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Nikki Haley “Disgusted” By Trump, Says He’s “Fallen Too Far” To Have Future With GOP

Nikki Haley “Disgusted” By Trump, Says He’s “Fallen Too Far” To Have Future With GOP

Odd way to position for the 2024 GOP nomination

Former South Carolina governor and former UN ambassador Nikki Haley (R) really wants to be president.

What is not quite as clear is in which party she intends to run; it seems she wants to run in some future GOP that has memory-holed President Trump and his 75 million voters.

The Seattle Times reports:

Nikki Haley, a U.N. ambassador under President Donald Trump who left his administration without the drama or ill will that marred most of its high-level departures, sharply criticized her former boss in an interview published Friday, saying that she was “disgusted” by his conduct Jan. 6, the day of the Capitol riot.

Haley, 49, who is widely believed to be considering a run for president in 2024, told Politico that she did not believe the former president would remain a dominant force within the Republican Party or that he would seek office again, arguing that he had “lost any sort of political viability.”

“I don’t think he’s going to be in the picture,” Haley said. “I don’t think he can. He’s fallen so far.”

. . . . But after Jan. 6, Haley told the publication that she had previously urged Trump to be more “careful” with his words, to no avail.

“He went down a path he shouldn’t have,” she said, referring to his deception about the election. “And we shouldn’t have followed him, and we shouldn’t have listened to him. And we can’t let that ever happen again.”

In that moment, Haley’s remarks showed that she was willing to entertain a political proposition that most other Republicans with eyes on the White House had not dared to utter publicly: that Trump’s hold over the GOP base will loosen, and that he will not be the kingmaker many have predicted.

It seems plausible that Haley is putting all her presidential aspirational eggs in a wishful Trumpism will dissipate basket, but that seems a rather risky gamble, particularly in light of the blowback against House and Senate Republicans who voted to impeach and/or convict him.

Republicans, both anti- and pro-Trump, are not impressed.

The Seattle Times continues:

Some Republicans said Haley’s comments were simply acknowledging reality. As a politician who is more comfortable with the establishment wing of the GOP, she has not always had the trust of Trump’s base. And in a crowded 2024 presidential primary, she would face stiff competition for those votes.

“You didn’t have to be clairvoyant to see which way Nikki Haley would go once Donald Trump lost,” said Sam Nunberg, a consultant who worked for Trump. “She was never going to be able to take the Trump mantle.”

To other Republicans, her words of regret were too little, too late given her earlier deference toward Trump. Rep. Adam Kinzinger, R-Ill., who has become one of the most outspoken critics of his party since the Capitol attack, accused Haley of playing “both sides.” On Twitter, he urged her to “Pick Country First or Trump First.”

Breitbart has more on Haley’s (mis?)calculation:

“I think his business is suffering at this point. I think he’s lost any sort of political viability he was going to have,” she said, without offering evidence. “I think he’s lost his social media, which meant the world to him. I mean, I think he’s lost the things that really could have kept him moving.”

Twitter lit up with reactions to Haley throwing Trump under that bus:


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She is right his prospects died on Jan 6th after being critically hit by his failure to accept the election results as the prof. at this site suggested he should.

But does she have to say that? Could we take a break from Donald Trump? Like for a second? So we could focus on something other than a pointless Republican civil war about nothing?

Fighting back against cancel culture instead of fighting over Trump might be nice but thanks Nikki Haley you have the headlines and kept the issue as Trump.

    Yes, someone has to say it, and often. The “cancel culture” lives as strong on the right as well as the left.

      Brave Sir Robbin in reply to Perfesser33. | February 13, 2021 at 9:31 pm

      So, what has the right done to “cancel” Niki? Disagreement and derision is not cancelling. Cancelling his firing people from their jobs for having a different opinion. Cancelling would entail banning her from sharing views on social media. Cancelling is refusing to do business with her, closing and even freezing her bank accounts. Cancelling is destroying her business. Cancelling would be threatening violence and labeling her as a Nazi, fascist, racist, terrorist, insurrectionist, homophobe, etc., etc., etc. Cancelling is finding her and her family and attacking them. Cancelling is accosting her in public with a threatening mob. Cancelling her would entail prosecuting her with… well, they’ll find something. Cancelling is filling the nation’s capitol with 25,000 troops because some nut job in a fury hat with horns sticking out of it broke into a public building, because some mostly peaceful protests are glorified but other mostly peaceful protests are insurrections and you better not say anything I don’t like, because, “It’s a nice life you have there. Shame if anything should happen to it.” That’s cancelling. I honestly do not see the “right” practicing any of this.

        JusticeDelivered in reply to Brave Sir Robbin. | February 13, 2021 at 9:58 pm

        How about Right snakes? Romney sure as hell is a snake, quite a few others are.

        So, can the Right snakes be expelled, with Trump taking over the Republican party, or will Trump have to create a new party, leaving both parties hallowed out shells?

          President Trump is already the leader of the TRUE party of Conservative Republicans. Romney? If you believe he’s a real Republican, you also believe Joe Biden is actually running this country. Haley? If you believe she’s a real Republican, you believe Nancy Pelosi really didn’t want to impeach President Trump. Cassidy? If you believe he’s a real Republican, you likely believe that George Bush steered Katrina directly into New Orleans. Speacking of which, if you believe George Bush is a real Republican, you likely believe his daddy was pure as the driven snow just like John Brennan as CIA director. Mitch McConnell? If you believe he’s even a fake Republican, you are likely on his payroll from his Chinese supporters.
          I’m beginning to think 6 years in the Senate is about 5 1/2 years too long without another election. 3 of those 7 alleged Republicans were just re-elected so they felt “safe” in their votes and 2 are “retiring” (before the voters retired them) in 22. Personally, I think Congress should face re-election every 6 months so their action or inaction is readily apparent to their constituents. They won’t be spending millions campaigning and BIG money won’t be able to afford to buy them all at once. Why not give it a shot?

      We have to fight back

      She’s a pol, dotard.

      Delusional comment.

      I wasn’t trying to cancel her just expressing annoyance that all our supposed leaders talk about is Trump.

      There are real problems everywhere in this country generally facing everyone, and facing Republicans in particular (cancel culture comes to mind) and all any of them seem to have to say is “Trump”.

        FiftycalTX2 in reply to Danny. | February 14, 2021 at 2:38 pm

        So who do you think should be head of the party? This lying POS? Mittens? Maybe we could drag Jeb! off his cruise and wind him up again?
        Of course all those peoples roles were was to “lose like a gentleman” and keep the socialists in power. Like $4 a gallon gas? Millions more illegal aliens that will get free food, housing and medical care while keeping wages low? That’s what you get with a return of the Osama Obama govt. Remember China joe* isn’t calling the shots. He takes his marching orders from Osama Obama and Valerie (Iranian born and a muslim that LIVES with Osama Obama) Jarret. She is the reason president * has put Iran on the most favored nations list.
        Trump? Hell yes I’d vote for him in a heartbeat.

    Barry in reply to Danny. | February 13, 2021 at 9:15 pm

    “She is right…”

    She is 100% wrong and you are a moron.

