Chauvin Trial GUILTY ALL COUNTS!
Sentencing in 8 weeks, state moving for aggravated sentencing above and beyond guidelines
THE VERDICT IS IN. We will cover live
Chauvin sentencing in 8 weeks.
FYI, state has filed Blakely motion for aggravated sentencing, above and beyond guidelines, arguments for that will be heard over next couple of weeks.
Chauvin could have had jury make call on aggravation factors, waived that right, Cahill will make that call.
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GUILTY ALL COUNTS
Count 1. 2nd degree felony murder: GUILTY
Count 2. 3rd degree murder: GUILTY
Count 3. 2nd degree manslaughter: GUILTY
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Cahill unseals verdict, flips through pages. Will read.
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Judge Cahill is seated in courtroom, parties, rising for jury.
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While we wait, DON’T CLOSE THIS WINDOW!, but might want to open up a second browser window, check out post I’d started today before imminent verdict announced:
Chauvin Trial: The Big Lie of the 3-Minute-Plus “Restraint While Pulseless”
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One thing for certain, jury unanimous on whatever decision.
If they had deadlocked on anything, would have informed, judge, judge would have read them whatever Minnesota calls an “Allen Charge” to go back and try harder, and that would have been done publicly in courtroom, and we’d know. That didn’t happen, so no deadlock on any charge.
Either guilty, or not guilty, period, nothing in between.
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Tick-tock, tick-tock …
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Minnesota sentencing guidelines are outside my expertise, but talking heads are saying the recommended sentences for someone with no priors, like Chauvin, would be as follows:
2nd-degree “felony” murder: Recommended 10.5 years (max 40)
3rd-degree “reckless” murder: Recommended 10.5 years (max 25)
2nd-degree manslaughter: Recommended 4 years (max 10) and/or $20k fine
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Chauvin and Nelson reported present at courthouse.
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RE: sentencing, prosecution has notified court earlier that they intend to pursue aggravated sentencing, although I don’t know the details on that. Chauvin had right to have a jury decide on aggravation, or waive that right and have Judge Cahill decide on aggravation, and he opted to waive and have judge decide, assuming there was a guilty verdict at all.
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Very surprised no questions from jury at all, even on causation, suggests didn’t really consider the legal merits.
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Three counts for jury to have considered:
2nd-degree “felony” murder: Max of 40 years
3rd-degree “reckless” murder: Max of 25 years
2nd-degree manslaughter: Max of 10 years and/or $20k fine
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Attorney Andrew Branca here, folks, just waiting for details.
Informed guess given how rapidly the jury has arrived at a verdict is that it will guilty on multiple, or all, counts.
FYI, we’ll be updating info by typing it at top of post, like this, then updating the whole page, so you’ll need to refresh the page on your end to see new content.
UPDATES:
3:15 p.m. Tuesday (/WAJ)
Expecting verdict to be read between 4-5 p.m. Eastern
EARLIER COVERAGE:
This is a “group” post in which primarily Andrew Branca and Prof. Jacobson will post updates as we await a verdict, but other authors may jump in depending who is available when news breaks, including if the jury has questions or there are other court proceedings.
The author of the update will use his/her initials, and the updates will be posted in reverse chronological order, with the most recent at top. (/WAJ)
They are boarding up businesses in … San Francisco … for the “mostly peaceful” protests.
Tuesday 2:50 p.m. (/WAJ)
Ilan Omar has an opinion.
“The case, to me, feels like a closed case” Representative Ilhan Omar gives remarks about the Derek Chauvin Trial this morning in Brooklyn Center, Minnesota #BrooklynCenter #ChauvinTrial pic.twitter.com/3fKCY3IcVX
— Brendan Gutenschwager (@BGOnTheScene) April 20, 2021
Tuesday 12:30 p.m. (/WAJ)
Biden says he’s “praying the verdict is the right verdict” in Chauvin Trial
Tuesday 10:55 a.m. This image tells you everything you need to know about the atmosphere for the trial. (Via this YouTube channel broadcasting live today). (/WAJ)
Tuesday 9:15 a.m. This CBS News report from yesterday is generating a lot of controversy, coming close to doxxing a juror. This is part of the problem of the jurors knowing they will be outed and targeted if there is a not-guilty verdict. (/WAJ)
.@jamieyuccas reports on the makeup of the 14 jurors in the Derek Chauvin trial. At least one of them lives in Brooklyn Center, where Daunte Wright was fatally shot by police last week. https://t.co/QAcai1sXgl pic.twitter.com/CC3QNMjnDn
— CBS News (@CBSNews) April 19, 2021
Tuesday 8:45 a.m. – Jury concluded deliberations at 8 p.m. (Central) last night, return this morning. Minneapolis is boarding up and the Governor has called for more National Guard to be ready. (/WAJ)
[Featured image is a screen capture from video of today’s court proceedings in MN v. Chauvin.]
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honestly, I think the state hasn’t proved even the manslaughter charge beyond a reasonable doubt…
but it is going to be hard for this jury to look beyond that 10 min vid to reach that conclusion
I can see two things happening here:
1 – hung jury on all counts
2 – not guilty on murder 2 and 3 charges, but guilty on 3rd degree assault and 2nd degree manslaughter
#2 being by way of a compromise vote to end the stalemate
I really can’t see how Chauvin can be found guilty on all four unless it is a biased jury
and no way do I see this jury coming back with an acquittal
but that’s just me prediction here
let us wait and see
Or they just vote guilty on everything and then go about their lives. I don’t put much stock in people’s honor.
Honor.
How quaint.
How sad, it seems to be an outdated word these days.
There is no honor in having your buisiness destroyed, family attacked, and your house burned down by a democrat supported, BLM and Antifa terrorist mob.
The second civil war has already begun is upon us…Coming to a neighborhood near you…..probably sooner than later.
