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LIVE: Presidential Election Results (UPDATES Thursday)

LIVE: Presidential Election Results (UPDATES Thursday)

Update: Trump has a very narrow path, Biden in a much stronger position.

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Update 11:30 pm 11-4


As of 5 p.m., Eastern, Wednesday, it is not clear who will win, though Biden is in a much better position. Trump’s path comes down to winning GA, NC, PAIt comes down to final vote counting in AZ, NV, GA, NC, MI, and PA.

It also seems almost certain Republicans will retain control of the Senate, and cut Democrats’ lead in the House substantially. (See separate posts.)

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SO WHERE ARE WE? As of 5 p.m. Wisconsin and Michigan have been called for Biden. There will be legal challenges, but it’s unclear whether those are likely to be successful. Arizona is unclear, Trump is leading in NC, GA, and PA for now. Biden is leading in NV, but this map leaves it undecided

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I thought Mom did not vote because of the nursing home lockdown but tonight she told me that they had stopped by and had everyone sign a voting form that it was left blank for them to fill later,

    notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital in reply to Sunlight78. | November 3, 2020 at 9:41 pm


    Convert on November 3, 2020 at 9:24 pm



    2 OUT OF 3 R-toD flips from 2018 are being reversed!

    This is FANTASTIC!!

      notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital in reply to notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital. | November 3, 2020 at 9:44 pm

      CNN Walks Back Its Virginia Call

      —Ace if Spades

        notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital in reply to notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital. | November 3, 2020 at 9:48 pm

        Remember, they told us it would be an early night.

        They told us Biden was so far ahead that Trump would lose solid red states.

        They lied. They are liars.

        Data point from here in MO: one county that has completed its counting (Reynolds) went not quite 4:1 for Trump last time (2,406-540). This time? Better than 5:1 (2,655-507).
        Posted by: Dr. T


          notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital in reply to notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital. | November 3, 2020 at 10:28 pm


          November 03, 2020
          DARK WINTER: Leftwing Media Beginning To Crack
          572 Guy on NBC predicts a win in Minnesota for Trump. Just a prediction. No numbers.

          Bad vibes are starting to flow on NBC.

          “The Dems shot their wad in the early voting”
          “Polling is broken. Like Humpty Dumpty’
          Posted by: Stateless Infidel

          595 Chuck Todd NOW OFFICIALLY “has some issues” with specific state polling organizations.
          He knows. He can’t say it, b

          notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital in reply to notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital. | November 3, 2020 at 10:33 pm

          Chuck Todd NOW OFFICIALLY “has some issues” with specific state polling organizations.

          He knows. He can’t say it, but he knows Trump’s gonna win.

          Posted by: Walter Freeman

          SAGE OF Spades

          notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital in reply to notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital. | November 3, 2020 at 10:37 pm

          Too good not to pass along.

          David Reaboi
          Pack your shit

          Tom Nichols
          · 1h
          This is what I am holding onto, because I never expected a blowout. But the idea that it is even close tells you that America has changed in ways that we might never recover from.…

          The polling issue may be easy to explain. Either intentionally, by purposely oversampling Democrats, or merely because Republicans did not answer their phones of were unwilling to respond, Democrats had 5+ points too much representation in most polls. Take that edge out of the polls and you have much more like the race we have today. The pollsters were happy to try to suppress Republican votes and perhaps communicated to Democrats that they did not need to turn out.

          notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital in reply to notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital. | November 3, 2020 at 10:53 pm

          Scott Adams; @ScottAdamsSays; 6m ago:

          “We are about an hour away from the cognitive dissonance bomb of century.”

          notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital in reply to notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital. | November 4, 2020 at 10:50 am

          Let’s face it; Donald Trump did in fact win re-election last night. What we are watching now is just another stage of the coup that started five years ago to destroy him and us. – Sage of Spades

          Ric Grenell: “The media’s polls were very wrong. But they won’t admit it. Trump is currently up in Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania. So the media will now help the Democrats extend deadlines to go looking for additional votes over the next days.”

          Trump: Fraud Is Underway. “Frankly We Did Win This Election… We’ll Be Going to the Supreme Court”

      It blows my mind they refuse to call florida but called virginia.

        Congress needs to prohibit calling elections by state until the west coast polling stations close. I’m pretty sure calling VA and the blustering over FL (alleged tossup) and PA (sure Biden) have to do with throwing a blanket over reliably red states in central, mountain and pacific time zones.

          notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital in reply to MrE. | November 3, 2020 at 10:23 pm

          Bill O’Reilly
          The CNN guys keep saying “there’s a long way to go.” That really means “we’re getting nervous.”
          Bill O’Reilly
          Huge development. Republicans are likely to keep the Senate. That will blunt the far left!
          Bill O’Reilly
          CNN and NBC beginning to panic.

          Milhouse in reply to MrE. | November 3, 2020 at 10:47 pm

          Congress can’t prohibit it. First amendment. They can’t prohibit it even during the day; the networks agreed on their own not to do that.

          daniel_ream in reply to MrE. | November 3, 2020 at 11:48 pm

          I think if there’s one thing the last few months running up to the election have shown, it’s that cultural support for the concept of freedom of expression is dead in the United States.

          CommoChief in reply to MrE. | November 4, 2020 at 1:02 am

          Congress could pass a law that applied penalties for the release of Federal offices election totals prior to some set time.

          Could someone leak it? Sure. Would the MSM publicly report the leaked data? Sure.

          So to be an effective deterrent the law would have to have prison time for individuals who release the data and financial penalties for the states that fail to supervise the illegal release.

          I don’t think the political will exists for any of this. A better way may be to reach a ‘gentleman’s agreement’ between all parties that no State is called until:

          A. Ten percent of a States vote is in.
          B. The candidate being declared the projected winner must be up by say 5% if less than 50% of total is in and up by 3% if over 50%.

          That would keep the media companies equal in terms of trying to ‘scoop’ each other. It would also prevent to some degree the use of early calls that may influence elections where polls are still open.

          malclave in reply to MrE. | November 4, 2020 at 3:02 am

          They can’t prohibit reporting, but why couldn’t they prohibit the states from releasing the numbers until a certain time, at least for federal offices?

          Milhouse in reply to MrE. | November 4, 2020 at 3:20 pm

          Congress could pass a law that applied penalties for the release of Federal offices election totals prior to some set time.

          I doubt that it could do that. The information doesn’t belong to the USA, it belongs to the authority running the election, which is the state, which in most cases has turned that job over to the county. States and counties have the same freedom of speech as any other corporate entity, which is the same as that of individuals.

    notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital in reply to Sunlight78. | November 4, 2020 at 1:41 am

    Chris Buskirk
    Since @FoxNews made their very premature call giving AZ to Biden, the actual votes – yeah we still count them – have narrowed the gap by ~50,000 and there are still around 800,000 left to count. Arizona is not over yet.

    Error in Fairfax county, VA to delete 100,000 from Biden total. Not yet on board of election site.
    Posted by: Guy Mohawk

    Trump has won, and now we just have to wait out the butthurt on the left so that they concede, is what seems to be the current situation.
    Posted by: Locarno

      Arizona gone dude

      that state is turning bluer by the year

      so yes – Trump ‘won’ on election night but he has to hold the lead with the post-election crap to come

      problem is the Dems just made it alot worse by halting the counts on those gathered mail-in ballots

      these libs are trying to lump that counting into any post-election turn-ins to better disguise the illegitimate vote

      because as we know, a judge ruled in Pennsylvania that ballots can come in late, with no postmark, and no matching signature

      and Roberts kicked it when it came to the Supremes

      /sigh this shit is going to go on for the rest of the week

        MattMusson in reply to fishstick. | November 4, 2020 at 10:02 am

        On an email chain with NC BOE. 117K outstanding mail in votes. If all come back (never happen), I predict Biden gets 94K and Trump takes 23K.

