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NY Gov. Andrew Cuomo orders National Guard to seize ventilators from upstate hospitals (#UpstateLivesMatter)

NY Gov. Andrew Cuomo orders National Guard to seize ventilators from upstate hospitals (#UpstateLivesMatter)

Cuomo calls this “sharing,” but the mostly Republican and rural upstate region has a bitter history with Cuomo leaving deep suspicion, as Cuomo’s plan would leave upstate hospitals with no excess capacity as the virus epicenter spreads out from NYC.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnXLdEdVinI

If you don’t live in upstate NY, you may not realize how horrible a Governor Andrew Cuomo is.

Upstate, a huge region north and west of New York City, is Republican territory, and has been in revolt against Cuomo’s outrageous gun control SAFE Act for years. Almost every upstate county has, in an ultimately futile but symbolic act, rejected the SAFE Act.

Cuomo also banned fracking, which has left upstate stuck in economic decline as nearby Pennsylvania counties thrived. Upstate is shedding population and jobs, while downstate NYC and surroundings receives state government’s attention and majority of votes.

Radio host Bob Landsberry thinks the upstate (Republican) decline is part of Cuomo’s plan, Falling NY Population Is Part Of Cuomo’s Plan:

The undeniable goal of Andrew Cuomo and the Democratic Party is the political and social cleansing of a vast rural population which is culturally and philosophically different from its progressive New York City masters. The people who are moving out of New York are the people Andrew Cuomo doesn’t want, and their departures year after year are merely the falling dominoes of his tightening grip around the neck of a people he hates.

When Andrew Cuomo said there was no place in New York for those with whom he disagrees – the “extreme conservatives” with their Christianity and their Second Amendment – it was the statement of a policy. It was the declaration of an objective. It was a decree.

It was a verbalization of the war against the culture and people of rural upstate New York which has defined the Cuomo administration….

By denying upstate New York of the prosperity and tax revenues of hydrofracking for natural gas, he has made the Southern Tier counties among the very poorest in America. By imposing both mandates and tax caps, he has nearly bankrupted the municipalities and schools of upstate, and denied their elected leaders any true role in local governance. He is pushing hard to consolidate and eliminate rural, local municipalities, denying upstaters even the pretense of self-government.

He has attacked the rural culture of upstate with gun bans in his Safe Act, harassed the faith of many with his disallowing of religious exemptions in vaccination mandates, and imposed a progressive political regime on scores of counties where it is anathema.

He has dumped New York City’s trash in upstate’s pristine Finger Lakes region, and disfigured rural hills and fields with grotesque “green energy” projects that rape the upstate countryside to assuage the downstate conscience.

Cuomo’s “green” agenda continues to run roughshod over rural communities, Andrew Cuomo’s bid to ram industrial wind, solar plants down locals’ throats:

This clash has been a long time coming. Since 2014, the governor has waged war against hydraulic fracturing, or fracking, the technology that has unleashed an energy renaissance of jobs and cheap natural gas. Last year, Cuomo pushed even further with his green agenda. Under the Climate Leadership and Community Protection Act, passed and signed last year, the state must obtain 70 percent of its electricity from green sources by 2030 and 100 percent by 2040. And by 2050, the state must achieve “net-zero” emissions for everything — electricity, motor vehicles, industry, you name it.

Those are daunting benchmarks. Replacing all of the non-electric fossil-fuel use with wind and solar power will be a Herculean task, not only in terms of the rate at which those renewable resources will have to be developed, but also the amount of land it will require. Hence, this battle with localities.

Upstate New York already is home to most of the existing and proposed wind and solar development — and opposition to that development. Many upstaters are unhappy about the impact that 500- to 650-foot-tall wind turbines and hundreds of acres of solar panels will have on their communities….

Cuomo intends to crush local, home-rule-based opposition. Under the guise of the state’s budgeting process, he intends to declare an “emergency” that will allow him to revamp the process for approving green-energy projects. To wit, the projects are to be fast-tracked, with no regard for local opinion. The state will also acquire needed land, build the necessary infrastructure, including transmission lines, and hand it all over to developers.

It’s no coincidence that Republican congressional candidates do well in upstate districts, particularly Tom Reed in NY-23 and Elise Stefanik in NY-21, who are national party leaders.

It is these bitter suspicions of Cuomo that have been brought to the surface with Cuomo’s announcement that the state has ordered the National Guard to seize ventilators from upstate NY hospitals for use downstate:

The governor announced an executive order Friday directing the National Guard to take unused ventilators and personal protective equipment from Upstate hospitals and businesses and deliver them to the New York City region.

