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Democrats Game Out What To Do If Trump Wins the Electoral College But Loses the Popular Vote

Democrats Game Out What To Do If Trump Wins the Electoral College But Loses the Popular Vote

“I think both sides are going to fight this [scenario] till the very end.” 

I’ve been reading about the Democrats’ apparent goal of undermining, even attempting to steal, the presidency with growing alarm.

Professor Jacobson has posted about Democrats laying the foundation for some sort of post-Election Day action:

I think he’s onto something, though like him, I don’t know what.  Democrats are certainly trying to prepare the country for a Biden win . . . no matter what it takes for them to make it so.

Therefore, it was with great interest that I clicked over to a Daily Beast article entitled, “The Left Secretly Preps for MAGA Violence After Election Day,” and buried in that hyperbolic drivel was an astounding nugget (archive link).

Of course President Trump will leave office if he loses his re-election bid in November, there is no question about that.  The goal is to gin up the idea, and the left’s base fear, that Trump will refuse to leave even if he loses fair and square.

The left wants this idea to be drilled into the heads of as many people as possible so that they can claim this is what’s happening when / if the election is close, there are questionable things going on post-election with mail-in ballots, particularly in blue and /or battleground states, and even, this is the astounding part, if President Trump wins the election fair and square by securing the Electoral College.

According to the Daily Beast, a vast array of left-leaning groups have joined forces to figure out what to do in order to boot Trump from office and what to do if he wins the Electoral College vote.  In other words, they are gaming what to do if the president duly and lawfully wins the election.

While the sheer number of groups and volunteers involved in the effort has given organizers hope, there is some fear that they may not all be operating from the same playbook. Two sources involved with the FBT [Fight Back Table] discussions said they worry Biden would concede a contested election too early, with an eye toward ensuring a peaceful transition of power. Inside the coalition, there is dispute over whether Biden should even concede if he wins the popular vote but loses the Electoral College, à la Clinton in 2016 and Gore in 2000.

Under that scenario, Eldridge said, his organization would not support mass mobilization. “I support the national popular vote,” he explained. “Our organization does advocacy for the popular vote… Unfortunately, the Electoral College is the system that we have.”

But the Transition Integrity Project noted that there would be immense pressure on Biden to fight it out if, for the third time in 20 years, the Democratic candidate won the popular vote but didn’t take office. In a simulation they ran, Team Biden “encouraged Western states, particularly California but also Oregon and Washington, and collectively known as ‘Cascadia,’ to secede from the Union” unless structural reforms were made. In exchange for Trump getting the presidency, for instance, Republicans would need to agree to abolish the Electoral College, give Puerto Rico and D.C. statehood, and divide California into five states for better Senate representation.

A top official participating in the FBT discussions said the possibility of an Electoral College-popular vote split did come up and that there were mixed opinions over what to do.

“It’s the hardest scenario,” the source said. “It’s 2016. But it’s that plus all Trump has done on voter suppression. So I think there is a question but I think both sides are going to fight this till the very end.”

This is something entirely different than sending out Bernie Bros (yes, that’s part of the article, go check it out) to terrorize and destroy Democrat-run cities.  I mean who cares at this point?  If these cities’ Democrat leaders and Democrat voters don’t care about the violence, looting, vandalism, assault, arson, and murder, why should anyone else?

No, this is threatening to secede from the Union in order to extort the United States of America into adopting a Constitutional amendment to abolish the Electoral College, the very thing that protects red states from Democrat power grabs.  It’s unconscionable.

On top of that outrage, as if it’s not enough to make one’s blood boil, they are talking about extorting the United States of America and her people into creating out of whole cloth seven new states, each with representatives and each sending two senators to the United States’ Senate.

For those keeping track at home and keeping in mind that California already has two U.S. Senators, that’s a boost of 12 (almost certainly) Democrat Senators in one fell coup.  (No, that’s not a typo.)

All that “in exchange for Trump getting the presidency” . . . that he has won outright by winning the Electoral College.  Clearly, agreeing to this insanity would undermine not just President Trump but the Office of the President itself.