Even with an acquittal here come the Feds with a Federal violation of civil rights charge. Like they did to the Rodney King officers.
The Harris administration will not let this go.
I agree with you, and I like to think I would be able to set that all aside if it were me, but I’d be absolutely terrified of being put in this position.
They would need a Twelve Angry Men scenario to just get to a hung jury.
Pauly Shore is our only hope for justice.
looks like you were right, considering how fast that verdict came in
not even a full day of deliberations? seems fishy to me
How can you be guilty on the assault but not the murder? The assault is the predicate felony for the murder charge.
because for the assault charge – the jury only has to find guilt by way of excessive behavior
for any of the murder charges – the jury has to believe the officer’s actions was the principal factor in George Floyd’s death
that’s why the 2nd degree manslaughter here is the most troubling charge Chauvin faces because that threshold is lowered further into the jury only needing to find the officer’s actions to be a contributing factor… and not the main cause
see if the jury comes to the conclusion that Floyd died to a combination of factors such as poor physical health, drug overdose, and stress of situation
then IT could constitute a guilty verdict for the 2nd degree manslaughter, seeing as Floyd’s arrest (albeit a lawful one) ended up with him being pinned down and dying while in the officers’ restraint
the discussion then becomes, how culpable is Chauvin to this turn of events
The 3 charges all contain the same two charging elements – both of which must be proved for Chauvin to be found guilty. Disprove one the elements and the charges disappear
The first element: The Jury must find that Chauvin was committing a felony when Floyd died. Nelson laid out a very convincing argument that Chauvin’s actions would have been viewed as lawful in the eyes of a responsible police officer. As an officer Chauvin was allowed to use force to restrain Floyd and the manner of subdual was in accordance with his training. So no unlawful use of force = no felony committed = charges disappear. They myth that Chauvin had his knee on Floyds neck was dispelled by the autopsy report, the- coroner and witnesses for the state! As ugly as Chauvin’s actions may have appeared they were entirely legal.
The second element is causation. The Jury must find that Chauvin’s actions were the substantial cause of Floyd’s death. Here there is a ton of reasonable doubt. It was not established from the autopsy or expert testimony that Chauvin contributed at all to Floyds death let alone was the main cause. There are just too many other factors to consider. Floyds ingestion of a lethal amount of Fentanyl. Floyds decision to fight 3 officers in an attempt to resist arrest. Floyd’s underlying cardiovascular disease. The Jury also has to consider Floyd might have lived if EMS had arrived in a timely manner and if EMS had not been hampered by the hostile crown in administering immediate aid on arrival. Considering all these factors I don’t see how a juror could find – beyond a reasonable doubt – that Chauvin’s actions were the substantial cause of his death.
Of course you are right but the jury members want to live.
Honestly, I don’t see how he can get a fair trial considering all the jury intimidation!
If the jury doesnt have a quick verdict it will be hung or manslaughter….
Pray for best, prepare for worst
i see a possible acquittal given that the final jury instructions include a part that says Chauvin is not guilty if there is a superseding cause factoring into things.
I’m surprised he hasn’t killed himself
The pressure must be insane
Some people have insane inner strength, especially when they know they are innocent.
Even if a conviction on assault/manslaughter he’d get out with lots of life left to live, assuming he survives prison that is (guessing he would).
The prosecution appeals to the jurors emotions, and the defense keeps trying to get back to the facts of the case. Chauvin didn’t murder Floyd, and had to wait for a very long time for the ambulance to finally arrive.
It needs to be a mistrial. This is not justice. The jurors were not even sequestered over the weekend and surely read about the guy who testified in the trial and had a pig’s head and blood thrown on his porch.
i’ll go a different route, given how poorly state presented its case from day one through today,, maybe they tried to throw the trial so they could start all over again from scratch
The judge refused to poll the jury. That looks a lot like “there is no evidence of jury tampering if I’m not looking for it”.
Also Media is already making threatening moves towards the Jurors. ABC has already announced where one of them lives.
Link?
They said one lived in Brooklyn Center – the judge stated that it was one of the alternates that was dismissed at the end of the trial.
If this is true, whoever is responsible needs to be what I can’t say here.
The judge announced, live, the neighborhood a dismissed juror lives in. That juror will not be involved in the decision and a neighborhood isn’t an address. I don’t see how that’s much of an issue.
…. it might have been Nelson. It was during an exchange between them.
Nelson brought it up to the judge when he asked for a mistrial. The judge said he thought the juror who lived there was one of the alternates. Nelson said he remembered differently and said he’d check his notes. They didn’t resolve that question in front of the cameras. In other words: maybe, but we don’t know for sure. If that juror is part of deliberations, then I’d agree with Nelson that it’s a big problem.
I saw three credible witneses here. The doc who did the actual autopsy and avoided biasing himself by watching any videos, the store clerk who was open and honest, and the ex girlfriend. The evidence is over whelming that there were so many other factors at play in his death, all from his own poor life choices. But i doubt there’ll be a fair result. Hopefully appeal or mis trial the only two outcomes i can see.
he reported an incomplete autopsy, he didn’t have the stomach contents analyzed, he didn’t have the tumor analyzed, He did however testify that he did use cause of death with lower levels of drugs in the system and less heart blockage.
In a case where the alleged victim’s drug use is a point of contention you don’t analyze stomach contents for drugs? Conspicuous avoidance of evidence that the defense could use against you should get your evidence thrown out.
At this point, a truly intelligent person on the jury might just announce that they are going to vote the opposite of the vote of the majority of jurors.
They would then promise to vote in the contrarian position for any and all subsequent votes.
A person’s right of self-preservation outweighs the needs of the justice system, in the circumstance where it is not dispensing actual justice.
If the judge takes deliberate steps NOT to secure my safety, then I would vote for a perpetually hung jury. That way, we just waste resources – rather than let the mob determine what passes for Justice!