        Biden closes the gap, but Trump still wins NC by 35k votes.

        artichoke in reply to fishstick. | November 5, 2020 at 8:16 am

        So you’re expecting Trump will get “McSally’ed” with the coming “blue shift”. Maybe so, but nobody will be convinced.

        Sorry to see McSally lost by the way, and I agree that going into the future, Arizona will looks like it will be blue. But this year the Dem presidential ticket was just awful, and it looks like Trump managed to win.

    notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital in reply to Sunlight78. | November 4, 2020 at 1:43 am

    alohahola in reply to Sunlight78. | November 4, 2020 at 7:54 am

    Will you help her report that?

Wonder how many Twitter ‘projections’ from major news networks will be quietly deleted when the actual numbers show up. Remember the exit poll disaster of 2000 when they were only polling deep blue neighborhoods?

    notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital in reply to georgfelis. | November 3, 2020 at 9:23 pm



    “Everything’s Coming Up Milhouse
    The “needle” in Georgia is at 82% and 79% in North Carolina.

    Mark Halperin keeps pointing out that North Carolina is the weakest of the six most important swing states — weakest as far as Trump’s ability to retain them — and yet it looks like Trump is likely to win fairly comfortably.

    Again: What does that tell us all about the media’s precious polls, where Biden has a ten fucking point national advantage and a six point lead in the swing states?

    Even Nate Incel Geek Rat Fetus Silver says that if Trump wins FL, GA, and NC, the rest of the election is a 50/50 coin flip.

    Except it’s not — if Trump wins comfortably in those states, it means he’s padded his 2016 vote totals. It means he’s the favorite.

    Remember: Almost all states (except Pennsylvania) count early votes first. As the Democrats made a huge push for early voting, most early vote tallies will favor Democrats — but that means nothing. You have to wait for the in-person votes to be counted.

    So don’t get freaked about early votes in this county or that one favoring Biden. Of course it does. Democrats won the early vote everywhere.

    The question is: Do Republicans get their revenge on election day?

    Honestly, please stop this. It’s tedious to have to keep telling people this individually. And it looks trollish, even if it’s not……”

    notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital in reply to georgfelis. | November 3, 2020 at 9:35 pm
    notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital in reply to georgfelis. | November 3, 2020 at 9:36 pm

Fox awfully fast to call Virginia….

    notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital in reply to JDmyrm. | November 3, 2020 at 7:22 pm

    Fox – the enemy of we the people.

    This morning my loco Fox affiliate KOOKI was trying to scare voters away with a special report screeching “Locate all the exits so if there is an emergency you can escape, and on and on their EVIL LIES went…..

      notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital in reply to notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital. | November 3, 2020 at 7:53 pm

      “Enemy-comms Fox has already called Virginia for Biden. This reminds me a lot of their early call of the Congress for the Democrats in 2018, going out of their way to depress the Republican vote everywhere west of the east coast.

      Chris Stirewalt face was smugly obese as he made that call.

      Paul Sperry points out that Fox is — as many have realized — leftwingers top to bottom.”

      BREAKING: Records reveal the analyst who will run Fox News election decision desk is a registered Democrat who voted for Hillary Clinton in 2016 & gave Democrats more than $4,000, including $1,525 for Obama. Arnon Mishkin will announce states for Biden or Trump on election night

      Meanwhile, Fox is not calling Florida for Trump — while the New York Times “needle” says that Trump has a better than 95% chance of winning Florida at this point.

      Ace of Spades

    fishstick in reply to JDmyrm. | November 3, 2020 at 7:23 pm

    lets be honest – Virginia is a blue state now

    and this election might be the last time Nevada is ‘purplish’ too

    Arizona is at risk in the coming decade too to shifting purple to blue

    Exiliado in reply to JDmyrm. | November 3, 2020 at 7:54 pm

    AP called Virginia for Biden based on exit polls.
    The actual vote count shows Trump ahead by 14% with 14% of the votes reported.

Hold the line Patriots. I feel good about a big PDJT win. Hopefully he wins so big, it’s such a crushing defeat the democrats never recover. At least not for 50 years.

    fishstick in reply to CKYoung. | November 3, 2020 at 7:25 pm

    I’m the opposite here

    been tracking many blogs and people on the ground

    I’m not optimistic the Republicans had a high enough turnout across the board to make ‘winning big’ a possibility

    the real question is if enough independent vote will swing Trump’s way in the states that matter

Hoping very much the Clintons / the Left / Soros’ groups, ETC haven’t corrupted the electoral college…

waiting anxiously!…

As long as we win fish sticks

As long as Trump wins…

Make them cry again!

Colonel Travis | November 3, 2020 at 7:52 pm

Who’s got the hard liquor out at this point?
Just me?
Hello, is this thing on?

DOW futures up 200

The Friendly Grizzly | November 3, 2020 at 8:02 pm

It’s interesting that VA is shown as called for Biden but Trump now leads in the vote count.

Flipping through the channels and stopped on Newsmax, just to see how a right-wing net is covering things. Strangely subdued, to me.

Phillygirl1807 | November 3, 2020 at 8:17 pm

Watching videos of Biden today makes me wonder how anyone could vote for him. He is clearly in the throes of Alzheimer’s disease. How could he be President in his current state?
I am also concerned about how people in “Blue” states can ignore the awful riots and looting that have plagued cities across the country run by Democrats. How is this ok?

    fishstick in reply to Phillygirl1807. | November 3, 2020 at 8:22 pm

    this is way too close of an election

    even Ohio is breaking bad for Republicans (atm)

    and North Carolina looks lost

    it is looking more like the election day turnout is not going to be high enough to give Trump a comfortable margin of victory in many of these battleground states

    I’m now very worried about Wisconsin and Pennsylvania and Arizona

      snopercod in reply to fishstick. | November 3, 2020 at 9:11 pm

      “North Carolina looks lost” That’s just wrong. North Carolina had only release the “mail in and absentee” results, which heavily favor democrats. The REAL results won’t be released until as late as midnight. Keep the faith, bro.

        Correct. I have been tracking the reporting in NC over the last 90 minutes. Trump is on track to win. The key may end up being PA, which is subject to fraud and may not be known for days (or weeks with legal challenges).

    They’re not voting for him. Some are voting against Trump, and some are voting for either Harris or whoever is behind them – American authoritarians and Chinese oligarchs. Don’t lose sight of the fact that this isn’t just a US election, like voting for president of Honduras or Kenya. This is for all the global marbles.

    henrybowman in reply to Phillygirl1807. | November 4, 2020 at 6:26 am

    Democrats would vote for a yellow dog this year to vote against Trump.

    But not an orange dog.

Dish stick you make me so freaking nervous

Fish, sorry lol

    fishstick in reply to gonzotx. | November 3, 2020 at 8:39 pm

    that first downvote was me – by accident when going for the reply button (lol)

    but yeah I think every conservative is on edge atm

    not just me

guys you have to remember

it’s not that Trump wins these states

he has to win with enough of a margin that the Dems can’t flip it 2-3 days later with incoming ballots out of nowhere

if Trump holds off Biden tonight in N.Carolina, it is no guarantee he keeps it after all the post election day shenanigans

Republicans need 50k+ win totals in these battleground states

100k to make it a ‘good night’

anything under 20k is rife for a turnover

that’s just my 2 cents though

hopefully I’m just wrong (lol)

but I can’t shake this sour feeling in my gut

steady on, fish–it’s early innings

Doesn’t Sullivan have something more pressing to work on?