And remember, that’s just the scenario they are willing to share should Trump win the election without winning the popular vote.  I can’t even begin to imagine what they are afraid to share because even they know it’s too scandalous.

What, for example, does “fight this to the very end” mean?  So what if he wins the EC but not the popular vote or how many times it’s happened in how many years?  If he wins the Electoral College, he wins.  Period.  No fight “to the very end,” no secession, no 12 new Democrat Senators, no nothing but more lawless leftist temper tantrums in Democrat-run cities.

If Trump wins the Electoral College but not the popular vote, the only acceptable response is, “Congratulations, Mr. President.”

Democrats need to be careful.  They are getting dangerously close to doing exactly what they claim to want to prevent: undermining our elections and destroying our long-standing tradition of a peaceful transition of power.  It’s not just Trump supporters who will have a problem with that.

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Nothing they can do. They have no time to change any laws.

I think it is critical that a ballot is not automatically transformed into a vote.

At a live polling place, There is evidence that a verified voter cast a single ballot. That is a vote.

For a mailed in ballot, it should not me counted as a vote until there is evidence that it was submitted by a verified voter and it is the only ballot that voter submitted. Anything less, makes a mockery of the entire voting process and takes away my vote.

A ballot is not automatically a vote.

    TX-rifraph in reply to TX-rifraph. | September 8, 2020 at 11:14 am

    No ballot should be counted as a vote unless there is hard evidence that the process is controlled. A poll has logs and counts can be verified. No evidence, no votes.

    mailman in reply to TX-rifraph. | September 8, 2020 at 11:14 am

    I am not worried about the “single live ballots”. The ones I am worried about are the millions of ballots Democrats will just happen to find in car trunks that magically just appear a week or two after the election has finished.

      Assume that those ballots are being prepared as we speak. Where are they? Who has custody of them until the “right” time? Can they be exposed before the election?

        buckeyeminuteman in reply to irv. | September 8, 2020 at 1:28 pm

        Early voting and collection of mail in ballots has already begun in some locations. Finding a box of ballots wouldn’t be proof of anything at this point. We used to all vote on a single day and it has worked out for centuries. I don’t know why we can’t demand to do that anymore.

        notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital in reply to irv. | September 8, 2020 at 4:11 pm

        Look for the ballots that say

        “Made in China.”

      Connivin Caniff in reply to mailman. | September 8, 2020 at 11:47 am

      Equally ominous is the probability that huge numbers of Republican votes will never reach their intended destination.

        That’s why you go vote in person, then they can’t just lose it.

          CaptTee in reply to Ironclaw. | September 9, 2020 at 1:19 pm

          In my county, when you vote, you place your ballot right into the counting machine. The machine checks for things the would disqualify your ballot, like voting for too many people for the same office and spits it back out if there is a problem forcing you to get a new ballot and start over.

          When the polls close, they feed all the ballots through the machines again at the precinct (an automatic recount). Then the numbers are reported to the County Supervisor of Elections, who posts the numbers on her web site an hour after the polls close in our county (when the counties in another Time Zone have closed).

          Late reporting is always one of the first signs of something else not being right.

          Voting officials at the Precinct, County and State level should face jail time for not meeting reporting deadlines and ballot received or found after deadlines should not be counted.

      TX-rifraph in reply to mailman. | September 8, 2020 at 12:01 pm

      I was not clear. Polling places have controls so a ballot is counted as a vote. What are the similar tight controls on mail-in ballots (or “found” boxes) so we can count them as votes? No controls then no votes is my argument.

        CorkyAgain in reply to TX-rifraph. | September 8, 2020 at 4:14 pm

        As far as I can tell, signature verification is the only control on mail-in ballots, and it’s a lot more difficult to do in an efficient, disciplined way when the ballots are mailed to a central location — as opposed to live voting at each precinct’s polling station, where the workers have ready access to the precinct’s records of registered voters and their signatures.

        My guess is that at the county’s central location processing hundreds of thousands or millions of ballots there’s going to be a strong temptation to do a hurried, perfunctory signature check or skip it altogether.