    Haley is a snake, the worst kind of person. She will do, and has done, anything to get power.

    This time however she screwed up. A political career is dead to her.

      MarkSmith in reply to Barry. | February 13, 2021 at 9:17 pm

      Looks like Danny is the cat lovers twin.

        What do cats have to do with this exactly?

        What I think would be important is moving on from Trump. His behavior after losing isn’t suitable for anyone and when the protest against peaceful transition of power he started got violent he cost us a great deal.

        Forget him, fight for a principle not for a prince. We could fight over Trump 24/7 if you want Democrats to get their agenda passed and cancel culture to be more embedded than ever before.

      She’s right and you are a tool of the Trumpists!

        MarkSmith in reply to Perfesser33. | February 13, 2021 at 9:27 pm

        An the cat lovers multiply!!!!

          And I find it difficult to understand why supposedly intelligent people are willing to be intellectually be a**f**cked by someone like Donald Trump unless they enjoy it.

          MarkSmith in reply to MarkSmith. | February 13, 2021 at 11:48 pm

          Well, the “INTELLECTUAL” cat lover speaks….

          And I find it difficult to understand why supposedly intelligent people are willing to be intellectually be a**f**cked by someone like Donald Trump unless they enjoy it.

          Well, Donald Trump is not forcing me to wear masks

          Well, Donald Trump is not forcing me to get a Experimental Vaccine

          Well, Donald Trump is not shutting down my business because of a pandemic

          Well Donald Trump is not requesting 45 K ventilators when he only need 5

          Well Donald Trump is not preventing me from getting medicines that can help me for $3 a pop like Ivermectin when Big Pharma is pushing a 3K treatment that does not work

          Well Donald Trump is not causing my retirement 401K from losing 50% of it value.

          Well Donald Trump is not causing me to pay 30 K annually for health care with a 6 K ded. and 20% co-pay for everything

          Well Donald Trump is not costing me $4 a gallon of gas

          Well Donald Trump is not letting HB Visa imports from devaluing my job by 20% of my salary

          Well Donald Trump made my taxes easier to do because standard deduction covers it.

          Well Donald Trump is bring my friends home from foreign service so they do not have to play policeman for people that do not give a crap about us.

          Well Donald Trump is not pushing to pay for rich kids student loans when the kid that did not go to college still has to pay for that 10 year car loan so they can go to work.

          Well Donald Trump is not forcing me to say I am a racist even though me and my friends are more diverse than anyone in your “intellectual” circle of make believe diversity.

          Well Donald Trump was not holding up a Transportation Bill that would have given rebirth to mid-west states like Michigan and Ohio

          Well Donald Trump was asking to help people with 2K worth of relief, but instead, the trillions are being spent on foreign aid and gender studies.


          What did you say Donald Trump was doing….?

          Here Kitty Kitty Kitty

          mark311 in reply to MarkSmith. | February 14, 2021 at 4:36 am


          Some of the things you list out are wrong some are correct. Trump wasn’t pure evil nor was he so inept that he got everything wrong. Of course I personally think he did a lot wrong but my politics is different to you.

          The specific points that I think you are grossly mistaken on relate to Covid. He was utterly useless in respect to Covid, and peddling nonsense didn’t help. The fact is masks help, and social distancing help, as do lockdowns. Your economic argument falls apart when you see that countries that didn’t act slow and vacillated like Trump have had severe but shorter lockdowns. The cost of lockdowns is in part due to the length of time thus short lockdown vs long protracted failed lockdown means that Economically short and hard is good.

          Brave Sir Robbin in reply to MarkSmith. | February 14, 2021 at 11:00 am

          “The fact is masks help, and social distancing help, as do lockdowns.”

          The facts are that masks do not help, social distancing does not help, and lockdowns do not help, and you cannot prove they do.

          Evidence, as in SCIENCE, suggests these measures do not help. Jurisdictions with strict mask and social distancing mandates and harsh liberty robbing, life ruining “lockdowns” of healthy people show no difference in either infection, hospitalization, or death rates.

          The virus spreads via aerosolize particles (not droplets – they are different) after prolonged exposure. Therefore, locking people into a home in close proximity is how this virus is spread. Data shows the primary spread vector are people in prolonged close proximity, primarily, in households. Lockdowns kill, both by spreading the virus and by destroying lives. Masks kill because they are useless to stop aerosolized particles, regardless of how many you wear – if you can breath, you can breath in the aerosolized particles, and because people have been incorrectly taught to think they can go sit in the same room as grandpa as long as they both wear a mask and hang out, and social distancing does not work because it is irrelevant in most cases, like walking around, shopping, dinning out, etc., but inescapable because people have to live with other. Finding people with symptoms and isolating them is the only effective means of control without vaccine. This has been known for a very long time. We should be monitoring for symptoms, and doing all this other at best useless and likely harmful crap.

          Brave Sir Robbin in reply to MarkSmith. | February 14, 2021 at 11:02 am

          Also, Mark, if you want to wear a mask and hide in a closet, please be my guest. Just don’t make everyone else do the same.

          MarkSmith in reply to MarkSmith. | February 14, 2021 at 11:20 am

          Dear Cat Loving Karen:

          The specific points that I think you are grossly mistaken on relate to Covid.

          Seriously!? You are pure evil. HQ and Ivermectin and steroids are treatment that was being widely accepted world wide. The mask screamer have distracted from the roll out of life saving medications so they can promote an experimental vaccine and drugs like Remdesivir that WHO no longer recommends.

          Masks don’t work. It is BS and virtual signalling. Proper hygiene does make a difference. It always has. Your talking points don’t work here and are seriously damaging.

          It is not here to talk about this but you have zero to back up your comments.

          dmacleo in reply to MarkSmith. | February 14, 2021 at 1:07 pm

          so someone that loves cats is bad no matter what?
          answer carefully.

          MarkSmith in reply to MarkSmith. | February 14, 2021 at 4:37 pm

          If you have not been around this site for a long time, you would not understand the Cat Lover comments. It has zero to do with cats and everything to do with Cat Lovers who tend to set records of down votes. Notice that there is a Karen Cat Lover that has ranked up 38 down votes.

          dmacleo in reply to MarkSmith. | February 14, 2021 at 5:38 pm

          I’ve been here since pretty much since day (maybe month) one and never heard that.
          live and learn.

          MarkSmith in reply to MarkSmith. | February 14, 2021 at 11:40 pm

          I’ve been here since pretty much since day (maybe month) one and never heard that.
          live and learn.

          Wow, you have. You go back to 2011. I think I showed up in 2012 with the Zimmerman/Martin case. Probably found my way over from the Tree House.

          Have not left since. I think Barry and Milhouse have been around about that long too.

        Funny how adult logic and critical thinking fly out the window as a early symptom of TDS…
        Made Up words of grade school and lower intellect, irrational emotion based bald assertions unhinged from broad, unsupported conclusatory proclamations.

        I have some druthers with the way the man talks at times, and I get that

        His actual record and accomplishments in the face of hurricane force head winds speak volumes

        Will there ever be a TDS vaccine???

