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Schumer Calls McConnell’s Filibuster Request ‘Unacceptable’

Schumer Calls McConnell’s Filibuster Request ‘Unacceptable’

With a split Senate, Schumer and McConnell are still working out a power-sharing arrangement.

https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/1352641773760356352

The Democrats and Republicans split the Senate 50-50, but Democrats have a slight majority since Vice President Kamala Harris holds the tie-breaking vote.

But what about the filibuster? That is one topic Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer and Minority Leader Mitch McConnell must decide in their power-sharing agreement discussions.

McConnell asked Schumer and the Democrats to “provide a guarantee that they would not eliminate the legislative filibuster” while proposing President Donald Trump’s impeachment trial starts in February.

Schumer said no.

The decision does not mean Schumer is nuking the filibuster. He just said he rejected McConnell’s request.

To McConnell’s credit, he is consistent when it comes to the filibuster and legislation.

The chamber needs 60 senators to consider and vote on legislation.

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McConnell suddenly wakes the fuck up and starts fighting when HIS personal power is threatened.

    Not. My. Government.

    Whose government is it? Communist China’s.

    buck61 in reply to Olinser. | January 22, 2021 at 8:36 pm

    if he wanted to save his personal power he would have spent every day in Georgia after the general trying to get at least one senator elected

      To give him the benefit of the doubt: McConnell is a disaster.

      But to to give us the benefit of the doubt: McConnell his scumbag wife are treasonous bastards beholden to a communist nation now ruling us because of the likes of these 2 treasonous bastards.

      To give the Republican party the benefit of the doubt: we need to walk away from it so it dies on the vine.

      But to give us the benefit of the doubt: we need to walk away from what once was America, so we can be free and safe.

        I will never vote straight ticket Republican ever again in my life, and no amount of concern trolls whining about OMG YOU LET DEMOCRAT WIN will change that.

        They have to EARN our votes.

        I’m sick to fucking death of these RINO pieces of shit that do ABSOLUTELY NOTHING in their entire fucking careers except feed at the trough, and the minute they think they don’t need our votes their real personalities come out.

        I’m done. Never again.

          Danny in reply to Olinser. | January 23, 2021 at 1:29 am

          You do realize this article shows Mitch McConnell is fighting for the filibuster something that only matters if he intends to stop Biden’s agenda but who needs facts when you could be furious at imaginary traitors.

          henrybowman in reply to Olinser. | January 23, 2021 at 3:39 am

          “intends to stop Biden’s agenda”

          No it doesn’t indicate that in the least. He just wants leverage to keep his own seat at the table.

          CaliforniaJimbo in reply to Olinser. | January 23, 2021 at 3:23 pm

          Everyone should earn your vote. Always scrutinize the candidates regardless of D or R.

        These lies and slanders calling someone a traitor because you refuse to accept that the election was lost and are granting an imaginary enemy (in this case McConnell but Trump has also picked Brian Kemp and Mike Pence to pretend are villains) imaginary power to overturn elections is not fighting.

        Treason is not something McConnell has ever committed, and as for party loyalty he is trying to save the filibuster in order to block Biden’s agenda from becoming law.

        But of course you need to pretend he is a traitor.

        Why stop at communist China, why not bring out the big guns with Adolph Hitler himself, if you are going to use hyperbole like traitor?

          ConradCA in reply to Danny. | January 24, 2021 at 3:31 pm

          McConnell could have killed Obama’s agreement to guarantee that Iran acquired nuclear tipped ICBMs by asserting that the agreement was a treaty requiring Senate ratification. That shows that he isn’t interested in saving the country or stopping the Dems.

        henrybowman in reply to TheFineReport.com. | January 23, 2021 at 3:41 am

        You keep harping on this secession idea in almost every post, in an almost trollish fashion.
        Secession is retreat. Retreat is not victory, it’s a delaying tactic. If you don’t have any better tactic to apply after retreat fails — and it will fail — you’ve only reduced your resources while you’ve delayed your own defeat.