Before 10PM, Trump will win by a rock bottom minimum of 275-280 versus 265-260, counting PA in Biden’s column. This assumes he wins in NC, where he is down, but closing the gap rapidly with new reporting.

He could easily be over 300 electoral votes with PA and some upper Midwest states.

I live in New Mexico and don’t expect it to turn red but the AP called it for Biden ONE minute after the polls closed. There weren’t even any votes tabulated on the SOS website. And people wonder why we’re suspicious about the integrity of elections?

President Donald J. Trump on his way to a huge win. The dnc/msm didn’t learn anything from 2016. Their dishonesty is a huge factor in their low information voters going insane with TDS.

Looks like Trump’s plan to win on election day is paying off.

If he pulls this off, you have to hand it to him. He is cementing a huge place in American history. Obama must be fuming.

    Hopefully, we have a good AG in his second term, like Chris Christie, and we see equal justice for all for those in the “swamp” that pulled this coup attempt and for rioters and looters and their backers.

    it’s hardly over yet

    Arizona looks like it wants to flip blue this cycle =(

    ugh this damn election is far too close than it should be

    looks like Trump has both Ohio and Florida in the bag

    North Carolina is iffy but in the R-camp atm

    hopefully we’ll net another 2 senate seats to offset McSally’s loss should Arizona get flipped

    but not having Arizona means Trump needs 2 of the rust belt to win a second term

      With Iowa and Michigan but not Arizona, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Nevada or Pennsylvania, I have Trump at 271 with the interactive chart. Also, the financial market futures are holding their gains.

    healthguyfsu in reply to oldschooltwentysix. | November 3, 2020 at 11:15 pm

    I don’t see what you all are seeing. It comes down to AZ and PA. AZ is a toss-up and PA not looking good.

      Fox just called AZ for Biden, but Trump is ahead in PA by about 400K with 45% counted, so no way to tell – except for the setup up by SCOTUS for fraud and lengthy legal challenges. Trump is also ahead in MI by close to 300K, where the governor is hated.

I don’t care how the EC turns out, the Dems have no intention of allowing Trump to be sworn in again. We’re not looking at just a possible loss, we’re looking at a serious insurrection.

Gang, it isn’t all done yet.

WTF Alabama Reversed to Blue???

Can’t believe they have given Trump NC. It is over

Final update from my polling site: In 15 hours we scanned a total of 480 ballots, of which 86 were for Trump. I don’t normally bother looking at the result tapes, since all we’re interested in is to reconcile the number of ballots scanned with the number issued minus the number voided, but since I’d started reporting here on the progress I made a point of looking at the results and adding up all the Trump numbers to report them.

notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital | November 3, 2020 at 11:36 pm

Peter Imanuelsen
BREAKING: Trump wins Ohio.

Chinese Yuan Renminbi Is Tanking – As Trump Continues to Win, Win, Win

A note on Tom Tillis, that seat has historically been a single term seat, So Tillis broke the trend.

Well, we did what we could. My county went about 3-1 for Trump.

We have Florida and Texas.
I think it is over.

Lots of fuquery going on, but we knew that was going to happen.

And we have Ohio, we are up 600,000 in Pa but they refuse to keep counting… they are tired

WTF… I’m a nurse, we work 24/7, they knew this was going to be a long long night

They are just cheating and need time to come up with 600,001 votes

    txvet2 in reply to gonzotx. | November 4, 2020 at 12:31 am

    They aren’t tired, they just need to stuff a few ballot boxes. Takes time.

    This might end up with a worst case scenario, where it depends on PA and is tied up in court for weeks. At least the Senate will remain in Republican hands with possibly no change in seats, if James in MI wins.

Good news that Arizona looks to be breaking for Trump

    That would be critical, except that the FOX expert insists there is no chance Trump can pull it out. My guess is that Kelly is dragging Biden across the finish line with not much ticket-splitting for Trump.

      Olinser in reply to jb4. | November 4, 2020 at 12:48 am

      I said it before I’ll say it again.

      Giving that LOSER McSally the seat after she LOST was the single worst mistake Ducey has ever made.

      She was a loser then, and she’s a loser now.

I was a few miles south of PDX having dinner with my son. When I got back up to my hood, for about 45 minutes there was a blacked out copter hovering at 1000 ft over the local precinct at 47th-Burnside about 15 blocks NE of me. A pretty resounding thump thump thump. Might even have been a NG blackhawk as it has a long profile when set against some thin clouds. No searchlight, but clearly a “we are up here” message. To me that is a sign that they are expecting some fun later on. We had pretty solid rain for the last 12 hrs but it has since cleared off. I was hoping that would put a damper on the fair weather protestors. I can still hear the copter but it has moved north. I don’t know exactly where that districts precinct is located.

But that got me thinking about the nature of the protests for the last 4 years. There was always a chance that Trump could come in hard. But lets say Biden wins. Now there is no balance, and I am convinced that the mob is made up of hard Left Marxists that the regular grifting Left can’t control, but only tolerated with inaction because any move against them would be seen as a win for Trump. I only voted today because as you all know, the choice for mayor in PDX is between dumb, dumber, and really effing stupid (one of these was a write in). I only voted for Wheeler because the other two were worse both as individuals and for the factions that they represented. In a way, I think there would be more rioting with a Biden win because they are as against the establishment left as they are against trump, the difference being that they can use the establishment left as an ally until the final play for power. Oh, the copter is back, that was quick.

On another note, I really want to see how this election plays out against 2016 here in Oregon. I suspect that the state would vote a lot redder mostly in part due to the actions of antifa in PDX and of our idiot governor and the shutdown. I can’t imagine the media ever playing as big a role as a cheerleder for the Left as this year, and if despite that the gaps still closed, it will have to make the established Left pretty nervous, which means that they may finally take action against antifa who is as much a threat to them as Trump and the populist movement.

Interesting times indeed.

about 3 to 1 for trump here as well–lots of trump flags around here over the last few days–good to see–am hoping for an outright asswhipping for biden–we’ll see

The Friendly Grizzly | November 4, 2020 at 12:58 am

What channel are you watching? I just shut off OAN. All the blue swishy-swirlies, rotating wedding cakes White Houses, white globules traveling left to right, and wobbling stars proved -ultimately – both annoying and somewhat nauseating.

Most news channels way overdo that junk.

I’ve been jumping around news feeds.I’ve sort of settled on Bannon’s war room because they have Richard Barris because he seems to be the new Michael Barrone.

They just announced that after Biden gave his speech Trump tweeted something out and Twitter blocked it.

notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital | November 4, 2020 at 1:16 am

We are up BIG, but they are trying to STEAL the Election. We will never let them do it. Votes cannot be cast after the Polls are closed!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) November 4, 2020

The Economist says there is a 96% chance Trump wins!

Jack Dorsey Concedes Democrats defeat by blocking the POTUS tweet!

I am ready for the Democrat concession.

    fishstick in reply to snowshooze. | November 4, 2020 at 3:20 am

    there won’t be no concession from either side

    the fact a few states literally stopped counting – all in the rust belt – just pushed this election past the tipping point

    it was already on high end with the mail-in crap + post election day counting

    and Trump just came out and said he’s basically contesting the vote after what the polls in Pennsylvania did in halting the counting

    you also have Wisconsin that is sitting on a pile, along with Georgia and Nevada and Virginia, with Michigan needing 3 days to figure out ‘what’ they even have?

    like I’ve been posting before – this election is a clusterf*ck

    to me – Trump is on the verge of a post election day loss with Arizona flipping this cycle

    Trump will need to hold Georgia, NC, and would need 2 of 3 between Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin who are now conveniently ‘late’ in getting their election day results in

    I don’t see either side ever conceding here

    this delay in the remaining states makes it looked (and is) rigged in the Dems favor

    because WHY? why stop at that particular moment when Trump is up 6 digits

    while the libs will bemoan any attempt to halt future counting – in an effort to ensure the vote is legit – when they decide to start tallying again

    … you know once they find more ballots to add to their count

I’m waiting for the part about “de lamentations of de vimmen.”

