#BlackLivesMatter protesters in ‘Seattle Autonomous Zone’ issue list of Demands
“The Seattle Police Department and attached court system are beyond reform. We do not request reform, we demand abolition.”
As Todd Herman covered here this morning, Antifa and other groups have taken over a several-square block area of Seattle and declared it an autonomous zone, It’s Going Down: Seattle Surrenders a Police Station and Four City Blocks to Antifa.
One of the groups in the zone, speaking under the banner of Black Lives Matter, has just issued a list of demands.
?This is the list of demands, BLM protesters have issued after taking over 6 square blocks of Seattle after city officials ordered police + unarmed national guard to abandon the area and their precinct bldg and stand down. #seattle #SeattleAutonomousZone https://t.co/QN7TA8f1w7
— Susan Crabtree Hennebury (@susancrabtree) June 10, 2020
Here are some of the THE DEMANDS OF THE COLLECTIVE BLACK VOICES AT FREE CAPITOL HILL TO THE GOVERNMENT OF SEATTLE, WASHINGTON (archive in case disappears):
Given the historical moment, we’ll begin with our demands pertaining to the Justice System.
1. The Seattle Police Department and attached court system are beyond reform. We do not request reform, we demand abolition. We demand that the Seattle Council and the Mayor defund and abolish the Seattle Police Department and the attached Criminal Justice Apparatus. This means 100% of funding, including existing pensions for Seattle Police. At an equal level of priority we also demand that the city disallow the operations of ICE in the city of Seattle.
2. In the transitionary period between now and the dismantlement of the Seattle Police Department, we demand that the use of armed force be banned entirely. No guns, no batons, no riot shields, no chemical weapons, especially against those exercising their First Amendment right as Americans to protest.
7. We demand a retrial of all People in Color currently serving a prison sentence for violent crime, by a jury of their peers in their community.
13. We demand the abolition of imprisonment, generally speaking, but especially the abolition of both youth prisons and privately-owned, for-profit prisons.
We also have economic demands that must be addressed.
3. We demand free college for the people of the state of Washington, due to the overwhelming effect that education has on economic success, and the correlated overwhelming impact of poverty on people of color, as a form of reparations for the treatment of Black people in this state and country.
Related to economic demands, we also have demands pertaining to what we would formally call “Health and Human Services.”
1. We demand the hospitals and care facilities of Seattle employ black doctors and nurses specifically to help care for black patients.
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Although we have liberated Free Capitol Hill in the name of the people of Seattle, we must not forget that we stand on land already once stolen from the Duwamish People, the first people of Seattle, and whose brother, John T. Williams of the Nuu-chah-nulth tribe up north was murdered by the Seattle Police Department 10 years ago.
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I’ve heard reports that they’ve even got their first warlord in the works. And that they’re running protection rackets already.
I say maybe the best thing we can do is to let them have enough rope to properly hang themselves.
I saw that report also, were they were wanting money for protection from store owners.
One shopkeeper with a 12ga. Just one.
Bet this was really done by a business owner.
San-Jose Police Fire Rubber Bullets At Riot,
Hitting Their Own 27 Year Old Racial Bias Trainer
In The Testicle…
Weazil Zippers
BREAKING
ANTIFA AND BLM added another urgent demand.
“Send Dozens of Trucks Loaded With Tiolet Paper NOW!”
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https://www.lifesitenews.com/mobile/opinion/archbishop-viganos-powerful-letter-to-president-trump-eternal-struggle-between-good-and-evil-playing-out-right-now
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You missed the other demand:
Please send us Soy Boys more Soy as the Homeless stole all our food. We didn’t have our avacado toast today and are suffering terribly. We’re about to throw a Donner Party and may go Soylent Green.
Too bad for them, because the homeless are also out of drugs. Goodbye Soleil boys antifa and BLM because you are about to get eaten alive literally.
Yes! “Help, we redistributed our food and the people without any took it ALL. Send more virtue signaling food!”
Where is Francisco Franco when you need him?
The Veterans’ shanty towns in DC during the Depression were cleared and burned under the direction of General Douglas McArthur with officers Dwight D. Eisenhower and George S. Patton. The vermin in Seattle deserve pest control.
Eventually, the squatters will do something stupid or egregious that requires action even soyboys and gurlz can’t ignore. Of course, they will choose the wrong solution.
He is still dead.
As they used to say on SNL, “He is still battling a lingering death.”.
Looks like Snake Plisken has more work to do if Antifa start taking any high profile hostages.
Put that loudmouth Indian woman in as a hostage They can keep her.
She’ll steal all their wampum and demand more.
I think she’s convenience mart, not casino Indian.
Literal LOL. Haven’t heard that one before
To Nanoushka: I f I had said “dot” and “feather”, someone might thing I am racist. ;{)}}}
They have Elizabeth Warren?
Lock them in, turn off the power, water, and internet. Let them starve.
Please place camera’s in various locations to entertain us.
And let NO ONE in or out. They have declared themselves autonomous, let them deal with it. (Oh, and tax – a customs fee – all their US bank accounts at 100%, invalidate all passports and driver’s licenses, and deregister them from any and all voting rolls.)
Remember when Bundy and one of his compadres stormed that BLM (not black lives matter, bureau of land management) HQ. They were summarily executed in a firefight.
Why is this group being given privilege for attempting insurrection to conquer sovereign US land? I thought all of this was against privilege?
That occupation was allowed to go on for more than a month, so be patient. And there was no summary execution. The one guy who was killed reached for his gun so the troopers shot him in self defense, just like any policeman would do. Just like Alton Stewart, one of the “martyrs” in whose name the BLMers are destroying the country now.