      Danny in reply to buck61. | January 23, 2021 at 1:32 am

      You do realize Trump’s lies about the election being stolen are what caused the two runoffs to go to democrats right?

        Burn_the_Witch in reply to Danny. | January 23, 2021 at 1:43 am

        Do you have some data that supports this claim?

        What are you, John Brennan’s new water carrier? Or are you still wiping the psychpath’s behind?

        But don’t worry: keep pushing their bullshit dutifully, and you’ll get that ass wiping position yet. And if you that well, they’ll let you work up to using toilet paper instead of just your bare hands. Do that well, and a water carrier place for you will be ensured.

        Btw, if you have a serious health problem, first stop should be Jill ‘Dr. Pepper’ Biden’s office. You deserve her fake medical case.

        20keto20 in reply to Danny. | January 23, 2021 at 6:36 am

        And your purpose in that post is to spread the fairy dust over the election in hopes that everyone will accept that Biden was selected for the good of the country? If the election results were free and fair (not just from the Socialist standpoint), why were observers surreptitiously sent home from critical polling places or the windows boldly covered to keep observers from seeing what was going on in the wee hours of 11/4/20? The optics alone are enough to cause severe doubt in the minds of patriotic Americans. Couple that with the amazing predictive powers of Nancy Pelosi (she foresaw in early 2019 the need for mail-in ballots in the 2020 enough so that she included it in the FIRST piece of legislation presented by the 116th House. The Senate never imagined either the evils that lurked in that bill. The courts never took a glance at the Constitution to see the footprints covering it like an American flag used as a road covering at an AntiFA rally.
        One thing for sure, at around 2am on 11/4/2020, democracy was replaced by Socialism in the US. Our cries to the UN about free elections in other countries will now fall on deaf ears. As long as we pass out ballots like Santa throws candy in Christmas parades, this will be our plight!

        JusticeDelivered in reply to Danny. | January 23, 2021 at 8:04 am

        Danny, are you one of Hillary’s, now Biden-Ho Harris deplorables?

      Brave Sir Robbin in reply to buck61. | January 23, 2021 at 10:43 pm

      “if he wanted to save his personal power he would have spent every day in Georgia after the general trying to get at least one senator elected”

      Seriously – would you want Mitch McConnel campaigning for you?

    Exactly.

    artichoke in reply to Olinser. | January 23, 2021 at 6:19 pm

    He doesn’t care much. If he did, he would have supported Trump rather than stabbing him in the back, which in turn increased turmoil in the Georgia runoffs.

    Of course he got money on the side thru the Chinese, and probably only got reelected himself because of Dominion, so there are always reasons for “inexplicable” behavior. But not excuses.

Watch how the discussion moves toward common ground. The fillibuster can be preserved, yes, but the prospect of another Trump administration must be erased. 17 votes, Mitch. 17 votes, and you can keep your fillibuster. For now.

    Which 17 Republican senators want to end their political careers? Step right up!

      Paddy M in reply to UJ. | January 22, 2021 at 7:25 pm

      The Uniparty requires a sacrifice and Mitch is the lecherous POS to demand it. I’m ashamed that he’s one of my Senators.

        Danny in reply to Paddy M. | January 23, 2021 at 1:28 am

        So Mitch McConnell fighting for the fillibuster the only chance of stopping Biden’s agenda from becoming law and preventing the democrats from adding senate seats to give themselves a permanent majority makes him a traitor?

        You very clearly don’t care about any policy, if Trump ran as a post birth abortion guy you would support him right because Trump is all that matters?

      JusticeDelivered in reply to UJ. | January 22, 2021 at 8:05 pm

      Yep, step up, we are looking to take scalps. Plan on early retirement.

      stevewhitemd in reply to UJ. | January 22, 2021 at 8:18 pm

      If they get 17, none of those 17 will be up for re-election in 2022. The ones who vote ‘yes’ will be those up in 2024 or 2026, and will hope that time will induce amnesia.

      artichoke in reply to UJ. | January 23, 2021 at 6:20 pm

      It seems like a decisive issue now, but for someone with 4 or 6 years left, will it be decisive then? It’s a terrible thought, but a true one.

    fscarn in reply to Aggie. | January 22, 2021 at 8:55 pm

    17 of the GOP senators is 34%. Seems a tall order, but Mittens and Mitch will do their best to round them up.

