Wuhan Virus Watch: China Sending 1000 Ventilators to New York
If the Chinese government had not lied and covered up in the first place, New York would not have needed them.
Today’s update will focus on China’s recent actions, in terms of helping mitigate the COVID-19 pandemic it created in Wuhan.
New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo announced that China is facilitating the shipment of 1,000 ventilators to his state.
The number of people infected in the U.S. has exceeded a quarter-million, with the death toll climbing past 7,000; more than 3,500 of those deaths are in New York state. Cuomo said the ventilators from China were expected to arrive Saturday.
“This is a big deal and it’s going to make a significant difference for us,” Cuomo said, adding that the state of Oregon volunteered to send 140 ventilators to New York. Cuomo has also is also looking for ventilators closer to home, and has issued an order that forces even private hospitals in the state to redistribute ventilators to the hospitals most in need.
Cuomo may want to hold off on the official thanks, until he determines if the ventilators actually work.
A number of European governments have rejected Chinese-made equipment designed to combat the coronavirus outbreak.
Thousands of testing kits and medical masks are below standard or defective, according to authorities in Spain, Turkey and the Netherlands.
…[T]he Dutch health ministry announced it had recalled 600,000 face masks. The equipment had arrived from a Chinese manufacturer on 21 March, and had already been distributed to front-line medical teams.
Dutch officials said that the masks did not fit and that their filters did not work as intended, even though they had a quality certificate…
This fact has not gone unnoticed by the American people, especially those who are keeping up with current events via online news and social media.
Make sure they work!
— Joey Saladino (@JoeySalads) April 4, 2020
And are sanitized!!!
— Brenisawake (@bjnisawake) April 4, 2020
Such skepticism is warranted, especially if you take a look at the history of China’s actions in the wake of the initial outbreak.
Granted, it is unlikely the Chinese leadership realized the full extent of the problem until President Xi Jinping had to be informed by early January. Lower level bureaucrats reportedly did their very best to hide the problem.
By then, the outbreak that had been raging in Wuhan was too big to hide any longer.
The subsequent decisions they made seem to underscore a significant disinterest in helping other nations mitigate this disaster:
- The real numbers of the infected, ill, and the deceased are not being shared. This prevents the US and other nations to do an adequate risk assessment.
- Politico used a Chinese study to smear President Trump’s assertion that chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine were not effective. The opposite is true. If many of us in the alternative media had not pushed back on the nonsense, we would have lost a valuable tool in this fight.
- Three weeks ago, China threatened to withhold medicines from the United States.
- China diverted medical supplies from Switzerland, despite shortages of these items in Europe. With assistance from Chinese Communist Party, a group called the China-Switzerland Connection commandeered personal protective equipment from Swiss suppliers.
- In January, China pushed the notion that the virus was not transmittable to humans. Then, per 60 Minutes Australia, 5 million people to leave Wuhan, the epicentre of the virus, without being screened.
I would like to remind New York’s Governor that the Trojans thought they were getting a great gift, too.
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Of those 1,000: how many are calibrated? How many are defective? How many are sabotaged? How many are contaminated?
…how many will actually be needed/used?
All of them will be needed. And I fear many of them will not work.
Yesterday’s death toll was horrible. The obituaries keep coming in. People from my community, people I know, whose families I know, people who have done so much good for others. They keep saying this is no worse than previous epidemics, but I don’t remember death tolls like the ones of the past two weeks. I don’t remember the funeral homes being overwhelmed like this.
Where? I live in SF literally next door to a hospital and with three other hospitals in a 12 block radius. Nothing. No crush of dead people or sick people for that matter. Hospitals are sending people home all across the country. So where is it that you’re seeing an unbelievable amount of deaths? And I’m not trolling, I’m honestly asking. We need all the data we can get right now so share the actual data rather that anecdotal evidence.
Do you work in a hospital or funeral home? How many people have the virus in your community and out of how many people? What is the age and risk groups that have it? How many people are in the ICU? How many are normally in the ICU? How many people are on ventilators? Of the people that have caught it, how many have recovered on their own?
In other words, give us some real data. Otherwise, you’re fear mongering.
Brooklyn, NY. If we could go to funerals, I’d be doing nothing else today.
Check out the recent changes to the Worldometer site.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
If you check the sources section for each state, there is usually a link to a state’s official site which will show more info by county. Some states provide more demographic data than others.
They also added columns for cases per million and deaths per million population of the state. NY is currently at the top of the list with 6,220 cases per million and 212 deaths per million. NO other state is close to these numbers.
I recall a poem about blind men and an elephant. Each grabbed and described what they saw. The fellow who held the trunk said it was like a snake, the guy with the leg thought a tree, and so on. Milhouse is giving a snapshot of what he is seeing. We occasionally disagree, but Milhouse is honest and forthright.