Hope they don’t put it off too long. “De lamentations of John Roberts” might do in a pinch.

The left should never cry about election interference ever again. From msm polling, “reporting,” government officials stopping the count of ballots (but still able to declare down ballot results), bursting pipes… we need criminal investigations. PDJT won, delaying that announcement is detrimental to our nation.

    fishstick in reply to CKYoung. | November 4, 2020 at 3:29 am

    that’s the problem though

    the DOJ isn’t in any position to do squat in this late hour and neither will the FBI led by Wray

    our fat focker AG has decided to pull a Sessions act – I mean has anyone seen this guy in the past 3 weeks? – and the feds are too busy trying to open an investigation on truckers in Texas

    so the only hope Trump has is through the courts, which already ruled against him several times over

    the Republicans have really dropped the ball in preparing for this nonsense, which EVERYONE knew was coming

I predicted Pa would be counting and manufacturing ballots days after Nov . Judge gave then Carde Blanche in unpostmarked boxes, unmatched signatures and 3 extra days.

ugh… it’s over folks

Trump now down in Wisconsin

he now needs both Penn and Michigan to get a 2nd term and the odds of that happening is very slim

in the coming months – there’s going to be alot of conservatives second guessing to what Trump should have done – actions should have taken in regards to the riots that gripped this nation for the past 5 months

poor department heads that put their thumb up their ass – Sessions, Barr

even worse choices that undermined his own administration – Wray

listening to Fauci & company on shutting the country down and those ridiculous mask mandates, which did nothing to slow the spread of coronavirus – as its still rampant coast to coast 8 months later (though deaths from it are down)

Trump’s legacy will be the courts but he’ll forever be haunted by ‘what could have beens’ and the harassment he had to face as President from the DC establishment (including the media)

ultimately I think what got Trump in this election cycle wasn’t just the coronavirus but the ineptitude of his own administration when standing up to the relentless Left

partly which is the President’s own fault for putting such bozos as the heads of said departments

AG Barr slow-rolling the entire counter-investigation didn’t help as it became a non-news item for this election

then before that AG Sessions allowing the Mueller investigation to hamstring the executive for nearly three years

and Wray stalling the congressional Republicans every step of the way

I think those 2 things with the coronavirus hurt Trump in the eyes of independents, who had nothing but wall to wall coverage of anti-Trump news for 4 years

it all just added up – along with the riots that continued unabated – to his election loss

hopefully Trump can pull off a miracle but I don’t see it this time around

    guyjones in reply to fishstick. | November 4, 2020 at 8:08 am

    It’s really easy and unfair to Monday-morning quarterback with regard to Wuhan virus. It was an unprecedented and impossible situation, and, a brazen and transparent Chinese op to interfere with the U.S. election, by hurting POTUS. Basic political self-defense required that POTUS be seen as “doing something” about the virus, lest he be accused by the Dhimmi-crats of doing nothing. The Dhimmi-crats were all-too-happy to jump on board the Wuhan virus train and use this Chinese operation as a cudgel to bash POTUS. POTUS was going to be criticized for his virus response, regardless of the steps he took, or, didn’t take.

    txvet2 in reply to fishstick. | November 4, 2020 at 2:54 pm

    Trump’s down in Wisconsin because they’ve counted more votes than there are registered voters. They’ve demanded a recount.

      Milhouse in reply to txvet2. | November 5, 2020 at 1:04 am

      they’ve counted more votes than there are registered voters.

      No, they haven’t. No place did that in 2016 and no place has done that in 2020. Or ever, really.

another thing that conservatives will be talking about in the coming months is the lack of Republican leadership to push back on the way our election system got manhandled here in 2020

them not pushing back – or a very late pushback in 3 instances – over mail-in voting in non-postmarked and non-signature matches as well as the general Republican laziness in terms of watching the polls may have end up costing us 3 states in Georgia, Wisconsin, and Nevada

I mean HOW in the heck did the Republicans not have legal teams litigating it from the get go and challenging it through the courts on the merits of some federal voting statute

it is mind boggling to think how a ballot could be mailed out and returned without a proper stamp and signature

… and then it count as a legit vote as if done in person at a station

no notary, no security bar, no log

now Trump’s only real chance is by way of recount and challenge each vote on said merits – which is gonna be hard to do because he’ll be down in the thousands in tally and many of these votes will be unverifiable anyways because there was no proper procedure

THIS is really asinine to think of

and that is if the Supremes side with the Republican case, which there is no guarantee of there

Anyone else find it “fishy” that a commenter we have never seen before has more comments than anyone else?

Guilty dogs bark the loudest.
Nice job of taking the bait.

    fishstick in reply to scooterjay. | November 4, 2020 at 7:10 am

    okay? and the point being?

    what I’m some liberal troll now?

    if that’s the case, then I’ll just pretend you are my father who was so convinced Trump couldn’t lose… just because or because he had big rallies

    honestly – this was a very bad night for conservatives

    Republicans will likely lose the Presidency barring some crazy recount that I don’t think the Supremes will allow in the first place but…

    I thought there would be more of a discussion in this thread here

    I mean I couldn’t have been the only one seeing this disaster with the mail-in voting being the tallest hurdle for Trump to clear nation-wide

    Republicans held down many states and rode Trump’s coattails to a net gain in the House seats… but the conservatives will not get the Trump second term

    THAT is the killer here because DC will return to its regular shitty status quo where Republicans return to being doormats to the Dems

    sure – Republicans will still hold the Senate, but the Speaker will still be Pelosi

    and its not like the 52 senators will stand united against a Biden/Harris administration

    they are gonna fold like a lawn chair on numerous issues with the agenda they gonna try to shove down America’s throat

    the Supremes could slow some of it down but I have zero faith in the Republican establishment to play hardball

    THIS election was as close to the last stand as conservatives will ever get and we’ll be spending the next 4 years thinking ‘what if’ Trump did this, or ‘he should have done this’, etc

    if the current election map holds, then Trump’s only path to 270 looks to be through the courts

    as his vote margin is not high enough to withstand the coming mail-ins that will flip those leads he currently has

    and he needs to make red ALL that is left

    still – I hope I’m wrong but my gut is telling me not

      zennyfan in reply to fishstick. | November 4, 2020 at 8:12 am

      You’re not wrong. Mail-in is working just as the Democrats expected. They almost don’t need the unexpected boost from Roberts ignoring the Constitution to permit the PA mess. Unfortunately, having state election officials and the media follow their script to the letter means half the country is now convinced that the election was stolen. And it was.

I live in NJ. We could NOT vote in person…all Mail in. The polls closed at 8 pm….The AP called it for Biden at 8:01 pm…HOW the hell did they count all the votes in 1 minute??? This is bogus.

    Milhouse in reply to wendybar. | November 4, 2020 at 4:53 pm

    They didn’t declare it at 8:01. AP predicted it based on exit polls.

    Despite the NY Times’ unfortunate tweet, revealing what they really think, election results are declared only by election authorities, not by the reporting industry.

smalltownoklahoman | November 4, 2020 at 7:21 am

If Trump wins it’s going to be a squeaker as some have said. Those margins are way too close in some of these states for comfort, especially if we have recounts.

Barry Soetoro | November 4, 2020 at 7:49 am

Why is Maine tricolored? Didn’t Trump win ME-2, with Biden winning ME-1 and the state?

Stunning that a manifestly corrupt, self-enriching, lawless, dim-witted, mentally and physically feeble, neo-communist, dotard-marionette, “Big Guy” Biden, pushing such a demonstrably destructive agenda and policies, received this many votes. Trump derangement syndrome in action.