        Unless, of course, it’s true that there is a way for the poll workers to easily identify ballots from Republican voters just by looking at the envelope before it’s opened. (For example, I’ve seen one suggestion that the barcodes and the equivalent text will contain this information.) In that case, I’m sure the signatures will be rigorously and minutely checked.

          Milhouse in reply to CorkyAgain. | September 8, 2020 at 6:17 pm

          I think you have it backwards. I can tell you from personal experience that it’s not easy to challenge someone’s signature when they’re standing right in front of you. You’re basically accusing them to their face of fraud. I’ve only done it once. Whereas when you’re sitting in a central office, checking each envelope against the roll, it must be much easier to challenge the signature if it doesn’t look like the one on file. And the fact is that the recent NY primaries had thousands of rejected ballots, for several reasons including this one.

    I worked a polling station and delivered the ballot box to the election authorities. I did so in the middle of the night without supervision. There was nothing stopping me from messing with the ballots except my own conscience and patriotism. There is absolutely NO GUARANTEE, once the ballot leaves the voter’s hand, the ballots or any particular ballot will be counted – none, zip, zero, nada. We simply trust the system will work and the system people are as honest (and naive) as we are. The all mail-in voting system exacerbates the potential and probability of ballot tampering and fraud. Unless trust returns to this nation, it cannot survive for another 240 years. Even to the 2024 election is problematic.

      Milhouse in reply to Indigo Red. | September 8, 2020 at 6:13 pm

      I don’t know how it works in your state, but in NY the poll worker in charge of this (that would be me) seals the boxes, records the seal numbers on the returns, and hands the boxes over to the police to transport to the Board of Elections. Once the boxes are sealed they can’t be tampered with until they’re opened at the other end. The number of ballots that are supposed to be in each box is recorded, and had better match what is found. The total number of ballots in all the boxes is reconciled with the number of ballots issued, though if there’s a discrepancy there’s nothing we can do about it. (E.g. someone may just walk off with their ballot instead of casting it.)

        bhwms in reply to Milhouse. | September 9, 2020 at 8:54 am

        This is how it works in NH also, except each polling place does their tally locally and also submits the tally. The ballots are kept sealed in case of a recount and only opened in that case.

        Mail-in voting would completely disrupt this. It means additional boxes of ballots would have to be kept (open) out of view of the public until they were sealed and sent to Concord. The possibilities for mischief multiply rapidly in a mail-in voting where the end-date doesn’t match election day.

        The number of ballots that are supposed to be in each box is recorded, and had better match what is found.

        What is the procedure if they don’t match?

      DaveGinOly in reply to Indigo Red. | September 8, 2020 at 6:29 pm

      I know a woman who used to work for a seafood distributor in Seattle. (She knew some of the crewmen from “Deadliest Catch.”) She would sometimes have parties at which we would eat crab until we were sick. She would get cases of crab because the paperwork that followed the shipment wasn’t kept up properly. (The temperature must be checked every so often, and the manifest must properly document the check.) If the paperwork hadn’t been done properly, it couldn’t be sold. So the company would just give it away to employees.

      It seems to me that the delivery of seafood is more carefully documented, and the documentation taken more seriously, than the collection and counting of ballots.

    MattMusson in reply to TX-rifraph. | September 8, 2020 at 3:32 pm

    Democrat Federal Judges will order States to continue counting Mail-in votes that arrive AFTER the statutory deadlines.

    They will force states to keep counting as long as Trump is Ahead.

      notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital in reply to MattMusson. | September 8, 2020 at 4:14 pm

      Counting after the DEAD LINE?

      No.

      By then it’s time to……..

      CorkyAgain in reply to MattMusson. | September 8, 2020 at 4:28 pm

      As others have pointed out, in many states the requirement is only that the mailed-in ballot is postmarked no later than the specified deadline. There might be delays before they are actually received by election officials.

      This is where the Dem’s fellow-travelers in the post office will have their opportunity to contribute to the Cause.

    Milhouse in reply to TX-rifraph. | September 8, 2020 at 6:19 pm

    At a live polling place, There is evidence that a verified voter cast a single ballot. That is a vote.