“I don’t have an option and I’m not going to get into a situation where we know we are running out of ventilators and we could have people dying because there are no ventilators but there are hospitals in other parts of the state that have ventilators that they are not using,” he said.

Almost immediately after the governor announced his plan to divert ventilators downstate, Erie County Legislature Minority Leader Joe Lorigo, C, got on the phone with the county attorney to discuss how to block the executive order.

“I as a county legislator have a duty and a responsibility to represent residents in Erie County,” he said. “Allowing our medical equipment to go somewhere else and leaving us completely exposed would be irresponsible.”

Erie County Executive Mark Poloncarz, D, said in speaking with the governor’s office and the hospitals, it’s his understanding there are no available ventilators to take from Erie County.

“There is not a single person who’s going to have a ventilator taken away in Erie County to send downstate,” Poloncarz said.

State lawmakers also criticized the plan with a number of Republicans, sending a letter to the governor calling on him to reconsider. Democratic Assemblywoman Monica Wallace said she also expressed her concerns to Cuomo’s office.

Cuomo reportedly also plans to use military helicopters to seize the ventilators:

Cuomo is not taking all the ventilators from upstate, reportedly he’s only taking 20%, but some hospitals upstate in rural areas already have only a handful to start.

Some local context: Adirondack Medical Center in Saranac Lake has 8 ventilators total. Elizabethtown Community Hospital has 2.

Cuomo, implicitly comparing himself to FDR, says he’ll only be borrowing the ventilators and will return them when NYC no longer needs them.

That’s a dodge — what if small upstate hospitals need them soon, will Cuomo pull them from downstate hospitals? Those downstate hospitals don’t need them NOW, the worry is that they will need them in the future.

Upstate hospitals don’t have a lot of excess ventilator capacity, so Cuomo’s plan is dangerous even in large upstate cities like Buffalo:

Upstate hospital executives and elected officials said it would be unacceptable to dispatch National Guard troops to pick up ventilators, masks and gowns from hospitals in areas not yet hard-hit by the spread of Covid-19 and deliver them to New York City….

At his regular briefing on the pandemic, Erie County Executive Mark Poloncarz on Friday said he had spoken to the leaders at all the local hospitals and could not find any ventilators that are not in use. He said he had shared that information with the governor’s staff.

“There’s not going to be any movement of ventilators from Erie County,” he said, adding: “There is not a single person who is going to have a ventilator taken away.” …

Kaleida Health, Catholic Health, Erie County Medical Center and two smaller hospitals in Niagara County last month reported having a total of 363 ventilators, although the two large hospital systems said they were expanding their ventilator capacity.

Hospital officials on Friday did not immediately say how many ventilators are in use by patients and how many are available. However, Poloncarz said as of Thursday evening, 179 people were hospitalized in Erie County because of Covid-19, including 90 in ICUs, with 79 of them getting “airway assistance,” including ventilators.

Kaleida Health, the region’s largest hospital system, said it learned of the action as Cuomo was speaking Friday.

“Today I stand shoulder to shoulder with our physicians, nurses and staff to oppose this executive order that is designed to pit upstate versus downstate,” Kaleida Health CEO Jody L. Lomeo said in a statement. “In a time of crisis, we do not have the luxury of spending time on public fights and mandates like this. Instead, I would welcome and encourage us all to develop a more collaborative plan that doesn’t jeopardize lives and result in further chaos and panic.”

Republican politicians have led the charge opposing Cuomo’s plan, joined by some Democrats like Rep. Brian Higgins:

A hastag has started, #UpstateLivesMatter:

https://twitter.com/LegInsurrection/status/1246423773198405633

The reactions have been predictable.

Cuomo will receive national media accolades for his caring posture, even though he is as responsible as anyone for NY State’s lack of hospital capacity and ventilators.

But upstate, the recipient of years of Cuomo abuse, won’t see it that way. Cuomo has, once again, painted upstate into a corner from which there is no escape.

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2smartforlibs | April 4, 2020 at 4:02 pm

How about his you tell you, fat cat friend, you gave all that tax money to for failed jobs give it back. OUtastate shouldn’t suffer for your failure and greedy Son of Mario the Pious

    Here’s how Trump can stop this abuse right now. Trump can use Title 10 to activate the NY National Guard under federal control. Then Trump will be in command instead of Cuomo. Trump needs to call Cuomo and threaten to take command of the guard if Cuomo doe not rescind this order. If Cuomo refuses, then Trump takes command of NY guard and orders them to follow Cuomo except for the part about seizing upstate equipment.

legalizehazing | April 4, 2020 at 4:10 pm

When the Bundy’s meet Coumo.