Not a lot of true nigs left, joyless Reid is one.

Georgia belongs to Trump. I’m looking at the GA Secretary of State website and there’s nothing left for Biden.

Why don’t they stop calling those states “too close to call”, and just tell the truth: “Still close enough to steal”.

Well I am done… I will live my life my best but never will I vote again
I am
Going to stop reading blogs
I already don’t watch the news or read papers
It’s me and my family now and that’s it

Good luck to you all, I’m finally terminally disgusted at my Coumtry after 69 years

Take care and God bless

    healthguyfsu in reply to gonzotx. | November 4, 2020 at 10:10 am

    Yes, not voting is the answer to our problems.

    Phillygirl1807 in reply to gonzotx. | November 4, 2020 at 10:52 am

    I totally feel your pain. If Biden wins we will never learn of the corruption in the FBI. We will never learn more about the thefts of the Biden family. We will become a socialist country, with Bernie Sanders clones as heads of agency. Gas prices will go through the roof. The economy will tank when Biden shuts down the entire country during our coming “dark winter.” AOC or Omar will become Speaker of the House. Our gains in the Middle East will end, as Biden renews the Iran deal.
    I am glad I am a senior, so I won’t see the bulk of the destruction of our country.

Re: NC.
I am very worried. If the ballots yet to be counted are in Wake and Mecklenberg, it is trouble.
They are leftist strongholds.
Heaven help us.

    Massinsanity in reply to lc. | November 4, 2020 at 9:16 am

    Any explanation as to why the count stopped at 94% fairly early last night?

    Massinsanity in reply to lc. | November 4, 2020 at 9:25 am

    Total vote counts in Wake – 2020 613k, 2016 518k. Mecklenberg – 2020 554k, 2016 466k.

    Based on these numbers I would say those 2 counties have been counted. The totals there are 18% higher than 2016 vs 14% statewide which explains why the race is tighter.

    snopercod in reply to lc. | November 4, 2020 at 12:20 pm

    The NC State Board of Election site says all precincts have reported and Trump won by 77,000 votes. The mail-in ballots went heavily for Biden, but they’ve already been included in the totals. So why hasn’t NC been called for Trump yet? Is it because the Canvass won’t happen for ten days?

smalltownoklahoman | November 4, 2020 at 8:32 am

Can’t help but notice that in both Michigan & Wisconsin that the Libertarian pulled enough votes that if he hadn’t run we probably could have called it one way or the other by now. Still would have been close but yeah he may have been a spoiler for this election.

I’ve visited this blog every day for 10 years, and recognize the handle of those that have been here equally as long.
With my love of frozen, chopped fish products lingering in tow.
The “triggered” response and ensuing wall of text confirms.

Interesting that Fox News has called AZ for Biden but I see it in Trump’s red states.

I’m also waiting to see exactly when SCOTUS is called in to follow up on their lame ruling on PA. They left it open to resolve AFTER the election. Does now count as “after” the election?

    It’s now looking like Fox News simply blew it. The AZ vote trackers continue to insist that Trump has a 2-3% lead and that the precincts yet to be counted are expected to return 65%+ for Trump. Probably more. Those were the numbers this morning when Fox mysteriously called AZ for Biden.

    WI looks really suspicious too. It seems that the MSM is driving the narrative on behalf of the Dems with the goal of making it look like Trump will refuse to accept that he lost. It’s all about narrative. Vote count is irrelevant.

      The fucking media has been driving the Democrat narrative for fucking ever! In fact its impossible to tell the media and Democrats apart because they are the same fucking thing!

MI just went blue

What a surprise

    Massinsanity in reply to gonzotx. | November 4, 2020 at 9:29 am

    If that holds it’s over. Trump has to hang onto NC and GA and win 2 out of 3 of WI, MI and PA.

    WI and MI now show Biden leading.

agree your take scooter

from what limited info available, appears the only way biden can win is either we allow them to steal the election or we just give up and walk away–am not prepared to do either

we knew they would probably do this–no surprise

Can someone explain how Rs seem to be leading like 7-8/10 house seats AND the senate race, but Biden is in the lead?! How tf does that work

    alexm in reply to alexm. | November 4, 2020 at 9:57 am

    Clarification: I mean in Michigan

    Milhouse in reply to alexm. | November 4, 2020 at 4:57 pm

    Very simple. Dems gets a lot of votes in Detroit, Lansing, Flint, etc., and few anywhere else. So they can win the state but get fewer than half the seats.

    healthguyfsu in reply to alexm. | November 4, 2020 at 5:00 pm

    House seats are based on districts that they represent. Parts of a state may vote differently than the state as a whole. Not all districts are up for re-election at the same time either, so a district win or even several district wins may not match up with the entire state’s vote tallies.

      Milhouse in reply to healthguyfsu. | November 5, 2020 at 1:11 am

      Not all districts are up for re-election at the same time either,

      Huh? That’s just wrong. The whole house is up every two years. There are no districts on a different schedule.

So now we sit back and wait for Democrats to slowly cheat their way a win in every “close” race? We’ve all seen how that bullsh*t goes – see 2018 for a refresher.

I hope Republicans are aggressively getting in the face of Democrat officials to force a modicum of fairness in mail-in/absentee vote counting. But since that’s generally not what Republicans do, I expect they’ll curl up in a corner and wait for the Dems to be done with their election theft. Pretty discouraging at this point, imo.

Welcome to the “New Normal”.
Every election from now on will be preceded by some event that requires mail-in ballots or some other method such as online voting.
Theft is the word.

BTW, with 89% of vote counted, Biden is only beating Trump 50.1% to 48.3%. Hardly a landslide. That tells us that even the urban areas softened under Trump’s onslaught. Trump was in the game.

Also explains why CA GOP is doing so well with House races. Now it’s up to the CA Republicans to get find their spines and parlay this into 2022 and beyond.

It’s over! Trump can yell all he wants but there is no authority willing to stop the blatant Dem cheating

    fishstick in reply to MarkS. | November 4, 2020 at 11:16 am

    the problem in any of these recounts – if the Supremes even let it go there – is there is no way to verify these votes to start with except by matching signatures

    which then makes it an entirely subjective process because these mail-in votes were not done with any proper protocol in mind

    from what I gather, they just mailed ballots to addresses on their county records and whether they were updated, accurate, or not

    so I doubt there can be any cross references that could be determined with just a ballot and signature

    and its not like the post office was keeping detailed accounts from ‘sender’

    (we know that didn’t happen lol)

This was your last election folks. YOU screwed it up

Thanks to Legal Insurrection for the outstanding Twitter feed!

Last night PDJT was on the march to victory in several democrat controlled states. Those states pulled the e-brake when they thought they were within the plausible remaining eligible voter population margin (they got it wrong). During the pause, they opened up their boxes of pre-printed, fake democrat ballots. Their downfall will be the sheer impossible numbers that have to break for biden versus reality. The courts ignore this at their peril. We’ve endured “resist.” Attempted coup. Riots/looting. Lockdowns/china virus BS. Watching fellow citizens persecuted for self defense. No way do Patriots put up with their votes being nullified by blatant cheating. The left is all in because they’re in bed with the ccp. Stealing our vote will prove to be a bridge too far. I maintain faith in the current judiciary to do the right thing. Let’s just wait and see what happens.

As is being observed by many, in Michigan they added 139,000 votes, 100% of which went to Biden.

That is impossible. Therefore, there needs to be a challenge to ascertain what lie the dem election officials are going to tell to cover it.

make them testify in a contest before a judge…. Where were the ballots from up to that point, where did the 139,000 ballots come from AT THAT POINT, who handled them, the chain of custody?

Because that is prima facia fraud & corruption in that election office.