    What evidence? In NY the only evidence we’re allowed to look for is that the signature matches the one on file; and that happens exactly the same way with postal votes.

They really think they can literally hold the union hostage to get the EC abolished? Not enough states would go for that.

all i have to say is: ammoseek.com

they want it.

it’s coming.

be ready.

Of course, no comments from the Left on what they will do if THEY legitimately lose, cause such a thing CANNOT happen. Any Trump win would be illegitimate by definition!

So the 3 states “succeed”. So what. That’s 70 electoral votes Trump wasn’t getting anyway. And if the electors are disqualified Biden doesn’t either. So let em. Disqualify the electors and Trump only needs 234 to win. Then punish the crap out of the three stars when they beg to become US citizens again.

    cindelicato in reply to CPOMustang. | September 8, 2020 at 11:49 am

    I agree with you those electoral votes loss are Bluer than Blue.

    What about the 12 new Blue Senators?

    Close The Fed in reply to CPOMustang. | September 8, 2020 at 2:26 pm

    Secede.

    DaveGinOly in reply to CPOMustang. | September 8, 2020 at 6:50 pm

    If anyone seriously agitates for the secession of “Cascadia,” that will be the time for eastern WA and OR, and northern CA to declare their adherence to the Union, and to form 3 new red states. The rest of WA, OR, and CA can secede, and take their Democrats with them. Let them run their commie experiment by themselves and we can see how well (or not) it works out for them.

    The same goes for any attempt to split CA or to admit PR and DC to the Union as states. Such actions will be met by similar demands from red areas wishing to detach themselves from blue control. (The admission of DC would be particularly problematic, as the current area occupied by the District was ceded by Maryland for the purpose of being used as an independent district for the seat of the federal government. When in 1847 DC surrendered the portion on the south side of the Potomac, that territory reverted to Virginia, as it was no longer needed for the purpose for which it had been ceded. At best, the land would have to revert to MD, and then MD would have to allow its secession in order to form a new state.)

    Really, sometimes you have to be careful what you ask for. Law of unintended consequences and all that.

And yet there are still many who think that this will just be another “normal” election and that the Dems will roll over and concede when they lose, even though that hasn’t happened in years. The warning signs have been there literally for decades, as they’ve stolen election after election and yet people still think (and say) that it’s impossible to steal a presidential election. I think, and expect, that no Republican, including Trump, will win even a single district this year where Democrats control the process (although I’d be tickled pink if I were wrong). Is it too soon to call this the end of the republic? Well, if you can’t trust the integrity of half of the participants, how can you trust the results anymore? I’m old enough to expect that this is the last presidential election I’ll see, and I hate to think that it’ll be the last one that actually counts.

    Voyager in reply to txvet2. | September 8, 2020 at 1:41 pm

    If they secceed, then it’s a Civil war and the US can lawfuly send in the troops to end it, reconstruct the government, and bar the majority of the politicians who advocated it from ever holding federal office again.

    It would be cutting of their neck to spite their face.

      Close The Fed in reply to Voyager. | September 8, 2020 at 2:31 pm

      This is so not true.

      Our constitution, Abe Lincoln the Tyrant notwithstanding, doesn’t allow the federal government to declare war on a state or states.

      Lincoln used the constitution like his own personal door mat. Don’t follow in his footsteps.

        tom_swift in reply to Close The Fed. | September 8, 2020 at 5:44 pm

        Suppression of internal rebellions has nothing to do with wars between sovereign states.

        Lincoln almost bungled the legal situation when he declared ports in the southern states to be under blockade. A country can blockade another country’s ports, but closes its own ports. Declaring a “blockade” could be seen as a tacit admission that the conflict was one between two countries, rather than suppression of a rebellious region. Britain could have used that blunder as an excuse to recognize the Confederacy, which would mean that the new country could get loans from British banks. And of course the Royal Navy would then have to force access to the ports and assist Confederate victory, just to be confident that those loans could eventually be repaid. In the event, Britain passed on the opportunity; PM Palmerston was not hot for a war with the US, no matter what the British press or the mill owners had to say about it.