Wonder how Trump will react

I see that the professor is a fan of 9wsyr out of syracuse. Its 570 am if you are in the area.

Piano wire does a nice job on mafia wannabe creepers. Cuomo is one of the ugliest governors to ever hold office.

I can see it now, “well captain, we sent the spares in to be re-calibrated and expect them back in 4 to 6 weeks and the rest are in use.”

Cuomo is trying to start a war. I don’t see the National Guard doing too much. Most of them are from upstate.

rabid wombat | April 4, 2020 at 4:39 pm

Come and take it

Here’s a tried-n-true response protocol that every upstate hospital might use when the NYS Gestapo comes in. For every place where “cheese” or a cheese type appears, substitute the word “ventilator.”

Customer: Most certainly! Now then, some cheese[ventilors] please, my good man.

Wenslydale: (lustily) Certainly, sir. What would you like?

Customer: Well, eh, how about a little red Leicester.

Wenslydale: I’m, afraid we’re fresh out of red Leicester, sir.

Customer: Oh, never mind, how are you on Tilsit?

Wenslydale: I’m afraid we never have that at the end of the week, sir, we get it fresh on Monday.

Customer: Tish tish. No matter. Well, stout yeoman, four ounces of Caerphilly, if you please.

Wenslydale: Ah! It’s beeeen on order, sir, for two weeks. Was expecting it this morning.

Customer: ‘T’s Not my lucky day, is it? Aah, Bel Paese?

Wenslydale: Sorry, sir.

Customer: Red Windsor?

Wenslydale: Normally, sir, yes. Today the van broke down.

Customer: Ah. Stilton?

Wenslydale: Sorry.

Customer: Ementhal? Gruyere?

Wenslydale: No.

Customer: Any Norweigan Jarlsburg, per chance.

Wenslydale: No.

Customer: Lipta?

Wenslydale: No.

Customer: Lancashire?

Wenslydale: No.

Customer: White Stilton?

Wenslydale: No.

Customer: Danish Brew?

Wenslydale: No.

Customer: Double Goucester?

Wenslydale: (pause) No.

Customer: Cheshire?

Wenslydale: No.

Customer: Dorset Bluveny?

Wenslydale: No.

Customer: Brie, Roquefort, Pol le Veq, Port Salut, Savoy Aire, Saint Paulin, Carrier de lest, Bres Bleu, Bruson?

Wenslydale: No.

Customer: Camenbert, perhaps?

Wenslydale: Ah! We have Camenbert, yessir.

Customer: (surprised) You do! Excellent.

Wenslydale: Yessir. It’s..ah,…..it’s a bit runny…

Customer: Oh, I like it runny.

Wenslydale: Well,.. It’s very runny, actually, sir.

Customer: No matter. Fetch hither the fromage de la Belle France! Mmmwah!

Wenslydale: I…think it’s a bit runnier than you’ll like it, sir.

Customer: I don’t care how fucking runny it is. Hand it over with all speed.

Wenslydale: Oooooooooohhh……..! (pause)

Customer: What now?

Wenslydale: The cat’s eaten it.

Customer: (pause) Has he.

Wenslydale: She, sir.

(pause)

Customer: Gouda?

Wenslydale: No.

Customer: Edam?

Wenslydale: No.

Customer: Case Ness?

Wenslydale: No.

Customer: Smoked Austrian?

Wenslydale: No.

Customer: Japanese Sage Darby?

Wenslydale: No, sir.

Customer: You…do *have* some cheese, don’t you?

Wenslydale: (brightly) Of course, sir. It’s a [hospital]. Finest in Upstate New York.

I kinda remember this fairy tale as a kid about three pigs and a bad fox … something about two irresponsible pigs and an industrious one that was mocked by the other two … and about the fox huffing and puffing … anybody recall how it turned out?

    fscarn in reply to walls. | April 4, 2020 at 5:00 pm

    “What!” cried the Ants in surprise, “haven’t you stored anything away for the winter? What in the world were you doing all last summer?”

    “I didn’t have time to store up any food,” whined the Grasshopper; “I was so busy making music that before I knew it the summer was gone.”

    The Ants shrugged their shoulders in disgust.