    Danny in reply to Aggie. | January 23, 2021 at 1:27 am

    This pretending that Republicans are about to convict the president aimed at getting yourself and others angry at the wrong target is useful how and lying became acceptable when exactly?

      20keto20 in reply to Danny. | January 23, 2021 at 6:54 am

      The simple fact of the matter is that there is really just one party in Washington. Their loyalty is not to party, country or Constitution but to their own wallet. Sure, some of them go to DC with good intentions but, for the most part, they are lured early on into the halls of K Street and, once there, are blackmailed in perpetuity. It is no wonder that a large majority of those in Congress enter as upper middle class citizens only to become part of the one percenters in a few short terms (very few for Senators). Their tax returns are the ones I would like to see. Some are initially elected with a personal understanding of the “ways of the elected” (Nancy Pelosi and Mitt Romney are two that came from political machines) and knew from an early age the benefits and methods of success. Sad but true.
      This political divide is not new. It likely began with the 1963-1968 Kennedy murders. Our “intelligence agencies” have been corrupt since then (and before). Sad but true.

Of China Mitch is your Senator form a group and protest his offices and houses every freaking
Day

    Danny in reply to gonzotx. | January 23, 2021 at 1:31 am

    Uncivilized behavior being directed towards someone on your team fighting to prevent an agenda you voted against from being passed into law is neither good behavior nor intelligent behavior.

      henrybowman in reply to Danny. | January 23, 2021 at 3:45 am

      It’s not my team, precisely because when we most needed them to fight, they didn’t. Doesn’t matter how many times you pee down my back by posting this trash, I’m not going to believe it’s raining.

      Mcconnell is on The D.C. Scumbags team: he hasn’t won a game for us yet. Rather, he’s thrown them. And we know at the behest of who.

        Please. He kept Merrick Garland off the Supreme Court and got Cavanaugh and ACB on. That’s not nothing

          alaskabob in reply to NYBruin. | January 23, 2021 at 12:12 pm

          So far it is a big fat nothing. The court had the opportunity to pause the election fiasco but they knew it would legally wind up with a different outcome and punted. Now they will be diminished by packing. They deserve that but we dont.

          I think this is really the crux of the situation. The American people voted overwhelmingly for Trump, including a whole host of new voters among the demographics staked out by Democrats as their own personal voting puppets. The problem is that the four years of constant Trump bashing that didn’t budge the people’s support for Trump did work exceedingly well on our nation’s elites, including judges and even SCOTUS justices. In a weird inversion of the typical use of propaganda, the Democrats’ activist media told lie after lie, even when it was patently obvious they were lying, until they got their desired result: widespread, kneejerk loathing of Trump among our ruling classes.

          That we, the people, elected Trump (I think overwhelmingly) didn’t matter because the whole deep state and all three branches of government (with obvious exceptions in Congress) were allied against him, more so by 2020 than they were in 2016 when the “insurance policy” consisted of Russian disinfo, exerting the power of the Executive, the FBI, FISA courts, etc. to ensure Hillary won, and after she lost, that Trump wouldn’t have a minute’s peace from the domestic onslaught from his own executive branch subordinates, from Democrats, from the media, from the leftist loons wearing “pussy hats” and hand maiden costumes, from the antifa and BLM hordes unleashed to make him appear weak (he handled that amazingly well, and it largely backfired on the left), and from the host of outright lies told about him and his policies.