New York death rate, 1 in 5000. I doubt Milhouse would be going to funerals day in and day out. I stated a few weeks ago that I would not know anyone who died of covid and would likely not even know anyone who got got seriously ill. I still stand by those odds. Oregon just reported 4 more deaths, all older, all with pre-existing conditions that were more likely the cause than covid. I had typed in a longer post on this but the tablet decided to eat it. Covid is just culling the herd. If we see a 2% mortality increase this year, we will see a 2% decrease next year because those individuals aren’t in the pool. The people succumb to Covid were already on their way out, it just gave them a little shove. When a newspaper reports the untimely death of an 88 yo person, well, my BS bell starts to ding away. The cause of death was being 88. This is speed bump folks, little more. Or a really long episode of the twilight zone where we are more of a danger to ourselves than the boogeyman. Stay sane is more important here than stay safe.
There are at least three funerals today that I would have attended if I could. People I knew, whose families I know. Someone from my grade at school. Don’t tell me about the death rate. And yes, the rest of the country is not getting hammered like this. Nobody should pretend it is. But here is it really that bad. And this post is about here, not Oregon and not Wyoming and not even San Francisco.
Thank you for sharing what is going on in YOUR community. Those chaffing at quarantine in places with very low rates of confirmed infections/deaths need the reminder that the reality of this modern-day plague is not the same in very place.
Maybe a targeted reopening of the country is in order then, NY stays closed until they break the back of this and places where there is low/no infection can get back to normal and put the country back onto the road to success.
Bear in mind this is from a Kiwi who’s Prime Minister is treating like us kids and has no idea of how to exit our lockdown.
Exactly. There is no point in locking down Wyoming because of what’s happening here. The desire to pretend that diseases don’t discriminate is understandable, because we wish it were so. But it isn’t, so pretending doesn’t help anyone.
I’m sorry to hear of your losses. May the God of all Mercy be with you as you mourn. I weep for you.
Clearly, this scourge is not an equal opportunity scourge, and some communities will be be harder hit than others. But no community will be left untouched.
How many people died BECAUSE of the Chinese Wuhan Bat Soup Flu Virus vs how many died WITH the virus.
Seems everything is being blamed on the Chinese virus regardless of whether that was the actual cause if death.
Conflating the two makes it impossible to actually accurately identify the actual threat the China virus is to people and just extends the pointless hysteria being driven by the Democratic media.
That’s a false distinction, because most of those with comorbidities would not have died now if not for it. Maybe they’d have died within a year or two anyway, but not now. They’ve died now because with all their other difficulties they were low-hanging fruit for the virus.
Why doesn’t Cuomo thank Chairman Mao too, while he’s at it, the dick.
Cuomo thanks the arsonist who started the fire, and then comes back with a pail of water.
… before checking to be sure the pail isn’t full of gasoline.
Is Flu Emperor just re-gifting the masks donated to China by the Bush Family International Crime Syndicate?
https://thenationalpulse.com/coronavirus/bush-masks-china/
iirc lot of ventilators are networked (maybe I am thinking something else correct me if wrong please) in which case I would love to see some go to labs for rootkit/firmware testing.
If we had closed the borders, New York City wouldn’t need them now. This is our fault, this plague panic could’ve easily been avoided. #CloseTheBorder
There’ll be a lot of debate over time about why NY, but I still think it’s going to boil down to population density and habits more or less specific to NY, like, for instance, the subways.
I think you’re missing the point. The virus originated in China. If we had a closed-border policy, which we should, we could’ve avoided this entire thing, and the economic devastation will be unimaginable.
this is how NEW DORK gets things done. They let the Son of Mario the Pious cry in front of the camera every day rather than get off his backside and start getting this over with.
Don’t forget that the Chinese also raided Australia of medical supplies in January & February, before many people were aware of the severity.
https://www.smh.com.au/national/chinese-backed-company-s-mission-to-source-australian-medical-supplies-20200325-p54du8.html
Does anyone have any ideas for the scale of the problem in NYC area vs other areas? Off the top of my head are population density and mass transit. Neither of which lend themselves to the ability to social distance.
Are there other local issues/quirks that made the NYC area more susceptible?
There is a video linked in the comments that has people going to hospitals in NYC to show the lines. (hint: there aren’t any, even at Elmhurst, which is the in “epicenter.”)
The post itself is people reporting how things are on the ground in their communities. Given the lack of actual data being given to us and the whack-a-doo models from The Bill and Linda Gates Foundation, which is off by an order of magnitude, citizen journalists are needed now more than ever.
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/04/04/ground-reports-healthcare-focus-whats-going-on-in-your-city-town-neighborhood/
barnesto,
Read that this AM. My question though is what factors make the NYC area different in terms of scale from the rest of the nation. Is it as simple as them holding the lunar celebration? Similar to NOLA holding mardi gras and the subsequent NOLA problems.