          Her tone was condescending but in substance she was right Trump’s chances of actually winning back the White House died on Jan 6th 2021 and got substantially lower when he rejected the election claiming election fraud.

          Against Hillary Clinton the worst presidential candidate of all time he won by 50,000 votes in three states. Against Joe Biden he lost by 4.4% making the election even less close than 2012.

          There is no reason to think Nikki Haley isn’t just telling a truth we don’t want to hear.

          DieJustAsHappy in reply to rduke007. | February 14, 2021 at 1:01 pm

          This response is to Danny:

          Trump’s support is as strong now as ever. Big donors, according to reports, are backing away from Haley not Trump.

          In reference to violence, more violence, in various forms, have been done against this man for over five! years. He’s passionate about what he says and does. If certain persons want to use this an excuse for violent behavior, that’s on them, not him

          The man hasn’t been out of office a month, yet persons are proclaiming his demise, Haley included. Quite premature, I do believe.

          Let’s also not forget there may be cases the SCOTUS may hear with regards to the election. I don’t know how many times persons have pointed a finger at Trump and called him a fool, not knowing what he was talking about. Only later, he was proven correct.

          Finally, we don’t fight for a “prince”. We fight for him as he fights for the principles for which we stand …

    Olinser in reply to Danny. | February 13, 2021 at 9:45 pm

    We’ll ‘take a break’ when the pieces of shit that populate the GOPe stop taking every single public opportunity to tell us how much they hate Trump and how much they hate everybody that voted for him.

    Trump sure as fuck isn’t the one publicly attacking Republicans, even though he’d have every right to call out traitorous trash like McConnell.

    gonzotx in reply to Danny. | February 13, 2021 at 10:06 pm

    Make no mistake, President Trump is our leader, all 80 million plus of us

      MarkSmith in reply to gonzotx. | February 13, 2021 at 11:55 pm

      No, Donald Trump is not our leader. He is our cheerleader. We are mad. We like Trump because he is willing to do something about it, but our power is in the 80+ M strong with a similar belief that the current establishment is not working in our best interest. Trump is one of our best friends, but if he goes away, are beliefs are still strong.

      Collectively, we are strong than any party, the biggest fear they have is Trump has exposed it. They can try to cancel us, but their fear is actually bigger than ours. We believe in God so we are not afraid. We are pissed!

    Geoffrey Britain in reply to Danny. | February 14, 2021 at 3:14 am

    I didn’t think it possible that anyone could exceed Haley’s political stupidity but I have to admit you’ve proven me wrong.

    caseoftheblues in reply to Danny. | February 14, 2021 at 5:21 am

    The Professor was never more wrong in his entire life when he said we needed to politely accept a stolen election and probably also accept we have lost the right to vote in America by doing so….but hey we were being the polite doormats the GOP always wants to be. Seriously that was the worst advice by far ever given…EVER. We should have fought harder.

    WestRock in reply to Danny. | February 14, 2021 at 9:27 am

    you remind me of another poster who swims against the time – daniel_ream (spelling?)

    Go comment on where trolls are the norm.

    SeekingRationalThought in reply to Danny. | February 14, 2021 at 10:11 am

    Trump’s personal political prospects (a successful Presidential run) may have ended on January 6, but Haley’s certainly ended. Trump could get the nomination but may be too damaged to win the general election. Plus the loyalty of his base means he will be a force even if he can’t get the nomination. Haley, on the other hand, just gave up any chance of getting the nomination. She is toast. As someone else said, there was no political reason for her to make this statement. I doubt that the statement reflects any deep convictions, however. She is, after all a politician. Hence, her statement doesn’t just raise questions about her loyalty but also about her judgement.

    BLSinSC in reply to Danny. | February 15, 2021 at 9:35 am

    Yes, prospects DIED – but they were HERS!! She will not even sniff the nomination. There’s already Horizontal Harris in office so there’s no need for nikki! She betrayed the people of SC and then moved on. She did a good job in the UN, but honestly, if ANYONE spoke the TRUTH in that miasma of misery they would be seen as a hero! She’s done and unless the dem machine decides to STEAL an election for her she has no chance!

“Nikki Haley says she is disgusted with Trump. He has fallen too far.”
I am disgusted Nikki Haley. She has fallen so far—-she is lower than whale shit.

I don’t think Nimrata has much of chance to be elected President but to cite Trump’s “75 million followers” is a bit misleading. Many voted for PDJT because the alternative was a feeble-minded old war horse who had done nothing in 47 years in politics.

    Barry in reply to NYBruin. | February 13, 2021 at 9:17 pm

    “Many voted for PDJT because the alternative was a feeble-minded old war horse…”

    Define “many”. He didn’t run against the feeble minded biden the first time and managed to win. Biden has never been a “war horse”. He’s never been anything more than a corrupt half wit on his best day.

      Milhouse in reply to Barry. | February 13, 2021 at 9:44 pm

      The first time he ran against the Wicked Witch of Westchester, a career criminal who is also extremely unlikable, and he still only barely beat her.

        felixrigidus in reply to Milhouse. | February 14, 2021 at 4:51 am

        The first time he ran against the Wicked Witch of Westchester, a career criminal who is also extremely unlikable and the entire propaganda machine of the MSM while the Obama administration spied on him and used the power of the state to help the WWoW while hindering the Trump campaign in ways we might never know about fully, and he still only barely beat her. And he used his time in office against overwhelming and unprecedented illegal sabotage and unpatriotic total opposition to do much good.


    The down ballot results give credence to this theory too as many Rs out performed the top of the ticket. Another point, here in AL the Secretary of State reinterpreted election laws b/c of the virus. For example, opening offices so voters could request ballots, receive them, and vote on the same day. I don’t believe the legislature approve it but Trump won Alabama. Were they contested by the Rs…of course not!

      Milhouse in reply to Perfesser33. | February 13, 2021 at 9:49 pm

      Why would the Rs contest it? That’s not their job. No matter what they think of its legality, if the Ds didn’t contest it the Rs’ job is to keep their mouths shut.

      Many years ago I worked once as a count observer. We were trained on how to spot an error. And then we were trained that having spotted an error, the next step is to check whom the error favored. If it favored the other side, protest; if it favored our side, keep your big yap shut. The other side has observers too, and it’s their job to spot errors in our favor. If they’re bad at their job, that’s their tough luck.

      henrybowman in reply to Perfesser33. | February 14, 2021 at 5:11 pm

      The down ballot results only prove that the massive election fraud was concentrated solely on the top line of the ballot. Don’t pee down our backs.

    I referred to 75 million Trump voters, not “followers,” which would indeed be misleading as it would suggest that they are somehow committed to Trump and only Trump. There is no reason to imagine that the eventual GOP nominee cannot retain those votes given that either Biden or Harris will most likely be the Dem nom in 2024 . . . unless said GOP nominee is a return to the pre-Trump GOP. Then, all bets are off on how many Trump voters will support him/her; my guess is that such a nominee would lose to Biden (or Harris) just as McCain and Romney lost to Obama.

    trojanlhs in reply to NYBruin. | February 13, 2021 at 9:46 pm

    Yeah I think Fuzzy may have overstepped there. Trump doesn’t have 75 million loyal supporters. Probably half are saying “sheesh at least that’s over with”…

      amwick in reply to trojanlhs. | February 13, 2021 at 9:57 pm

      You are right.. I think the number is closer to maybe 90 million, especially after this latest shit show.

      felixrigidus in reply to trojanlhs. | February 14, 2021 at 5:09 am

      NYBruin | February 13, 2021 at 9:07 pm

      I don’t think Nimrata has much of chance to be elected President but to cite Trump’s “75 million followers” is a bit misleading.