          Comey, Brennan, all the corrupt Obama-era officials across government pushed false information, spread unsubstantiated rumors, and invented outright lies to undermine Trump. We normies saw through it (thus Trump’s steady support from Republican and other Trump voters), but it worked on those in power. They probably truly believe that depriving the people of the president they actually elected is somehow patriotic, a service to the nation, a salvation of “democracy”(!?), and etc., but what it really is is a subversion of our Constitution and the disenfranchisement of 75 million American voters so the real powers that be can preen amongst themselves of that close call that was Trump’s second term. We were over-ruled by unelected, self-important bureaucrats and judges/justices who think they know what is best for us. This is not a good place for America to be; it’s not even recognizable as America.

Nice to see the d wailing about ‘norms and traditions’ being too important to violate is holding up post elections. (Sarcasm)

I wrote a term paper for Gov 101 in 1960, “Should Rule XXII be Dropped?” about getting rid of the filibuster. It was debatable back then, but back then there were gentlemen’s agreements between the parties and blocking Senate action was less necessary.

Gentlemen’s agreements ended with Gore 2000.

If Cornyn votes to impeach, he should resign.

    Cornyn was just re-elected. He considers himself ruling class, and is a close ally of McConnell. He’ll be thinking he has 6 full years to mend fences and pretend he isn’t a lizard. His opponent this time was a walking nightmare, and he didn’t face any real primary opponents. He’ll vote impeachment if he thinks the odds will let him, watch him do it.

Personally I don’t give a hoot in Hades about the filibuster. The whole “debate” seems like political kabuki. Even if the GOP still had the majority they would not even be a speed bump to the Biden* administration’s agenda.

At any rate, if McConnell really thinks he will have any power to negotiate as the leader of the Franz von Papen Republicans – let alone return to the majority in 2022 on a wave of voter discontent – then he is utterly delusional. Someone needs to explain to Mitch that Communists don’t do the “free and fair” election thingy.

    The GOP was great at blocking GOP platforms…you got to give them that.

    That lie proven from the way a GOP senate majority approved Obama’s replacement when a conservatice supreme court justice died, their preventing a single Obama judge being confirmed when they won the senate, and rejecting every single Obama legislative agenda.

    On planet Earth the filibuster would block a very large portion of Biden’s agenda from ever taking effect.

    On planet Recovering Lutheran they wouldn’t even be a speedbump if they had the senate.

      Burn_the_Witch in reply to Danny. | January 23, 2021 at 1:46 am

      Yes yes, Danny, and do go on regaling us with the GOP victories in repealing Obamacare, reducing the size and scope of government, or really anything from their platform other than some corporate tax cuts.

        Danny, are you one of those $15/hour minimum wage people? You appear to believe that if only the rate bumped up, then poverty would be solved. The fact that the few jobs left by the pandemic lockdowns (the fast food/grocery store entry level positions) will shrivel gives you zero pause. Think back to the Obama administration when Bernie first pushed that initiative and recall one of the first changes to the fast food industry instituted by McDonalds–the installation of kiosks and phone apps for ordering. You probably thought it was put in to speed up service. Maybe, but only partly. Kiosks and apps are one-time expenses. They don’t make $15/hr. Ronald knew that $15/hr would break his bank or force his prices to rise sharply so he immediately sought ways to combat the raid on profits.
        Historically, every rise in minimum wage has led to an increase in unemployment. Companies are not in business to keep the wages of their least skilled workers up, they are in business to make a profit. On a similar tack, some complain that college grads are being forced into jobs in the fast food industry. It would be interesting to see a study done on the employment and salary levels of college grads over the last 20 years by major, by area of residence/major employers in that area and cross-referenced with employment levels in the area.
        What good is a 4 year college degree if it qualifies you for only a fast food position? I fault the colleges for a lot of their problems. They have added these “feel good” majors that have no productive value in society other than to help the “student” feel good about their plight. How good do they feel with a degree in hand (and for some, a huge debt amassed)? Income is NOT determined by a sheepskin. I have seen young people who were forced into taking Chemistry, Physics, Calculus and foreign languages who have become financially successful as plumbers, mechanics, electricians, welders, HVAC techs before their counterparts walked across the stage to pick up their sheepskin. There is no shame in honest work. If anything, the young people who seek these careers will find themselves in such demand that they can not only determine their own hours but make as much OR MORE than their “de-greed” counterparts!

      artichoke in reply to Danny. | January 23, 2021 at 6:37 pm

      It matters, HOW he died. He had help.

