Nikki Haley Bashes Trump, Then Seeks Meeting With Him. Request Denied.
It seems it’s Haley, not Trump, who has “lost any sort of political viability”
Former governor of South Carolina and former U.S. ambassador to the UN Nikki Haley recently noted that she is “disgusted” by President Trump and observed that he has no future in the GOP. This appears to have been an ill-considered, tone-deaf attempt to wrestle the mantle of party leader from Trump.
But a funny thing happened on the way to Haley being anointed leader of the Republican Party. The GOP base concluded that she is of the Mittens McRomneyCare and Liz let’s bomb some place and tweet ‘responsibly’ Cheney wing of the party that seeks a return to the Republican progressive neo-con glory days of yore.
Even Haley, with her hopelessly awful political instincts, seemed to understand that she had dealt a potentially fatal blow not to Trump but to her own goal of becoming president.
She rushed to conduct damage control in an article published in the Wall Street Journal, but it was an embarrassing and garbled mess of fence-straddling gibberish.
From Haley’s Wall Street Journal plea:
But the liberal media doesn’t care about that. It wants to stoke a nonstop Republican civil war. The media playbook starts with the demand that everyone pick sides about Donald Trump —either love or hate everything about him. The moment anyone on the right offers the slightest criticism of the 45th president, the media goes berserk: Republicans are trying to have it both ways! It’s a calculated strategy to pit conservatives against one another. It’s also a ridiculous false choice. Real life is never that simple. Someone can do both good and bad things.
People feel strongly about Mr. Trump, but we can acknowledge reality. People on the left, if they’re honest, can find Trump accomplishments they like—a coronavirus vaccine in record time, Middle East peace, more accountability from China. People on the right can find fault with Trump actions, including on Jan. 6. Right or left, when people make these distinctions, they’re not trying to have it both ways. They’re using their brains.
. . . . We can’t go back to the pre-Trump GOP. Those days are over, and they should be. But we lost our majorities in the House and Senate, and we’ve lost the national popular vote in seven of the past eight presidential elections. Surely there’s room for improvement as a party. We should embrace the successes of the Trump presidency and recognize the need to attract more support.
. . . . Here’s my take: Most of Mr. Trump’s major policies were outstanding and made America stronger, safer and more prosperous. Many of his actions since the election were wrong and will be judged harshly by history. That’s not a contradiction. It’s common sense.
. . . . Trump brought millions of new voters into the Republican Party, for which he deserves great credit, but the party also lost millions of voters.
These are facts. Admitting them, even when it hurts, is the only way to achieve progress. Denying them and dismissing those who disagree with you on even one thing is a surefire way to go backward. That’s true for Republicans who demand people praise everything Mr. Trump did. It’s just as true for liberals who demand everyone hate everything he did.
Haley, perhaps thinking this wishy-washy pablum would ingratiate her to Trump, is reported to have reached out to the, to use her own term, “fallen too far” Trump for a meeting. He declined her request.
Former President Trump this week declined to meet with Nikki Haley, his former ambassador to the United Nations and a prospective 2024 presidential candidate, according to a source familiar with the matter.
Politico first reported that Haley reached out to Trump on Wednesday to request a face-to-face meeting at his Mar-a-Lago resort. But Trump turned her down after Haley has spent recent weeks criticizing the former president for his role in the Jan. 6 Capitol riot.
Perhaps it is Haley, not Trump, who “lost any sort of political viability [s]he was going to have”?
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Haley, fading out into obscurity.
Trump did NOTHING wrong regarding the 6th.
The lesson of 1/6 is that conservatives can no longer have a large gathering of people without it being sabotaged by leftists and crazies, and then leveraged by the fake news media while Big Tech censors the truth.
/Truth
Gun owners are relentlessly taught: never pull out a gun unless you are already justified in using it, and then use it. That is the lesson conservatives should take from January 6.
If conservatives mass up to make a political point, it will happen only once more, and that point will get made.
Too bad, socialists, but you made the rules here.
Could you explain what “Too bad, socialists, but you made the rules here.” means exactly?
If it means what I think it does let me debunk you first ethically than pragmatically.
1. Rioting is wrong. You are not justified in doing it period. No if’s ands or buts you are not justified rioting. In case you didn’t notice we aren’t a party that backs riots.