Novel approach to jury service in this case…& one I would accept as self-preservation and keeping me safe
Memo to Judge Cahill:
From Foreman of The Jury:
You didn’t do the right thing and declare a mistrial or move the trial because you didn’t want your house burned down. We, the jury, don’t blame you.
We want justice, being exoneration for Chauvin.
But we don’t want our houses burned down either. Clearly the hung jury/mistrial is the way we all get out of this. So lets just drag this out until next Monday for the sake of appearances. Send in some DVDs. I like single malts. The lady over there prefers Boodles gin. Man at the end of the table like Reuben sandwiches.
I’ve seen more of this trial than the jury, so I can’t speak for them. I would however in their position look at four different factors
1 – Were Chauvin’s actions an unlawful use of force. Prior to the point of death (identified by a prosecution witness and not challenged) multiple use of force experts not only provided input that his actions were a reasonable use of force, but at times they agreed he was using less force than he would have been able to justify. For that reason I do not think his actions were unlawful prior to the moment of death, especially when including the distraction caused by traffic and onlookers.
2 – Did Chauvin’s actions cause death. There was no actual evidence at any point that Chauvin, through restraint or otherwise, prevented a flow of blood to Floyd’s brain. There was no actual evidence at any point, through restraint or otherwise, that Chauvin’s actions blocked Floyd’s airway. (There were claims, but no supporting evidence). There was evidence that Chauvin imposed weight on Floyd in a prone (or almost prone) position. There was not credible evidence that this would prevent breathing (and evidence to the contrary).
3 – Did Chauvin intend or recklessly risk harm to Floyd? There is evidence that he intended to use pain as a control mechanism, but that’s a transient harm justified under policy and training. There was no evidence provided that Chauvin intended to cause harm beyond that, and multiple factors suggesting that he was very much intending not to. Multiple use of force experts (including for the prosecution) acknowledged that the techniques he used were appropriate to his training, did not breach policy and did not constitute a lethal use of force. There was evidence submitted that a neck restraint could be considered lethal but it was countered by credible evidence that the extent to which the knee was on the neck did not reach a reckless, let alone lethal level.
Disregarded: Did Chauvin’s actions constitute an unreasonable use of force following the time at which the prosecution witness said he died? I didn’t consider this as it is entirely irrelevant to the three charges, all of which concern his involvement with Floyd’s death, not with his actions following that point.
Not even needed: All that evidence regarding other potential causes of death. The prosecution failed to prove beyond reasonable doubt that Chauvin himself was a cause of death, at which point acquittal doesn’t require any assessment of actual cause of death.
4 – The prosecution were cherry picking and misrepresenting things throughout the case, were belligerent to the defence witnesses and lied multiple times (particularly during closing statements). That tells me they didn’t believe their own case.
So my assessment is that points 2, 3 and 4 result in ‘not guilty’ on the manslaughter charge, with point 1 further demonstrating innocence on the two murder charges. I would acquit.
unfortunately for Mr Chauvin, you are not a juror
the prosecution would have struck you on your IQ alone
I’ve had that happen to me. The prosecutor threw me off a jury (rape trial, I think, they were a vague as to the charges) immediately after I answered “what is your profession” with “engineer”.
Same here. Also an engineer. They were very interested in the fact that I had sued about five different entities in small claims court. Also I knew what an annuity was. Really frightened them. Some automobile accident case.
Good to know, I am also an engineer! Actually recently retired.
I was struck by the defense close noting at the moment of alleged death (via Dr Tobin), the crowd acted up, the nutty Firefighter walked up behind Chauvin and he pulled & armed his OC spray. If indeed that was the critical moment for Floyd, he was unfortunately overshadowed by the belligerent, yammering crowd.
I too was struck from a trial…during voir dire, I was questioned about my time n the military…….defense asked “during your enlistment….”
I interjected “I was an Officer, sir”
“Your honor, this juror is excused”!!
Interestingly, in court-martial cases, if you’re enlisted, you generally want the jury panel to just be composed of officers, not mixed officer/enlisted.
Any wrap up of today’s closing arguments?
https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/04/chauvin-trial-day-15-wrap-up-case-is-in-the-hands-of-the-jury-verdict-watch-begins/
I live in Maryland’s 8th District and am represented by Jamine (Jamie) Ben Raskin. He is noted for being the lead House manager in the most recent impeachment of President Trump, Jan/Feb 2021.
Please see this video on his congressional website where at 4:10 and following, Raskin terms George Floyd’s death as ….”a cold blooded murder.”
Roundtable on Racism in America
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGEovtaeDys&t=214s
Raskin has sat on the House Judiciary Committee for four years. This was posted on June 5, 2020 about ten days after Floyds death and long before we had an autopsy report or the police body cam footage which from my understanding was “leaked” through the UK Daily Mail in August.
So we had Raskin (and perhaps others) leading the rush to judgment w/o ANY facts. Pelosi chimed in a month or so ago and then again recently. And now we have Maxine Waters.
Judge Cahill states that there shouldn’t be a mistrial because….’Maxine isn’t that influential.’ That might be true. But the Speaker of the House and a member of the House Judiciary Committee are VERY, VERY influential. Are there some skeletons in Judge Cahill’s closet that need investigating??? I am sure that with a phone call Jamine Raskin can have the DOJ looking into that if the desired verdict isn’t achieved. Minneapolis need a new bridge? Nancy Pelosi can direct funding for that…..if the proper verdict is reached.
My junior senator, Chris Van Hollen, was one of the 50 or so who dressed up in African garb and “took a knee” in Statuary Hall for 8-9 minutes last June. Again before any of the facts were known.
So I suggest that there is a case that the Democratic party wants a Chauvin conviction, and the facts be damned.