I don’t know whether anyone else has noticed, but I will tell you that for the last year Schumer has shown increasing signs of senility.
The entire Democratic Party is in the hands of angry, near senile white old people that despise white Americans and the white founders of the nation….and they don’t know why. They are leading a pack of angry radicals, racists, illegal immigrants, crazed sexual perverts, misfits, fat angry women, and other oddballs.
With a Federal government whose primary law enforcement and revenue arms are controlled by totally corrupt individuals and union heads.
This will not end well…..

    It’s really in the hands of Pelosi (or at least she thinks it is). She is truly a madwoman. Her goal is Pelosi, our nation be damned.

    henrybowman in reply to puhiawa. | January 23, 2021 at 3:49 am

    “The entire Democratic Party is in the hands of angry, near senile white old people that despise white Americans and the white founders of the nation….and they don’t know why.”

    That’s not my take. The Democratic Party Leadership is a bunch of near senile old white people who know that if they weren’t throwing a sufficient number of bones to the truly crazy communist and anarchist leftists in the party, they’d already be out of power and the crazies would be in.

      artichoke in reply to henrybowman. | January 23, 2021 at 6:41 pm

      I could be wrong … but I think Biden will be less-bad than we’re expecting.

      He’s spent his whole life chasing this job, he may not last one term or not long after, this is his stage to do as he’s always dreamed. He’ll be hard for his handlers to control.

      Before inauguration he acted all bumbling and said he’d step aside for Harris. LIKE HELL. That was the last we’ll see of Harris for a long time. If we don’t respect her, what makes you think he does? Her only value is that he had to take her, and she’s an insurance policy against him getting bumped off or put in via the 25th, because she clearly has no capacity to do the job.

      But Biden, he’s a terrible guy, but he is a world-class politician and power player. He didn’t last 47 years in politics by being soft and friendly. And now he doesn’t have to suck up to Obama. Now it’s his turn. And he was never a far-leftist until he had to take Obama’s crap and pretend to like it.

I don’t care what they do. McConnell and the GOP do not represent us, they work together with the democrats to destroy America.

We need everyone to stop supporting them. Don’t vote for them, don’t buy from them. Spend your money with those on your side. I know it’s impossible to completely eliminate them but we can do much better that we currently do. Don’t twitter, don’t facebook, don’t google, don’t use amazon for starters.

    Danny in reply to Barry. | January 23, 2021 at 1:29 am

    You mean like when they prevented any part of Obama’s agenda from becoming law?

      Burn_the_Witch in reply to Danny. | January 23, 2021 at 1:44 am

      You mean you didn’t hear of the PPACA, colloquially known as Obamacare? It was in all the papers.

        It was also mostly concocted by a Democrat-led House and passed by a Democrat majority Senate, after Senate majority leader Harry Reid nuked it through (via the Reid Rule) because McConnell blocked it under Senate rules. Democrats lost the House in 2010, but held the Senate until 2014.

          henrybowman in reply to Fuzzy Slippers. | January 23, 2021 at 3:52 am

          And then in 2016, the GOP owned the entire government for two years, during which they did dick to repeal it.

          Those two years were the big neon sign that showed their voters what “their” party really thought of them, as well as the promises they made to them.