Here is the problem currently facing the electorate. Inconsistency in voting results.

Take AZ, for example. AZ, with nearly 80% of the vote reportedly counted, suddenly swings from 52% Trump to 52% Biden within an hour and with less than 10% additional vote counted. And, the only explanation is that votes are being reported from a Democrat stronghold now. One would assume that the vote tally would progress more or less evenly across the state, as the polls close at the same time. But, for some obscure reason, the huge Democrat stronghold seems to end up as a late return area. The same thing in MI and WI and NV. The swing in FL can be easily explained, as voting occurs on two time zones there, with the Eastern time zone holding nearly all of the Democrat majority areas. The Panhandle is largely Republican and sufficiently populated to swing a close election to the Republicans. At 1am, Trump had a significant lead in GA, NC, WI, MI, NV and even PA. If the returns had been coming in more or less uniformly all night, from those states, Trump should have won GA and NC, handily and taken MI, WI and NV. Even if Biden won NV and PA, the election was still statistically Trump’s, with from 70-90% of the vote in, in those states. But, somehow, as we all slept, MI and WI flipped, NC and GA are still in limbo and NV flipped, leaving Biden ahead. Huh? Have the rules governing statistical analysis suddenly been suspended in the US?

So, what we see in elections in the last three or four decades is states returning a Republican majority, for much of the night, suddenly swing Democrat as “late” returns come in from heavily Democrat areas. On a football game, the fans can see a team lose due to bad play calling, mistakes or inspired play by the opposing team. But, this all happens in real time BEFORE the final gun ends the game. However, with politics, the score changes AFTER the game is over. Even a total idiot has to ask how this is possible, if the game is being played honestly. And, therein lies the danger.

The common assumption is that the portion of the populace supporting Trump, and political transparency, will simply accept the changing results, without explanation. It is being assumed that this portion of the population will do what it has done in the past and roll over in the face of obvious fraudulent practices. But, will it, this time? In a sporting event, we have multiple camera angles, instant replay and slow motion to allow the fans to see what is transpiring on the field of play. In politics, we conduct the important part of the process, tallying the votes, to occur behind closed doors with minimal oversight. And, we are expected to believe that boxes of ballots miraculously appear from janitor’s closets, the trunks of cars in the parking lot and that more people vote, in an area, than live there. Thus are revolutions born.

    BillyHW in reply to Mac45. | November 4, 2020 at 11:34 am

    The Democrat strongholds can’t report their results until they know just how many Biden votes they need to report to win.

    Massinsanity in reply to Mac45. | November 4, 2020 at 1:41 pm

    Let me offer up an explanation. Some states counted the mail in votes first, examples would be OH and IA. Others are counting the mail in ballots last, examples would be MI and PA.

    Across the country we have seen that mail in votes trend heavily to Biden while in person votes go heavily to Trump as Democrats in the throes of Covid panic tended to vote by mail.

    In the former case this helps explain why Trump was down 10 points in OH with 50% of the vote counted but won that state by 8+. It can also explain what is happening in MI, WI and what may happen in PA.

    I am not saying there are no shenanigans taking place in MI, WI and PA but this is a possible explanation for what you have seen.

      It doesn’t explain why Wisconsin logged more votes than there are registered voters. Try again.

        Massinsanity in reply to txvet2. | November 4, 2020 at 4:42 pm

        Mac45 made no mention of that and if it is true there is no good explanation for it that I can think of. I responded to his observation about Trump leads evaporating overnight and I offered an explanation having watch live coverage from 7:30 to 1:30 last night with the numbers shifting in Trumps favor as the night wore on in OH, NC, IA and TX and against him in MI and WI.

          I believe the reported number of voters, in WI was 89%. You would have to compare that the voter response in the rest of the nation. We do not have a breakdown for the entire country, at this point. But, in 2018, 69.5% of registered Wisconsin voters came to the polls. So, is it possible that 89% of registered voters voted in WI in 2020? Yes. Is it likely? Maybe?

          Correction: That was 69.5% in 2016, not 2018.

        Milhouse in reply to txvet2. | November 5, 2020 at 1:17 am

        It doesn’t explain why Wisconsin logged more votes than there are registered voters. Try again.

        That didn’t happen, so no explanation is needed. That never happens, anywhere, and yet every election stupid people keep claiming that this time it finally happened. It hasn’t, and it likely never will.

      Sounds reasonable. Except…

      An honest election would count the mail-ins first. This makes it much more difficult to “add” found ballots, at the end. It also makes it easier to verify the identity of the voter, if all of this is done before election day. Once that is done, the ballots can either be counted or boxed up, if counting has to be done on election day. However, when the mail-ins are done last, this makes it much easier to slip in a few additional ballots which can change an election, especially a close one.

      So, the question then becomes, how honest was the handling of the mail-in ballots and the count. It does not help when the count is suspended, with one candidate leading, and then the results are reversed immediately after the count is resumed. It is even more troubling when the candidate initially leading significantly, with 80+% of the vote counted, is suddenly trailing the next day. In the past, the vote count was always delayed, Dem controlled areas, and when released suddenly allowed the Dem candidate to win. Now mail-in ballots are being used. Its like a pair of dice that only rolls a seven. Suspicious. PA got caught and had to run a much more honest election than the Dems wanted. So, suddenly, WI and MI, where the mail-in votes were not sequestered, flip under suspicious circumstances.


        Massinsanity in reply to Mac45. | November 4, 2020 at 4:49 pm

        As with my reply to txvet. I am not defending the practice but simply offering an explanation of the mechanics for what we all watched overnight.

        Every state should report results like FL. They have nailed it.

          I understand that you are offering an possible explanation for the big overnight swings in WI and MI. And, as I said, it sounds reasonable. But it is equally possible that improper mail-in ballots were included in the count, while the counting was suspended. Unfortunately, we may never be able to prove which actually occurred, depending upon a number of factors. However, this is how conspiracy theories gain public credibility, because of the lack of transparency in the “process”.

        Milhouse in reply to Mac45. | November 5, 2020 at 1:19 am

        An honest election would count the mail-ins first.

        If that’s your opinion, take it up with the Republicans who control the PA legislature, and absolutely refused to allow that. The Dems wanted it; the Reps refused.

They told us they were going to steal the election.

Wisconsin for Biden is pure BS. There’s fuqkery afoot.

    notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital in reply to nordic_prince. | November 4, 2020 at 5:51 pm

    SEVEN Milwaukee Wards Report More Presidential Votes than Registered Voters — State Voter Turnout Is Nearly 90% Which Is Virtually Impossible

    Gateway Pundit

      Gateway Pundit. That’s all the explanation you need. Gateway Pundit is not a reliable source, and there is never any legitimate reason to cite it. Jim Hoft is a proven liar. If something is true, it will be reported by a reliable source. If no reliable source is reporting it, then it’s not true.

        mailman in reply to Milhouse. | November 5, 2020 at 5:22 am

        The GWP has been significantly MORE reliable than the Democrat media (I repeat myself). However I believe what you are really saying is…take EVERYTHING with several bags of salt during these crazy ass times!

Phillygirl1807 | November 4, 2020 at 12:44 pm

Extremely discouraged by this whole election mess. So many crooked vote tallying. Mail-in votes should be forbidden going forward. Too easy to “fix.” How many of these mail-in votes came from real people? How many of them were forged? How many of them came from those already dead. There is a mountain of fraud here.