I wrestled for five years in high school. From November-February I would be in a half nelson for at least half an hour cumulative a day with somebody weighing 140 pounds (Chauvin’s actual weight) on me all the while being very physically stressed. Didn’t hurt me a bit. In fact made me stronger. I saw the pictures of Chauvin’s knee on Floyd and thought….that sure looks ugly, but for the life of me I can’t see how that would have hurt Floyd seriously. And I got mountains of strawberries/mat burns which made those the prosecutors showed in closing arguments today look like cream puffs. This case never should have gone to trial. It is a national disgrace.
Meant to add to my comment above:
1) I thought that Eric Nelson did a very solid job. Many have compared him to Atticus Finch. I am sure he is worried about his life and that of his family. God bless him and his family.
2) I thought he screwed up on one point. I would have gladly gone to Minneapolis and laid on the floor in front of the jury from 9:00-4:00 with a 70 pound weight on my neck/shoulder simulating that of Chauvin on Floyd. Theatrics???? Sure. Wouldn’t have hurt me a bit and I would think that by the third day Nelson could have moved for a peremptory judgment with confidence. Ah well. Then I would be the one BLM wanted to kill.
Raskin’s comments would have been raised, if deemed material, prior to the trial and during jury selection. They may be cited in an appeal but it would be improper to use them to declare a mistrial at this stage.
It may well be reasonable to argue that statements made in June last year are not material to a trial in April this year anyway.
(Note that I’m not defending Raskin. I’d have had the House Managers for the farce of a ‘trial’ in the Senate disbarred for gross professional misconduct; fabricating evidence is even worse than Blackwell’s misbehaviour in this trial)
Thanks for your thoughtful reply.
And fabricate evidence Raskin did. A total scandal. I squirm every time he cites Thomas Paine as if he were his reincarnation. Phony ba&*ard who got through college/law school reading the Cliff’S Notes.
You might be correct about the relevance of Raskin’s comments. Do we move the trial to the Hague because he can’t get a fair one in the US? But his comments are against the better conduct of justice. How do we properly discount them. Trying Raskin for whatever will not help Chauvin get justice.
Bernie: Doon’t disparage Cliff’s Notes. I read them at the beginning of a class to give me a broad picture, then studied my @ss off to complete the course. I was second in my graduating class … damn Cliff kept me from being #1. Chuckle.
JimB, Georgetown Law ‘60
How are they influential? Why would a juror give a flying **** what the speaker or some congressmen or even the president think about a case? Any of the talking heads on TV are much more influential on potential jurors than any politician. So are you going to declare a mistrial because Stelter or Lemon or the empty-headed women on the View expressed their stupid opinions?!
The only time a politician sounding off on a defendant can cause a mistrial is when it’s a court martial, and the politician sounding off is the president. Since the jurors are under his command, they can’t help taking his view into account, so there can’t be a fair trial.
the left’s goal is to eliminate the inner city police force or at the very least, have one that is populated by Stephen Broderick types.
they have already accomplish what they wanted in this trial. They will either eliminate the good cops or render them useless
No good man is going to be a cop anymore
I thought it was quaint that the judge stated in his denial of a change of venue
“you’re gonna be railroaded wherever you go in this state, so it might as well be here”
The jurors did not ask one question during deliberations nor request specific evidence to review: nothing. It looks like they have been united all along. At least one verdict will be “guilty.” At least.
Well, isn’t it true? What would have been the point of changing the venue? And you need a very strong argument to do so.
Racial agitators have surrounded the courthouse
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJKTcsuJXeI
Is the jury deliberating while this is happening?
I believe so.
I started watching, but I felt my IQ dropping, so I chunked it.
Nothing says “fair trial” like professional agitators whipping up a mob! :-p
Just want to tell you I like your screen name. It’s fabulous.
If the jury can’t come to decision quickly and there is a lot of rioting, I can’t see how the judge cannot declare a mistrial
after this fiasco, the MPD wont be able to arrest anyone but dead people
and why the F should they ?
There’s a lot less paperwork that way.
My husband is a police officer and they are no longer proactively driving around patrolling and just answer calls when they come in…so a lot less preventative unfortunately
Not only does “BLM” not save black lives they are costing black lives by undermining law enforcement where it is needed the most.
Judge Cahill’s jury instructions:
https://babylonbee.com/news/judge-asks-jurors-to-disregard-maxine-waters-as-she-pours-gasoline-on-their-heads
Schleicher is one clever prosecutor:
https://babylonbee.com/news/in-closing-argument-prosecutor-tearfully-addresses-each-juror-by-name-phone-number-and-street-address
Lol. Love the Babylon bee.
They are the best.
Off topic but shows just how ridiculous America has become
I want to move to a very spare land
I don’t like people anymore
https://spectator.org/nasa-moon-walk-gender-race/
I moved to a 99.99% “white” country with no mosques….Slovakia.
More than enough reasonable doubt to acquit. Will the jury have the intestinal fortitude to acquit? We shall see. Riots and hate continues regardless of verdict.
CNN is reporting that the jurors deliberated four hour before going home. It is safe to assume that there was at least one vote and it was not for the prosecution.
Before going home? Thought they were sequestered?
No, defense wanted, judge denied.
The defense requested sequestration for last week due to duante. But the judge decided to sequester the jury once they started deliberations. Had the deputies take them to some unknown location.
The jury – four white women, two white men, three Black men, one Black woman and two multiracial women – began deliberations at 4 p.m. CDT (2100 GMT) on Monday and adjourned for the day at 8 p.m. Jurors will be sequestered throughout the deliberations.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/reuters/article-9489565/The-task-jury-deciding-case-against-Derek-Chauvin.html
Four white women–well, there you have the verdict in a nutshell.
Having been on a jury with 10 women…….
Yep. Chauvin is toast but this has “overturned on appeal” written all over it
Nelson’s transition from Cahill’s opinion on the Waters comment to “motion denied” is worthy of replay
Just FYI. Maxine, why do you smell like kerosene?