2. If the press had been neutral or Republican the BLM riots would have cost Biden the election.
Media however are Democrat operatives. Take a guess how rioting would go? It was obvious to anyone who had any degree of sanity. Rioting to get what you want causes backlash; always. Media prevented that backlash from destroying Joe Biden. Anyone who thought the Media would do the same for Republicans was even more insane than Caligula.
The “they are worst therefore we must fight fire with fire” argument from the proud boys is a horrible one, it helps Democrats win elections while undermining our case against Democrats as we make it. It is ethically abominable to.
The “they are worst therefore we must fight fire with fire” argument from the proud boys is a horrible one”
So why didn’t ANTIFA and BLM undermine Biden? Both are bullies, and bullies understand one thing, personal pain. Gangs of bullies, especially those who hide behind masks, are collectively responsible and anyone of them a fair target for retribution. Such retribution should be at least an order of magnitude greater.
Thomas Jefferson just rolled his eyes at you.
Yes, rioting is wrong, and ineffective
A friend tells me renting a car in the wrong part of Spain, and then visiting. His host implored him to bring the car into a storage area, behind closed doors. That night, all the cars from the part of Spain the rental was from were fire bombed. Something to do with the Basques or something. Very pointed violence is much more effective than random riot violence.
Nice business you got there.
According to you Danny BOY the signers of the Declaration of Independence were rioters and were wrong.
I would add, if you have to shoot someone, make sure the job is done right. All the TV stuff of wounding someone who is trying to kill is BS.
A close family member learned that bitter lesson. If nothing else, don’t leave a witness. Then alsp DON’T TALK TO THE COPS until you have counsel.
The BIGGER lesson is: WHO CARES what the media says about ANYTHING we do?
Notice Trump’s ratings have gone UP. Forget the media – ignore it, and ignore anyone who regurgitates it to you.
The Dems/Marxists are trying to use 1/6 to deny Trump supporters the right to peacefully assemble, politically organize, and exercise their right of free speech.
They are using NeverTrump grifters and GOPe/RINO Quislings to claim this is not a partisan effort.
Haley outed herself as one of the Quislings.
Utterly and completely ridiculous comments.
Honestly, I’m not even going to bother to point out the obvious here.
It’s interesting how establishment politicians think. Just ignore all the derogatory rhetoric and public denouncements. It’s time to mend fences and work together. That only works if you have something to bring to the table. Haley can’t offer Trump anything he doesn’t already have. She brings nothing to the table.
Unity, baboonity.
I liked what was in the link, but, a warning to others: once you click that link, back-clicking will not bring you back here. The site “freezes” you to their page. Use “open in new tab”.
How are Nikki Haley and Halley’s Comment the same? Both briefly shine once in a lifetime and then fade away never to be seen again.
the political class is outing themselves. Nice to know who can avoid voting for.
who WE can avoid voting for
She overplayed her hand. I was getting fundraising emails shortly after the election. I thought that was pretty tone deaf. She sealed the deal with this.
For me, she was done when she, as SC gov, took an appeasing knee on the Confederate flag and statues. EVERYONE was warning it wouldn’t stop there, but witless wonder Nikki Haley knew better. And now, of course, every statue is under siege: Washington, Lincoln, even those installed and paid for by former slaves to HONOR the end of slavery.
Appeasement is always wrong, and it never produces positive results (except for those appeased because they always demand–and get–more). Anyone who doesn’t get that simple truth is not presidential material in my book.
This latest clusterfrack just reinforced my already poor opinion of her.
This is exactly why the universities and colleges are toast. They thought the left would be satisfied with a few compromises.
Out of curiosity what would it take for you to support her?
I’m asking because you have good reason to have gone off her but there are plenty of bad options in the Republican party right now.
In case anyone hasn’t notice, it’s clear “Danny” is an agent from the other side.
Wow. Perhaps he isn’t nearly as siloed as you and some of the other folks here. This isn’t an echo chamber yet but it’s well on the way.
“Wow”
Surprised? Why?
When someone shows up to offer left wing commentary to everything it’s pretty clear what they are.
What are you?
Danny
The expression is “I am asking for a friend…”
Not “I am asking because….”
Style points count around here, pay attention to details.