    “Making music, were you?” they cried. “Very well; now dance!” And they turned their backs on the Grasshopper and went on with their work.

Again… some people are more equal )(and important)than others. Any contingencies for returning the respirators with they are needed? I didn’t think so… wouldn’t it have been nice to say NYC was only “borrowing” with a plan for support of upstate? Wait until their local government takes away life support from them. In areas of Cali, if you arrest during heart attack…anywhere… goodbye. DNR baby… DNR.

So now upstaters have to pay the price of Cuomos lack of preparation??

    UJ in reply to mailman. | April 4, 2020 at 5:33 pm

    Clearly, Andy believes the rest of the state exists only to benefit those in NYC. Too bad most of the rest of the state would prefer that anything that’s south of Albany near the Hudson just go ahead and secede.

    iconotastic in reply to mailman. | April 6, 2020 at 1:35 am

    Upstaters did not vote for Sonny so Sonny could care less if they leave or die. He will replace those deplorables with refugees anyway so the more that die means the fewer people to import.

The map. I see that Tompkins County … home of my alma mater, Cornell … home of Ithaca Dollars, if they still have those … home of the female police chief that once posed topless at Stewart Park with other topless women protesting something … really hasn’t changed much at all since I left!

I saw this reported yesterday. Can some of the N.Y. State folks provide some perspective to those of us who are not overly familiar with N.Y. State?

From my perspective in Texas, y’all seriously need to consider hiring Snake Plisken as your exit movement coordinator. Why would the folks outside NYC allow this theft of resources?

To those of us outside of NYC, for the record most of us have grown tired of the incessant demands of the city. Not just within the covid emergency but things as basic as demanding federal transportation funding for a city subway. You want a subway the pay for it, except the city is apparently not charging riders who jump over the turnstiles where riders pay.

To send out the N.Y. State National Guard to rural areas in order to secure resources for a city reads like some dystopian novel. This level of idiocy is being watched by the rest of the nation. There may be a population of 19 million in NYC but there are another 300+ million elsewhere in the U.S. each of whom is as important as any resident of NYC.

Seriously WTF is going on up there?

    Another Voice in reply to CommoChief. | April 4, 2020 at 5:23 pm

    Living in a neighboring county south of Ithaca/Cornell, I believe you have the same point of view on NYC that we all do. We continue to get the short end of the straw when it comes to allocation of tax revenue and budgets which sends less and less back to the counties. It does however send more government obligations back as unfunded mandates for property tax payers to pick up the slack on this tax and spend governor. We’re Calif. now. Democrat controlled Assembly and Senate with a Governor who they recently empowered to have even more control over local governments by fiat to take the powers of Home Rule away from Towns and Counties as he pushes his Green Agenda on Upstate for the benefit of NY City with the exception of one county; home to Cornell..Ithaca which subscribes heart and soul with Cuomo.

    Chicklet in reply to CommoChief. | April 4, 2020 at 6:07 pm

    Lord Andrew has had a few goals as Governor. He wanted to win with a landslide larger than his fathers, and so got gay marriage and the fracking ban in time for his last election, and it worked. Now, he wants to beat Republican Nelson Rockefellers record of 4 terms, so he’ll need to decimate upstate cities and towns until there are so few republicans left that his goal can be reached.

    Nearly all of his ‘aid’ to upstate counties is to further his goals. Downtown revitalizations also take over vast tracts of housing which become available for thousands and thousands of Somalian and other similar “refugees”. His use of the budget process to forward legislation has given him dictatorial powers, and with democrat majorities in both houses, no opposition at all. Upstate republicans are aging, family farms less productive and subject to rising taxes and hostile governments. I believe he won’t rest until upstate is a barren land filled with windmills and the NYC area contains 80% of the population. Although even moderate democrats hate his tactics, they enjoy the free stuff too much to do anything more than complain. It’s a sad spectacle.

    Speaking as someone who has lived in NY state all my life – hundreds of miles outside NYC – let me explain.

    Prince Andy fantasizes that he’s showing strong leadership and boosting his chances of someday becoming POTUS.

    He seems actually unaware that this really just adds to his well-earned reputation for being both thuggish and corrupt. Yes, he IS that clueless.

      CorkyAgain in reply to irv. | April 4, 2020 at 11:42 pm

      Hopefully this story will put an end to the idea that he can be the white knight many Dems are hoping will replace Biden on the ticket.

