I’ve been careful not to opine on the criminal law regarding the possession of such documents because, as I’ve explained, it’s not an area I’m familiar with and it’s not the easiest field to come up to speed on. A number of knowledgeable commentators, including Mike Davis and David Rivkin, argue that Trump had the absolute right to remove and retain those records. Others and the entirety of the mainstream corporate media and #TheResistance Twitter Lawyers say otherwise. I don’t know who’s right, but the DOJ filing didn’t shed any new factual light on the subject.
The DOJ filing hints that what they will argue in a potential criminal process is obstruction of justice. But that’s a typical ploy by the feds — if they can’t get you for a crime, they get you for lying about the non-crime. The argument is that team Trump lied when they said all subpoenaed documents had been returned. If that’s all they have, are they really going to indict the former president and future candidate over lying about a non-crime?
But the most inflammatory part of the filing was the wholly unnecessary inclusion of a photograph of envelopes marked with various classifications that was included as an exhibit.
What was the purpose of including the photo? That such documents were found at Mar-a-Lago was already known. We also don’t know what they are about, are they the Crossfire Hurricane documents Trump expressly declassified? We don’t know.
But more important, are the feds saying the documents were spread on the floor when they were found as depicted in the photo? That’s not claimed in the court filing, it’s only claimed that the documents were found.
Certain of the documents had colored cover sheets indicating their classification status. See, e.g., Attachment F (redacted FBI photograph of certain documents and classified cover sheets recovered from a container in the “45 office”).
If this is a staged photo it may have given the feds a minor news cycle win, but it didn’t help FBI/DOJ credibility. It makes them seem like they are playing to the media, but in fact they played into Trump’s argument that the FBI/DOJ can’t be trusted:
There seems to be confusion as to the “picture” where documents were sloppily thrown on the floor and then released photographically for the world to see, as if that’s what the FBI found when they broke into my home. Wrong! They took them out of cartons and spread them around on the carpet, making it look like a big “find” for them. They dropped them, not me – Very deceiving…And remember, we could have NO representative, including lawyers, present during the Raid. They were told to wait outside.
It has fairly level-headed people like Byron York questioning why a likely staged photo was used:
DOJ wins daily PR battle with photo of classified documents strewn across floor at Mar-a-Lago. Story is Trump alleged mis-handling of classified documents, and just look at them — scattered all over the floor! Can you believe it? 1/11 pic.twitter.com/NQfzjCacY2
— Byron York (@ByronYork) August 31, 2022
The layout of the photo does not conform with other descriptions of how the documents were kept — 'intermixed' and 'commingled' with magazines, photos, print-outs, letters, and other stuff. 4/11
— Byron York (@ByronYork) August 31, 2022
Tonight, Trump filed his Reply In Support of Motion For Judicial Oversight and addressed the photo:
Even yesterday, the Government’s Response gratuitously included a photograph of allegedly classified materials, pulled from a container and spread across the floor for dramatic effect.
The hearing is tomorrow, September 1.
What the FBI/DOJ filings do not shed much light on was what the emergency was. What event was about to happen to expose these documents to hostile powers? Their mere presence at Mar-a-Lago had been known for weeks, what was it that on August 5th, 2022, drove the feds to get a search warrant? We still don’t know, and the staged photo doesn’t lend credibility to whatever explanation the FBI/DOJ eventually announces.
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Heh, I’m old enough to remember Mittens getting spanked (at Barrys urging) by Candy Crowley regarding Russia.
When does he grow a pair, emerge from his RINO cubiculum privatum and ask for an apology?
He’d have to actually want to do that to do it.
He is getting paid much more to be a useful stooge for the left.
Once a man has been castrated, he is a gelding for life.
Are we to believe they would photograph the actual top secret documents and then publish them for all the world to see?
I’m old enough to remember Sandy Burglar stuffing classified stuff at the National Archives into his socks to save Bill and Hillary.
The DOJ has nothing and is populated by children. Sure would be nice if someone did something about it. That can’t happen just yet. When the time comes that it could, I’m confident it won’t.
The judge should sua sponte find the responsible DOJ lawyers in contempt of court for this egregious stunt.
The Judge could do that but we all know the Judge will not.