Massive Fire at Church in Northeast Minneapolis 10 Minutes From George Floyd Protest Downtown (VIDEO)
By Cristina Laila
Published April 19, 2021 at 8:43pm
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https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/04/massive-fire-church-northeast-minneapolis-10-minutes-george-floyd-protest-downtown-video/
All the church members they photographed were white. I assume that’s why this particular church got burned.
Do we have a “wrap” post for the closing arguments day?
https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/04/chauvin-trial-day-15-wrap-up-case-is-in-the-hands-of-the-jury-verdict-watch-begins/
The judge’s notion that ordering the jury to “avoid watching the news” would insulate them from outside influence is ludicrous. Watching non-news programming doesn’t avoid commercial brake news updates. Juror cell phone, computer and email feeds and notices would not preclude exposure to outside influence. Returning home from the trial each day would indicate something significant was at hand regarding their part in it all. Nelson’s reference to the modern nature of information dissemination can only be an understatement.
They don’t have to watch TV to see the lynch mobs outside the court house.
I think you’d have to be somewhat dim to buy the prosecution’s tales. But these are people raised in a generation that can’t even tell a man from a woman, so we’ll see.
Trayvon Martin family attorney calling for violence
https://twitter.com/NatJackTweets/status/1384301074434060288
I have a question about the Jury’s reactions during the trial. How did they seem to be reacting to counsel? Did they warm up to either side? Or was it impossible to see that due to the circumstances?
State of Minnesota has requested extra police from out of state. Ohio sent 100 state troopers, nebraska also sending 28 troopers
Personally, I think you would have to be a COMPLETE MORON if you’re an out-of-state LEO who agreed to work in MN with the cop-hating executive branch they currently have. The only way I would agree is if I had an iron-clad indemnification from prosecution, which likely isn’t even possible even if MN agreed to do it.
After a cop was charged with murder when a DUI suspect resisted arrest, wrestled a taser away and fired it at a cop resulting in the other cop returning fire, local PDs refused mutual assistance calls in the city because their cops said they weren’t going to subject themselves to their crazy city of Atlanta prosecutor.
Any news on who the foreperson is?
that won;t be made public until the jury makes it final call unless somebody leaks it
Foreperson? Really?
This will be an important verdict. Not just for Minneapolis, or America, but for all peoplekind.
it means foreman.
“Foreperson” is species-ist!!
foreman
“The author of the update will use his/her initials …”
Er are fuzzy slippers gendered? 😛
Was there any other items of interest from the blood scan results that were not included in the record until Baker remembered “Oh yeah, blood panel is SOP.”
But for Floyds resisting arrest and other criminal behavior, he would still be alive. Not Guilty.
I believe the jury will find Chauvin guilty to protect themselves from the mob, rather than based on the merits of the case. I dare them to prove me wrong.
In the meantime…
https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/stacey-lennox/2021/04/19/minneapolis-city-council-seeks-to-ensure-the-city-will-burn-by-signaling-they-wish-to-cripple-police-response-n1440964
Is it solely up to the judge’s discretion to declare a mis-trial?
I would cut a deal – Chauvin guilty but we never have to hear Jerry Blackwell speak ever again
Guilty of what?
Hurting feelz
Oh, what was I thinking…
“Concluded deliberations” is ambiguous. Concluded for the day, or concluded?
Also, “return this morning”.. return to deliberations, or return a verdict?
The verdict (which will not be an acquittal, some of these jurors went in already locked as “guilty”, I guarantee) – cannot by legitimate nor fair by definition because of:
1.) Last year’s riots
2.) Riots ongoing now
3.) Threat of MASSIVE new riots if “not guilty” is the verdict
4.) Maxine Waters
5.) Mayor Jacob Frey’s comments
6.) Blood and pig’s head at defense witness Barry Brod’s former residence
7.) Racial climate in the country
8.) Failure to change venue of trial
9.) Failure to exclude more jurors for cause
10.) Failure to sequester jury the whole time
Was the “Tuesday 9:15 p.m” update posted by your Anzac correspondent? 🙂
I’d love to know the prosecutors’ reactions to Blackwell’s rebuttal behind the scenes (given that he is not a real prosecutor and brought in to work on this case). It was risky to blatantly lie and attempt to mislead the jury about Nelson’s closing statement since Nelson seems to have established good will with the jury and had already suggested the state was purposely trying to mislead them. That may help with an acquittal. But beyond that, even if they get a conviction, his misconduct may lead to a reversal. Are they pleased with how he conducted himself, or are they upset and concerned?
They were likely high fiving in the back congratulating eachother how they got the rebuttal in without an outright mistrial.
Sadly, you’re probably right.
Regarding causation: It would seem that the death of GF was analogous to the sudden death incidents which occur during a marathon. See: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3484937/
The stress of the “environment” of running 26.2 miles [viz. GF: resisting arrest, subdual restraint, etc.] would be a precipitating cause that is necessary but not sufficient to result in an acute cardiac event [i.e, arrhythmia] and sudden death. The majority of marathoners do not suffer such an even absent the underlying substrate of cardiac disease. Therefore, it would seem reasonable to conclude that an individual in the “environment” of 5/25/2020 without the demonstrable post-mortem findings of underlying cardiac disease [not to mention the other possible associated causes referenced both by the forensic pathologist {Dr. Baker} and the defense] would not have succumbed. This thesis seems c/w scenario # 2, above.
I have, unfortunately, witnessed that kind of thing before. Older fellow Air National Guard member dropped during a run. Probably dead before he hit the ground. Like Floyd (and Sicknick for that matter), probably brought on by the physical stress but the actual cause was underlying medical conditions.
Lots of whining on Twitter that the jury did not return a verdict yet with the usual nonsense refrain of “we all saw the video”
Would be interesting if the jury returned a verdict of 3rd degree and then the Noor case got reversed.