“Armed Autonomous Zone.” “List of Demands.” Barriers/control of access. Firearms. Serious question Milhouse, are we at Martial Law in the CHAZ? And not because some jurisdiction, government entity or court declared it. It sure looks as if the city capitulated, even encouraged it. Are we going to call this by a different name? “Armed Insurrection?” “Rebellion?” Criminal trespass? What is it exactly? I’m not being sarcastic or snarky, I really am curious what you think.
I think the President would be well within his rights to take them at their word and treat them as being in rebellion against the United States.
Actually, he would be failing at his duty if he did not do so.
No, he could choose not to take them at their word, and dismiss this as a meaningless little stunt. But I hope he doesn’t.
It was a little more complicated. One of the officers fired a shot which caused the guy go for his gun. The officer was charged, but I don’t know where it went from there.
The New York Post reported:
White supremacists and racist domestic terrorists pose the largest threat of violence in the United States amid nationwide protests across the country, according to a new intelligence bulletin.
The bulletin — which was sent to local law enforcement by the FBI, Department of Homeland Security and National Counterterrorism Center and reported by ABC News — warns of threats by left-wing and anarchist groups as well.
But it barely mentions Antifa as a potential violent group — though federal lawmakers have called for the loosely affiliated movement to be labeled a terror group amid nationwide protests against police brutality.
“We assess the greatest threat of lethal violence continues to emanate from lone offenders with racially or ethnically motivated violent extremist ideologies and [domestic violent extremists] with personalized ideologies,” the bulletin states, according to ABC News.
Well, this part is true, anyway. Racist extremists is exactly the problem. Black supremacists, to be exact. The fact that most of them seem to be white “allies” is a complication but not a great one. It’s still basically true.
with personalized ideologies
I don’t think I know anyone who doesn’t have some sort of personalized ideology.
But orotund phraseology does remove any obligation to say something meaningful.
How can they retry a case if they abolish the court system?
More seriously, watching the genuflection of politicians, media, educators, business, and entertainment, is more distressing than watching these idiots, who will likely self-destruct because of who they are.
This is well stated: People’s tribunals, in their own home neighbourhoods, composed of their family members. Unfortunately the same people’s curuts will also decide for all other cases.
The best response to leftist loons has always been and still is ridicule. They can’t stand to be laughed at and mocked, and it’s not only fun for us but pretty much on point in this instance.
This is absolutely ridiculous. They have their little CHAZ zone because they were handed it by Democrats in this putrid excuse of a Democrat-run city. Heck, a freaking elected official opened the doors for them. They are there because they are serving some purpose, probably to provoke Trump or us, but they didn’t “take” the city or their little not-America zone that is dependent on the city’s indulgence for water, power, for even being there. They could be cleared out in a day, maybe two, or they could be starved out in week.
They are not, by any stretch of anyone’s imagination, in a position of power. Even they must know that (okay, they probably don’t know that or they wouldn’t be there in the first place acting like national laughingstocks).
To whom are they issuing demands? To the Democrat mayor and other Democrat officials who are allowing them to be there? Who support their “cause” (whatever that is)? I can’t stop laughing at the stupid.
Hear. Hear.
Maybe, but I have doubts. If some city leaders and locals are openly supplying them with food and water and free access to city offices, what is to prevent them from giving the terrorists even more weapons than they have now?
Send federal officers to prevent any supplies going in to them. Or, better still, be humanitarian and allow food and drink, but only meat and inorganic, pesticide-laden, GMO white bread.
I nominate Michelle’s school lunches.
Wth Ex-Lax chocolate cake for dessert……
I nominate virtually anything on the menu at. Dick’s, a local fast-feeder in Seattle.
You monster.
Fine with me, give them all the weapons in the world (except nukes or dirty weaponry). What are they going to do with all that when they can’t get food or water? Not a whole lot.
They are just sitting in their cozy little zone awarded them by indulgent Democrats. Besides, they have weapons now, they tout their “training” as “combatants,” does anyone really think these pansy soy boys could stand against real Americans? They’ve never been opposed, so they have not been tried, they don’t know what they are in for if they do attempt this crap in areas not controlled by commies who support them.
Don’t worry, in other words, this is a ridiculous piece of theater designed to piss us off (or scare us). Don’t get mad (and certainly don’t be afraid), just laugh. They are powerless unless we give them power as Seattle Democrats have, and normal America will never do that. Without political and official backing, these pukes are just pukes. Sad little soy boys who couldn’t find a clue with both hands, a map, and a head start.
Gotta love this Patriot.
“Help! Call the police!”
https://youtu.be/UiutcZgHulg
I am worried as hell, if you must know. I think it it a huge mistake to underestimate Antifa and BLM. No one took a bunch of bearded crackpots squatting in caves in Afghanistan seriously until the took down the World Trade Center armed only with box cutters and pilot training. Antifa and BLM have enjoyed considerable financial backing and alarming levels of support from politicians and business leaders in the US (hello, Senator Mitt Romneycare!).
Besides, how are the terrorists in Seattle going to be removed? Cut off electricity, food and water? Their fanbois will keep those things flowing. Send in the US military to root them out? Some flag officers like Mattis are openly pushing for a military coup against Trump, and there was the recent horrifying spectacle of active duty soldiers bowing to the terrorists. I have the sinking feeling that like much of the Federal government significant portions of the US military cannot be counted upon to fulfill their oaths to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution. I fear there are Antifa/BLM versions of Major Nidal Hasan lurking in the ranks ready to frag their own troops in the name of “social justice”. Pushback from ordinary Americans? That will give the terrorists pause, but the first white gunowner who blasts a BLM/Antifa terrorist for trying to rob or murder him will find local, state and Federal authorities coming down on him like a ton of bricks. Democrats and even some Republicans have a long history of waging war on law-abiding citizens while ignoring criminals.
Like it or not, these commie soibois in Seattle have become warlords operating in a target-rich environment. Give them credit: they understand their enemy is too weak and divided to fight back, and as a result they have successfully established an ISIS-like state in the heart of a major US city with no pushback. I greatly fear their financial support and access to weapons will only increase as rank and file Democrats come to believe that they can successfully shoot their way into power.