      Fuzzy Slippers | February 13, 2021 at 9:23 pm

      I referred to 75 million Trump voters, not “followers,” which would indeed be misleading as it would suggest that they are somehow committed to Trump and only Trump.

      trojanlhs | February 13, 2021 at 9:46 pm

      Yeah I think Fuzzy may have overstepped there. Trump doesn’t have 75 million loyal supporters. Probably half are saying “sheesh at least that’s over with”…

      It is a bit unlucky that your comment is directly under the one correcting the record…

      caseoftheblues in reply to trojanlhs. | February 14, 2021 at 5:33 am

      What country did you live in for the last 4 years? Its amazing how obtuse and completely out of touch many of the posters,normally bright clear thinkers are about what transpired the last four years and last election. It’s adorbs you and they think it makes any difference who the GOP run. Cause sure after getting completely away with such massive blatant fraud the Dems sure won’t do that again…in every single election going forward. Everyone who wanted and advocated for Trump to just concede were advocating for No voting ever again in the US. And that’s what we have now…selection by an elite few no longer election by we the people.

Yes, well and fine.
And the GOP doesn’t necessarily have much of a future with me either.
Especially as Trump really doesn’t need them anymore, and he is free to form another Party.
It could strip the GOP of all the good ones.
Look what Nigel did in just a couple years…

    Trump is not going to start his own party, and he’s already made that very clear by focusing on primarying America Last Republicans. There will be no “third” (really about the 50th) party. It’s a bad idea, doomed to failure, and Trump is not going to do something that stupid, particularly when he is–despite Haley’s fevered dreams–still the driving force in the GOP. He wants to clear it out of establishment swamp creatures, and that will be battle in 2022 and beyond (at least the one Trump will focused on).

    Additionally: Farage was successful BECAUSE there are so many viable parties in British government; they form governing coalitions, so Farage’s UKIP and later his BREXIT party never actually won power; they joined forces with the Conservatives against “remainers” and Labour. Farage also didn’t start cold; he was already well-known and had support from leading UKIP, and he zeroed in on a single issue that was dividing the UK: BREXIT. What he accomplished is admirable, but it doesn’t translate well to our system of government.

      Brave Sir Robbin in reply to Fuzzy Slippers. | February 13, 2021 at 10:01 pm

      I agree. Trump will try and retain and expand the coalition he built inside the Republican party. But he is not young, and the party establishment would love nothing more than to reject him and his coalition of forgotten deplorables. A new leader will need to rise. There is time to do this. Though not young, Trump is also not that old.

      They will continue to go after him. Expect several criminal prosecutions against him, his family, and supporters.

      Remember, the money and the power resides in the large internationalist tech and financial centers. Everyone outside of this, Trump people, are simply dirty, smelly serfs who need to understand their place.

      The reason they make you parrot absurd things is not to brainwash you, but merely to identify who is loyal, and who is not. Tomorrow, they will declare the earth is flat after all, and you will have to agree, or be seen as a resister, and become a target for cancellation.

      Making you spout absurd ideas is simply an enemy identification tactic. If someone hesitates just a bit or is not vigorous enough in their agreement with absurdity….

        henrybowman in reply to Brave Sir Robbin. | February 14, 2021 at 5:14 pm

        “The reason they make you parrot absurd things is not to brainwash you, but merely to identify who is loyal, and who is not. Tomorrow, they will declare the earth is flat after all, and you will have to agree, or be seen as a resister, and become a target for cancellation.”

        I’m going to steal this, if you don’t mind.

      thad_the_man in reply to Fuzzy Slippers. | February 13, 2021 at 11:15 pm

      IT depends on the circumstances. Egg McMuffin is trying to start his own third party saying the GOP is too rife with “Trumpism”. If he does and drags most of the never Trumpers with him, then I see Trump staying.

      A big problem is McConnell’s speech today. I suspect that if he is successful in 2022, and manages to oust McConnell then
      he will stay. If not it’s third party time.

      In either case, the party with Trump in it will outpoll the other party immediately.

      Before any R looks for a ticket in 2024, they better have a real sound plan for big blue cities and big blue swing states. They have been empowered with a huge “what can anyone do” free pass.

        The federal government can’t fix Dem-run cities and states, the voters have to elect decent mayors, gov, legislature, etc. They never do, though, they just get fed up and leave. The exodus out of NYC and California is remarkable. Now if California really wants to be fixed, they can get off to a good start by replacing Newsom with (say) Grenell. But they won’t.

        Living in Trump country, Free Florida, I am very grateful the Biden-Harris federal government can’t ‘fix’ us to their liking. :P.

        mrtomsr in reply to mrtomsr. | February 14, 2021 at 11:39 am

        I think that one gets elected to a federal government position by coming up through the ranks in the State party by proving yourself worthy or profitable to the party itself. That, I believe is what is going on in the big blue cities and states currently, and, the red Sates are no different. While the federal government cannot directly change local shenanigans, the larger party machine at the federal level certainly has influence on the local level. I do agree the voters need to change our ways too, but we are limited to whomever the parties allow us to vote for both locally and nationally. The biggest changes needed is in ballot authentication in federal elections and the feds could reasonably mandate certain standards to accomplish that. Thanks for reading my 2 cents.

      Burn_the_Witch in reply to Fuzzy Slippers. | February 14, 2021 at 12:19 pm

      Sorry, the stupid idea is continuing to support a party that you think is suddenly going to start working on advancing their platforms and promises despite 20 years of evidence to the contrary.

      That’s actually insane.

      It’s not relegated to a handful of Republicans as there are only a handful of Republicans who are intent on conserving anything and shrinking the size and scope of government. Most of the rest are simply Swamp-lite. And then there’s the party apparatus like the RNC and donor network. Trump is still going to have to fight that and they’re not going to budge. So you’ll still see the same sort of counterproductivity.

      A new party is actually the smarter answer, with shorter term pain than Trump simply railing against the establishment from Florida while the establishment and Democrats are launching lawsuit after lawsuit and denying him infrastructure.

      But how is that defined?

      The only thing I have noticed him doing is threatening Brian Kemp an America First Republican because he certified the results of the election.

      The result of that is going to be giving Georgia to Stacy Abrams. If you think Stacy Abrams will be good for Georgia I guess that could be considered America first but I don’t so I think it is an America last thing.

      There are also some issues where we have become the workers party but others where we need to do some serious soul searching (Billionaire tax cuts, military spending always being frighteningly low if it isn’t more than the rest of the planet combined, obsession with Obamacare among other things).

        I think he is more likely to focus on Congress than on state or local government, but who knows? Whatever he does, it’s up to the voters to decide whom they want to vote for, and if it’s Abrams, then God help Georgia.