I would think that social gatherings and lack of social distance play a factor in the transmission. Think about spring breaks in the south, the funeral in Georgia, nursing homes in many places, the cruise ships, the meeting in Boston,etc.
When the states have a chance to do the contact tracking, some of the big clusters of cases are around an event.
Liz,
Okay, but my question is what specifically differentiates the NYC area, in terms of covid, from the rest of the nation.
Is there something else beyond the mass transit system, high population density and the crowds at the lunar celebration?
Is it that folks in NYC just didn’t pay attention? The news was out there so that can’t be it, the muted local government response notwithstanding. Unless we are to believe that the average resident of NYC is unable or unwilling to pay attention to what was clearly a big story from the moment PDJT issued a travel ban on 31 January.
Is it really as simple as population density and mass transit or are there unique factors involved that are specific to the NYC area?
In hindsight a lot of people seem to have got infected on Purim, which was when the emergency was just beginning and most people were not yet sufficiently careful. A week later everyone was being careful but by then it was too late.
Milhouse,
That makes a good deal of sense from the chronology. Small, focused gatherings allowing opportunity to spread within an intense grouping and then that newly infected group, being initially asymptomatic, unwittingly increasing the community spread at large. Couple that with the mass transit systems and dense population and the other asymptomatic carriers ….
That adds up. The spread would have occurred over a longer time period anyway, this if true, only sped up the process. It certainly didn’t create it or knowingly facilitate it.
Milhouse,
Maybe add in Ash Wednesday service as a distribution/transmission point as well. That would seem to be likely given that deaths are overall more likely in our Seniors and that Seniors are more likely to attend religious observations than young people. If true then coupled with dense population and mass transit the time line makes sense in the case load.
Elmhurst Hospital certainly had lines last week. Apparently they’ve solved them. But I’ve been listening to reports from doctors and nurses inside the hospitals here, and it’s appalling. People are being taken off ventilators; I don’t know why, since apparently the supply hasn’t yet run out. Maybe when a hospital runs out it takes a few hours to find another one willing to send some, and then have them shipped over. But the one thing nobody can deny, and that is completely unprecedented is the overflow at the funeral homes and the number of burials, all of which can be attended only by the immediate family.
COVID “ventilators” are the Katrina FEMA trailers of the pandemic. 50,000 ventilators by GE/Ford, 1000 from China, etc. The Ford ventilators, best I can tell, are “transport ventilators”, which will be of minimal utility in managing patients with severe COVID pneumonia. I suspect that the “Chinese” ventilators are likely in the same category.
China isn’t doing this out of kindness. This is full on part of their PR campaign and cover up.
It will fail miserably. Epic fail.
Test them on Chinese Embassy personnel before using them on US citizens. Just sayin’.
These are the ones that failed in Wuhan!
What happened to the 6000 ventilators he claimed were coming in from all over the world?
Hope they work better than the crappy “made in China” appliances I’ve bought
seems to me NYC getting hit harder due to a COMBO of population density alongside cooler weather than FL or CA cities would have.
just a thought.
heck I still got snow mix forecast later this week up here in Maine..
Here is a very interesting and non-paranoid discussion of China’s role in all this. This is the sort of discussion we need to have; let’s see how quickly China’s agents derail it into paranoid talk of bioweapons, so as to discredit it in the eyes of all reasonable people. There’s no question that China bears a large share of responsibility for where we are today, but we can only discuss it rationally if we avoid bizarre leaps into unfounded and unlikely accusations.
In terms of impact, it really doesn’t matter if it was a bio-weapon or not. The next time, given the results of this one, it may very well be.
“Granted, it is unlikely the Chinese leadership realized the full extent of the problem until President Xi Jinping had to be informed by early January. Lower level bureaucrats reportedly did their very best to hide the problem.”
Local-level ChiCom bureaucrats have traditionally low-balled numbers in fear of re-education or even execution. Briefly, Mao had to sweat out hanging on to power after the famine created by the Great Leap Forward in the late 50s. Local bureaucrats soft-pedaled the impact of famine when sending their reports to Beijing, hindering the response. No doubt the same thing has happened with this virus.
By the way, the hardest-hit neighborhood in NYC is, ironically… Corona.
Just looked at the Geller Report in the side bar “juicing the numbers.” We are clearly at war here because the truth is the first casualty. Now just waiting for the leftists to take credit for preventing a “disaster” which might not have happened to the great degree that was predicted. Around my parts the public officials are acting insane and the people are going “whatever.” The interesting part is that the millenials are those ones who are least at risk and yet buying into it the most. I would love to see a statistical correlation between # of tattoos and a belief that the Wuhan virus is the end of the world.