They don’t expect “the Spanish Inqueastion.”
Special Forces type action… but would need suitable “provocation” to justify such a dynamic assault. Problem is making them martyrs by XiNN and Dem_CPUSA.
Mmmm, yes, you speak truth, ke-mo sah-bee.
No kiddin,’ Luth, your take is pretty sound: Given who and what we’re talking about here, I fear that too much comedic appreciation of the matter might, over time, just have some seeing the wrong show. This situation is as potentially serious as — what, a cluster of thus-far-localized cancer cells in an otherwise undying body?
Time will tell if the cancer-cluster-with-the-potential-to-aggressively-metastasize analogy fits — or whether, in the end, presuming it comes, the above pathology finding was just too somber and down to substitute for an accurately funny take, best suited for viewing a post-modern, Leftist-radical, mixed-type-de- pendency version of the Keystone Cops.
Maybe a harmonized response between these two — say, “Yeah, ridiculous and self-limiting, we think, from up here on Capitol Hill-Seattle, anyway; but let’s all keep a close eye on them, okay Quantico?” — might be more sensible, and prudent.
For even the Dem-Left establishment, at least its Puget Sound Branch, is capable of being exploited as useful idiots by these New Power Now, armed revolutionaries, due to Biden & Co’s inclination toward hubristic haughtiness (a la Joe’s closing comment to CTG, last week). In other words, are the Dem-Lefties sure that, in the end, as it were, the CHAZ bunch really — and I mean 7.62 x 39-mm/30-rounds really — works for them?
Just who’s using whom, then, might turn out to be the operative, bottom-line issue here.
My bet’s on the CHAZ crew screwing over the Dem-Lefty’s in due time. Totalitarians at heart, they’d want it all — readymade for their dream-world, whose arrival would come upon the necessary changes made to the present establishment. And I mean lots of select murder and social restructuring. This could become as real as any bloody revolution gets. I hope I’m wrong.
Erect loudspeakers and play Slim Whitman 24/7. It did wonders to the Martians.
Or, step way back in time: Buddy Clark vocals.
Griz, at first I thought you meant *Roy* Clark — which would probably also have the intended effect.
The danger comes from encouraging them. I live near a police precinct in Portland and have moved to defcon 3 given the increased probability that the little miscreants might overstep their bounds. I may have mentioned that there was a peaceful rally about 10 days ago which covered a 40 block area in a loop and there isn’t was at one corner, which made me consider that it was a trial run to assess defenses and access routes. At curfew time the participants marched to downtown to join the melee in progress there so some of the bad fruit was present.
All these “protests” are pretty dark. Kinda like country clubs.
BLF – Black Lives Fatter???????
RULE 12: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.”
RULE 7: “A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag.”
Hopefully all of the truck drivers refuse to deliver anything to the war zone. Let’s see how they last.
The President could declare Seattle a war zone which hopefully would greatly increase the cost of all insurance. Anyone who drives a vehicle, owns a building or has a business should see their insurance costs rise by a factor of 100. Once the people start suffering bad consequences from their Dear Leaders they should be motivated for fundamental change.
“War Clause.”
Although I have little confidence in “all hat, no cattle” Barr, in theory, at least, couldn’t RICO be used to take down every last one of them, plus their funders?
Some smart person or group is in there right now filming the next major hit reality show. You thought the Tiger King was a wild ride.
Yes and it will be like all reality showe. FAKE.
I’m done caring what happens to terrorists and looters.
“What blank-out permitted you to hope that you could get away with this muck of contradictions and to plan it as an ideal society, when the ‘No’ of your victims was sufficient to demolish the whole of your structure?
What permits any insolent beggar to wave his sores in the face of his betters and to plead for help in the tone of a threat?
You cry, as he does, that you are counting on our pity, but your secret hope is the moral code that has taught you to count on our guilt.
You expect us to feel guilty of our virtues in the presence of your vices, wounds and failures—guilty of succeeding at existence, guilty of enjoying the life that you damn, yet beg us to help you to live.”
— Ayn Rand, “Atlas Shrugged”
Everyone in this “zone” is a hostage. They will be used as leverage to gain supplies by those holding the area. Now, what should happen is that the President should declare this an insurrection. Elements of the 42 MPs, backed up by elements of the 7th ID, should be used to surround the perimeter of the “zone”. SF soldiers should be infiltrated to provide intelligence and to coordinate the eventual assault. Then, elements of the 75th Rangers as well as the MPs should enter and sweep the zone. Everyone should be detained until identified and then residents and the innocent should be released. The zone should be cleared of any explosives and traps and turned back over to the city. The troops should then be withdrawn. All damages should be paid for by the city, county and state. Those engaged in the occupation should be turned over to Federal marshals and held and tried as insurrectionists.
I think that writer C.J. Hopkins got it right: all the riots and terrorism are the bait. Invoking the Insurrection Act is the trap. If President Trump does it, then it gives Obama’s traitors cover to declare that Trump is a dictator who must be removed from office immediately by a military coup.
They’ve been overthrowing governments around the world for decades, and they’re pretty good at it. Trump is either very smart, very lucky, or both.
Hear. Hear
And Good President Trump is called by God
just as King Cyrus…..
Or king Nebuchadnezzar.
Not.
It doesn’t matter what Trump does or does not do. He will be vilified either way. It is no longer about the upcoming elections. Partisan politics is not what is at play here.
These people are not infesting a BLM facility which is closed for the winter. They are infesting part of an American city. And, they are holding the residents hostage. Waiting merely allows these vermin to dig in deeper. It actually makes it harder to free the area. It puts the hostage residents at risk as well. And, it emboldens who knows how many more of these yahoos in who knows how many more cities to do the same thing. What needs to be done is that the Federal government needs to use a lawful amount of overwhelming force and stop this activity RFN. And, they have both the necessary military power and the necessary legal justification to use it. If the military simply clears the occupied zone and turns it over to local state and federal law enforcement agents, that should work. It is much better to stamp out one fire rather than a dozen.