        I think what you are kind of dancing around is the very real fact that there are “purple” areas of the country that simply will never ever elect a Constitutional conservative, and because of that there will always be “RINOs” like Collins, Cheney, and Murkowski because that’s who their districts/states elected to represent them.

        This is something that is a huge bone of contention on the right for a few reasons, not the least of which is that they see the Democrats walk in lockstep on the big issues, which they do, and wonder why the GOP can’t get their act together in a similar way. But it’s all a delicate balancing act on the left in that Democrats also carefully work out their “rogue” votes so the desired result is still achieved yet the at-risk moderate can go back home and say they voted against X.

        Republicans do this, too, of course, but it’s not perceived the same way for some reason. The GOP base wants every Congress critter to be [insert whomever is flavor of the moment, right now it’s Trump, but it’s been Palin, Cruz, even that slimy amnesty-pushing, gun-grabbing Rubio for about a minute), but they don’t hear the Democrat base who wants every Congress critter to be Bernie or AOC (another impossibility). Anyway, I am probably just rambling now, but it would be helpful if our side didn’t have such a rosy view of the Democrats; they are not a unified force, what they achieve is through the bribery, coercion, blackmail, threats, and flattery of their members . . . you know, typical politics that takes place in both parties but is only noticed in the GOP for some reason.

        For example, Biden ran on $15 minimum wage, but they don’t actually want that, so it won’t happen. They have a couple of Dems who need to look centrist at home (handy to have on hand when you want to kill something you never intended to do in the first place) who are willing to vote against it. Problem solved. Biden really tried (really!), the progressive caucus worked SO hard, but alas, it just couldn’t be. The base loathes Manchin and Sinema, but they don’t care because back home, they are hailed as principled heroes. Sound familiar?

        I think the repeal ObamaCare train has left the station, so that’s one down. I don’t have a problem with military spending if it’s just rebuilding what a Dem president tore down, but I do think it’s past time to take a look at the military budget and make some adjustments. Billionaire tax cuts . . . well, neither party is going to stop those; who would fund their campaigns? 😉 Dems will make a big show of “taxing the rich,” but they always ensure there are sufficient avenues around those taxes/loopholes/legal avoidance schemes for the rich (it’s the middle class they want to decimate, not the rich–that’s why the rich always get richer no matter which party is in power). Democrats talk a good game, but it’s just that, talk. And a game.

          Rambling is fine that is half of a conversation

          I am glad you are willing to throw some of the old unpopular orthodoxies out in favor of a more pragmatic approach. The examples I used wasn’t an exhaustive list of orthodoxies we need to question of course but they are the ones that I think need to be tossed quickly.

          On billionaire tax rates I actually agree, congress would find a way to prevent the bill from being presented and parties would try to point fingers at the other side. However even if everyone knows congress won’t actually increase their taxes pledging to decrease them I think you would agree is unpopular across the board. Just saying once I would be open to increasing their taxes but need a bill to examine would do wonders for a lot of Republican candidates. The fact that we just reduced their taxes was I think a millstone around the neck not just of Trump but every Republican running in 2020.

          On military spending I think is out of control, and does need cuts. It isn’t the only cause but our deficit is worst than it has ever been we can’t keep spending on the military like it is 1942 and we are at war with Germany Japan and Italy. This orthodoxy should be easy to change because the military high command is a very left wing place to be.

          On Obamacare I think we are agreed although the Republicans did remove the things that people didn’t like about it (individual mandate, contraception mandate, and medical device tax) so for what it’s worth we actually won on Obamacare already.

          Changing a party orthodoxy of course isn’t easy but I think changing those 3 things are essential.

          Well, to be fair, Republicans had a very very good year down-ballot in 2020. Shockingly good, so I don’t follow how they were dragged down by the Trump tax cuts . . . unless you think that they could have won back the House without them? Not sure I agree. I don’t think that tax cuts had much to do with the election, to be honest; I haven’t seen any data to suggest that it was a priority–up or down–for voters, but it may have been. I wonder if this is just a thing you’d like to see but that may not register on a broader scale among voters? Or maybe I am not following your point?

          Yes, very glad the individual mandate is gone, and etc. Though Biden is going to reinstate all but the mandate (no way he gets that done in this climate).

          Before we start whittling away at defense, I think that we would do well to look at entitlements, particularly the big three, which really suck up a huge chunk of the budget (far more than military spending).

          Not sure we do agree on military spending. I don’t want some leftie loon from the Pentagon / Joint Chiefs hacking away at the budget and decimating our military to pre-WWII levels as they did under Obama. I want our military well-trained, well-equipped, and well-supported. The best in the world. Spending on weapons, equipment, training, R&D, etc., all that building tremendous military forces stuff–including military housing and healthcare, etc.–makes me happy.

          What I would like to see cut is the leftie loon spending on stupid crap like considering climate change a national security risk that must be accommodated by every aspect of every branch of the military; that increases the budget and does absolutely nothing to improve the military, the national debt, national security, or, for that matter, the climate. We also need to stop the endless wars and “nation building” lunacy. Trump got that right. I’d like to see the Patriot Act repealed, along with its kissing cousin the hugely wasteful and completely unnecessary Department of Homeland Security (all of it, including the TSA). I could go on, but suffice to say, I am a small-government conservative (I’d get rid of the entire Department of Education, too, heh, not military, but it is beyond useless and wasteful).

          Obviously, none of that is going to happen, but that’s the problem with picking an “orthodoxy” to change; orthodoxies aren’t as . . . well, orthodox as one might assume. Pointing at military spending is one thing, lots of people on the right can agree we overspend there, but then, we find out that not everyone agrees on what aspect/s should be scaled back or even eliminated entirely.

      Here are the things:
      I have been listening to that theory for 30 years.
      It is the GOP recommended line.
      The GOP holds their first Priority as self-preservation.
      There are many that have been in the party for their whole lives.
      There is absolutely no way you can enter that party and take it over.
      It will never happen

        Trump’s going to try. And he’s off to a good start; look at all the #NeverTrump Republicans who CHOSE to leave the party and now are outcasts, unwanted by the GOP or by the Democrats. Rumors abound that they are looking to start their own sour grapes pouty party since that’s really the only option available to them. That’s a good chunk of swamp right there . . . gone. I’m good with that, and I suspect you are, too.

        Let’s see what Trump puts together in terms of primarying GOP Congress members. I kind of think that if anyone can manage a takeover, he can. But, then again, you may be right, and it’s just not possible. Even so, I’d rather back an effort to wrest control of the party from the swamp than sit around nay-saying or stomping off to start my own party. But that’s me.

          The thing is that is a completely different battleground and does not have any effect on the Party.

          It’s not a Public entity. It’s a private club.

          There are no Elections we will ever see to elect the GOP Party Leaders.
          This is what people fail to realize.

Nikki who?……Come on man…..thought leaders that have guts are Noem, Greene, Boebert…etc. She is just another Rino and we have know it for a long time. Wonder who bought and paid for her? Ryan flake?

Paul Ryan is true evil.