This actually my hope if he is convicted on any charge. Nelson made the argument in court that a knee isn’t an inherently dangerous weapon upon the public and I agree with him. It’s not like firing a gun indiscriminately or driving while intoxicated.
“Jury concluded deliberations at 8 p.m. (Central) last night”
That’s confusing. Makes it sound like they have reached a verdict. What is meant? Who’s reporting that 8pm?
Could just be that they concluded deliberations for the night.
I feel sympathy for the jurors. Any who vote “not guilty” are likely to be doxxed, harassed, and assaulted by BLM and Antifa. Within a week of the verdict, I expect one or more news outlets to publish information like the following:
“Jane Doe, one of the jurors who voted to exonerate Chauvin, lives at 742 Evergreen Terrace in Minneapolis with her husband John and their three children Moe, Larry, and Curly. Jane’s social security number is 555-55-5555, and their telephone number is 555-555-5555. They keep a front door key under the Welcome mat, and 10-year-old Curly’s Facebook page uses CurlyDoe as his password. Please do not use this information to harass the Doe family.”
Red State is reporting that the Minneapolis Star Tribune has published the biographical information of all fourteen jurors, noting which have been dismissed at the start of deliberations. While not including names, all else included in their Juror Questionnaires has apparently been included – more than ample information for anyone intent on doxxing to easily determine who the jurors actually are. Age, race, city of residence, one noted a relative works on a certain police department, etc.
“The people have a right to know!:
That is goddamn irresponsible behavior on behalf of the paper.
Disgusting. MFM delenda est.
So is there a formula for the probability of acquittal or mistrial as a function of time in deliberation?
I think in this case, where the odds of full acquittal is extremely slim, the longer the better. The longer they go the more likely a hung Jury and the higher likelihood that the judge accepts the fact that the jury cannot come to a full verdict.
I should point out I have no legal experience and this is strictly a layman’s opinion.
Its still super early. Give it a few days before even thinking hung jury
Yah, I was going to add that after my replay. In my mind you need to get past 2 or 3 days. Also there are multiple counts to consider with the instructions that are very confusing. It could be at this point they have guilt but don’t know of what.
yes.
the longer it goes the better chance of an acquittal or finding of guilt.
also:
the quicker it goes the better chance of an acquittal or finding of guilt.
Rep Waters has mouthed off yet again accusing the GOP of using her comments to raise money from the KKK. I guess Judge Cahill will have to offer up some more of that tough talk we saw during closing arguments. This time it’s really gonna work.
As did Ilhan.
Chauvin did the exact same thing for twice as long in 2017 and nothing happened,
If he did it for 17 minutes in 2017 and nothing happened, how would he be on notice that a knee for half that amount of time is inherently dangerous?
https://www.mprnews.org/story/2020/11/18/prosecutors-14yearold-boy-cried-mom-as-chauvin-knelt-on-his-back-for-17-minutes
Not to mention the 14-yo boy was probably half the size of GF.
I listened to the interview with Mr. Branca on Glenn Beck’s radio show and learned a few things I had missed here. Great work on summing up the prosecution’s ploy on a civil track versus criminal track. Thank you for all the work.
Dementia Patient Joe just said he is praying for the “right” verdict.
Is that finally enough for a mistrial?
https://thepostmillennial.com/breaking-president-biden-says-hes-praying-for-the-right-verdict-in-the-derek-chauvin-trial
I thought he has dementia so bad that he does not know how to pray and to remember what he was praying for. He’ll never understand what the right verdict should be.
When Dementia Joe says he is praying, it means he is reading from a card and the card says, “I am praying.”
stolen from another board
Maybe he was just discussing the things they have in common. Things like raising a drug addict child
Corrupt families all belong to a corrupt entity.
There is a certain irony in the key purveyor of the myth of Saint George of Minneapolis is named Felonius (although spelled differently)
The one who played jazz piano?
And Floyd’s mother was named Larcenia. Reminiscent of larceny. Naming people after crimes? Unintentional irony?
yeah, her sister’s are Prostitulia and Assaultiria
“We know that God does not listen to sinners, but if any one is a worshiper of God and does his will, God listens to him.”
Jn 9:31
“The LORD is far from the wicked, but he hears the prayer of the righteous.” Prov 15:29
“When you spread forth your hands, I will hide my eyes from you; even though you make many prayers, I will not listen; your hands are full of blood.”
Is 1:15
glad someone corrected the pm in last few posts, thought we had a time jump LOL
More potential reasons for a mistrial over jury intimidation.
Now lunatic Ilhan Omar is in the street with numerous reporters declaring that a guilty verdict is open and shut,
“The case, to me, feels like a closed case,” says Rep. Ilhan Omar on the Chauvin trial
https://twitter.com/DailyCaller/status/1384562490365906948
And said lunatic surely feels as if she is being true to “justice.”
Hell, in Mogadishu they would have just put an AK round in the back of Chauvin’s head.
I am curious…after watching and hearing the prosecutorial misconduct in this trial (the discovery mess, the Tobin re-direct, the rebuttal during closing arguments, etc.), and knowing nothing about the appeals process in Minnesota, what are the actual chances of a guilty verdict on anything being reversed or overturned based on those actions? (Vice the Maxine Waters, Jacob Frey, Joe Biden comments, etc which I think could be considered as possible jury tampering.)
The chance that the appeals court or the MN SC reversing is practically zero.
While I think no single event reached the level of trial misconduct, the accumulated amount of prosecution misconduct, definitely warrants misconduct. along with the outside agitation warrants mistrial with prejudice.
Yep. Zero, the MN courts are not only super woke/liberal, they are amazingly corrupt.
also add into the mix, the announcement of a 27 million dollar pay off just before the trial began
Now Maxine Waters is mouthing off at the judge,
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/waters-says-her-words-dont-matter-after-chauvin-judge-say-comments-could-bolster-appeal
After Mad Maxine’s furious blunder Judge Cahill asked that elected officials not to get involved or to say anything to influence the jury because it could result in a mistrial. In response, the President of the United States publicly called for a guilty verdict in the case.