As for military leaders moving against the President, they can try that, but it is not likely to work well. First, they would have to be certain of very widespread support within the military. And, the US military is different from most other national militaries. It is not clear that the rank and file would support that. Also, with the various units scattered all over the country, as well as around the world, it would be difficult to consolidate military control over the nation. I do not think that a military coup is very likely for a limited military objective of restoring control to an area held by insurrectionists.
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and the Mayor of Seattle are being taunted and played at a level that our great Country has never seen before. Take back your city NOW. If you don’t do it, I will. This is not a game. These ugly Anarchists must be stooped IMMEDIATELY. MOVE FAST!
Naw, not in Seattle. They’ve been watching this antifa scourge build up for years (Seattle is their home base and training ground) and have kept voting Democrat. Let them feast on their stupidity. I’m not willing to risk one LEO (at any level, local, city, county, state, federal) life on these lunatics who were literally let in to City Hall by an elected Dem something or other. Let them enjoy what they voted for.
Trump invoking the Insurrection Act would play right into their hands. The media would have field day with Trump the Fascist, Trump the Totalitarian, blah blah blah. Let Seattle reap the whirlwind it’s sown.
Now, if this crap starts spreading outside commie municipalities, all bets are off. Then your plan makes sense. For these people I have little sympathy (though I do feel sorry for the business and home owners being “charged” for antif/BLM “protection” in their not-America zone). Again, though, this was a looooong time in the works, antifa has for years repeatedly shut down whole neighborhoods, streets, “zones” for practice. Apparently, locals were good with that. Try that “test” in my town; we have an awesome OK sheriff and a pretty awesome (heavily, legally armed) populace; these pukes would be run out of town on sight. Seattle welcomed them and let them train for this, let them live with the consequences, I say.
It’s heart-breaking for this native. Last good Republican gov in WA was Dan Evans who left office in ’77. Spellman came along later, but was a twit. By the time ’89 rolled around the people of Seattle would send Baghdad Jim McDermott to DC for nearly 40 years … I do sometimes wonder what the Boeing ‘bust’ of 1969-1971 did to turn Seattle Democrat – if only because Boeing was partly built on military contracts and tended Republican for the perpetuation of defense work. ( https://historylink.org/File/20923 ) There were many years where the defense and space side of Boeing kept the airplane side alive. As WA goes, there was also the Washington Public Power Supply System (WPPSS (locally “whoops!”) debacle which helped gut the state in the early 80’s?
Perhaps that’s the lesson? When a booming regional economy / business collapses, the libs rush in with their public assistance programs and thereafter are impossible to dislodge.
Boeing became fed up with King county, Seattle and Renton in particular, when the city/county shook them down for infrastructure improvements beyond simple access to the mfg plants. So they’ve branched out to a couple dozen states, overseas, relocated their HQ from Seattle to Chicago (gads). So I reckon Seattle/Bellevue/Redmond have found new hosts in Amazon, Microsoft, etc.
We’re OK as long as they keep the crazy on the east side of the Puget Sound.
“Now, if this crap starts spreading outside commie municipalities, all bets are off….”
Of course it will.
But in being so cautious, when it does happen, the cancer will be inoperable.
AG Barr was heard muttering something to that effect, before he went back to bed.
You fail to understand. Once the fire starts to spread, it becomes much harder to control. It is like having the FD show up to your burning house and refuse to attempt to put it out, unless adjacent structures catch fire as well. Besides that, we have to assume that most of the residents of this area, as well as businesses are not part of the insurrection. They are, essentially hostages. Should they be abandoned to the predations of criminal anarchists, by their government?
Yes, this is the faulty of liberal Democrats. Yes the State and local governments have abandoned the law abiding people of their jurisdiction. But the President of the United States has a duty, an over-arching responsibility, to protect the citizens if this country from ALL enemies, both foreign and domestic. To turn his back on that duty, for political purposes, would simply be wrong. He can not control how people vote or even what they say about him. But, he can do his duty.
I hear you, Mac, and I do understand what you are saying, but . . . this is not what you think it is. This is a group of duped loons doing the bidding of Democrats and their puppet masters. They are only there because they are allowed to be there, and from what I can see the goal is to scare people into doing something stupid.
They were literally handed the keys to the city, they didn’t “take” this area, it was handed to them by the elected officials of Seattle. They aren’t anarchists anymore than I’m the man on the moon, they are spoiled, indoctrinated, expendable losers on a mini-power trip BECAUSE they have been granted the illusion of power.
Look, if they took this area by violent means, overpowered law enforcement, shot it out with the National Guard, broke into homes and cowed citizens into submission, and then planted their flag, I’d be much more concerned. As is, this is so clearly being orchestrated by the Democrat Party. As such, it’s politics, not revolution. You respond to politics in a different way than you do insurrection. Do not play into their game, that’s all I’m saying. Chill out and let it unfold.
These idiots will be bored shitless in a week, there’s only so much you can do in a six block area when there are crazed rapper warlords running around beating the crap out of people for kicks. Occupy faded away because they didn’t like living like hippies and pooping on doorsteps. They’re already dreaming of mom’s basement and their planning stages . . . the reality is probably not at all what they expected and they’ll start peeling off (if they haven’t already).
You are making s lot of unsupported assumptions here.
The first is that this is being done by dupes. Whether they are totally incompetent dupes or not, they know, or should know that their actions are a violation of law. And, they are hardly harmless. You have rifle toting people actively involved in the insurrection and they are asking for reinforcements. What guarantee does anyone have that this will remain peaceful?