That ship sailed with her appeasement of the left over Confederate flag/statues. There’s no way a Chamberlain becomes a Churchill, and no Chamberlain can earn my support.
Thank you. She didn’t show herself to be a fighter here either she yielded as soon as challenged on her position.
Agreed. My take is she’s fake to her core, a Romney zombie weather vane responding to polls or political pressure or some random thought that flits through her empty head. I have no idea who she is or what, if anything, she believes. And I do not care. Haley is not someone I can support for president.
But this is moot. She just burned her bridges on an ill-conceived political gamble, and she lost. She is done. By 2028, she will have been out of office for ten years. A has-been neocon progressive the base will reject as profoundly as they did Jeb!
Haley’s comet has fizzled out.
Haley was on fire at the UN, but it seems to have gone to her head.
She made the mistake of biting the hand that fed her, now it is tough shit.
I think that is overly harsh. Lindsey Graham said “Count me out,” in a speech on the Senate floor after Jan 6, adding he was sad to see his journey with Trump end this way. In an interview two days later, Graham said “he’d never been so humiliated and embarrassed for the country” and spoke in palpable frustration over how his longtime ally handled the riot. Yet, RINO Graham has been in touch with Trump almost daily and will be golfing with him this weekend. Trump can get his butt off his shoulders as far as I’m concerned.
We’d do well to replace Graham – and just about all the GOP hacks rotting in office.
No joke: but Trump has gotten very fat. This is scary: we don’t want to lose him to bad health. Someone tell him!
Could you make the case for replacing Graham without using the words “Donald Trump” or name someone who you would rather be in office in South Carolina without using the term “Lindsay Graham”?
If not he won so be glad you overlap with him over 90% of the time.
So basically you are pro authoritarian rule. Biting the hand that fed her, in other words saying she thought Trump did something wrong and being punished for it.
You basically want sycophantic sheep when it comes to politics and Trump.
The same response she got from me when she begged for cash. never trusted the RINO( lips firmly attached to Obama’s “ring” after his SOTU) never will
Trump. Did . Nothing .Wrong.
It was the legal professionals that abandoned him at every turn and he was left with a handful of mostly inexperienced lawyers to try to set an election straight.
He was stabbed in the back buy those he trusted (Pence, 3 SCJ’s, etc)
He did not have the support or backing of his own freakin party to fight a stolen election
He had us, and he did NOT lose millions of voters, he won more votes than any President ever
I don’t count the illegal in the WH
Oh, okay, maybe you are just drunk? And kind of ranting like a . . . drunk person?
Why do you say that? He made 5 perfectly good points.
Points that have nothing to do with my post and that I read after this bizarro offering from the same person:
gonzotx | February 20, 2021 at 6:21 pm
Fuzzy Slippers is just plain wrong
Fuzzy slippers isn’t so fuzzy is he
I have no clue what that means or what I am “just plain wrong” about in this post. I asked but got a nonanswer. My conclusion: drunkenness. I could be wrong, but that covers the crazy so it works for me. 😛
Sorry bid, Trumps lied through his teeth. Pushing the stolen election line. You know why many lawyers didn’t want to get involved because he kept asking them to push the election fraud line. This has been thoroughly debunked at every turn. There is virtually no evidence of it. In fact the opposite is true, Trumps own officials considered it the most secure election ever.
Fuzzy Slippers is just plain wrong
Fuzzy slippers isn’t so fuzzy is he
Um, what?
Fuzzy
It’s from an old children’s rhyme
Fuzzy washe was a bear
Fuzzy washe had no hair
Fuzzy washe wasn’t very fuzzy was he?
Maybe instead of trying to insult her you could honestly answer her?
I’m going with Fuzzy Slippers theory – drunk
Trumpsters are not going anywhere, and though the Never Trump and Democrats are telling squishy Republicans they must denounce Trump if they want a political career the Trumpsters are not going to back them.
Good list by Julie Kelly on charges, no use of firearm, and John Sullivan seems to be Mia though there front and center cheering on the brake in that got Ashlii killed.
https://amgreatness.com/2021/02/19/no-proof-january-6-was-an-armed-insurrection/
If all Trumpsters want is to pretend Donald Trump won the 2020 election and insist on that as their litmus test they are self defeating, and the movement has become a useless one anyway because the past has already happened.