    ScottTheEngineer in reply to CommoChief. | April 5, 2020 at 8:26 am

    Wait till they start doing that with food. You may keep 10% of the food you make any more and you’re guilty of committing a capital crime. Read that in a book somewhere.

It’s Bob Lonsberry (not Landsberry).

In his column today, CUOMO ORDER IS AN ACT OF EXECUTIVE HOMICIDE, he refers to Cuomo as “Andy Amin.”

LOL. A perfect name.

His website is boblonsberry.com

His column today is blistering.

Minor point, but it’s actually Bob “Lonsberry”. And this is par for the course for the raging a-hole Cuomo. Thanks for everything, pal. And by “everything”, I mean “nothing”.

I have been digging around trying to find pictures of crowded Hospitals.
None so far. Not in the U.S.A.

    Chicklet in reply to snowshooze. | April 4, 2020 at 6:13 pm

    Plenty of hospitals in NY have billboards on the side of the road showing the waiting time in the ER. It’s 6 minutes at the hospital near my home on Long Island. A quick check of the EMS ambulance dispatch shows not a single NYC hospital “on diversion” where they can’t accept incoming ambulances. Although many are in ICU on ventilators, there are entire floors empty because all elective procedures have been stopped, recuperating patients shipped off to nursing homes, waiting for the crush.

      MajorWood in reply to Chicklet. | April 4, 2020 at 6:56 pm

      According to a local ER doc yesterday, he sent his intern home early because there was so little to do. All the normal ways that people injure themselves have been shut down. And those who do make it to the ER arrive doa because they decided to “wait out” those chest pangs because they believe that the ER is overflowing with septic covid zombies. I bet local news knows this but is being told by national news not to show it.

      25 years ago a Texas buddy of mine said there wouldn’t ever be a second WACO because the Feds would be taking fire from both sides. I think Andy is setting himself up to have Neil Young write a song about his legacy.

JusticeDelivered | April 4, 2020 at 5:12 pm

NY State needs to be split in two, same for California. Northern parts of both states need to be freed from the tyranny of the southern parts.

    Chicklet in reply to JusticeDelivered. | April 4, 2020 at 6:16 pm

    Probably not enough Republicans left to make it happen, now that illegals can get drivers licenses and Upstate cities are being filled with “refugees” the chances of getting a Republican majority in the State Legislature drops every year. Still a great idea, but my only move now is outta here…..

    No, the Congress needs to define the loophole that let the judiciary come up w/ Reynolds v Simms as invalid or never was, and have the parts of all the state constitutions that under duress gutted their upper state houses and go back to upper house by county as it was.

      gospace in reply to jhn1. | April 5, 2020 at 1:41 am

      Yep. Got to it before me.

      Milhouse in reply to jhn1. | April 5, 2020 at 2:27 am

      Congress has no authority to do that. If a state wants to have equal representation by county it can do that — so long as it redraws the counties to make them have equal population. Not otherwise. A state has no right to evade democracy by deliberately dividing itself into unequal divisions, whether it calls them counties or anything else, and then pretending they’re entitled to equal representation.

        dystopia in reply to Milhouse. | April 5, 2020 at 7:41 am

        So Congress had no authority to make West Virgina a State? Yet it is a State. It is the result of Counties breaking away from Virginia.

          Milhouse in reply to dystopia. | April 5, 2020 at 11:46 am

          Virginia was not in the union at the time. Otherwise its consent would have been required. In any case that’s completely irrelevant to the topic. The USA is a federation of sovereign states. A state is not a federation of counties. On the contrary, counties are simply arbitrary subdivisions of their states, which the states create for their own convenience, and can alter or abolish at will.

          dystopia in reply to dystopia. | April 5, 2020 at 1:44 pm

          Then why did Virginia have a House Member during the debate on admission of West Virginia? The Unions viewed the succession as nugatory. That’s why there was a Civil War.

          Representative Joseph Segar of Virginia was alone in his delegation opposing West Virginia statehood. He maintained in a House debate that “there is no evidence that the majority of people within the counties which were to compose the new state had ever given its assent to its formation.”11 He called the statehood bill a punitive measure chastening Virginia.

          Milhouse in reply to dystopia. | April 6, 2020 at 12:29 am

          Thank you for pointing that out. In fact West Virginia was admitted with the consent of the legislature of the Restored Government of Virginia, which the USA recognized as the state’s legitimate government.