If the theory is that GF was lawfully restrained up until the moment he stopped breathing but not after, then how can DC be guilty of anything? There’s certainly no guarantee that CF could have been resuscitated had DC immediately performed CPR or turned him over or stopped restraining him. The restraint is moot at that point because GF died while being lawfully restrained. That’s reasonable doubt right there.
It just doesn’t seem to me that the prosecution adequately identified any particular moment at which the force went from reasonable to excessive.
Their blunder, they brought in multiple ‘experts’ who said no force was reasonable.. which is obviously ridiculous
I agree with those experts. Chauvin must never have heard of trayvon martin, michael brown, , freddie gray, eric garner, jamar clark, ahmaud arbery, rayshard brooks, etc.
Leave them be.
Is the jury totally cut off from all media by having phones/radio and TV removed from them or are they merely told not to look at the News/Twitter/Social media and messages from the outside? Humans being humans are known to disobey requests! Would it be legal to demand to see all media activity if they are allowed to keep their phones/laptops to see if Biden’s comments were seen by them?
I think they are going to be on The View tomorrow
that’s OK, right ?
I’m sorry, I don’t understand what you mean. Are they cut off from all communications or not? Your answer doesn’t clarify.
I think it is a joke.
Oh, right, thanks. I’m from Scotland and I think that joke went over my head. I guess he meant the jury aren’t properly isolated from outside information then. I had to Google The View to understand so thanks for letting me know.
Sleepy Joe says evidence of guilt is overwhelming
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9491069/Biden-called-George-Floyds-brother-Philonise-Derek-Chauvin-jury-sent-Minneapolis.html?ito=social-twitter_dailymailus
I would say that if they convict on felony murder, that conviction would have a good possibility of being overturned later on down the line, seems to be a misuse of the statute in this case. My most likely outcomes are either manslaughter and/or felony murder or a much lesser possibility of a hung jury. Jury should prepare for a long detainment as the judge will keep sending them back for further deliberations.
This jury will convict him. It is a woke jury and they are terrified. Any Leo who remains on the job in Minnesota is asking for it. BLM will prolly have a celebration riot and looting party.
I was a beat cop for a few years. If I were still one, I would be handing in my shield.
I would just collect my pay while seeing and hearing nothing.
I don’t know what it is called, but does Minnesota have the concept where if the jury declared themselves as a hung jury that each juror has to say their individual verdict? That could be very dangerous in case of doxxing.
I’d be more worried about my fellow jurors! There was a case recently where a juror decided she wasn’t happy with the outcome and got her fellow jurors doxxed. Wish I could remember it.
Day 14 “blood gas measurements had indicated that Floyd’s blood had O (O2) levels of 98%”
So GF is the first man in the world to choke on blood with a saturation of 98%. It’s not a trial, it’s an attempted lynching
Nelson mentioned in the closing statement for the defence that the 98% O2 level was a measurement in the hospital after extensive efforts to oxygenate his blood to revive him, and that relying on that measurement to understand his state at death would be intellectually dishonest.
The prosecution relied on that measurement to make claims about his death.
True, I missed it. Thanks for paying attention.
We must believe that the massage of the flaccid heart will allow for saturation of 98% O2 (two circuits, 4 chambers, 4 valves, no control).
a couple rules of life apply here
#1 stay away from losers, they will implode at sometime
#2 acquire the ability and means to stay away from losers, when they blow someone other than them will be blamed
whether it’s his fault or not, Chauvin broke both rules.
Unfortunately for cops, they deal with losers on a daily basis.
The judge could be influenced by Biden.
The jury are talking to family on the phone. If the judge stopped that now they will wonder what catastrophe has occurred.
Seriously? They can’t be allowed access to family/friends/outsiders whilst sequestered surely?! I mean – ‘Hey, the President says he’s guilty’ says friend: how are they supposed to respond to that? This would be faux-sequestration. And easily jury tampering in that case, I can’t believe any court would allow that. The jury need to be isolated from all outside opinions!
https://babylonbee.com/news/in-closing-argument-prosecutor-tearfully-addresses-each-juror-by-name-phone-number-and-street-address
I wonder if President Biden will call each juror individually, and then their families, to let them know he really understands the weight on their shoulders right now to produce the right guilty verdict.
Shocking they’ve only been deliberating a day. Normally, I would say that means innocent. But, this isn’t normal. I have no idea…but I predict Minneapolis burns either way.
With no questions and a verdict this soon, they bought into the emotion. Guilty on all counts.
Zimmerman jury was out for 3 hours? Though the jury agreeing on any verdict means it’s probably guilty.
Off the top, I believe the Zimmerman jury was out for 16 hours.
with so much evidence presented in this case, it appears to me that the jury pool did not spend much time reviewing it and discussing it
got a feeling it’s not guilty across the board
I wish I shared your feeling. I have a sense of doom about this early decision.
My gut says guilty on something because if it were not guilty across the board, wouldn’t they feel safer waiting until tomorrow morning to announce instead of just before close of business today?
I don’t think the jury are that brave. I’ll apologise if I misjudged them though.
I wonder if it’s guilty as they are announcing it late in the day and the riots start during the dark and they’re hoping ‘Biden’s verdict’ will stop the rioters. If it was innocent they postpone until tomorrow morning to get enough forces in to stop the rioting and burning after dark?
I feel you… it beggars disbelief that not a single juror had any problems with the claims as presented by the state and needed to be convinced of the state’s righteousness, but I can’t bring myself to actually believe it.
my guess is first vote 8-4 not guilty and nothing changed this morning, so the holdouts caved
I’m thinking either guilty on all counts or innocent on all counts. If feel “manslaughter” would only occur if there were arguments among the jurors and they ‘settled’ on that one.