Children? No, treasonous Marxists controlled by the Obiden Junta installed by the CCP is a more accurate description.
both are true
U spikin the ball but you didn’t score a touchdown
If not staged, then really painstakingly detailed Photoshop-type editing to cover documents with blank white “paper.” I doubt such editing occurred.
Instead, I suspect the the FBI “special” agents set this up with scissors, blank white paper and maybe also clear tape.
BINGO unless we are to believe Trump only had “redacted” stuff.
For this to have happened…
They had to read the document- make a determination- make a custom cut out- precision position said cut out- lay documents out and photograph
All during a warrant service?
Highly unusual and suspect to say the least.
Oh Dear, Oh My! And so far not one document apparently explains how the Democrats plan to win next election. Not much here.
I’m sure Trump has tapes of them
Doing this, he refused to turn off the cameras did t he?
And he’s a clean freak, this doesn’t happen in a clean freaks house, I know that for a fact
If Trump has video tapes of them staging this photo, why doesn’t he release them? That would really help at this point.
Personally I think he does but we don’t know for sure.
Trump is not the type to be goaded into getting off his plan.
The only battle that matters (which is yet to come) is if (I say “if based on this investigation but that’s another discussion) there is an actual indictment.
Trump is well advised to keep his powder dry and secrets close to the vest for that contingency.
Because the Democrat DoJ has subpoenaed the security tapes already.
We’ve all seen photos of law enforcement standing in front of seized drugs weapons and cash. Proud of their trophy. That’s what this photo is. Their trophy. I wasn’t sure they were going to indict anyone before this filing. But the trophy photo now makes me think it’s likely.
An indictment was guaranteed as soon as they convened a grand jury. Trump has to have known this.
Actually, this “staged picture” combined with the lack of “non leak” on what incriminating things they found plus a few other things leads me not to think they may NOT indict Trump.
We know they want to yes, but an indictment from a GJ then to LOSE the case will actually work against them.
I don’t think they have a case and that’s why there may not be an indictment
This image is totally staged. Look at the crime scene measurement at the bottom middle of the image. It should be the same length on each side. In the image the top part is cut off which means that it is under the documents. The only way for this to happen is that the measurement tape would need to be pushed under the documents or the documents would need to be put on top of it.
The likelyhood of it being pushed under the documents is small and it would cause wrinkles in the tape that would be tedious to smooth out and why would you do this would you could just put it over the documents.
The FBI needs to be defunded and removed. This is garbage.
If the documents are classified, isn’t it illegal to photograph / make copies of them?
Yes. In fact, if you had a security clearance and laid a series of classified documents out on the floor like this with blank pieces of paper over certain areas and photographed them for release on Twitter, you would be canned so fast…
But of course the FBI is investigating a Republican, so they can post things like that on social media without any consequences.
The easy answer is much like Trump has claimed: everything he sent to MAL is to be considered declassified and declared his personal papers, as was his right as President. If the FBI or DOD decides Document XYZ-17 really needs to stay classified, they can subpoena it for retrieval. If the Archives wants something out of the collection, they can *ask* but they can’t demand, because it’s Trump’s decision if he takes it out of his personal papers and turns it back into their bailiwick.
And prosecuted. Look up the case of Petty Officer First Class Kristian Saucier.
And Saucier didn’t even publish the pictures, but was caught by another crewmember in the process of taking them. There certainly wasn’t a public full-court press release of them, unlike with the supposedly classified documents in the picture from the FBI.
Count me in the camp of wanting to know why did Trump have these documents and why didn’t he return them when he was subpoenaed?
There is plenty of speculation from both sides that is getting us nowhere.
And no, I don’t think this is helping Republicans in the midterms.
Trump should put the whole thing to rest with a simple explanation..
The image of Hitler and Himmler loosing the Gestapo on their political foes certainly isn’t helping the pedophile-in-chief and his retarded communists.
When did Trump fail to cooperate with anyone? The GSA mailed all this stuff to him. Why? Because it was his property. Hello, is this thing on?