          They didn’t repeal it because three GOP sens refused to vote for it when it came over from the GOP House, the rest all would have done so. Being upset with Collins, Murkowski, and McCain makes sense (well, McCain is dead now, so kind of pointless, but the other two, understandable), claiming the entire GOP failed is a huge exaggeration. I can understand being upset with the voters who keep electing these progressive Republicans, including Romney, but that’s not on the party, either.

          henrybowman in reply to Fuzzy Slippers. | January 23, 2021 at 5:18 am

          I’m not a federal virgin… I know how parties count votes before the actual vote, and make sure that legislators in tough distiricts get to vote the way their constituents want, and enough “safe” legislators are found to vote the other way, the way their party leadership wants.

          henrybowman in reply to Fuzzy Slippers. | January 23, 2021 at 5:19 am

          And, by the way, as a past “constituent” of McCain, I can tell you his repeated nominations are ALL on the party. McCain’s dead hand STILL controls the throttle of the Arizona GOP.

          I was horrified when Sarah Palin kept endorsing and campaigning for him. That REALLY helped him during the Tea Party years. Ugh. So much blame to go around. 🙁

          “And then in 2016, the GOP owned the entire government for two years, during which they did dick to repeal it.

          Those two years were the big neon sign that showed their voters what “their” party really thought of them, as well as the promises they made to them.”

          Amen, amen, and amen.

          It’s good to see you back, Mr. Bowman.

          Burn_the_Witch in reply to Fuzzy Slippers. | January 23, 2021 at 2:57 pm

          Mrs. Slippers,

          This is mediocre excuse-making. Along with what Henry pointed out about how the Senate works (which you also well know), there is the fact that we gave the GOP the whole ball of wax twice in 20 years and what did they do to reduce the size and scope of government? We got the largest increases under their watch the nation has ever seen.

          As has been said elsewhere, the TEA party was the voters asking nicely. Trump was the warning. The third time is going to be the voters telling the GOP to go pound sand. I’m already seeing the copy+paste e-mails asking me for money to “fight the liberal agenda”. No sale.

          Well, the “whole ball of wax” would be a supermajority in both houses of Congress plus the WH. That’s pretty much bullet-proof in terms of passing what the majority party wants passed . . . at least in theory. But it is not a given; our Founders were very very smart, and they set up a system that purposefully hampers swift passage of whatever the whim of the day is.

          Obama had literal supermajorities in both houses of Congress for the first yearish of his presidency (until Teddy up and died on him and Scott Brown was elected as the 41st vote to block ObamaCare), and what did Obama actually get passed into law? ONE thing. An onerous, horrendous disaster, granted, but even his single legislative accomplishment, ObamaCare, would have been impossible without Reid invoking the nuclear option to bypass the minority GOP objections. It was passed without a single Republican vote in either House. And it is crap to this very day (though it’s better now that Trump got rid of the mandate).

          What else did Obama do with his supermajorities? Nothing. Not one thing legislatively. That’s why he whined that he wished he could be like a Chinese commie dictator. That’s why he chirped about his “pen and phone.” That’s why he didn’t grant amnesty to tens of millions of illegals, that’s why he didn’t do the long long laundry list of agenda items he campaigned on, and that’s why he disappointed the socialist/commie base who to this day call him a “centrist,” if you can imagine!

          I know very well that you know all this, but my point may not be as clear. If Obama couldn’t ram through a unified government (with supermajorities in the House for two years and in the Senate until January 2010) his “fundamental transformation,” what on earth makes you think the GOP can? I seriously don’t get this line of thinking at all. Sure, if Obama had pushed through his agenda, even the bulk of it, when he had supermajorities in both Houses, okay, sure, we can call the GOP whatever we want. But the fact is that majorities don’t mean much when you are herding cats (for Dems it was the Blue Dogs vs. the Liberals v.s the progressives, & etc., and for the GOP, it was the conservatives vs. the neo-cons vs. the progressives, & etc.

          Even when Scott Brown won as the 41st vote, that still left Reid with a very comfortable Senate majority, so why didn’t Obama get more stuff done? We know why, right? The House was in GOP hands as of Jan. 2011, and the Dem hold on the Senate was eaten into big time that same year. The Senate minority, led by McConnell, was relentless in stopping whatever the Dems tried to do, as did the House GOP when they were in the minority (from ’09 to ’11).