Woke insurance is not available for Haley. She should not have tried to purchase it. Go look at all the negative comments from the left, they despise her now along with half the right.

Haley’s calculation is simple enough concerning her putative ’24 run. If Trump remains popular till ’24, she can’t defeat him, and it won’t matter if she supports/supported him or not, she’ll lose. Her only hope for ’24 is that Trump’s support disappears between now and 2023 (opening of campaign season) and she’s on record as far back as, ohhhh, Feb 2021, as being against him. Is she that cynical? Oh, I believe so.

    Good points, and I thought of that, but she’s still young so 2024 won’t be her only and last chance at the White House. If this was indeed her calculation and Trump actually does run (I don’t believe that he will) and win, she’s toast for all time. She’s cynical and disgusting, but . . . .

    Brave Sir Robbin in reply to Henry Hawkins. | February 13, 2021 at 9:45 pm

    Actually, if she were a smart politician, she would find a way to take over the leadership of the Trump coalition, not spit on it.

    She could become a darling of the GOPe, certainly not a sure thing because she served in the Trump administration, but the GOPe is not going to be a majority party.

    Poor political judgement. Poorer political prospects. Unplug the toaster already and save the electricity – she’s way beyond done.

    MarkSmith in reply to Henry Hawkins. | February 14, 2021 at 10:57 pm

    Maybe she is just doing this for the money? I am told that little fund for a Presidential run does wonders to the bank account.

Nikki Haley is Mark Sanford in a pantsuit. I remember her edict that all SC State employees were to answer the phone “It’s A Great Day in South Carolina!”
Stop it, Nimrata….just stop it. You are never going to curry favor(pun intended) with the left.

DieJustAsHappy | February 13, 2021 at 9:34 pm

She’s sooooooo disgusted. Quick! Someone grab a fainting couch and a camera. Make sure to capture her good side …

I’m not sure to whom this display of disgust appeals. Certainly not the 80% of GOP base voters that aren’t disgusted.

Have you ever considered that it’s not designed to appeal to anyone? Maybe she’s saying what she actually thinks.

This won’t help her in 2024, but I doubt she’s even thinking of that. If she has presidential aspirations I think they’re farther out than that. Maybe by 2028 or 2032 most R primary voters will agree with her, and maybe they won’t. Nobody can predict that so far in advance.

    Brave Sir Robbin in reply to Milhouse. | February 13, 2021 at 10:15 pm

    “Have you ever considered that it’s not designed to appeal to anyone?”

    I think you may have meant “Have you ever considered that it’s designed to not appeal to anyone?”

    Because it does not. Democrats will continue to hate her. She is a Republican and served in the Trump Administration. The GOPe will reject her because she served in the Trump administration and think she is nothing but a disloyal opportunist. The Trump GOP now despises her because to them she also comes across as a disloyal opportunist, or a cynical opportunist who does not really care about them.

    They need to make sure they unplug the toaster as they try and pull that burned up piece of toast from the slot.

    I suppose that’s possible, but what is she going to do for eight to twelve years? She’s no longer a governor or the UN ambassador or anything at all except a “former.” Formers lose political capital fast.

    The only way she can possibly remain viable politically is to run in 2024, even if she fails (and she will), she’ll at least be a “former presidential candidate” in 2028. Otherwise, come 2028 (or 2032!), she’s just a private citizen who used to be in politics back in ’18. The longer she sits on the shelf, the dustier she gets. She knows this.

      She can run for congress, or go do something and succeed at it and then campaign as a Cincinattus.

        Now you are just reaching. Lindsey Graham and Tim Scott are going nowhere, so she can’t run for Senate. I guess she could run for the House but how that helps her with a presidential bid is anyone’s guess since it’s too many steps down from her former roles as gov and UN amb. And “go do something”? Like what exactly that would set her up for the presidency after being out of politics for ten to fourteen years? That’s just silly.

          Brave Sir Robbin in reply to Fuzzy Slippers. | February 13, 2021 at 11:04 pm

          Agree. And that is her problem. She served in the Trump administration. Therefore, she is a Trumpet and cannot back away now. There is no other place to go. Therefore, if she had higher political ambitions, which seemed so, he only choice was to try and cultivate and lead the Trump coalition, or some significant portion of it, meaning raising money for candidates, writing books, speaking, getting on the cable news channels, organizing large political events, protests, and rallies, creating a Super PAC and building an multi-state organization.

          But, no. She emerges from a hole and says that Trump sucks. So, now, there is only one place left for her to go, and that’s back into the hole she just emerged from.

          If I run into her in Charleston one day, I’ll buy her a beer and listen to her stories about how she could have been a contender.

        Brave Sir Robbin in reply to Milhouse. | February 13, 2021 at 10:56 pm

        “…and then campaign as a Cincinattus.”

        Have you been to Cincinnati, lately?

    thad_the_man in reply to Milhouse. | February 13, 2021 at 11:19 pm

    No. We’ve seen enough of her to know that it is political calculation.

    caseoftheblues in reply to Milhouse. | February 14, 2021 at 5:37 am

    Apparently you know nothing about her…she’s always been an opportunist and only stands for what she thinks is going to get her ahead at that moment in time….long history of that.

    WestRock in reply to Milhouse. | February 14, 2021 at 9:49 am

    Have you ever considered that it’s not designed to appeal to anyone? Maybe she’s saying what she actually thinks.

    Are you serious? What is more appealing to an attention-seeking narcissistic sociopath than political office? It wouldn’t surprise me if the majority of politicians today check a lot of boxes in the DSM-5. It’s possible she was just speaking her mind. It is more probable that she is jockeying for position. (And we are being “ruled” by a lot of very dangerous people, if you haven’t noticed.)

    Burn_the_Witch in reply to Milhouse. | February 14, 2021 at 12:23 pm

    It’s so cute that you think a national level politician isn’t exercising a political calculus with an obviously political statement. It’s a patently stupid political calculation, but it’s definitely political.

Another candidate for the role of Jeb!/Kasich in the 2024 campaign.

Where did all these loser commenters come from?

Every day I receive donation requests from the GOP and every day I tell them that until they remove Cheney from her leadership position and start fighting as hard as Democrats, I’m not giving them a cent; and Haley knows where she can take her failed political ambitions.

Not sure that nikki is as trustworthy as heels up harris.
I think I’d rather have Jack the Ripper watching my back.

The Romney Path to nomination…. sorry …wrong party… wrong century. There are so many ways to retain the momentum of 2020, but bashing on Trump is really unforgettable… especially as time goes by. This has the feeling of buying support from the GOPe elite. Money, money, money…but whoever is pulling the strings… she is late to the payoff.

If Trump doesn’t want the job in 2024 I’m not sure the R’s have a candidate that can withstand the attacks. Nikki just torched herself. Scott Walker has been posting a lot on social media, if he just wasn’t pro illegal alien.

Who’s paying her to say this stuff? Some Dem billionaires? One or two may be looking for another fake ‘conservative’ grifter to fund after the demise of the Lincoln Project.

She can’t possibly be stupid enough to think this will help her chances of becoming the GOP nominee for POTUS in 2024. Can she?