          Milhouse in reply to tom_swift. | September 8, 2020 at 6:22 pm

          There are no “magic words” in the law. A declaration of war need not contain the words “We Declare War”. And it makes no legal difference whether you call something a blockade or a closure.

          DaveGinOly in reply to tom_swift. | September 8, 2020 at 7:07 pm

          When the South seceded, they had a problem – the existence of multiple federal installations within their borders, aka “insular possessions” of the federal government. The South attempted to negotiate with Lincoln over them, but Lincoln wouldn’t engage, believing to do so would be recognition of the Confederacy as a legitimate nation. So the problem festered, until the Confederacy made the mistake of opening fire on one of them.

          Up until that time, there was little enthusiasm in the North for a war (although there was great agitation for one from abolitionists). That changed with the attack on Ft. Sumter. It gave Lincoln what he needed for citizens of the Union to demand war. For the Confederacy, it was a huge mistake.

          Should “Cascadia” secede, what would justify a war to bring them back? Because SCOTUS has called secession unlawful? (In a terrible decision that I believe actually nullifies the existence of the United States. If a people don’t have a right to disassociation, by what right did we disassociate from Great Britain?) Hardly. Do you think they will open fire on US insular possessions withing their borders? Doubtful. More likely, their secession will be met with “Good riddance.” Let them go. It will not be worth fighting to get them back. Give them enough time and they’ll likely want to come back on their own (to have someone bail them out of debt), by which time nobody will want them. And if they become a roaring success? Then they will light the way for the rest of us. (I will not hold my breath.)

          Close The Fed in reply to tom_swift. | September 9, 2020 at 4:46 am

          I hear you, Tom, but you know these “internal” riots are SANCTIONED by the governments of those states.

          So they’re not actually internal rebellions. They’re the paramilitary wing of the ruling parties.

          Close The Fed in reply to tom_swift. | September 9, 2020 at 4:47 am

          Also, Dave, thank you very much for your comment.

          CorkyAgain in reply to tom_swift. | September 10, 2020 at 2:36 pm

          When the South seceded, they had a problem – the existence of multiple federal installations within their borders, aka “insular possessions” of the federal government. […]
          Should “Cascadia” secede, what would justify a war to bring them back?

          I don’t know about Oregon, but here in western WA there’s a big navy base in Bremerton, an air force base on Whidbey Island, and the army has Fort Lewis near Tacoma. I think the federal government would be very reluctant to give those up without a fight.

          CorkyAgain in reply to tom_swift. | September 10, 2020 at 2:52 pm

          I don’t know why I keep thinking the Whidbey Island base is Air Force. It’s Navy. The Air Force is at McChord AFB in the vicinity of Ft. Lewis.

          Of these bases in western WA, the Puget Sound shipyards in Bremerton might be the most strategic. Check out the satellite view on Google Maps: there are currently two big aircraft carriers there.

Michael Johnson | September 8, 2020 at 11:55 am

The major issue is that the current Democrat Party leadership and their far left supporters do not accept the idea of a limited government or our Constitution which was designed to insure that.

They are totalitarians who deny history and that 2+2=4 if the state says different. If they even know what enumerated powers or individual rights are, they deny them. Calling them anarchists gives them too much credit.

As the Dilbert Comic Author said to Hillary in 2016 about winning the popular vote… congratulations, she won the contest we weren’t having.

Thanks for posting this. I have been following this for a few weeks now. I believe they tried this in 2000 with the Gore Election and have been testing ways to cheat since then. (actually since the Nixon/Kennedy election).

It is obvious what they are up to. Let send out to 100% of possible voters and claim they all did not get their vote counted, thus the election is no good.

Trump would have to overcome a huge margin to claim victory. I can’t see that happening. That is their plan, to invalidate the election.

My question is that if you can’t figure out who is actually in congress, you might have a problem too.

You need to read the actually report from the TIP and you can figure out how they are out to screw us. This is the same thing they did with the Plandemic. They table topped in in 2019 and created the mess we have today.