I don’t know why people always ignore this. I am sure you know this but these documents weren’t transferred out of the White House AFTER he left office but BEFORE. They are HIS property. The POTUS is the ultimate authority on what is classified and what is not and he has that power right until the moment when power is transferred to his successor. And besides, the documents the DOJ/FBI are most in a snit about are those related to Crossfire Hurricane which Trump had made known publicly he had declassified them and ordered them released to the public long before the end of his term. This isn’t even open to debate.
Why did Tru p accuse the FBI of planting the top secret document if they were mailed to him?
It just doesn’t make sense.
It makes sense simply because no one was allowed to be there as oversight. Because no one was allowed to be there during the search it calls in to question the entire fucking operation as there is no chain of custody for anything they say they pulled out of the office.
The FBI could have waited until they were back at the office to plant these documents and adjust the paperwork to make it look like these documents were taken from Mar Lago.
It would be nice for you to be accurate about what he said:
“Everyone was asked to leave the premises, they wanted to be left alone, without any witnesses to see what they were doing, taking or, hopefully not, “planting.””
For someone who was impeached twice over bullshit, who had a pee dossier full of lies thrown against him, who was raided by the federal government after cooperating with them, I think being suspicious of these jerks is warranted.
Are we really supposed to believe that our national security is in some closet of a former government official? If that was really true, all that had to do was print some new paper, and we would all be safe again. This storyline is pure stupidity on national display for all to see.
Simple explanation? President Trump was the ultimate arbiter of classified documents, both in viewing and declassification.
Not to mention that the law that Hillary violated thousands of times by putting classified info on the internet doesn’t apply to presidents and former presidents.
And then you can “put the whole thing to rest” by giving us “a simple explanation” of when you stopped beating your significant other ….
No. I don’t get it.
Why did Trump have top secret documents at his golf club?
And why did Trump accuse the FBI of planting the documents?
Trump is in big trouble and he’s sinking the Republican Party.
Hes in trouble of winning in a landslide in 24 hahahahahahah fucking dumb ass democrats hahahahaha
I’m sure this isn’t all you “don’t get” but to spur you along….
Trump didn’t have “top secret” documents- he had declassified documents still bearing markings (media narratives don’t work here, too many of us have had clearances and know how this actually works)
Trump has not officially ( the only thing that matters) accused the FBI with anything
hope that helps
The law protecting classified documents which Hillary violated thousands of times doesn’t apply to former presidents.
The political nature of the raid has been obvious from the beginning—a propaganda extravaganza staged by the Blue Cheka (fka FBI) and the State Prosecutor’s Office (fka DOJ). Sort of a Waco without dead women and children. The Democrat Reich is desperate to impose its elective despotism and has always viewed President Trump as a dangerous enemy—hence the numerous attempts to overthrow him.. But even now we can see Democrats starting to extend their targeting to every American—not just “Deplorables” anymore, but “semi-fascists.”
I suspect you dont actually want the simple answer (because Trump could as President) now do you darling?
The troll isn’t looking for answers or a debate
Just to sow discord and seeds of doubt
Looks suspiciously like Mark3:11.
Remember the extent the DOJ, FBI, et al went to in their attempt to frame Trump width the Russian collusion lie? After that you can’t count on them doing anything honestly! We don’t know that they didn’t plant the “classified” documents they found.
I think the framed Time covers might be classified, too.
and the evidence marker (2a- how ironic for the 2nd Amendment) was probably an inside joke
Schumer was right when he told Trump “You don’t want to take on the intelligence community. They have 18 different ways of getting back at you.”
They’ve been trying to take Trump down since the days of the fake Russian collusion hoax. This is more of the same and guys like jharp at 1013 swallow it.
So this is the picture that my neighbor was talking about when he asked me what I thought about, “Everything that’s going on”.
Somehow Hillary’s 30,000 vanished emails doesn’t bother him, and he doesn’t think Trump was exonerated in the Russian Collusion Hoax, and obviously Trump was breaking the law because he had these documents with these markings on them….
I see elsewhere that some pundits think an indictment is coming….I fear an indictment is going to tell half of the country that the system is so broken that it can’t be fixed, and that would not be a good message to send.
As a scientist, I can now see why magicians and hoaxsters are so successful: people are beyond gullible.
I weep for the future, if we still have one…
but it’s true – the system IS so broken that it can’t be fixed.