Supposedly we have a verdict today.
Not a good sign that it’s so fast. Looks like the jury took the coward’s way out.
Probably guilty if it came back this quick.
That’s what I was thinking as well. I’d imagine some jurors wanted a conviction and would have taken time to be convinced to NOT convict him.
if they vote guilty, the good people will pay, for policing in Minneapolis will cease.
at best, the police will sit in their cars and watch, at worst they will quit en masse
looks like Stephen Broderick will have a job opportunity when he gets thru doing his stretch in the big house
The joke is that if guilty it will be appealed straight away and more than enough evidence of mistrial so we can have another riot! Do they think this is going away? Appease the lynch mobs and you just get more lynch mobs!
A verdict this quickly? Chauvin’s done. And the American justice system is done in. Not because I necessarily believe Chauvin is guiltless, but because everything screams that there was no way he could get a fair trial in that environment. The judge sort of gave the jury a get out of jail free card by saying the outcome could be overturned on appeal, due to Maxine Waters comments. Plus, no change of venue, possible prosecutorial misconduct, and the sword of mob justice hanging over the head of every juror.
Now IF the verdict is “not guilty,” and I highly doubt it is, but If it is, then there will be destruction for the ages.
I don’t recall seeing this level of jury intimidation before
I’m not sure what happened to my post 20 minutes ago. However, it’s noteworthy that the jury did not make any requests of the court during deliberations, whether for supplies or a piece of evidence. That is unusual It demonstrates they were united all along, no disagreements. The best hope is for “guilty” on manslaughter only but I sense they went for a murder conviction.
They had a laptop with all the videos in it. So at least they had the videos.
I agree with Mr. Branca that the speed of the deliberation means guilty…on various counts. I think they knew before they began deliberating what they would do.
I remember another quick verdict where I thought the verdict would be guilty and I was very wrong…the OJ Simpson case. But this one is different because those jurors know what will happen if they acquit. They are the the jurors in the Tom Robinson trial (To Kill A Mockingbird)
This is a sham. To avoid Biden being impeached the jury had been rushed to judgement.
So assuming guilty, when does sentencing happen?
I know there has been reporting there was no questions, I wonder if that is the case or due to the covid restrictions and the questions being handled by Zoom, if the reporters have missed the cues they would get in a non covid trial?
there were no questions*
Maurise Hall is in Downtown Minneapolis giving interviews to the local media, what a joke.
And making sales.
If anyone besides Floyd is responsible for his demise, it is his supplier and suppository-inserter, Mr. Morries Hall who is only too glad to see a cop take the rap and go to prison in his place.
They had a verdict at voir dire.
Verdict too quick
No questions from jury
Means guilty on all counts
They can’t find guilt on all counts. If he’s guilty on 2nd degree, then the subordinate charges become moot.
The state can’t sentence the same person for the same crime on three charges: Murder, 2nd Degree murder and manslaughter on all charges.
Based on how this whole thing has been going, the jury probably found him guilty on all counts because why not? Haven’t you seen the video, it was horrible and GF was an angel fallen from heaven. I realize legally it is impossible, but the whole legal process seems like a huge farce at this point anyway.
If I was a cop in Minneapolis, you couldn’t pay me enough to go out there tonight.
If I was a cop in Minnesota, I would resign and get out of the state. They made a mistake by staying after Noor.
I’d really like to know what they deliberated on and how strongly. It would appear that whatever opinion they walked into the trial holding they held onto at the end. I’d be very surprised if a “not guilty” verdict is delivered on any of the charges, the trial was anything but fair.
If Judge Cahill had the necessary courage, he would vacate any guilty verdict and order a new trial. He knows that if this trial is allowed to stand as being fairly conducted, our Rule of Law and Due Process are hopelessly dead.
You can probably count on one hand the number of times a criminal court judge vacates a jury verdict in any given year…maybe decade. It really only happens in works of fiction. Instead, trial judges let appellate courts earn their salaries.
My comment is directed mostly at Judge Cahill. He never struck me as having the courage to follow up on any of the numerous issues that called for a mistrial. He never wanted to make that call, his job was to get this case to a verdict, even if it meant fairness was violated.
Happened to my brother in a $28 million jury award in a civil case. Jusge post verdict jmol’d it. Ultimately went to mn Supreme Court and booted back to new trial this fall.
Hennepin County Court is straight up corrupt, as are our appellate courts. Not conjecture. I have 1,000s of pages of internal docs and I am currently suing them in federal court.
If I had to make a bet
Some wishy washy charge guilty but nothing like murder
The governor should issue a pardon tonight.
Not a chance in the world.
Not saying he will. Just saying he should.
Oh, I know. This whole thing is just so sickening. I am FAR from a Back the Blue type, but even I acknowledge this being a show trial. Cahill might consider a name change. Freisler.
“The case, to me, feels like a closed case” Representative Ilhan Omar
___________
Further proof, if any were needed, that she’s a nitwit. A “closed case?”
Oh, and by the way, we’re interested in thoughts, not feelings, OK?
Thoughts? Like getting blood from a stone.
No fair trial is possible with this level of jury intimidation
A little bit of a question
Did the defense make a mistake by not playing the portion of the tape that started before Chavin’s knee was on Floyd?
Yes
Talbert Swan calling for violence
https://twitter.com/TalbertSwan/status/1384521762734493700
Wouldn’t it be something if some jurors caved thinking it would stop rioting and it all burns anyway.
The verdict could be 1st degree with immediate drawing and quartering on the courthouse steps. The savages would stil riot, loot, burn, and maim, but as a celebration.
Anyone know yet what means Branca and the other dude are using to live react? Is it going to be streaming on YouTube, or?
I thought he would be using Parler.
Lawyers are saying this isn’t a good sign… I appreciate your input.. I am not feeling warm and fuzzy now.
I never thought this would be a real trial.. Nope…