See link that was posted above – not sure why it is on the wayback site.

https://web.archive.org/web/20200908093515/https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-left-secretly-preps-for-violence-after-election-day?scrolla=5eb6d68b7fedc32c19ef33b4

Thanksgiving is going to be ugly this year. There’s a real chance the public won’t know who won the White House weeks after Election Day, and rather than feeling grateful, leaders in both parties are peddling grievances nonstop. Before the voting has begun, Americans have been told not to trust the outcome.

And the worst offenders are the people who think they believe in the process just as they prepare to tear the country apart if they lose.

A bipartisan group of 100 or so left-wing luminaries, institutional graybeards, and never-Trumpers came together to work on what they named the Transition Integrity Project, their response to their conviction that President Donald Trump will contest the result “by both legal and extra-legal means.”

Here is the Transition Integrity Project document link:

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/08/03/nation/transition-integrity-projects-full-report/

Today I came to the conclusion that they are fine with destroying the USA if they cannot control the government. Either way they get what they want. This is the strategy ever since they lost the ability to gut the constitution via SCOTUS when Hilary failed them.

    stablesort in reply to Martin. | September 8, 2020 at 2:01 pm

    “…they are fine with destroying the USA if they cannot control the government.”

    …and they will destroy the USA if they do control the government.

    Grrr8 American in reply to Martin. | September 8, 2020 at 10:56 pm

    I would say that destroying the USA has been the ultimate goal of the Progressive movement since it started over 100 years ago.

    They might let us keep the name, for appearances sake, but have always intended to “fundamentally transform” this nation as founded.

    Woodrow Wilson, the first Progressive President, openly despised the Constitution.

    Katy L. Stamper in reply to Martin. | September 9, 2020 at 4:53 am

    They will crash the plane if they can’t control it.

    They will crash the plane.

“They are getting dangerously close to doing exactly what they claim to want to prevent: undermining our elections and destroying our long-standing tradition of a peaceful transition of power. It’s not just Trump supporters who will have a problem with that.”

I was with you until that last sentence. You imply that there will be some huge backlash; I disagree. Will half of the country be outraged and angry? Yes. But roughly half the country has already bought into the “get the fascist out by any means necessary” bs, and they will be more than happy to go along with the plan. Look at how many people seriously now believe that Pres. Trump is a Russian spy, and add on top of that the percentage who suspect that something fishy is going on (where there’s smoke, there’s fire, donchaknow.) The numbers add up to significant support of a movement THAT WILL BE BACKED BY ALL OF OUR INSTITUTIONS.

I hope that I am wrong, but I am so, so not looking forward to November.

It’s hard to believe that DJT is just sitting on the tracks, twiddling his thumbs, while an enormous train is barreling towards him.

Think: Art of War.

IMO, the d party and their surrogates and MSM allies are utilizing the basic principles of of Information Operations to shape the battlefield for the election. Very predictable but certainly effective.

Their themes are:

1. Red Mirage -Trump ahead on election day due to in person ballots being machine tabulated while many d voters cast mail in ballots that must be hand checked, reviewed ect prior to counting. The message to their base is Trump ahead but we have plenty of ballots to overtake the lead of the r don’t try to disenfranchise mail in voters by applying the rules.

2. Trump will not leave office of he loses. This is a corollary to the Red Mirage. It sets up the narrative to oppose Trump filing suits to prevent obvious d chicanery.

3. Voter ID is bad. This old stand by will rear up as we approach balloting. The mean r don’t want ‘disadvantaged’ people to vote. The r hate people of color, senior citizens and every one else who can’t successfully navigate the voter registration and ballot process. Also a corollary to Red Mirage.

4. Voting time limits for ballots. The mean r don’t want votes to count. The ballots the d will refer to will have signature match issues, be missing a valid postmark, have a late postmark or otherwise be ‘spoiled ‘

They will continue to push the basic narrative that absent r dirty tricks Biden will or should have won. Thus, a Trump claim of victory is not legitimate. This allows some options.

