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Massachusetts: Thousands of Mail-in Ballots Found Days After the Election

Massachusetts: Thousands of Mail-in Ballots Found Days After the Election

But sure, let’s do this for a national election.

Mail-in ballots, the scam that fails everywhere it’s tested. See also, Massachusetts fourth Congressional District.

Days after Tuesday’s election and MA-4 is finding ballots, thousands of ballots in all kinds of fun places, including some 3,000 mail-in ballots that never made it to their respective polling locations on Election Day.

From the Boston Herald:

A recount could be looming in the 4th Congressional District race between two Democrats as more uncounted ballots surfaced on Thursday.

Officials in Newton, Wellesley and Franklin on Thursday restarted counting primary ballots after Secretary of the Commonwealth William Galvin filed a court order to authorize local poll workers to continue counting ballots that were received on time and had not been tallied by the end of Tuesday night.

In Franklin, poll workers Thursday evening were counting about 3,000 uncounted ballots — much more than the previously estimated 600 uncounted ballots, according to a spokeswoman for the Secretary of the Commonwealth’s Office.

The newly discovered 3,000 uncounted ballots were mail-in votes that appeared to have never made it to polling locations on Election Day.

The ballots loom large as Jesse Mermell trails by 1,377 votes to Jake Auchincloss with more than 96% of precincts reporting.

“We also believe based on conversations we’ve had with leaders in several communities that there may be even more uncounted ballots in communities across the district, and that’s deeply concerning,” Mermell said in front of Newton City Hall, ahead of ballot counting on Thursday.

After counting in Newton and Wellesely, Mermell picked up 240 votes compared to Auchincloss adding 174 votes — resulting in a net total of 66 votes for Mermell.

A recount can happen if the margin is 0.5% or less. After the counting in Newton and Wellesley, the margin in the 4th race is 0.93%.

But sure, let’s do this for a national election.


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Mail voting has no guarantee the sender is a legal voter, it only verifies some person sent it, and it could be it wasn’t the only one.

    Milhouse in reply to Skip. | September 4, 2020 at 6:45 pm

    Not true. In states that don’t require photo ID the verification is actually the same as when you vote in person — comparing the signature on the envelope to the one on file. And it’s actually easier to reject a ballot for a signature mismatch when the person isn’t right there demanding a ballot and insisting she’s the person on the roll, and you aren’t sure she isn’t, since signatures do change over time. With an absentee ballot if you think the signatures don’t match you challenge it and if your colleague agrees you reject it.

    And once a ballot has been accepted for a person they get crossed off the roll, so if a second ballot comes in for the same person it’s automatically rejected.

    There are all kinds of problems with absentee voting, it’s notoriously rife with fraud, but it’s not quite as easy as you make it seem. The fraudsters who know what they’re doing work a little harder at it. See the recent expose in NJ for some examples of how it’s done.

      BillyHW in reply to Milhouse. | September 4, 2020 at 10:02 pm

      Why do you choose to be gay?

      Obie1 in reply to Milhouse. | September 5, 2020 at 7:31 am

      I live in MA–there are no signatures required or checked for in-person voting.

        MAJack in reply to Obie1. | September 5, 2020 at 8:20 am

        Obie is correct, I also live in MA.

        Lucifer Morningstar in reply to Obie1. | September 5, 2020 at 11:19 am

        In the state I live in you have to sign the precinct book (which lists all voters that vote at a given precinct) indicating you’re at the right precinct and have voted in person. But nobody verifies the signature against any “official signature” on file. The voter is given the appropriate ballots, votes, places ballots in ballot box and gets an “I Voted!” sticker for their time.

        Milhouse in reply to Obie1. | September 6, 2020 at 2:46 am

        I find that hard to believe, but I don’t live in MA, so who knows. But in that case how is a postal vote any less secure?

        Lucifer, what state is that, and how do you know the signature is not checked?

        All I can tell you for sure is what happens in NY, and I can absolutely tell you that when you sign in your signature is compared to the one on file, and if they don’t look the same the poll workers are supposed to challenge it. But that’s hard to do with the person right there, and knowing that signatures do change, so if they’re not too different they’ll often let it go. I’ve only ever challenged a signature once, when there was no resemblance whatsoever, and indeed the person admitted that he was not who he was claiming to be (and seemed astonished that he was not allowed to vote for someone else). I know that the same check is done to absentee ballots, and it’s a lot easier to reject those.

    Fiftycaltx in reply to Skip. | September 4, 2020 at 8:19 pm

    I have seen examples of “mail in” ballots that had the voters party indicated ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE ENVELOPE! So you don’t know if the mailperson will chuck your “r” vote or “i” vote. Will the sorter route some ballots off to the “lost address” box? Apparently the most basic accounting principles are too hard for the Massholes. What happens if there are more votes than voters in a prrecinct? Fraud all the way around.

      Lucifer Morningstar in reply to Fiftycaltx. | September 5, 2020 at 11:10 am

      What happens if when there are more votes than voters in a prrecinct?

      Fixed that for you. There are ample examples of this actually happening in elections. And what happens? If it favors the democrat candidate then it’s ignored.

        There are no examples of a precinct having more votes than registered voters. There are plenty of examples of minor mismatches of votes cast versus voters who signed in and were given ballots; either someone was given a ballot and didn’t cast it, or the poll worker accidentally tore two ballots off the pad and the voter dishonestly used both, or there’s some similar explanation. But in no case does the number of votes exceed the number of voters registered.