If anything I’d say this has to prove that those documents are not classified. Has anyone ever heard what happens to people who take photographs of classified documents?
They go to jail, do not pass go.
Exactly, I think even the corrupt Gestapo would hesitate to do that.
This is one time splitting hairs is necessary because the devil is really in the detail and that detail exposes this for the falsity it is.
There are no “documents” in this picture- let me explain, step-by-step
The cover sheets are just that- cover sheets. Meaningless
Unless there is a title/reference/ID number IAW the respective agency document numbering protocol VISIBLE ( Which there is none visible) then there is no “document” (identified as a legitimate verifiable document) to begin with.
(just revealing that would be a violation of law regarding document classification and would make this picture classified at birth and you can see they took pains to NOT reveal any)
So, what you actually have here is:
Pictures of UNKNOWN “stuff” covered with selectively cut pieces of paper garnished with all kinds of notebook covers to “spice it up”.
That’s ALL there is.
There is not one shred of verifiable evidence that there is an actual USG “document” there in the first place (classified or not)
This is a true prestidigitation ILLUSION for the “masses” to consume on its face without actually looking at the picture.
A psyop- nothing more.
This is how you know they are bluffing.
“If this is a staged photo…”
“IF”. You know, IF you assume everything the feds do, say, or photograph is a fraud you will be right 100% of the time.
You do know that the only way those documents can be included in a public domain picture in a court filing is if they have been declassified.
DING, DING, DING!! A winner!!
“You do know that the only way those documents can be included in a public domain picture in a court filing is if they have been declassified.“
The crimes Trump is accused of in the search warrant do not rely on the documents being classified.
As in it is immaterial if they were classified or not.
Okay FBI now show us photos of the Clinton bathroom server and the Hunter laptop. Toss in a photo of the garage door pull (NASCAR noose) too. I think I’m going to like the new rules. /s
This entire episode is so utterly lawless, farcical and indefensible, on the part of the vile and lawless Dumb-o-crats. With each passing day, their underhanded machinations, vindictiveness and fanaticism in getting President Trump, no matter the methods employed, become more and more transparent.
ABC morning “news” is breathlessly “reporting” about the picture of the staged documents, saying that these documents are only for people with the highest clearance.
Well, wouldn’t that be President Trump??
Now reporting that 59% think 45 acted “inappropriately,” and 23% acted appropriately. 79% are “paying attention” to the MAL story.
Well, when your opinion is shaped by the “news,” and pounded on us, hour by hour, what would you expect?
What a(nother) giant load of horse puckey.
In order to combat the lies, we must be armed with the truth- here is some (based on experience)
First, yeah its common to have a trophy picture and that’s clearly what this is but lets deconstruct it for some significant details.
The pictures carry no legal weight whatsoever- here are the details.
Its SOP for the warrant team to first take a picture of the scene/area for a baseline then a picture of the “evidence” IN SITU ( shows how they found it) then a more detailed photo (kinda what we have here showing fruits/detail)- we need to see THOSE PICTURES in order for proper context to be applied to this “thing” they published.
(Personally, I wouldn’t be surprised if Trump didn’t have a hidden camera in there and is sitting on this for later)
Now, part 2- this picture is at best HEARSAY and at worst evidence of EVIDENCE TAMPERING (I’m sure this will eventually make it into the media but have not seen it yet)
Depending on the scene pictures mentioned before….( we will see how critical they are now)
The actual pictures do not have any visible document identification and they have specifically cut/folded papers obstructing view- they are just pictures of “stuff” ( that could be blank pictures under the white cut-outs). That makes them basically worthless in evidentiary terms.
It cannot be said they are “evidence” or fruits of a warrant because they cant be verified as to what they actually are. ( without the other pictures to qualify and context them) (Hearsay)
Now those cut outs- Since they are in essence “altering” evidence from a search ( notice the placement and shape indicates a significant amount of time, effort, review and precision to make that layout)- it can be argued that there was evidence tampering going on. (depending on what the context photos show)
Then there’s the fact they took this time and effort for a “Hollywood” picture during the execution of a warrant. (unusual to say the least)
I’m beginning to see why Trump is so confident now.
This is not even addressing the main arguments about them actually being declassified and Trump being allowed to have them.