A. The d try some insane we will secede unless you meet our demands theory.
B. The d actively and openly urge a ‘resistance’.
C. The d simply refuse to denounce post election ‘resistance ‘ and urge Trump to concede for the.sake of the nation.
D. The d grudgingly accept the election but do enough damage to make Trumps 2nd term illegitimate an tarnished. This allows room for ratcheting up the legislative, judicial and bureaucratic program of resistance to new heights.
E. They choose one of the above but it soon out of their control to something approaching a civil war.
F. Combination of the above.

The grown ups in the d party and their allies need to get a handle on this before it spins into something no one wants to see. Continuing on this path will lead to very bad outcomes.

    Exiliado in reply to CommoChief. | September 8, 2020 at 1:57 pm

    I don’t think there are any grown ups left in the d party.
    The “something no one wants to see” seems inevitable at this point. It is coming.

“But roughly half the country has already bought into the “get the fascist out by any means necessary””

I don’t think that # is anywhere near as high as 50% for the reason stated. There are a lot of older Democrat voters who still think they are voting for Jack Kennedy and a lot of working-class folks doing as they have been told all their lives despite the party not representing them at all anymore (though this is changing). So, I give you roughly half, give or take 5% on either side, but not for the reason stated.

    txvet2 in reply to cktheman. | September 8, 2020 at 2:29 pm

    As some leftist pointed out on another website a few days ago, the American Revolution was fought and won by just 3% of the population. The rest weren’t Tories, they just didn’t want to get involved. Don’t think that more than that many are going to get involved this time either – and the most motivated are the young, i.e. anti-fa/BLM.

      Milhouse in reply to txvet2. | September 8, 2020 at 6:24 pm

      I don’t think there’s any evidence for that 3% assertion.

        txvet2 in reply to Milhouse. | September 8, 2020 at 8:38 pm

        In any event, the number of people actively involved in the revolution was small, just as the number of people actively engaged in the current insurrection is small, (and the number of people actively opposing them is tiny) with a corrupt media colluding to make it look like a mass movement.

Maybe they could riot some more. That’ll show us.

What if Trump wins 40 states and significant majority of. Votes?

California’s Prop187 anti-illegal immigration proposition turned many Californians off on voting. After doing the work then being backstabbed by pete wilson, people said F- it, what difference does voting make. 25 years later, we can clearly see. A blatantly corrupt and arrogant political ruling class. Extremely high taxes which buy us what? Failing schools. Crumbling infrastructure. Rampant homelessness. Dirty, dangerous cities. Massive wildland fires. Rolling blackouts. It is clear that democrat policies are well on their way to destroying a truly great (geographical/agricultural) state with great climate, resources, recreation… I believe PDJT should come to California ALOT before the election. He has a proven track record now, and Californians are sick of how things have been done here for decades. If we can get prop187 numbers, PDJT takes California and all the democrat tears and wailing won’t matter. There is a silent majority here, they just need to actually get out and vote.

    Voyager in reply to CKYoung. | September 8, 2020 at 7:11 pm

    What was Prop 187 and what happened with it? I’d Google ot, but I’m pretty sure the Internet records have, or will be, “adjusted” to fit whatever the narrative is right now.

Why don’t these people just admit that they despise our federal Constitution, too? At least that would end the charade/pretense that they respect laws, in general, and, our supreme legal document, in particular.

The Dhimmi-crats are conceding that they really want to live under a one-party system, and, they are going to make life miserable for the opposition, if they actually win elections. Threatening violence and disorder to achieve a political result is behavior right out of the German National Socialist playbook.

    Grrr8 American in reply to guyjones. | September 8, 2020 at 11:05 pm

    Think of Collectivism as analogous to a biological genus.

    We have species under that Collectivist genus: Communism; Fascism; Progressivism and Socialism. There are subspecies within those (especially the Socialists, what with Democratic Socialists, Fabian Socialists, etc.).

    The Progressives have been the dominant face of Collectivism in this country, but allied with Communists and Socialists here as well.

    All forms of Collectivism are anti-God (and so I argue that at root, Collectivism and all of its sub varieties are of Satanic design and execution).

    Which explains why they despise this divinely-inspired country, expressing fealty to it only for calculated political cover, not heartfelt love or even cursory allegiance.