Coming up with new ideas, defining what they mean by populism and why the worker is better off with them would be a lot more helpful.
Is a 15 minimum wage part of conservative populism?
Are subsidies to mega corporations to bring in jobs to your district populist?
If a movement can’t answer any serious question, and only has eyes for it’s own narrative it has no future.
Dope. Just a plain left wing kooky dope.
Wow, are you off the reservation.
We only lost because of treason and massive fraud. We won’t let that happen again.
Change nothing! Charge full speed ahead!
@Skip
Not true, there was plenty of evidence of them being armed. The definition of armed is broader than just guns.
Additionally some of those arrested had fire arms.
I would think bypassing the issue of how do you feel about Trump when literally nobody is asking and praising him after he rejected the results of the elections and after the Jan 6th riots would stir up a hornets nest, and attacking him when he is still popular with Republicans would also stir a hornets nest is obvious.
I know nobody asks me anymore than they ask Nikki Haley but if you ask me we all need to stop spending so much time on Trump.
You must be kidding. Or you must be a troll. Which is it?
Danny is a full blown paid marxist.
Trump is our leader and duly elected President that had an election stolen and for all
Practical purposes, a coup..
We need a leader and he is our leader until HE says otherwise!
He is no longer a duly elected president because his term ended Jan 20th. He isn’t our leader either because our system is not a parliamentary system and if it was McConnell would probably be our leader, and he did not just win the election and there was no coup.
What he is is a former president who just lost by 4.4%, a former president I wish was still president but he is not our duly elected leader unless you could build a time machine.
Good luck reconciling with our defeat, it was hard for everyone on our side but the sooner you do just that the sooner you could help reverse the defeat.
You genuinely believe the election was legitimate and that Biden won without extensive cheating?
Does your definition of cheating include the media bias to the point where it is impossible for the election to be fair, censorship that also unbalances the playing field, total hegemony of one side in the culture and academia and the corporate world being in the tank for one side?
There wasn’t rampant cheating we lost by 7 million voters. That isn’t a small number.
You are aware that neither California nor New York votes count in Pennsylvania, Georgia, etc.
The “7 million” is a canard, stop repeating it, please.
Danny is on the other side. Which is why every single thing he says is 100% ass backwards.
Danny, these forums are about 3/4 echo chamber these days. The articles are usually solid here, there are some brilliant, highly informed people posting, and some that are simply unhinged.
I guess we have to take the bad with the good.
Your posts and your questions are all valid.
When there’s enough smoke, one can no longer reasonably doubt the presence of a fire. And there’s enough smoke from election shenanigans for several fires. Contending otherwise is an extraordinary claim that we are not going to uncritically accept just because you’d like us better if we did.
But requesting extraordinary proof for extraordinary claims = being in an echo chamber, apparently.
Court dismissals do not count. Smoke doesn’t disappear just because a judge opines that there is no fire. The proper response to that is not to ignore the smoke, but to question the judge’s impartiality.
And nobody’s going to fall for sock puppetry. Quit it.
Dathurtz:
Danny:
“Legitimate” is a fuzzy term. Danny makes a good point that even without any cheating the election was heavily slanted in favor of the Dems. That alone could be said to make it illegitimate, but it was what it was.
But in fact, on top of that, there was rampant, extensive cheating. If Dathurtz’s question is to mean anything it should be phrased: “…that Biden would have won even without the extensive cheating”, in other words “…that Biden won the legitimate votes”. And my answer is that nobody knows, and nobody will ever know.
Trump’s fantasies that he won by a landslide, and that this has been proven, and that the only reason he’s not president any more is that people deliberately refused to look at the evidence, is just insane.
But just as insane is the Biden narrative that there was no significant cheating, and that his victory was clear and clean.
The truth is in the middle: There was a lot of cheating, perhaps enough to change the result, but perhaps not. The Dems have deliberately set up the system to make cheating very easy to do and very hard to detect. And they have done so because (1) they know they cheat, and (2) they believe the majority of “lone wolf” cheats favor them. As I’ve written before, it’s as if the Dems banned fishing with nets smaller than 6 inches, and then proclaimed that 5-inch fish don’t exist.