I believe this picture is going to backfire on the DOJ quickly as soon as somebody realizes the actual content and what it really shows.
The picture is just for PR – like the trophy pics of guns and drugs. The case they will present to the jury is more likely to a straightforward obstruction case. And I expect them to indict Trump’s lawyers first. After all, the lawyers signed the statements that are alleged to be false. Once they convict the lawyers (or they cop a plea), the lawyers testify against Trump.
Alleged is only that…alleged. Unless the FBI has some magic super sense of being able to determine what people believe to be the truth these days (and apparently to the FBI its simply anything they disagree with becomes an automatic lie and thus becomes a crime).
The Blue Cheka (fka FBI) and the State Prosecutor’s Office (fka DOJ) also was caught using a doctored photo in the Ruby Ridge case—a cheat that not only got the defendant a not guilty verdict, but cost the Feds millions in damages. The Mar-a-Lago staged photo is more of the same abuse of power.
Possession of classified documents is not a
This re[ply demonstrates the constitutional issues and infirmities with respect to the warrant, the search , the leaks by DOJ, and the rubber stamp oriented privilege team, which has no interest in preserving validly asserted privileges but rather minimizing the same to the point of nonexistence. There is a good chance that these issues will have to be decided by the local Federal appellate court which leans to the conservative side as well as SCOTUS
Possession of classified documents is not a crime as long as these documents are being handled properly. Many non government individuals, companies and corporations have classified documents as our national defense structure could not exist without manufactures and consultants as well as senior officials (retired military personnel and diplomats) having immediate use of certain documents. Any crime would be the mishandling of classified information (Clinton’s server for example) Trump’s storage at Mari Lago was locked and guarded by US Secret Service.
“Possession of classified documents is not a crime as long as these documents are being handled properly.“
The crimes Trump is accused of do not rely on the material being classified.
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Exactly what “crimes” is Trump accused of ?
Wouldn’t it be interesting if the Judge should reject the DOJ filing as non responsive since he authorized a 20 page response but DOJ used 33 pages including mostly irrelevant information about the reasons for the search and the documents found. Failed to correctly respond to the Judicial oversight question in the first 20 pages!
The photo is not only staged, it’s fake. I spent 12 years in the Air Force and held Secret and Top Secret clearances. Documents are classified at the highest level of the most classified document in a file, If these were really classified documents, then the photo itself would be Top Secret (since there are files make Top Secret in it) and releasing it to the public would be a violation. I suspect that if the photo is real, the documents were declassified.
Also, I doubt if there is anyone in the FBI or DOJ authorized to read the files. The bellwords for classified information (I know, it’s not a real term, I just made it up) are “a need to know” which means that ONLY someone with a valid need to know is authorized to access classified information. We had that term drilled into us from the day we started basic training until the day I got out – when I had to sign a document promising not to reveal any classified information.
This is politics, and the FBI has become a tool of the Biden Whitehouse. The documents are most likely formerly classified documents containing information detrimental to Biden, Obama, members of the Obama Whitehouse – including Hillary Clinton, the DOJ and the FBI – and God only knows who else.
Yes, it is quite interesting that a photo like this gets out in the public domain to drive a one sided narrative.
Yes and now lets define “interesting” in proper context ( a little lesson in psyops) to see if we can determine the true meaning behind it.
Lets break it down into data points
Staged – unless the initial baseline scene photos ( taken to defend against claims of tampering to show what the scene actually looked like prior to the search) show this “pile” as sitting then it was certainly staged.
Faked (Different than staged because “real” documents can be staged too)- there are 2 assumptions here:
The documents in view are generic and fabricated
The documents in view are “disguised” (oriented, covered, generic etc.) in a way that they cannot be recognized or verified to any parent document register or otherwise certified- in any case this picture is legally worthless and is pure propaganda- nothing more and quite possibly even less.
So, why would the “official” warrant team stage such a faked photo? (They know they cannot show actual documents because that’s a violation and they know they cant show evidence of “declassification” because they cut their own throat)
Here’s a probable reason (pure speculation based on experience and information available in the media drawing a reasonable scenario and subject to change as new info comes available)
I believe they realized early on they were had by Team trump and started planning some form of “exit strategy” to justify what they were up to. (never seen a trophy shot that didn’t have some degree of probative value)
They did this in a hurry with things available on the scene.