Anacleto Mitraglia | November 4, 2020 at 12:56 pm

Normally, I don’t like to talk about being cheated at the elections, basically for two reasons: first, if you can’t prove it before a court, you sound like a sore loser; second, and most important, because if you keep being buggered time after time after time, it probably means that you like it, sorry if I sound homophobic. But this time, after what we have seen from Project Veritas, and what we’re currently seeing in MI, enough is enough. I seem to remember that in 2017-2018 teh RP had the President, the House, the Senate and most State legislatures & Governors: plenty of time fo fix the elections for good, like in the rest of the free world (even here in Italy we have decent rules!), and the Reps DID NOTHING! Didn’t you see it coming?
Now prepare for more endless wars, higher taxes, more censoring from BigTech, more bitter unjustice in HiEd, more violence from Antifa & BLM for the non-conforming, back to Kyoto agreement, more kowtowing to the Chinese, and this is but a partial account.

    henrybowman in reply to Anacleto Mitraglia. | November 4, 2020 at 8:56 pm

    “I seem to remember that in 2017-2018 teh RP had the President, the House, the Senate and most State legislatures & Governors: plenty of time fo fix the elections for good, like in the rest of the free world (even here in Italy we have decent rules!), and the Reps DID NOTHING!”

    All 100% true, unfortunately. The first two years of the Trump administration are best illustrated by the image a congressman sweating bullets and thinking, “OMG, we own the government, how did that happen? Now who are we supposed to blame for not delivering on the promises we never intended to?”

    I say this as a gundamentalist who was “promised” interstate concealed carry recognition and the deregulation of suppressors (“silencers”). They had two years and never even filed either one of them. “The time isn’t right.” You bet it wasn’t, they had no one to blame for the arranged defeat.

America just elected a corrupt former Senator and VP suffering with dementia to the most powerful office in the world. If the Republicans don’t charge Biden with corruption, the Democrats will, which leaves Harris as our President.

Look out Venezuela, here we come, in the race to the bottom you don’t stand a chance.

    MajorWood in reply to stablesort. | November 4, 2020 at 10:15 pm

    This has all the makings of the Oregon Governor’s election a number of years back where there were rumors of the Gov’s Ho using his position to exert influence (she was roundly despised by all). He was elected, but shortly afterwards they came out with the story that they had known all along which is how we ended up the disaster known as Kate Brown who was the current Secretary of State.

What’s going on with Twitter this morning? Is it censorship?

    Yes, it is, but it’s not unConstitutional. They are trying to suppress skepticism about the “found” Biden votes and to keep Twitter users in the dark about the questionable things taking place in various states. The hope is to pacify Trump supporters and to convince them that a Biden win is legitimate. The mainstream media is doing the same thing on the air by repeating the “all votes need to be counted” schtick when they would have called the election for Biden last night if his numbers were anywhere near Trump’s. Smoke. Mirrors. A side of gaslighting.

I live in a Westminster parliamentary system, where we can and have done two federal elections within six months.

Forgive my ignorance: is there any provision at all under US law for a do-over in a presidential election? Is there any lawful way to declare the whole process hopelessly corrupt and do it over again? Or is it one shot for all the marbles?

    Aside from asking for a re-count in individual states, I know of nothing

    Milhouse in reply to daniel_ream. | November 4, 2020 at 5:20 pm

    Answer: The election being counted now is not for president but for electors. The electors who were chosen yesterday will vote on Dec 14, and although their votes will not be secret they won’t be officially counted until Jan 3. On Jan 3 Mike Pence will count the votes, with both houses of congress as witnesses.

    If there’s serious doubt about the validity of some state’s electors, he may choose not to count them, and then all hell would break loose because there’s no clear answer as to whether congress gets any say in the matter. The constitution doesn’t say anything but that the count should take place in their presence. There’s an act of congress guaranteeing that if the states obey certain rules their electors’ votes will be counted, but it’s not clear whether congress had the authority to make such a law.

    Even assuming it did, a subsequent congress could repeal it and decide to do something else, such as call on the states to hold new elections for a new set of electors. That’s very unlikely to happen, though, especially with the Dems holding the House and the Reps holding the senate.

      daniel_ream in reply to Milhouse. | November 5, 2020 at 9:43 am

      Thanks, that helps. Well, it helps me, not so much the Republic.

      I saw this on another blog and I’m wondering how true/applicable it is:

      “The Constitution says the state legislature determines the legitimacy of the vote. The Republicans control Wisconsin Michigan and Pennsylvania and North Carolina legislatures entirely. Force the democrat governor in each state to call the legislature back into session and they can conduct an investigation exposing the corruption in the so-called accounting process and rightfully allocate the electors to Donald Trump in at least Pennsylvania and Michigan and Wisconsin in North Carolina.”

      “I think that this is precedent from 2000. If the election was fatally compromised, and it’s up to the legislature to decide that, then the legislature chooses the electors. Governor has no veto.”

Connivin Caniff | November 4, 2020 at 1:20 pm

The Senate can stop a lot of things, but not an overwhelming deluge of illegal immigrants. It is over. Bye now.

It’s time to start thinking of a Convention of States a little more seriously.

I just pulled up the Michigan SecState’s website and checked their election results.

Does anyone actually believe that the turnout in Wisconsin was 89%?

    nordic_prince in reply to snopercod. | November 4, 2020 at 4:31 pm

    Nope. I was in WI – it going for Biden is a load of crock.

      Milhouse in reply to nordic_prince. | November 4, 2020 at 5:23 pm

      I don’t see how you can know that simply by having been in one part of the state on one day. You can’t have been in all of WI. If you were in Madison you’d think any notion of it going for Trump would be a crock.

    notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital in reply to snopercod. | November 4, 2020 at 5:46 pm

    SEVEN Milwaukee Wards Report More Presidential Votes than Registered Voters — State Voter Turnout Is Nearly 90% Which Is Virtually Impossible

    ATTENTION PATRIOTS: Protect the Vote Rally Happening in Phoenix Friday at 10:00 AM

    One Thing We Learned On Election Night — FOX News HATES Their Audience and Wants a New One

    Twitter Bans Account That Shared Video of Man Claiming to Burn Trump Ballots After It Was Shared By Eric Trump

    Gateway Pundit

    I do not believe WI turnout was 89%. However, if you have access to the data it is very easy to test. Look at all of the surrounding states and compare turnout % in 2020 versus turnout % in 2016. If the WI 89% is way out of line, the 120K votes added at 4AM, per Giuliani this evening, are likely fictitious. My guess is fraud, with counting mail-in ballots last instead of first the perfect set up (so you know how many you need to make up).

    Note that Trump may join a rather select group to possibly have an election stolen. Many people believed that the Daley machine in Chicago plus the mob stole the 1960 election for JFK from Nixon.

    Also, in my opinion, Trump losing now makes 2024 more interesting for the Republicans. Without Senate control, a feeble Biden will get little done and 2024 will become an opportunity for a younger group of Republicans to be well-positioned (versus coming off of two terms of Trump). If the Republicans win in 2024, 2020 may turn out to be one of those “be careful what you wish for, you might get it” moments for Democrats.

      drednicolson in reply to jb4. | November 4, 2020 at 6:23 pm

      And nothing would stop Trump from running again, potentially becoming only the second president since Grover Cleveland to serve two disconnected terms.

      Too bad he’d spend it doing a second round of damage control instead of building off his prior successes.

I really didn’t want to be “that” guy, but as a loyal follower of LI and a fervent fan of the comments I am cognizant of the ones that make a lot of comments.
I grew up lower middle class in a family with three hungry boys, and we ate a lot of spaghetti, fish sticks and “Cowboy Stew” which was mostly spaghetti sauce, ground beef, carrots and potatoes.
I would have insantly recognised a handle pertaining to the one entree I have sworn off for life.
Here to troll and sow unsureity.