          BriVermonter in reply to Milhouse. | September 6, 2020 at 9:39 am

          Detroit- 12/14/2016- “Green Party nominee Jill Stein’s presidential vote recount in Michigan may have turned up massive voter irregularities — in the Democratic stronghold of Detroit.

          Now it’s Republican leaders who are demanding an investigation to determine why a third of the city’s voting machines registered more ballots than actual voters, the Detroit News reported.

          The Detroit News found voting scanning machines at 248 of the city’s 662 precincts — 37 percent — tabulated more ballots than the number of actual voters counted in the poll books.”

To Brother Milhouse: R-i-i-i-ght.

For the rest of you, Nothing to see here, folks. Move along.

notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital | September 4, 2020 at 6:54 pm

It’s way past time to shut down the U.S.P.S. operation.

I suggest shutting it down forever this Monday, Sept. 7th.

    henrybowman in reply to buck61. | September 4, 2020 at 7:47 pm

    I don’t get it. Former DNC chair Wassermann-Schultz is storming USPS facilities to prove how unfit they are to handle mail balloting? Didn’t anyone give Debbie the memo?

    Lucifer Morningstar in reply to buck61. | September 5, 2020 at 11:25 am

    The congresswoman, who sits on the House oversight committee for the USPS, says she received pictures showing mail dating as far back as July at facilities in the area.

    Then release the pictures showing this “mail dating back as far as July”. Until you do that you can just stuff it. You aren’t allowed to enter a mail processing facility simply because you want to cause trouble. Or for any other reason, really. Eagerly awaiting the release of this photographic evidence . . .

    Milhouse in reply to buck61. | September 6, 2020 at 2:53 am

    There are countries where legislators have an automatic right to go almost wherever they like. The USA is not one of them.

Knowing how many ballots one needs to ‘discover ‘ post election day in order to achieve a victory is a handy piece of information to have. Presuming any political operatives would stoop to this sort of thing of course. SARCASM.

New twist on election-by-mail:
I just found out that my local post master is refusing to deliver mail to or pick up from our local college’s dorms. Reason? The postmaster believes COVID-19 prevalence in that confined environment (a box of mailboxes on the 1st floors) poses too great a risk for mail carriers.

I wonder how many other local postmasters are making decisions like that?

UnCivilServant | September 4, 2020 at 7:41 pm

No election without in-person, ID-verified voting is immediately suspect and the results should not be accepted. Even with the above preconditions, steps need to be taken to be sure that the voter is eligable to vote and hasn’t done so already in that election.

    kenoshamarge in reply to UnCivilServant. | September 5, 2020 at 5:11 pm

    As a semi-invalid I have been voting by mail for a long time. First I receive a registration in the mail if I haven’t voted recently, then my ballot.

    Nothing on the outside but my name.

    We like to be sure the ballot gets where it is supposed to go so while my husband, who cannot stand for long periods of time also votes with a ballot we receive in the mail he takes both our ballots in personally to the public safety building to make sure they don’t end up in a sewer somewhere.

    We cannot tolerate long lines and standing for a long time – I also have breathing issues but we still insist on our right to vote.

    Until old age and illness made it difficult if not impossible to vote in person we got our sorry butts up and to our polling place to vote in every election for the last 50 years.

    Those who still can – should do the same.

Ah, the passing of an era… gone are the days when ballot fraud worked for Kennedys.

Okay, who gets the bonus for staying up all night for two nights to make up ballots?

“Finding” ballots? What? After hundreds of years these yahoos still don’t have a system in place to keep track of ballots? Like maybe putting them all in boxes in ONE room? You know, something even a simpleton could handle?

If the dems think they’re going to foist Biden on us with this kind of machination, they’ve overestimated American patience. We’re very patient, but when we turn, we turn.


And I promise to pressure people I know to do the same.

Extraordinary problems require extraordinary efforts.


    So will I, but the problem is, we don’t cheat, and anecdotally, most of the request for mail-in ballots are coming from Dems and Independents. They do.

    LibraryGryffon in reply to Close The Fed. | September 4, 2020 at 11:50 pm

    I remember following the ’06(?) WA governor’s race where they kept recounting and recounting until they managed to push the (D) across the finish line. By the time they were done there had been some large number (2000+ iirc) more “valid” ballots voted in King County than there were registered voters. They also had at least one election official find a random box of uncounted votes in the trunk of his personal car

      The “ballots in the trunk” scam was the deciding straw in Minnesota, when the Dems stole the Senate seat for Al Franken.

      CorkyAgain in reply to LibraryGryffon. | September 6, 2020 at 12:54 am

      Yep, and when sensible people protested that those ballots from the trunk of his car were obviously suspicious, the Dems just kept on bleating “Every vote must count.”

      … and the Democrat judge overseeing the process agreed.

      Get ready to hear even more allegations that any attempt to prevent election fraud is “disenfranchisement” and “a threat to our democracy”. The playbook never changes.

      That’s the ’04 governor’s race. Christine Gregoire stealing the governorship from Dino Rossi.

2 democrats trying to figure out how many ballots they need to “find” to cheat the other out of the election.

The Friendly Grizzly | September 5, 2020 at 9:26 am

I’m sure that when those are counted, Kennedy will have won the Senatorial primary.

And this was for two democrats who were battling it out. Imagine if it had been opposing parties in today’s highly partisan atmosphere.

newly discovered 3,000 uncounted ballots

How very convenient. Surely this doesn’t seem legitimate to any of you.

We also believe based on conversations we’ve had with leaders in several communities that there may be even more uncounted ballots in communities across the district

Which communities would those be, and how do these leaders know this is true?