          In other words, the GOP did fight the Obama agenda. He passed ONE thing legislatively; all the other things he did were administrative (via the executive alphabet agencies and EO). Don’t get me wrong, he did great damage, but much of it could be and was undone by Trump (as Trump’s pen and phone stuff has been and will continue to be undone by Biden).

          In short, Congressional majorities are good to have (supermajorities are even better, but still no guarantee as we saw under Obama), but they do not mean that the majority party can get its agenda passed. This applied with Obama, and yes, sadly, it applied with Trump. Happily for us, unless Schumer nukes the filibuster, it will apply with Biden (and with Harris when she takes over).

          Burn_the_Witch in reply to Fuzzy Slippers. | January 23, 2021 at 6:22 pm

          You seem fixated on what Obama wasn’t able to accomplish legislatively, while ignoring what I actually said.

          Was Obama president for the last 20 years? What did conservatives get for their “investment” in voting GOP during the Bush years? How about during the Trump years? After the election, we got the usual comprehensive immigration garbage the GOP has been spewing all the way back to Bush.

          I’m old enough to remember the GOP saying they couldn’t do anything without the House. So we gave them the House. Then it was “But, the Senate!” And we gave them the Senate. “But, the Presidency!” And then what happened?

          “If Obama couldn’t ram through a unified government (with supermajorities in the House for two years and in the Senate until January 2010) his “fundamental transformation,” what on earth makes you think the GOP can? I seriously don’t get this line of thinking at all.”

          Really? I find that difficult to believe. Nothing of consequence in the GOP platforms polls poorly, yet under the GOP’s watch, we get outrageous spending and increases in the size and scope of government. If I wanted that, I’d just vote Democrat. How is this so hard to understand?

          [Please note, my comment is, once again, not limited to Obamacare, or even Obama.]

          artichoke in reply to Fuzzy Slippers. | January 23, 2021 at 6:55 pm

          It is NOT an exaggeration to say the whole GOP failed. Dems have 100% party discipline. For 4 years Schumer was able to get 100% compliance when it mattered, on the disgusting and explicit agenda of “resistance” against the duly elected president.

          Republicans are weak. On the verge of victory, they pull back. There’s always some reason why they don’t break thru. And when they do (electing Trump), the sabotage it down the line.

          If the Republicans are always this way, it’s their character. And don’t think only those 3 are bad. If one of them goes down, another will pop up. Usually someone recently reelected, with many years until next time they face the voters.

          McConnell for example. Recently reelected (with Dominion’s help, if preelection polling is right) he’s got 6 years, so it’s his turn to be a jerk. Dems do this too. Sherrod Brown was a wishy washy middle of the roader until reelected in 2018, now he’s a radical leftist. Even Joe Manchin’s showing his true colors.

          It was also mostly concocted by a Democrat-led House and passed by a Democrat majority Senate, after Senate majority leader Harry Reid nuked it through (via the Reid Rule) because McConnell blocked it under Senate rules.

          No, Fuzzy, that did not happen. Reid did not “nuke” it through. As soon as there were 41 Republican senators, the Democrats could no longer amend PPACA; the House had to simply pass the last version the Senate had passed before the Dems lost their supermajority. After that, the only amendments they could get through were those with a direct effect on the budget, which they could therefore put into the budget reconciliation.

          The “Reid rule” was to abolish the filibuster for nominations (other than supreme court, but the Dems made clear that if a supreme court nomination came up and was filibustered they would get rid of that exception).

          And then in 2016, the GOP owned the entire government for two years, during which they did dick to repeal it.

          That’s because Trump said he didn’t want it repealed.

          even his single legislative accomplishment, ObamaCare, would have been impossible without Reid invoking the nuclear option to bypass the minority GOP objections.

          That’s not true. There was no nuke. It passed only because at the time the Dems had 60 senators.

        You mean you didn’t hear of the PPACA, colloquially known as Obamacare? It was in all the papers.