On second thought… Maybe the arrogant elitist educated idiots who think they still run the party that nominated McCain and Romney haven’t learned a thing the last five years.

If so…..Not. Another. Dime.

    “[Haley] can’t possibly be stupid enough to think this will help her chances of becoming the GOP nominee for POTUS in 2024. Can she?”

    Yes she can. No doubt she is voicing her Franz von Papen leanings because she really does believe in open borders, gun control, and government-run healthcare. But she is also convinced that the Communists will wildly overplay their hand , and she also believes dumping on the Deplorables is a winning strategy that will bring back millions of Republican voters supposedly alienated by Trump.

    The cold reality is that if she is the GOP nominee, a combination of massive voting fraud and Republican voter antipathy will result in a blowout Republican loss. For that reason I would almost like to see her get the nomination since she has zero chance of winning the White House, and it is time for Haley and other lefties like her to take the blame for their arrogance and stupidity.

      Katy L. Stamper in reply to Recovering Lutheran. | February 14, 2021 at 6:44 pm

      So glad you’re “Recovering…”

      I would much like to agree, but everytime one of these 1/10 of 1 Percenters gets in office, the country is drug down another 1/2 mile into the dirt.

With each passing day, the GOP lurches closer to death. I think it needs to die, sadly. The GOPe folks have rotted it to the core and they will not allow any other line of thought to be heard. Just look at what Romney did to the base with his run – when the base showed up and tried to work to change things from within, Romney just changed the rules and kicked those people out of committees, etc.

Kiss it goodbye Nikki. You might ought to find another career. You just took the political pill that ends your political career.

A conniving little creature–and thus just another politician. She’s positioning herself for 2024. But Nikki–don’t look for my vote in 2024,because you just lost it.

She’s just working to push PDT off the stage, so she can get to the top spot. It’s just too obvious.

Interesting to see who the vultures are, circling so quickly, exposing themselves and burning bridges before. Premature actions they may come to regret.

Everyone is piling on Haley, but the reality is that Trump was his own worst enemy. He lost the election in the first debate, with his tweets, with his general jerkness. Peace in the Middle East? A Secure Border? A Booming Economy? He did not lose the election because of his policies. In 2024, the GOP has to have someone who will pursue Trump’s policy agenda without the negatives he brought with him. Who would that be?

    Ron DeSantis? Kristi Noem?

    I suspect Donald Trump, Jr. is considering a 2024 bid.

    It’s early days, but it sure won’t be Haley.

      Brave Sir Robbin in reply to Fuzzy Slippers. | February 14, 2021 at 12:54 am

      “I suspect Donald Trump, Jr. is considering a 2024 bid.”

      I do not support political dynasties. Bushes, Kennedys, Clintons. Nope, once mommy or daddy has held and office, no siblings, children, aunts, uncles, cousins, in-laws, step children, adopted children, grandfathers, grandmothers, grandchildren, mistresses, lovers, live ins, significant others…. You get the drift. This country is not an oligarchy or aristocracy. No political dynasties. Make your kids earn an honest living.

        While I completely agree with your dislike of political dynasties, this country has developed a political caste. Essentially a hereditary oligarchy. It isn’t completely closed off, yet, but is getting there.
        Look at the “early life” and “personal” Wikipedia entries on these people. You will find your wonderful list.

          Brave Sir Robbin in reply to lichau. | February 14, 2021 at 11:08 am

          Agree with you and you make my point. We are developing a closed political system with a closed ruling caste. The nation has never been free from this. But it should not be tolerated. I like DJ JR., but, sorry. His dad was president. Maybe he should run for governor someplace. But not for high federal office.

        Katy L. Stamper in reply to Brave Sir Robbin. | February 14, 2021 at 6:45 pm

        Don Trump, Jr. isn’t Hunter Biden.

        Wake up.

    caseoftheblues in reply to rprevost. | February 14, 2021 at 5:45 am

    Right….sure…Trump “lost” cause of the reasons you cited…and Biden “won” despite being a half wit and on the grift for 40 years and accomplishing nothing and espousing America way last policies and hiding in his basement for the last year…it had nothing to do with “the most extensive and diverse voter fraud operation ever assembled”…America hated doing well and wanted a mid stage dementia patient who promised to utterly to destroy us…yup THAT’S what happened.

    Burn_the_Witch in reply to rprevost. | February 14, 2021 at 12:26 pm

    Trump’s approval rating was on par with Obama’s at reelection time, so the data doesn’t really support your guesswork.

    henrybowman in reply to rprevost. | February 14, 2021 at 5:34 pm

    “He lost the election in the first debate, with his tweets, with his general jerkness. Peace in the Middle East? A Secure Border? A Booming Economy? He did not lose the election because of his policies.”

    If my doctor cures my cancer, he can date sheep in his spare time for all I care.

    To succeed in the world, it is not enough to be stupid — you must also be well-mannered.

Geoffrey Britain | February 14, 2021 at 3:20 am

Napoleon’s advise is particularly relevant;

“Never interfere with an enemy when they are committed to making a fatal mistake”

2024 is a long way off. It will be interesting to see how the mid terms turn out. GOPe has the leadership and big donors. Trump has the base. Personally, I’m not motivated to vote for GOPe candidates. The old argument about vote for me because the Dems are worse is not convincing me anymore.

    caseoftheblues in reply to r2468. | February 14, 2021 at 5:50 am

    Do you and many of the other posters honestly believe there are ever going to be fair and free elections AGAIN?!?….Exactly why do you think they wont do again and in fact make sure they get the supermajority in the Senate. There is zero evidence to suggest they won’t. There were absolutely NO repercussions for doing it against Trump…and the GOP helped them. It’s over buddy and half the people on this board are delusional if they think its not.

Whenever mainstream or lefty outlets report on anything it is a good thing to adopt a do not trust—make sure to verify attitude.

The Niki Haley quotes seem to be from a Politico piece named Nikki Haley’s Time for Choosing. The interview questions are reported (no telling how that reflects the actual questions or even the conversation) and quotation marks seem to indicate that the reported answers are verbatim. Even if that is so, we do not know what was left on the cutting floor or if the order of the snippets exihbited is unchanged.

Personally, I think Ms Haley is a neocon and not the right choice to move forward. But let’s not trust the media to have the best interests of America or the GOP at heart.

    felixrigidus in reply to felixrigidus. | February 14, 2021 at 6:29 am

    The Politico piece starts thusly:

    “KIAWAH ISLAND, S.C. – Late last year, Nikki Haley had a friend who was going through a hard time. He had lost his job and was being evicted from his house. He was getting bad advice from bad people who were filling his head with self-destructive fantasies. He seemed to be losing touch with reality. Out of concern, Haley called the man. “I want to make sure you’re okay,” she told him. “You’re my president, but you’re also my friend.”
    At the time of Haley’s call, Donald Trump—her “friend”—had spent much of the previous month refusing to concede defeat in an election he clearly lost, opting instead to delegitimize the institutions of government that upheld the result, indulge in outlandish conspiracy theories and generally subvert the country’s 244-year-old democratic norms. Republican leaders who possessed the credibility to dispute these claims publicly and exert a counterinfluence over the GOP electorate had chosen not to. Haley was among those who kept quiet.