They reason is to try to push the typical “picture” ( assumption of proof because pictures don’t lie) in an “appeal to authority” fallacy to sway public opinion that Trump was “caught” and they were “right”.
I believe Trump anticipated that and is why he is goading them so now this picture has backed them into the credibility corner and they are out of ammo.
I was somewhat concerned prior to seeing this but this proves to me that the DOJ realized on the scene they were screwed and walked into a trap.
You know they have nothing because:
No juicy leaks
Trump isn’t arrested ( they want him so bad they wouldn’t wait until after the elections or anything else)
They are trying to stall the special master
I believe at this time they will try to milk the storyline until they are forced to say “for the good of the nation” they will not bring charges.
Yes the Federal GJ can indict Ham Sandwich Trump but all that is is a true bill. A prosecutor still has to build a winnable case then ( taking that shot at the king and not miss) that prosecutor BETTER win it.
Arresting Trump and then LOSING is the worst possible outcome for the left and they will not risk it.
They will not arrest Trump without what they believe is a winnable case.
They now know they don’t have a winnable case. ( and they didn’t get the RICO stuff for that case)
Now, lets see how my scenario plays out.
I’m guessing “Never assume a clever plan when incompetence fits the puzzle far better.”
So put fairly DC-swampy inside the beltway FBI agents in charge of the raid on an ex-president, a task so far above their pay grade as to be in orbit, add in a pinch of “We better get something good or the Big Guy is going to kick us under the bus like so many others,” then have these poor saps find an empty safe and absolutely nothing the fever swamps said they were going to find. Only a bunch of formerly-classified documents that they know aren’t going to do anything in court. So they quickly put together a staged photo to look as bad as possible, putting the Time covers in frame so it would look as if they were stuffed in the same box, and made sure to leak it into the public so if they couldn’t make a legal case, at least they could smear their hated enemy.
Malignant narcissists make lousy agents.
“make” should be “marked”
As you can see from the pictures, there are cover sheets identifying TOP SECRET/SCI material while some documents are obscured by white “redactions.”
Is the material covered with “white” either electronically (after the picture was taken) or simply “white paper” (before the picture was taken?) In either case, if the text, at any time was readable, when did agents who handled the materials complete a Standard Form 86 “QUESTIONNAIRE FOR NATIONAL SECURITY POSITIONS.”
When were each of those questionnaires reviewed and approved?
When were the SF-312 “Classified Information Nondisclosure Agreement(s) completed?
Since the “cover sheets” are visible and other documents are covered by “white redactions” did any agent, at any time, read any of the text? This is so important as most of the cover sheets carry the “SCI” caveat and would require each person who read any of the text to have completed a “SENSITIVE COMPARTMENTED INFORMATION NONDISCLOSURE AGREEMENT.”
Did any of the “recovered” materials have any caveats regarding Special Access Programs and was that information recorded on each agent’s “SENSITIVE COMPARTMENTED INFORMATION NONDISCLOSURE AGREEMENT?”
Did the FBI/DOJ meet the requirements outlined above or were the documents simply considered UNCLASSIFIED by executive action?
“Did the FBI/DOJ meet the requirements outlined above or were the documents simply considered UNCLASSIFIED by executive action?“
The crimes Trump is accused of do not rely on the documents being classified.
As in it makes no difference if the documents were classified or not.
You obviously have no concept, clue or subject matter knowledge of what you are speaking about which is why you suck at what you do.
You need to trot back to Politico and get reclassified
Good catch. jharp is a former denizen of PJ Media back when they didn’t charge for the privilege of responding to their articles. Apparently he’s looking for more free conservative sites in which he can choke up his bile. He’s not interested in discussion or debate.
Too bad this site doesn’t have a “block” feature — it took me a couple of posts to recognize his foul stench because I had him blocked for many moons.
Just a tip from a friendly former PJ Media poster since 2014.
They’ve generated a lot of backlash from people who worked with classification, security, and similar. Random encounters I’m having with folks, mainly with DoD background, they’re *incensed*, and across the L-R spectrum.