        The original rough version of PPACA only passed because the Dems had 60 senators. The moment their majority was down to 59 they could not pass any of the amendments they had counted on passing to clean it up, which is why it ended up the mess it did.

        So yes, as soon as the GOP had enough senators to filibuster they used it to prevent 0bama from passing any more of his agenda. Obviously before then they were unable to do so.

          Burn_the_Witch in reply to Milhouse. | January 24, 2021 at 1:07 am

          Right, and when they had the Senate and the Presidency, after having campaigned nationally to repeal the PPACA, what happened? Please stop pretending that Trump said he didn’t want it repealed. Of course he did. Then we got McCained: https://www.npr.org/2017/07/27/539907467/senate-careens-toward-high-drama-midnight-health-care-vote

          Trump was forced, by his own nominal party into a situation where he had to go after it piecemeal and by then there was no way he was going to get a repeal, or a repeal and replace. The bottom line is that yes, Trump did want a repeal and he was forced by The Usual Suspects to adopt the later position you keep repeating.

Bucky Barkingham | January 23, 2021 at 7:09 am

Which RINO Senator will be the first to pull an Arlen Specter and switch parties? Romney, Murkowski, Collins, some other?

Justice for Ashli Babbitt!

Silly, everyone knows in a 50/50 Senate the Democrats make the rules.

AF_Chief_Master_Sgt | January 23, 2021 at 12:57 pm

At this point, I don’t care whether McConnell fights to keep the filibuster in place. I don’t care whether Republicans vote for or against the conviction of Donald Trump.

At this point, the Constitution has been shredded and is worthless.

I intend to sit out future elections. I have voted Republican since I first voted for Reagan. Not anymore. I won’t vote, even if Trump starts a new party.

I want Democrats in control. I don’t care whether they get 100 or 102 or 104 Senators when they grant DC and PR statehood. I don’t care if the Democrats get 435 house seats. I hope they get the entire control of all levers of government – federal and state – judicial, executive, and legislative. I want them to pack the SC with 15, 20, 50, ten thousand justices.

I want them to have absolute total control so that they can enact whatever policies, laws, and judicial fiat they desire. I want America to suffer the consequences of placing their faith in a uniparty that cares only about themselves.

Americans have been fighting amongst themselves as Democrats and Republicans, with assaults on each other like I read here today. Minor petty differences put Americans at each other’s throats, all because of a “D” or an “R.” Those distractions divide Americans.

So, take it all. I am going to check out, live out my days as best I can. America is screwed.

    My feelings exactly. Voting doesn’t work, SCOTUS only takes cases when it suits their politics.

    Let them set the rules; they don’t have to justify them to me with fake or even true reasons. I’ll work my way around whatever rules they set.

    It has been 30+ years since Iran-Contra-Cocaine. Nothing has been done to fix any of it.

    No one will know what you believe if you check out, give up and despair. Despite their power that’s what the Dems did to gain their power lol, you didn’t know that?
    They’re desperate dead souls who love to discourage and kill. It’s their hatred of free will that assigns them the role of blaming and denying; they can’t forgive them- selves. Prayer is the answer to everything!

Reid nuced the filibuster for judges. He tried to claim he did not mean Supreme Court Justices, but nobody believed him. All McConnell was finish it for Reid.

    Reid said he didn’t mean the nuke for SCOTUS only and solely because there were no SCOTUS vacancies for the Senate to take up while Obama was in office and he was majority leader. If there had been, he would have nuked that in a New York minute. Everyone knows that, that’s why McConnell got away with doing it.

The presidency is illegitimate. SCOTUS is illegitimate and unworthy of the power they hold. Why keep pretending the Senate, which more clearly hates us than either of them, will hold the line?

Filibuster schmilibuster, our system doesn’t work anymore either way.

Any one who respects the Constitution, fair elections commensurate with the clear language of the Constitution and precedent, but believes that McConnell, McCarthy, Wray, Comey and Barr support their beliefs, might as well sign on as servants in the Hamptons (if the Overlords will even hire citizens willing to work for a wage).

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