          In any case, the question is irrelevant. Congress has the authority to admit new states, with the consent of any states whose borders would be changed. It does not have the authority to authorize states to overturn democracy by deliberately creating unequal districts and giving them equal representation. That is obviously and brazenly unconstitutional, and Congress cannot amend the constitution.

      iconotastic in reply to jhn1. | April 5, 2020 at 3:16 pm

      There was no loophole. Reynolds was a decision made by an out of control SCOTUS inventing a new right out of nothing. What had been acceptable for over 170 years suddenly became unconstitutional. The supposed solution would be to amend the Constitution but that won’t work. Any SCOTUS can re invent this ‘right’ based on sophistry and a few phrases.

      I wonder if the real solution might be to start impeaching justices who make such unfounded decisions.

What about the Navy Hope ship? I heard it was almost empty, they hadn’t been taking ChineseCoronaVirus patients but taking the diverted medical emergencies, but I also read it could quickly be diverted to take the virus patients?

So what’s going on?

    Chicklet in reply to gonzotx. | April 4, 2020 at 6:20 pm

    Maybe there just aren’t enough patients? So far, not a single NYC hospital is ‘on diversion’ where ambulances are advised to go somewhere else. Sure, there are lots of admissions, but after a couple of days most of ’em are discharged.

    Now if you are 70 with end stage renal disease and a heart attack, and die with a positive test, the NYC death certificate will say you died from Covid-19. It’s all part of that plan- don’t let a crisis go to waste.

    ecreegan in reply to gonzotx. | April 4, 2020 at 7:52 pm

    Combination of the hospitals weren’t prepared to offload trauma patients onto the ship and the loading is going slowly because they’re triple-checking for COVID19; the ship is very crowded so it would likely spread like wildfire if it did.

    jhn1 in reply to gonzotx. | April 4, 2020 at 8:22 pm

    Per a wiki pic of the intensive care area of the USNS Comfort, it is large area multible bed rooms (6 in pic visibility of 80 bed total) and not readily sterilized after infectious care. I suspect the Hope is the same.

    Sanddog in reply to gonzotx. | April 5, 2020 at 12:08 am

    It’s a very bad idea to put coronavirus patients on that hospital ship. The whole point was to allow others not infected to receive life saving treatment away from the coronavirus infected patients.

the chinese succeeded where the pilots who could not land failed…

    A greater villain lives within, Governors of New York, Delaware, Massachusetts, California, New Jersey, anywhere socialist democrats congregate.

    We have Stasi heathen in Massachusetts trying to close bridges and cancel Constitutional rights in the name of nothing. The pathetic governor has closed parks, beaches, gun stores and essentially made life 10x more awful than it was before China unleashed their contribution to civilization.

Wait- wasn’t it reported last week that Raggedy Andy claimed to have thousands of ventilators ‘stockpiled’ for the peak in some secluded warehouse- ostensibly so they ‘walk out a back door’??

The Friendly Grizzly | April 4, 2020 at 6:02 pm

It shows the Cuomo is indeed governor of New York. City.

I wonder how many vents went to Westchester or the private hospitals. Remember the little rich area of Westchester is when this started with their jet set friends having parties.

as someone who was CA ARNG for most of my illustrious 21 year military career, this sounds suspiciously like the sort of illegal order the Army taught us we were supposed to refuse to follow.

hell, even in war time, POWs are allowed to keep their medical supplies.

i hope local law enforcement block access to the supplies, at gun point, if necessary.

the Demonrats want another Civil War.

what they don’t understand is that they will lose this one too.

    walls in reply to redc1c4. | April 4, 2020 at 6:53 pm

    I assume ALL hospitals receive some sort of state funding for certain reimbursements. Maybe you have Catholic or Jewish hospitals that don’t … but I don’t know healthcare. My assumption is if you refuse to abide by the Fredo Sr mandate, he will withhold state funds for reimbursements. I doubt he would pull your operating certificate … but who knows?

    snopercod in reply to redc1c4. | April 4, 2020 at 7:40 pm

    Oath Keepers!

I’d like to send a link w/ this article to every NYC celeb liberal who in the last two weeks has been using the hashtag #CuomoMyPresident or #Cuomo2020. These oblivious bubble-dwelling celebs who are drooling over Andy are the same clueless celebs who endorsed Mini Mike. I remember seeing photos of actor Michael Douglas in WISCONSIN campaigning for Bloomberg. I couldn’t stop laughing.