You’re cool with a gazillion illegal votes in swing states? You’re fine with stopping counting, then having massive Biden dumps? You’re fine with vote batch data being exactly the same percentage breakdown Biden/Trump? You’re fine with counting after blocking observers or even kicking them out? You’re fine with the absolutely insane pushback against an audit? You’re fine with literally millions of votes without chain of custody?
Bro. How can you see all of these things (and the huge amount more I didn’t mention) and conclude everything is just fine?
I am in complete agreement with Milhouse.
This election has demonstrated that our elections have turned into competitions between two teams of influencers and lawyers (see the revealing Time Magazine article). The Democrats had the better team this time. The extent to which they also engaged in voter fraud is unprovable.
Our election system, like our Constitution, “was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.” (Adams) We no longer have a moral and religious people.
The strategy of the left, like the strategy of all previous totalitarian projects, has been to capture and indoctrinate our children. And we let them do it.
Get the children out of the government schools now.
She was already not looking good for a 2024 run but she could have salvaged something like the VP spot if she played her cards right.
She didn’t play her cards right….
Short of calling up the Democrats and asking for tips on how to rig a primary she’s got no option other than to go on a speaking tour and raise some cash, invest said cash, and retire. Maybe write a book or two. Speaking gig on Fox News.
She looked good on paper. But among us, we knew she was rino trash.
She has always been more opportunist than anything principled, and ready to cash in on her minority status, the calling card she led with.
Good article at American Thinker about the Game Nikki Haley was playing.
It would have worked with a Romney.
Unfortunately she was dealing with Trump.
The establishment still does not get Trump.
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2021/02/nikki_haley_just_got_burned_playing_the_old_establishment_republican_game.html
ANYTHING bad for America would ‘work’ with Romney.
Also, the establishment still does not get Trump supporters. many of us support GOP only as long as Trump does.
GOP, you play nasty with Trump, and we will play nasty with you.
It never ceases to amaze how the RINO types come up with platitudinous maxims only to misapply them. “It is possible to find fault with one’s own side in specific actions” morphs into a justification of any disloyalty finding fault where there is none.
Representatives Liz Cheney, Gonzalez, Rep. Herrera-Beutler, Katko, Kinzinger, Meijer, Newhouse, Rice, Upton, and Valadaovote voted to impeach the President without any investigation or due process. This violated historical precedent (every single impeachment in the history of the United States followed an investigation) and core principles of justice.
Senators Burr, Cassidy, Collins, Murkowski, Romney, Sasse, and Toomey violated their oath to do justice by voting guilty not based on the evidence presented and the article of impeachment. They justified their vote individually with inane reasons, inexplicably ignoring the lack of evidence presented, the constitutional weakness (to put it mildly) of the article of impeachment, and in the article of impeachment itself. Instead some made up their own article of impeachment and voted on that article, though not brought by the Pelosi House against President Trump.
And if Nikki Haley claims nothing is wrong with the election without any evidence and at the same time claims without any evidence that Trump somehow incited and “armed insurrection” (that apparently was “unarmed” given the lack of firearms secured) that is not an acceptable “difference of opinion” that is a symptom of Benedict Arnoldism.
Everything you just said is baseless.
Trump didn’t even allege voter fraud in court. How stupid do you think he is?
Danny, you sound like a grade schooler playing on your iphone.
Seriously: How old are you?
Old enough to know when a man tells you one thing and a federal judge another believe what he told the federal judge.
https://electioncases.osu.e…
“36 Separately, Plaintiffs filed a motion seeking leave to file a second amended complaint. Doc.
172. Having filed the FAC as of right, Plaintiffs may file a second amended complaint only
with the opposing party’s written consent or the court’s leave. During the oral argument on
November 17, 2020, Defendants indicated that they would not consent to the filing of a third
pleading and did not concur in the motion for leave to file this second amended complaint.
37 Plaintiffs initially appeared to base their standing under the Equal Protection Clause on the
theory that the notice-and-cure policy unlawfully allowed certain ballots to be counted, and
that this inclusion of illegal ballots diluted Plaintiffs’ legal votes. Doc. 1. After Bognet
expressly rejected this theory of standing, however, Plaintiffs have since reversed course and
now argue that their standing is based on the cancellation of Individual Plaintiffs’ votes and
the Trump Campaign’s “competitive standing.” 2020 WL 6686120, at *9-10; Doc. 124 at 2. ”
In other words this isn’t a fraud case and only a case of rampant fraud backed by irrefutable evidence could justify disenfranchising PA.