    This November’s election, I believe, is setting up as a Biblical battle between good and evil, whether prophesied or not.

Let the historical record show that it is the vile Dhimmi-crats and their goose-stepping, jackbooted supporters, who are toiling mightily to bring about a second American Civil War. Not conservatives.

Voyager, California voters passed the ‘Save Our State’ initiative in 1994 which would have denied public benefits to illegal aliens. The left fought tooth and nail against it from the start, even assigning the number 187 to it (California penal code section for “murder”- those lefties are so clever). In spite of the blistering attack against it, it passed 59% to 41%. The left found an activist judge and successfully blocked it’s implementation. Instead of fighting through the courts to implement the proposition, RINO governor pete wilson shrugged his shoulders and let it die in the legal system. The majority of people are against illegal immigration, no matter what the msm portrays.

notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital | September 8, 2020 at 9:00 pm

Hmmmmmm……

Deplorable at Zero Hedge says:

“This is why Democrats are going to lose in Novenber:

Kamala Harris – Says She’s “Proud” Of Accused Rapist Jacob BlakeJoe
Biden said “If you have a problem figuring out whether you’re for me or Trump, then you ain’t black,”
Hillary Clinton says Biden should not concede the election ‘under any circumstances’
Attendees at the Republican National Convention were assaulted and accosted by a large crowd of demonstrators as they left the White House.
Hillary Clinton said “we can’t be civil to Republicans until Democrats return to power”.
Madonna said she had thought an awful lot about blowing up the White House.
Kathy Griffin posed with a mock severed head of President Trump.
A Broadway Play depicted the assassination of President Trump.
Johnny Depp said, “how long has it been since an actor assassinated a President”.
Snoop Dog and Eminem made music videos about assassinating President Trump.
Dozens of people were shot to death at a Jason Aldean concert.
Congressman Steve Scalise was shot at a baseball game.
Robert De Niro said “somebody needs to take out Trump”.
Carole Cook said “Where’s John Wilkes Booth when you need him?”
Republican candidate Rudy Peters was attacked by a man with a switchblade.
A Republican Party Office was set on fire.
Eric Holder said “When they go low, we kick ‘em”.
Trump family members received suspicious packages in the mail.
Secretary of Defense James Mattis received death threats.
Maxine Waters said “you get up in their face at the mall, in restaurants, at gas stations and you tell them Republicans they’re not welcomed anywhere”.
Sarah Sanders and her family were harassed at a restaurant, instructed to leave and chased down the street.
Department of Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen was harassed and chased out of a Mexican restaurant.
Trump adviser Stephen Miller’s life was threatened and he was chased out of a restaurant.
Attorney General Pam Bondi was harassed and chased out of a theatre.
Rand Paul was attacked and beaten up in his own yard.
Two Republican senators: Rob Portman of Ohio and John Boozman of Arkansas were harassed in their own yards and on their own doorsteps.
A 71-year-old female staffer for California Rep. Dana Rohrbacher was knocked unconscious by an angry group of liberal protesters.
A North Carolina GOP office was firebombed by an angry mob of liberals.

The truth hurts Democrats…..Can you deny any of these happened?”

Since when did the popular vote decide in a Constitutional Republic?

But the wealthier clients want something more than just a hotel room. Many want actual citizenship of the islands where they are staying. Barbados does not offer this but Grenada, Dominica and other Caribbean nations do.

“Citizenship By Investment,” or CBI as it is known, first started in St Kitts and Nevis in 1984. Traditionally it attracts Chinese and Middle Easterners who want a passport with more travel freedoms.

But in the past few months it too has seen an increase in U.S. inquiries. “We have seen an uptick in applications from the U.S. for people who want an alternative passport,” says Les Khan, chief executive of the St Kitts and Nevis Citizenship by Investment Unit.

Normally the two-island nation hands out passports to investors who never visit their country. This year is different: Its new citizens actually want to come to the islands. Some want to stay.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/oliverwilliams1/2020/09/06/why-rich-americans-are-fleeing-to-the-caribbean-this-winter/

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