That they were allowed to invest the area, is moot, unless those who allowed this to happen are willing to accept responsibility for the investment and state that the insurrectionists are acting with the permission and under the authority of the state.
Do not equate what is happening today with Occupy Wall Street. Occupy WS was largely a modern love-fest. There was no looting. Most criminal acts were restricted to those participating in the occupation. There were no obviously armed guards and no one attacking police. Large demonstrations were discouraged by the police. The local authorities set up Zuccotti Park as a living area for the Occupiers. And, even though the surrounding businesses were negatively affected by the the Occupiers, it had no effect on the financial world, because it operates by wire. Today’s “demonstrations” are directed at the general infrastructure and citizenry and is both violent and destructive.
As to whether the Dems want Trump to move militarily against the protestors, I doubt that. If they did, then their tame generals, most elevated by the Obama administration would not be opposing it. Just as if the Dems wanted to use police against rioters, to cause problems, they would be doing so, not holding them back and entertaining defunding of police.
Look, don’t overthink this. The people investing Seattle are a combination of groups which include dopey SJW wienies, hopeless romantics and armed, dangerous anarchists and mercenaries. Some of these yahoos will get bored and leave, if they are allowed to by the armed people there. But, others won’t. And, just like Occupy, the longer it goes on the criminal acts will take place there, many against women. Also, every unarmed person in that zone is a potential hostage. If the authorities wait too long to act, they will be vilified for abandoning the people to the predations of the crown controlling the area.
No matter what the President does, he will be horrendously criticized. He will be accused of acting too quickly and causing damage and injury to “harmless demonstrators”. If he waits too long, he will be accused of not acting decisively and of allowing thugs to pray on the residents of the area. He can not win, with the press. That is why I say this is no longer partisan politics. It is about the duty of the President to protect the citizenry. LEOs are one of the only groups in this country who understand this, well. No matter what a LEO does he is both acclaimed and damned. You just do your duty and allow the chips to fall where they may.
Gah, I hate when we disagree Mac because I so strongly respect you and your viewpoint. Here’s the thing, though, what they are doing may be against the law in fact, but there is no one in Seattle who will enforce any laws they are breaking. This is very clear by the bumbling moron gov claiming no knowledge of CHAZ, the mayor lauding it as some kind of romanticized ’60s commune/love-in, and the local police packing up and leaving when told to do so (they didn’t have any choice, with both the Mayor, the local elected officials, and the gov in on the play).
Look, Seattle has indulged these antifa nuts for years now, and they are excited to see a commie zone erected; they celebrate it. Why on earth would the president move against something THEY WANT? THEY ALLOWED? It’s a suicidal move I hope he does not make. Now, if the 500 or so reported homes that have been zoned to the Great and Powerful CHAZ (no giggling!) begin reporting they are being unlawfully held against their will or that they are being terrorized, etc., sure, we may have a problem. But from what I’ve read, the homeowners in the zone are on board.
You don’t think this wasn’t planned out months or more likely years ago? My God, Seattle, Washington state, and federal taxpayers are probably paying these individuals and businesses to keep quiet and go along. This is supposed to LOOK LIKE insurrection, but it’s not. Not even close.
So, your position is that any neighborhood is acting well within the law to declare itself to be autonomous from the local, state and federal jurisdiction of which it is a part. Any neighborhood can unilaterally choose to bar the statutorily authorized law enforcement agency from entering and enforcing laws and it can arbitrarily enact its own laws, irrespective of the US and State constitutions and state and federal laws. I’m sorry, but this is the textbook definition of insurrection.
Being, by definition an insurrection, if the local and state authorities take no action to reestablish the rule of law, within the area which has seceded from the control of the lawful authorities, the President can invoke the Insurrection Act and he can use federal forces, including military troops, to quell the insurrection and return the territory to the control of the United States of America.
Your argument that the local officials in Seattle have the authority to suspend state and federal federal laws within any part of their jurisdiction is simply idiotic. They do not have that power. The State of Washington does, theoretically, have the power to enact legislation which would suspend the applicability of the laws of the state within this zone and could set up some authority to enact laws to govern behavior within this area and to enforce them. This, however has not happened.
So, what you have is armed insurrection by persons within this zone and that means that the Insurrection Act applies. You are arguing from a political standpoint that assumes that if Trump intervened militarily, it would harm him politically. In other words, you want him to act like the Mayor of Seattle and the Governor of Washington state. Is that what we want from our elected officials? Reluctance to enforce the laws of the land to protect the citizenry because it might prove politically costly? We are in this mess because so many of the political class embrace that position now. You are right, we need more of them.
Remember all those videos of Washington State car tags in the past few weeks?
Antifa, if you like your Washington State,
You can keep your Washington State.
ROTFLMAO
Yes, this. Exactly. I just read a piece about the language used about these events, saying that calling them “riots” is kind of racist, and that the more radical ones prefer “rebellion” or “uprising”. Very well, then, let’s take them at their word and use those terms. And you know what happens to rebellions and uprisings. What the constitution says should happen to them.
Good point, Mil, very well-taken, but maybe the formula deduces too smoothly and easily to really work. The enemy’s language, you see, is slippery, and its tactics slinky — a natural fit with their Dem/Lefty collaborators, quislings nearly all in the nomenclature game currently in full force and effect.
Words just don’t matter and suspend in the way they used to, their substance being now vaporous and ephemeral.
Words once were: consequential; are now: hard-to-grasp and hold, like Jell-O, and thus account-free, spoken or written.
Because of, why? My Truth.
Welcome to our postmodern dystopia. It’s the Orwellian nightmare we were all sure was just a great cautionary tale . . .
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=george+orwell+interview&docid=608052637356262682&mid=74639393CB287038866974639393CB2870388669&view=detail&FORM=VIRE
I am through “laughing” at these monsters.
They are attempting to mount an insurrection against the people of the United States and their lawfully elected government.