Here are some more gems from the decision
“Plaintiffs’ only remaining claim alleges a violation of equal protection. This
claim, like Frankenstein’s Monster, has been haphazardly stitched together from
two distinct theories in an attempt to avoid controlling precedent. The general
thrust of this claim is that it is unconstitutional for Pennsylvania to give states
discretion to adopt a notice-and-cure policy. Invoking Bush v. Gore, Plaintiffs
assert that such local control is unconstitutional because it creates an arbitrary
system where some persons are allowed to cure procedurally defective mail-in
ballots while others are not. ”
Here is some more
” At
bottom, Plaintiffs have failed to meet their burden to state a claim upon which
relief may be granted. Therefore, I grant Defendants’ motions and dismiss
Plaintiffs’ action with prejudice. ”
Translation-Trump didn’t even allege the only grounds in existence to invalidate an election.
Danny, wrong question, you should ask how stupid we think you are 🙂
Juvenile comments on the internet how original.
Is that so, Danny? Can you please point to the official Congressional document memorializing the investigation that took place before the second Trump impeachment?
Please, don’t take us for fools who fall immediately for your lazy fallacies.
Did she say he incited armed insurrection?
I read the article at legal insurrection and did not want to even touch the Seattle Times but because you went the route of declaring she said armed insurrection I did she never said that in either the Legal Insurrection article or the source it linked to and I don’t think she said it period.
She said the election happened and wasn’t stolen by voter fraud (true) that Trump disgraced himself (also true) that he caused the riot (definitely true even though he did not commit the crime of incitement), and he treated Pence very poorly even treacherously despite Pence’ loyal service to Trump (extremely true), and she said Trump has no future in the Republican Party (pure opinion).
What you claimed however is the election was so clearly stolen you need to prove it wasn’t stolen (which I will do right now, we won EVERY close congressional election resulting in one of the smallest congressional majorities in history, swept into a trifecta in New Hampshire, proved more competitive in most swing states than anyone expected including Nevada being an unexpected swing state, won the state house in places supposedly rigged achieved a net gain in governors mansions, took one or more branch of state government in most states, have a majority of the nations trifectas….cheating doesn’t normally work that way).
I wanted Trump to win, unfortunately he didn’t. Now I want him to stop pretending he won, I find it repulsive in Hillary Clinton, I find it repulsive in Stacey Abrams, and I find it also repulsive in Donald Trump.
“I wanted Trump to win…”
On top of being a paid marxist shill you are an outright liar.
“I wanted Trump to win, unfortunately he didn’t. Now I want him to stop pretending he won, I find it repulsive in Hillary Clinton, I find it repulsive in Stacey Abrams, and I find it also repulsive in Donald Trump.”
That’s an entirely reasonable statement, as someone more on the left I can respect that.
I notice they pander to the base only when their butts depend on it. If they think their butts are threatened by some other element, they pander to that. The base is getting very tired of trying to keep these sniveling disingenuous cowards honest to the cause.
@Felixrigidus
It can be argued that given the senators were witnesses to the insurrection that an investigation was moot. Sure they could have had an investigation but what more do you need. There was a long time line of inflammatory remarks by Trump, including phoning around senators during the insurrection. Here is the key point he didn’t give a fuck about there safety when he likely knew that Pence had been evacuated he was still ringing to try and get the electoral votes changed. The facts speak for themselves, sorry Trump supporters appear on the face of it to be giving Trump a free pass.
Haley is simply a snake. That’s all she has ever been.
And not nearly as shrewd as we thought she might be, despite knowing she is a rino rat.
Niks done stepped in a pile of hockey…backing up just smears it, honey.
A government of politicians, by politicians and for politicians.
This is exactly what we do not need.
These people will never give up their corruption of our lousy government operations.
Dems seem committed to going all the way down the road to totalitarian government control. And Trump did nothing wrong. It’s clear republican “leadership” and scotus will just roll over so it’s left to us patriots and Trump’s team. Trump’s actions only appear radical because the dems have never pushed an illegal election this far. What else we he and us supposed to do? Just roll over and be “civil” (according to democrat definition)? How difficult and bloody it becomes depends on how far dems attempt to push this (please refer to first sentence)