As one of the few solid red Westchester County residents living among a deep blue sea of Democrats, we only have hope that one day New York will get back her spine. Allow fracking. Allow the pipeline. Send back the illegals. Stop being a sanctuary state. Long wish list but….. [fingers crossed]

And when the local militia gets together and blocks the National Guard from entering the hospital, to prevent them from taking the respirators, then what?

    The Friendly Grizzly in reply to JHogan. | April 4, 2020 at 7:34 pm

    A variation on the theme of Kent State?

    Subotai Bahadur in reply to JHogan. | April 4, 2020 at 8:28 pm

    I suspect that it will be a variation of Lexington Green, where the militia lost. And then as the National Guard try to withdraw, either to the helicopters or to vehicles to drive back to Democrat territory, a reprise of Merriam’s Corner to Boston.

    When the Left gets its wish to open fire on the rest of the country, they are going to be awfully surprised at the response. They have made the country lose any faith in the powers of the State being limited by law. We are on the edge of having the country decide that they do not have to be so limited either.

    Just in passing, after Lexington and Concord, Boston was besieged by the Patriots.

    How dependent is New York City on the area outside it for food, water, power, etc.?

    Subotai Bahadur

      gospace in reply to Subotai Bahadur. | April 5, 2020 at 1:46 am

      Most National Guard members are upstaters to begin with. NY also has a State and Naval militia, separate from the Guard. Also mostly upstaters.

      Giving orders that won’t be obeyed is a really stupid thing to do.

    nebel in reply to JHogan. | April 5, 2020 at 1:04 am

    I imagine there are many guard officers who will refuse to obey this order on the grounds that the order is unlawful. There will probably be other officers who do not earnestly follow the order – they will go to the hospital and all of the “spare” ventilators will be broken or missing.

Michael Gilson | April 4, 2020 at 6:43 pm

Gotta seize the means of production from those Kulaks. It’s the only way to stop wreckers and hoarders.

Oregon is sending ventilators to NYC. I see a Republican governor in our future. Desperate has crossed over to delusional.

Globalism, immigration reform, social contagion, and shared responsibility have forced their hand.

Easy to fix. For all the upstate hospitals with ventilators not in use, find a patient and put them on the ventilator. And film Cuomo’s SS troops if they try to take them off a patient.

    They don’t have to be placed *on* a patient, merely in the room ready for immediate use if needed. Pick patients who don’t have communicable diseases so it can be shifted to another patient if needed, and you’re fine.

    “Yes, you may remove that ventilator from patient X’s room, but only if you spend 14 days in isolation, because you’re from New York, and we cannot expose the patient to a suspected carrier of the Wuhan flu. Hope you brought a tent.”

Conservative Beaner | April 4, 2020 at 8:24 pm

Never did like NYC.

LibraryGryffon | April 4, 2020 at 8:29 pm

So, were Andy president, he’d be sending the Army in to take all the spare vents from red states to give to NYC, Seattle, Boston, CA, and all the other heavily D-voting, high-population-density areas?

    DSHornet in reply to LibraryGryffon. | April 6, 2020 at 10:28 am

    According to my oath of enlistment, he’d have a hard time of that. It specifically referred to the Constitution along with obedience of orders from superiors. Guess which takes precedent over the other.
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The people who are moving out of New York are the people Andrew Cuomo doesn’t want, and their departures year after year are merely the falling dominoes of his tightening grip around the neck of a people he hates.
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So leave, and load up every ventilator into a Uhaul and take it with you. FU cuomo, you should be doing mouth to mouth on the china flu victims.
cuomo is trying hard to pretend he cares when he really was mostly interested in his graft with solar power. Instead of replenishing his medical supplies now he’s whining the feds should take control and do all the work so he can claim they don’t know what they’re doing.
As soon as the china sicken chicken drops off he’s going to bask as the fake news swoons over his leadership in the crisis while we all puke over their coverage.

It could be an easy fix, if Trump would do it. Just nationalize the NY Guard and tell Cuomo he has more important things for them to do. Then give them some make-work mission. Whatever mission he has the Pentagon assign them it has to be more important than stealing hospital equipment.

Then they are no longer the governor’s control.

But I doubt he’d do it because he is from NYC after all.

Typical Demoncrat! Wasted 100s of million of dollars on illegal aliens. Failed to replenish emergency medical supplies. Now Demoncrats are stealing (redistributing) medical supplies to those they deem worthy. Those they don’t will die!

Why is it that when it’s Global Warming or some other liberal cause that a graph is shown with a hockey stick trend? How do we know all of these deaths are actually caused by the Chinese Bat Virus?