We ignore them at our peril.
We are in this predicament precisely because we have ignored them for so long, allowing them to gain footholds in strategically critical positions in the economy and the culture.
They have been destroying the values that made this country great for decades, and now we are reaping the consequences.
Milhouse, you are correct.
The Constitution provides the legal framework for Trump to excise this cancer. If the Governor won’t do it (and he won’t), Trump should move on these enemies of the republic.
No, they are not. They were handed the keys to the city by elected Dem officials, these are their co-conspirators, possibly or not anarchists. They are there because the local and state government lets them be there. Period.
This is NOT insurrection, this is ridiculous gas-lighting. Fall for it at your, and our nation’s, peril.
Absolutely not. Let Jay Inslee handle the situation. Why should DJT get involved? No matter what he does, no matter how successful he is, he will be criticized by his political opponents, the MSM will lie about it, and it will be used against him in the election. DJT should put out a statement declaring this a local and state police matter, and let the Dems who created this mess either fix it or fall flat on their faces.
Getting involved is a no-win situation for DJT.
I thought the consensus is that we’re against bailing out the Dems for the problems they’ve caused in their own cities and states? That’s what federal intervention would be – a bailout! Don’t support ANY bailouts for Dem-caused problems!
And as we all know, criticism from his enemies is kryptonite — he’ll do anything to avoid it.
In some alternate reality none of us want to live in.
How about a statement basically describing what Democrats have delivered to American cities and their residents, especially minorities, over the last 50 years; and, if you want CHAZ destroying a neighborhood near to you, the Democratic Party will not oppose it, etc. I suspect suburban moms are getting scared about what is going on and should be told that their fears are not unjustified.
I hear ya, Sandy, but is it safe to assume the likelihood of the inevitable and certain deployment of such a brave and ready, loyal active ground force’s response when so many former flag and command officers of late are not sounding, well, basically all for and all in w/r/t to the integrity, intentions, and fitness of our current Commander-in-Chief, who’d be handing down the initial orders in this scenario? Will they be followed? I’m asking.
For, and Fuzzy’s keen insight into and assessment of CHAZ’s strategic and tactical and history notwithstanding, the present clusterf**k, if you will, is still comprised of — it just kills me to paraphrase said and current top officers and even the SECDEF’s view — essentially peacefully protesting, First-Amendment exercising Americans. God, this is weird.
So then, and I’m really going out on a limb to speculate that I’m not so sure the implementing force-commanders, needed to carry out the above incursion-and-clean-up operation at CHAZ, would be supported by the chorus-sound of retired Pentagon 4-starred pensioners, siren-singing so deliberately and politically and yet so unprofessionally, untraditionally off-note as they’ve been doing lately from the grandstands. And the current Chairman of the JCS, GEN Milley, and the SECDEF, Dr Mark Esper, are only lukewarm for, not incompletely against the POTUS/CIC’s initiative on the use of regular/active military force on civilians.
I thus imagine, with angst, not only a lack of will to carry out the CIC’s very sensible and appropriate order, but, even a show of secretly appropriated materiel support for the Soros/Affiliated Orgs-owned BLM/Antifa-leading wing of the DNC and their pet-paramilitary, law-resisting, LGBTQ-dominated brigade of insurrectionists. WTF is going on in our country’s key leadership institutions? Do we even have a country anymore?
Anyway, there are much bigger and nastier, surely pernicious levers of power being operated these days, from both home and afar, and, therefore, I don’t think we can count on our military establishment to fight on home soil — even against what are, to us normal-minded, responsible citizens, clearly evident spirit-emptied shells of still-constitutionally-protected Americans, citizens or not.
This ain’t your daddy’s America any more. Something’s up, to be sure.
If they’re autonomous from Seattle, why are they making demands of Seattle? In one video or article, the entrance said something like “you are leaving the United States” …
So tell them they’ll need to establish diplomatic relations with the US, establish border patrol, points of entry, passports – their own currency, etc.
Shut off their power, gas, water, sewer, internet, cable, trash collection, etc. Cease all deliveries – all incoming goods must pass through customs …
Clearly they didn’t think it through very well …
spot on!
key west seceded from the union in 1982. It was somewhat tongue in check it did involve federal intervention
https://medium.com/war-is-boring/key-west-declared-a-faux-war-on-the-united-states-in-1982-f2c40b429e75
Thanks for the reminder. I’d forgotten about that – lots in the article I didn’t know – living in WA we didn’t get much coverage of that.
And none of them, as foreign nationals, should be allowed to vote in the November elections.
A Federal judge in Hawaii will make sure they vote as many times as they please.
Declare the whole city as being in insurrection and therefore ineligible to cast any votes. It’s been done before. Without Seattle Washington is a red state.
Mayor Durkan is starting to remind me of Ali Mahdi Muhammad. He was President of Somalia, but his authority only encompasses a few blocks of the capital. Warlords controlled the rest of the country.
What does Mayor Dirksen control now – and for how much longer?
Are they related to the Kenyen Obama crime family where Barrack was born per his immediate family there?
thanks for posting, i needed a good laugh
When I was a child, there were times I was convinced our small backyard shed could be used to house a pony. I was disappointed for a few birthdays and Christmases that I never got that pony…
These “take 6 blocks” kids remind of children: demanding stuff and having temper tantrums.
I vote just ignore them until they run out of food… then point and laugh…
Ignore them at your own peril: these ‘kids’ are street soldiers of very dangerous people and organizations who want to see our country enslaved.
I have to agree. Give the terrorists credit: they understood that Democrat city leaders were too focused on bringing down Trump and were terrified of being attacked on the Left flank to put up a struggle. The terrorists are well armed, enjoy deep financial support, have important allies within the city government itself, get their basic needs met by adoring camp whore locals, are worshipped by the media and big business, and hold the Democrat Party in thrall as well as some Republicans (Mitt Romneycare). Strategically their position is vastly better than that of al Qaeda, the media’s last fave-rave.