    WestRock in reply to scooterjay. | November 5, 2020 at 5:58 am

    you definitely weren’t “that guy.” Called it as you saw it and you were on target. I’m guessing you are either an engineer, surgeon or detective based on your dead-eye accuracy. 🙂

How can they call Michigan for Biden when the Official Michigan Website shows Trump leading by a large margin?

notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital | November 4, 2020 at 6:27 pm

Arizona Governor Doug Ducey Rebukes Fox News…
Earlier today Florida Governor Ron DeSantis publicly called out Fox News for their intentionally manipulative coverage of the 2020 election results. Adding fuel to this assertion, Arizona Governor Doug Ducey has a similar rebuke:

Members of Trump Campaign Hold Press Conference in Philadelphia

The Last Refuge

    I wish somebody would do a scholarly treatment of what irresistible force drags news purveyors to the Dark Side. I don’t understand the mechanism.

    (The loss of Drudge is explained by his selling the outlet and the name to someone who is not him, I get that.)

    Fox News proves it’s more than merely Conquest’s Second Law, because it was created as a conservative outlet and still went south.

      healthguyfsu in reply to henrybowman. | November 4, 2020 at 9:34 pm

      FOX is due to the liberal pivot of programming by Rupert Murdoch’s liberal sons that now run the network. Shift the Overton Window…that’s the plan (like a frog boil with slowly simmering water).

Everything and half the kitchen sink has been thrown at Trump by the leftilibral political machine and its lapdogs in the media.

And even if they get away with these shenanigans, they still only managed a squeaker victory for their puppet candidates. While the Senate remains in tentative GOP control (Mittens and company could still do some damage, unfortunately) and their House majority has shrunk. Republican gains down-ballot are respectable, also.

How many times can they afford such an offensive for so little gain? Even Soros’ pockets aren’t bottomless.

The famous words of Pyrhhus may apply: “Another such victory as this and I am undone!”

Theme to this year & this election… John Hiatt”s “What do We Do Now”

Now we verify and cross check every single ballot for eligibility and duplication.
Everyone needs to be a eligible voter, and no place should have more registered voters than eligible ones as they have in my State.

Anyone that voted more than once needs to explain it to a Judge.

notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital | November 4, 2020 at 7:20 pm

Joe Biden Campaign Seeking Volunteers in Georgia to ‘Go Door to Door Helping Voters Fix Their Mail in Ballots’ AFTER ELECTION DAY

Breaking: North Carolina Officials Will Not Announce Results Until November 12th — This will Prevent Trump From Reaching 270

WATCH: Suitcases and Coolers Rolled Into Detroit Voting Center at 4 AM, Brought Into Secure Counting Area

Gateway Pundit

you know – where’s AG Barr and the feds during all these shenanigans?

I swear Barr pulled a Houdini and just upped and vanished like a puff of smoke

This isn’t over until God says it’s over.

We went to bed confident Trump would win based on the map and our leading after much prayer for months.

We woke this morning to what obviously is an attempt to steal the election during the night. And so we have prayed many times today, often forcefully so.

In keeping the faith, I have been mindful of the number of times these last 4 years that the Democrats have plotted and laid traps for President Trump, each of which have failed. Bombshell exposes that turned out to be fabrications. How could any man, but a man who is appointed by God for a time such as this, walk through the veritable $h!t storm that Trump has walked through these last 4 years, unless God were with him? The man is God’s anointed and the Dems would do well to remember God’s command “touch not mine anointed”.

About God’s favor toward Trump, for the faithful with ears to hear, the Father brought to mind this wonderful old Psalm:

What if the LORD had not been on our side? Answer, O Israel! “If the LORD had not been on our side when our enemies attacked us, then they would have swallowed us alive in their furious anger against us; then the flood would have carried us away, the water would have covered us, the raging torrent would have drowned us.” Let us thank the LORD, who has not let our enemies destroy us. We have escaped like a bird from a hunter’s trap; the trap is broken, and we are free! Our help comes from the LORD, who made heaven and earth. (Psa 124:1-8 GNB)

He also reminded me, as many as do the will of God, they are the “Israel of God” (Galatians 6:16).

We have done our part. Let God do His part. Please keep the faith. Personally, I’m praying for some 1 Samuel 5-6* action for the Democrat thieves.

(*The Philistines stole the ark of the covenant from God’s people Israel, and God gave them all a severe case of hemorrhoids until finally they returned the ark to Israel)

    mailman in reply to MrE. | November 5, 2020 at 5:20 am

    MrE, you may end up in the situation of praying in various calibres between 9mm and .50cal if Democrats keep being Democrats.

    lc in reply to MrE. | November 5, 2020 at 8:19 am

    Archbishop Vigano says, and we know, that we are in a battle over evil and the NWO.
    Check out his latest missive. He is calling for continued prayer (Gatewaypundit has it).
    This man has been bold and brave in calling out what is going on in the Catholic Church (I am not Catholic btw) and in the world.

      We are, LC. I would not be the least bit surprised when gov’t announces the main spreader of Covid is cash. It’s filthy and people mindlessly exchange it as if clean. That Covid resurgence seems to track with increased economy – or could be made to look that way – together with coin/cash shortages – I expect part of this is to herd us into a cash-less one-world economy – part of which is each individual being ‘chipped’, ‘marked’ or whatever ID method a one-world economy will use.

“This is not evidence of fraud.”
As opposed to, say, late “ballot dumps” containing 100% Biden votes without a single Trump vote.

Without a single vote for ANYONE else…

Trump needs both GA and PA, AND one of NV or AZ.

Despite being currently up in both GA and PA, Biden seems to be the favorite in both due to # ballots remaining and where they came from, and what type – mostly mail in from blue districts.

Despite being further behind in AZ than in NV, Trump seems to have a better chance of winning in AZ.

Ignoring the Trump-Biden SNAFU, this was a pretty good election with lots of gains and staying even in the Senate. And the people of Portland proved beyond a doubt that they are a special class of stupid that cannot be fixed.

An organization that’s been cheating for this long and so effectively doesn’t screw up this badly.

I called this a couple of weeks ago: the Resistance’s goal isn’t to contest the election. It’s cheat so spectacularly obviously that Trump has no choice but to contest the election. It’s a win-win for them: if Trump doesn’t contest the cheating, well, they win. If he does contest the cheating, then they have their narrative that BadOrangeMan is a fascist dictator stealing the election.

I am deeply concerned for you all south of the border. From where I’m sitting, the only two routes forward I can see for the US are Venezuela or Chile, and Trump does not have it in him to be Pinochet.

James O’keef at it again;
Has a Postal worker come forward who was instructed to Back-date late ballots…

    Milhouse in reply to snowshooze. | November 5, 2020 at 1:33 am

    Yep, if that pans out it’s major. But it may turn out not to be true, or to be impossible to prove. The anonymous caller may be playing a prank on O’Keefe. It may even be a lefty plot to discredit him, though I think he’s smart enough to protect himself — so far he has not put his credibility on the line for this, he’s just presented it as it came to him, without vouching for it.

I am glad all those ballots are snugly tucked into bed, safe and sound, where nobody could play with them.

No one on the SCOTUS is going to believe that the American people freely and willingly turned control of the Whitehouse over to ‘Traitor Joe.’ Or to ‘CommieLa.’ Nationwide democrat voter fraud is blatantly obvious. TRUMP wins in a landslide, now and forever. Traitor Joe proclaimed it himself three days ago saying that they had put together the greatest voter fraud scheme in history. That’s not a fraudian slip. It’s the self-confession of a demented mind.

    MarkS in reply to getsome. | November 5, 2020 at 7:56 am

    Scotus will be of no help to Trump. The Libs + ACB and Roberts will be the end of Trump

      artichoke in reply to MarkS. | November 5, 2020 at 8:23 am

      ACB might not think that accepting obviously fraudulent results as “called” by known biased media is consistent with the original meaning of the words of the Constitution.

      Besides, this is ultimately up to state legislatures isn’t it? If MSNBC says one thing and the state legislature says another …