    If I had to guess it is not intended to help the GOP or America. Its author it Tim Alberta. Benedict Arnold Online swoons

    Tim Alberta is the chief political correspondent for Politico. Before that, he worked for National Review, National Journal, and other august publications.

    Mediaite reports that Alberta has helped with the Democrat 2020 primaries and now has landed a job at the Atlantic. Should anyone assume he is hoping to help create a GOP that prioritizes America over the Neocon and Chamber of Commerce agenda?

      henrybowman in reply to felixrigidus. | February 14, 2021 at 5:45 pm

      “You’re my president, but you’re also my friend.”

      “in an interview published Friday, saying that she was “disgusted” by his conduct”

      What a caring, nurturing woman. Clearly a disciple of Holy Saint Hillary.

She’s going after the women’s vote.

Nikki reminds me of “low energy” Jeb. I don’t see her having mega rallies.

Well, you’re wrong, Nikki — now, as relates to both the 2022 midterms and the 2024 presidential election cycles; and so, politically speaking, Governor, goodbye.

Actually, in any case, see ya. We simply don’t need, because we tend to weaken and founder with your kind — a breed that in our view is pretty much toast, and history.

Man, I really liked Haley, when she was President Trump’s U.N. ambassador. She was great in that role.

Now, she rewards Trump’s selection of her to serve in a plumb, résumé-enhancing position that gave her valuable foreign policy experience, by throwing him under the bus, in order to ostensibly curry favor with the fanatical and deranged Trump-hating media and Dhimmi-crats, in order to transparently advance her career.

Like Ben Sasse, Haley has revealed herself to be a transparently greasy, self-promoting, narcissistic and unprincipled sell-out.

Here’s the reality — any so-called “Republican” or “conservative” who spends time and energy bashing Trump, after witnessing the unprecedented and outrageous display of Dhimmi-crat lawlessness, subversion, sabotage and undermining of Trump and his Administration, over five years (beginning when he was a candidate) and, the ongoing, Maoist, totalitarian purges of, and, vilification of, conservative Americans, is missing the big picture and doesn’t understand where the battle is, in this country.

If you’re not fighting against the Dhimmi-crats’ brazen and gleeful totalitarianism and vindictiveness, you’ve disqualified yourself.

    WestRock in reply to guyjones. | February 14, 2021 at 9:57 am

    Can I add some important qualifying principals that the ideal candidate(s) must swear to embrace, support, and uphold?

    • America First
    • American Sovereignty
    • Complete Allegiance to the Constitution and Bill of Rights
    • An end to Inclusionary/Exclusionary Programs
    • America First

Nikki, I think that’s up to the millions of GOP voters who — and I know math is hard — outnumber you.

She is running on the Harris/Haley Uniparty ticket in 2024

Just discarded one Nikki Haley.

Trump won the election in 2016 by less than 100,000 votes while running against one of the worst and most despicable candidates. He then lost in 2020 against a man who can’t think and who spent the campaign in a basement. Do you really think that Trump represents the future? Be thankful for what he accomplished—I am. Now it’s time to look to the future. Ad hominem attacks against Nikki Haley are not going to help OUR cause.

    guyjones in reply to Stuytown. | February 14, 2021 at 4:55 pm

    You’re way off the mark. It’s not even remotely an ad hominem attack to observe — fairly and factually — that Haley’s critique of Trump: 1) is not grounded in reality; 2) is transparently self-serving and opportunistic; 3) is disloyal and the behavior of a complete ingrate; and, 4) is myopic in the extreme, given that the pressing political issue and outrage of our time are the Dhimmi-crats’ increasingly unabashed and destructive totalitarian antics and behavior.

    Haley has no reason to show anything but complete and total gratitude and loyalty to Trump, for his having selected her to serve as U.N. ambassador. And, her contrived outrage directed at Trump should appropriately be directed at the Dhimmi-crats, for their five years of subversion and sabotage against Trump, for their support of goose-stepping rioters, looters, murderers and synagogue vandals, and, for their continued purges of, and vilification of all Americans who possess the temerity to reject Dhimmi-crat orthodoxies.

So guyjones, Donald Trump deserves absolutely no blame for the attack on the Capitol, the behavior of some of his supporters, or the general lowering of the level of discourse in this country? Don’t give me any whataboutism here. I voted for him twice. But Nikki Haley served him faithfully and honorably for two years during a period of serious instability in his close staff. She was a stabilizing force and probably represented the US in the UN better than anyone previous. To absolve Trump of all responsibility for his actions and to refer to anyone who faults Trump for his often moronic behavior as a RINO is both wrong and is just not the way to take back power. In this thread there are references to Nikki Haley and Mitch McConnell as a RINOs. Really? Must all Republicans now pledge allegiance to Donald Trump now and forever? Don’t make him your god.

    guyjones in reply to Stuytown. | February 16, 2021 at 12:06 pm

    You’re an utter fool. Trump isn’t my “God” — I’ve criticized Trump in the past, but, you’re totally missing the point; evincing ignorance, foolishness and myopia.

    Here’s the salient issue, you foolish dolt — what is the greater outrage, and, deserving of conservatives’ energy and efforts — a single day of misbehavior by a small band of conservatives , or, six-plus months of wanton violence, murders, destruction of neighborhoods, desecration of synagogues, committed by the Dhimmi-crats’ goose-stepping thugs in “Anti-fa” and in “Black Lives Matter — conduct which was enabled, praise and lionized by the Dhimmi-crat leadership. Combined with the Dhimmi-crats’ Maoist and totalitarian efforts to vilify, cow, silence and punish conservative and dissenting voices across the land, THIS is where the struggle lies, idiot — not in wringing your hands over a single, insignificant day of violence committed by a small band of conservatives who were roundly condemned by Party leadership, including Trump (who had done nothing to instigate this, as rational minds acknowledge).

    guyjones in reply to Stuytown. | February 16, 2021 at 12:07 pm

    You should be kicked out of Stuy Town, for rank stupidity.

    guyjones in reply to Stuytown. | February 16, 2021 at 12:13 pm

    And, nobody ever stated or suggested, here, that Trump is beyond criticism, idiot. Don’t put words in my mouth, imbecile. Trump’s come under plenty of criticism on this website, and, I’ve criticized his remarks, in the past.

    Here’s the distinction, genius — it’s the timing of Haley’s criticism; the transparently self-serving nature of it; and, the fact that Haley doesn’t care that Dhimmi-crats are purging and punishing conservatives nationwide, that makes her criticism foolish and myopic. It’s not where any so-called “conservative” politician’s energy should be directed, in the current environment.

“Trump has fallen too far to have a future with the GOP. All my GOP friends and associates in DC agree that they want no more of him.
“The voters? Who are they?”

Haley is a Sasse-type of Republican. A few years doing some good here and there, but then shows she has more in common with the Jebs and the Romneys of the GOP. I suspected this on how she handled the Confederate flag in her state of SC. I have more faith in Tulsi Gubbard, who is a Democrat and who no longer holds a public office job, than Haley.