I hope their mommas don’t rent out the basement while they are gone.
Sorry for the following repost. It’s truly an exception to my own rule, but here goes.
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I bought a house in Seattle in 1996, and loved the city. I’d tell people that the only way anyone would get me out was feet first. It was a liberal city, but in the old school: Live and let live, spread the money around.
That began changing after 2010 or so, and by mid-decade I started to reconsider living there. I’d wake up in the middle of the night over it, not wanting to reach the conclusion that I ultimately did. It wasn’t just one thing, but there is one symbolic example: The city said it would open a “safe injection site” where junkies and tweakers could bring their street drugs and inject in front of doctors.
That really was the last straw, so after much thought and discussion with my spouse, we decided to take the handwriting on the wall for what it was. Sold the house in 2017 and put the money into 20 acres and a newly-built place in the WA State countryside. I look back and at times ask myself why it took so long, but in any case we’ve never felt the slightest temptation to return even for a visit.
Seattle’s setting on Puget Sound is breathtaking, and there was a lot I loved about the city when we left. But, in the end, I decided that I didn’t want to wake up every morning mad at the latest outrageous stunt out of the city and county officials, who turned from liberals into hard-core radicals.
Oh, and it helps that, where we moved, the property taxes are one-third of what they were in Seattle, with every dollar of what the house there sold for reinvested here. Little things are cheaper too: Garbage pickup on the same schedule costs one-third of what it did there. We’re on a well and septic, so none of the outrageous Seattle water and sewer charges. Our electricity is 15% cheaper.
And the quality of life where we moved is infinitely higher in every respect I can think of. We figured Seattle would sink, but I’m genuinely astonished at the speed of its deterioration. We got out in the nick of time.
I hate to ask, but to where did you move? It sounds great! I might want to join you there.
From the South Sound. . . .
The only thing more risible than this clown force from Antifa is the elected government of Seattle.
Henceforth, I dub Seattle “Mogadishu on the Pacific.”
Jim Jordan Delivers Remarks Exposing The Fraud
Behind “Defund The Police” Narrative….
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/06/10/jim-jordan-delivers-remarks-exposing-the-fraud-behind-defund-the-police-narrative/
So if they are declaring themselves autonomous from the State of Washington and the U.S. and they don’t have diplomatic recognition then this is all really simple if we want it to be.
1. They are not a nation state
2. They are in rebellion
Only signatory nations to the Geneva Conventions MUST be afforded protection and then only the parts to which that nation is signatory. Legally the U.S. can refuse to offer the protections of any provisions to a non nation state actor.
So at it’s most basic, these yahoos are no more than brigands, ‘pirates of the land’. Pirates are the enemy’s of mankind at law. They are owed no quarter at law. We don’t HAVE to utilize a law enforcement methodology. We are perfectly entitled to use a military methodology instead. It is the choice of the U.S. which we use. Personally I would prefer drumhead a court followed by immediate hanging if we use the insurrection act.
All that said, IMO the best course for PDJT to take for the short and middle term is to allow these yahoos to wither on the vine. They will run out of food. Work on ID of all these folks and their financial and material supporters. We can pick them up at leisure.
Let the Mayor and Governor do their jobs or not. Let them explain why to the nation. Use all the federal intelligence apparatus to ID these yahoos and their supporters for future actions at a time and place of our choosing.
Racism seems so yesteryear. After 150 years of interracial couples, the USA has all kinds of shades of gray. Does anyone know if their black enough to be black?
For example, if we take Obama’s Dad’s birth certificate at face value, it says he was 7/8th’s Arabic and 1/8th black African. Then BO was only 1/16th black. He was 1/2 white. Wouldn’t the white overrule the black, if anyone cared?
It has nothing to do with ‘race’. Or the flu. Or climate change. Or global warming. Or global cooling.
And everything to do with fascism.
At a press conference at 3 pm this afternoon (after the “autonomous zone” had been well documented on the national media and this website), our sleepy Governor Jay Inslee was asked about the takeover of several city blocks and a police precinct building by the rioters. His response was “That’s the first I’ve heard of it.”
Then a reporter asked him what he intended to do about it. He said that was a hypothetical question and he didn’t really answer it.
It also turns out that one of the city councilors used her key to let the rioters into City Hall, which they immediately took over and trashed.
That’s what you get with one-party rule in a blue state.
Inslee Knew.
start trucking in the homeless…it worked in Oregon that last time a nutty cuth throat indian woman tried to throw her weight around.
But feed them Ex-Lax chocolate cake just before they cross the “border.”
Mark Michaels on June 10, 2020 at 10:45 pm
Grenell has mentioned often since stepping down how in DC everyone is the same. So even if someone like the president fires or replaces someone, his choices are limited to the same Swamp pool of people to choose from.
The way to destroy the Swamp is to share the wealth of DC with the nation–e.g., move the FCC to Milwaukee, the FDA to Omaha, the Dept of Ed to St Louis etc etc. There is no reason for all the agencies and attendant wealth to be in DC. This would also help Virginia not be overrun by the Left. This is how it is done here in the UK where I live. It works.
The last refuge
https://youtu.be/jF5dqwNOdDU
There is no reason for government employees to have all of that “attendant wealth”. Are they THAT overpaid?
YES.
8 of the 10 wealthiest counties in the US surround D.C.
There’s no way so many congresscritters could have become so wealthy on a congresscritter’s salary alone. Someone else has been handing them a check (or giving them some insider trading tips).
It’s nice “work” if you can get it.