Another example of the benefits of the electoral college, and the corrupt behavior it keeps at bay.

Ah yes, “racism”.

Anybody who deploys that smokescreen nowadays has just admitted that he doesn’t have a coherent argument to offer, and—even more importantly—knows it perfectly well.

Clown 1396 XL | April 4, 2020 at 11:16 pm

Two things. 1. Why prepare for the future if it is just going to be taken away from you? 2. I don’t know the politics, but with the size of the conservative part of NY, don’t they have the votes to veto Cuomo’s plans?

In Texas they say something about ” come and get it”. An earlier commenter suggested they would take fire from 2 directions. Communities need be organized to do that. Further, leaders need to know how to secure their equipment.

Any bets on NYC collecting equipment, and then exiles from NYC overwhelm upstate facilities? And then they would claim need for more government control.

The state will sacrifice itself in service to Gotham.

Sounds like a perfect case for local police and militia to unite to confront the National Guard. It starts with the citizens convincing the local politicians and police that they will be right there with them. It’s “Is they is or is they isn’t?” time. What will happen when the Guardsmen are face down by their families, friends and neighbors? We need to know.

Hong Kong citizens had the balls to do it. Do we? The optics in HK carried the day and forced the CCP to back down. For now. Bad optics for Flu Emperor Xi.

Andrew Cuomo is a degenerate egomaniac. Some of us have been saying it for years. His most recent tactic to take over upstate is by buying the region by doling out millions of dollars in community development “grants” administered by local committees, each of which must have at least one representative (watchdog) from the State on it.

This use of the military to seize medical supplies from civilian organizations should be resisted, physically if necessary. The effect will be minimal, to the extent of being statistically immeasurable, anyway. When he said two weeks ago that if anything he did saved just one life, it would be worth it, my response, here, was the question, how many lives would be lost saving it? Well, here we are. The man is an egomaniacal monster.

Here’s something I missed yesterday:

https://www.breitbart.com/health/2020/04/04/china-donates-1000-ventilators-to-new-york/

So if Flu Emperor Andrew is receiving 1,000 ventilators from Flu Emperor Xi, why does he need the upstate NY ventilators? Is anyone going to ask?

Even more reason for Upstate NYers to confront the National Guard with “Who are you protecting? Us? Your families, friends and neighbors? Or Flu Emperor Andrew?”

Cuomo will do nothing so dramatic as this. If he’s going to be drafted as the D’rat presidential candidate, he has to put on a show of being a “take charge” kind of guy. That’s the only hope he has of getting out from under DJT’s bigger-than-life shadow. But he can confine it all to talk; it’s much safer to avoid actually taking charge of anything but his image. And when later pressed about the healthcare situation in NYC, he’ll be able to blame either DJT or those detestable upstate yokels for the failure of a plan he never intended to happen anyway.

By the way the field hospital the feds set up at the Javits Center is not for acute Wuhan Disease patients, it’s for patients who are recovering from Wuhan Disease. Once they’re no longer infectious the hospitals will be able to send them there, in order to free up beds for other patients. The isolated Wuhan Disease ward that is being prepared there is for patients who get reinfected while there, so they won’t have to be shipped back to the hospital they came from. For this reason, it doesn’t have many patients at the moment.

If in hospital admin, I’d be inclined to remove a key component from each unused ventilator and store it in a secure location. Until reassembled and activated, it could be said of each ventilator not currently in use that it’s inoperable.

Not unlike the old days of disabling a car by removing the rotor from beneath the distributor cap.

    Subotai Bahadur in reply to MrE. | April 5, 2020 at 5:09 pm

    1) Use the secure location concept twice. Remove the key part and place it in one secure location. 2) Put the main body of the ventilator in a different secure location, preferably one leaving a bad public image if military troops broke in to seize them. For church affiliated hospitals, a church comes to mind. Watch FOX News broadcast Cuomo’s Sturmabeilungen kicking a bunch of nuns in full penguin suits out of the way.

    Subotai Bahadur

BierceAmbrose | April 5, 2020 at 7:22 pm

“All you ventilators are belong to us.”

If it comes down to this, how many ventilators and packages of PPE will suddenly get loaded into the cars of hospital employees getting off work after their shift ends? The employees would have to store them somewhere besides their own homes in case the Gestapo comes knocking. Good luck finding every single one.

Who would store all their eggs in the same basket? Call it “distribution of resources.”
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Cuomo has refused ventilators and PPE from Remington Arms

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