It appears the writers of the manifesto want a free college education because it’s unfair to have to pay to be indoctrinated.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=n_189LCn2mk
Uncanny Alliance – I Got My Education
Lots of great posts. The CHAZ is an enemy in the process of destroying itself. The way barrak obama wanted to manage the “inevitable” decline of America, I believe the way to deal with the CHAZ is manage it’s decline. Let then play their street theater out to the truly inevitable conclusion. antifa is a toddler running around in a soiled diaper, demanding someone else change it. The federal government shouldn’t take the bait and change it for them. Stand back out of poo flinging distance and let them ‘Lord of the Flies’ themselves into oblivion. This is a collection of narcissists, sociopaths, criminals and the mentally ill. Their self destruction is inevitably.
Hear. Hear.
Now to air drop all the national Dem leaders in there….
Just before the canabalism starts.
Cut off power and water, block cell signals and internet and see how fast those vermin crawl back to mommy’s basement.
So true! Can you imagine the crybaby meltdown if they couldn’t tweet or use the internet at all? They’d rather do without food!
AND cut off commerce – no food or supplies out. Also, when you ID the insurrectionists, recover all their funds that are in US banks.
I like your take, CK; it feels right. And while I really want your prediction to prove true, unfortunately such an outcome is not inevitable. Successful revolutions, if it proves to be one, rarely are.
A lot of key things would have to go our way and against the rebels at CHAZ for us to prevail; too many these days, however, are not.
I just wonder whether past rules and results operating in the Seattle area in relation to BLM/Antifa’s antics and test-trials apply to this larger, bigger, now socio-politically ripe moment, when big-picture rules and regulations are perhaps only now being conceived.
It’s a new day, no?
Gator, something to consider. The CHAZ didn’t make it one day before running out of food, because the homeless “stole” it. They posted their request for food, including their special dietary needs. They didn’t think beyond Day-1 how they would carry on their epic struggle against the man. I don’t think these people really understand what “farm to table” means. Farmers bust their azzes to produce product that enters the supply-chain/marketplace. If they think farmers and every one else in the supply chain are going to bust their azz to sustain the lazy azz CHAZ lifestyle indefinitely for free, my bet is they are in for a rude awakening. Same with their RX meds and “recreational” drugs. There isn’t going to be some historic Berlin Airlift style effort, dropping boxes of Adderal, Xanax, Neurontin and Prozac into the CHAZ. I know we have very humanitarian and giving people in this world, and some ‘Doctor’s Without Borders’ types will initially assist the CHAZ. But the realization that most (if not all) of the CHAZ denizens are spoiled, petulant n’er do-wells will end any long term assistance they receive. Why feed their artificial struggle when other people in this world struggle through no actual fault of their own. Most people in our country work for what they have. When the CHAZ sympathizers realize they are supporting a group of freeloaders, the support will dwindle and then cease altogether. In the meantime, sane people, AKA the majority of us, will get a good look at the results of their insanity and further reject them.
So, you’re saying we do now what should have been done more often when they were growing up? Send them to bed without their supper?
The gauntlet has been tossed down.
Inslee and the mayor will do the right thing or perish.
Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
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Radical Left Governor
@JayInslee
and the Mayor of Seattle are being taunted and played at a level that our great Country has never seen before. Take back your city NOW. If you don’t do it, I will. This is not a game. These ugly Anarchists must be stooped IMMEDIATELY. MOVE FAST!
YouTuber “The Salty Cracker” mentions that after years of saying borders and walls are racist he asks, “What’s the first thing Antifa did at their enclave?”
Yup, they established borders and put up walls!
So radical leftists took over by force, the Gay epicenter of Seattle and have installed their first warlord who immediately set up a protection racket. And not a single word from the alphabet soup groups who should be outraged.
As Much as I dislike Mayor Durkin, she needs to stay in office and take back Capital Hill. If she resigns from office it will only serve to embolden these terrorists!
So you can beat anybody you like without fear they can defend themselves?
Beat The Hippies.
I think it’s a local problem that needs a local solution. Let the Mayor solve it with police. Do they want city hall back along with their police station? If she can’t fix it, ask the Gov for help using national guard or state police and Let Seattle pay for the cleanup . No federal help unless they beg Trump. Begging must be on national TV and they must take a knee while doing it (or Just ask nicely). I would rather federal troops not get involved because innocent people could get hurt or killed.
Siege tactics: surround them and cut off all utilities (water, power, sewer, etc), don’t allow supplies to be shipped in, SHOOT ANY who try to leave who aren’t surrendering to the authorities (and if they act funny while approaching said authorities shoot them before they get too close), and we’ll see how long they last. They want to play serious games, let’s see how long they’ll last to a serious response.
What would Janet Reno do?
Better yet, what would the 1981 Philadelphia Police Department do?
Shake things up.
Tell them that they have 12 hours to leave. Also inform them that anyone arrested will spend a minimum of one year in jail. Everyone. No excuses. Let them study their political theory in solitary.
Not in jail. No.
They are terrorists, and have now declared themselves non-Americans.
GITMO.
HEAR, HEAR!!
I would suggest mandatory home confinement – at their parents house. Maybe they will learn something. At least their parents will have to deal with them.
The answer is Global Warming.
At last, I can understand why Seattle has become the armpit of the Northwest.
Governor Jay Inslee knows that Seattle will be under water, so why try to save it from political unrest.
Whose fault is this?
Parents who send their children to government monopoly “public” bureaucratic schools.
Churches which do not warn parents of the dangers of sending their children to government monopoly “public” bureaucratic schools.
Churches which do not run a Christian school, support a Christian school, or support home schooling parents.
This reminds me of my three years living in a hippie commune in the 70’s. Our goal was to become self-sufficient and ride out the coming nuclear holocaust.
The first year we grew a large vegetable garden which we planned to can for the winter. The ground hog got a bunch of it, and this was the year of The Great Canning Jar Lid Shortage. You can’t be self-sufficient without that piece of tin with rubber on it. This and many other things made it a Learning Experience.
One hopes the Seattle Zone children will be capable of learning the right lessons.