Gov’t Gone Wild: Controversy Swirls over Michigan Governor Order on Non-Essential Purchases
Add Michigan, Kentucky and Virginia to the growing list of irrational control tactics.
Recently I documented numerous examples of government overreach during the Wuhan coronavirus pandemic. Did you think that would end? Nope.
Here are some more examples from Michigan, Kentucky, and Virginia.
Michigan Gov. Whitmer Limits In-Store Purchases, Residence-to-Residence Travel
Not to be outdone, the Governor of Michigan has oredered restrictions like banning sale of non-essential goods in large stores. See Politifact.
[Correction: This text and title have been updated to reflect that Whitmer’s Order applies only to large stores, and does not itself ban sale of seeds, though many retailers have roped off garden centers and other sections in reaction.]
I know delivery is slow but order this stuff online. The government cannot stop you from doing this stuff.
Whitmer ticked off residents even more by telling them she restricted residence-to-residence travel except for dire circumstances:
Beginning Saturday morning, previously permitted travel between two Michigan residences will end, including jumping in the car to visit a friend, or even walking across the street to watch TV with a neighbor. Exceptions include purposes such as caring for a relative, an elderly friend or a pet, visiting a nursing home or similar facility, attending a funeral with no more than 10 people, or complying with a court order related to child custody.
“I don’t think that’s right,” said Hal Hughes, 88, a retired manufactured home salesman in Plymouth. “You should be able to visit who you want to visit.”
Guess what. If you own a cottage in Michigan but live in a different state, you can still visit your cottage:
Though the new order prohibits trips from a Michigan residence to a Michigan cottage, travel between states is still permitted, and by the words of the order, only “individuals currently living within the State of Michigan,” but not residents living in other states, are subject to the order. That would suggest that residents of other states who own cottages Up North can continue to visit, unless banned by a “stay home” order in their own state.
Kentucky Police Can Stalk Your Vehicle at Church on Easter
Right now it’s important to note that the Constitution only applies to the federal government.
That does not mean we cannot complain or point out the restrictions on religious freedom done by a state. Our natural rights do not go out the window in the event of a viral pandemic!
Kentucky Gov. Andy Beshear announced that Kentucky State Police will write down your license plate number if they spot your car at any mass gathering this weekend.
Then the police will send your license plate number to the health department. The department will then force you into quarantine.
By now you know the risks of the coronavirus. If you choose to go to a mass gathering then so be it.
Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY), who recently recovered from coronavirus, still knows the importance of freedom. Sunday is Easter, the holiest day on the Christian calendar.
Taking license plates at church? Quarantining someone for being Christian on Easter Sunday? Someone needs to take a step back here.
Kentucky Governor Announces Plan to Record License Plates of Easter Church Goers and Force Them to Quarantine for 14 Days https://t.co/z7U42liQRh
— Senator Rand Paul (@RandPaul) April 11, 2020
Virginia Police Serves a Summon to Pastor After Holding Service With 16 People
Gov. Ralph Northam’s COVID Order 55 says those who violate the mass gathering ban face a year in prison and/or a $2,500 fine.
Pastor Kevin Wilson of the Lighthouse Fellowship Church in Chincoteague, VA, held a service with 16 people. The building holds 293 people. The 16 people sat far apart from each other and as far as I know had no contact with each other.
Before the service the police treated Wilson like a criminal:
Last Sunday before the service, a local police officer entered the church. He gave no introduction and did not ask for the pastor. He abruptly said they could not have more than 10 people spaced six feet apart. Then after the service, two police officers entered the church in full mask and gloves and asked to speak with the pastor. They issued him a summons and informed him that if he had service on Easter, all attending would receive the same summons, according to the Liberty Counsel.
The coronavirus pandemic has led to isolation and cut off those in need from getting help or supplies.
The Lighthouse Fellowship Church does a lot for the community. It sounds like they are needed even more now:
Lighthouse Fellowship is known in the local community for helping keep people free of drug addiction, brokenness, mental illness, poverty, prostitution, and has a 12-step recovery program. Many of the members do not have driver’s licenses and are dependent on the church family for rides to get food, supplies, and medical appointments and personal care services like haircuts.
Many church attendees are on limited income obtained from government assistance, whether disability or Social Security, Medicare or Medicaid. The church has helped various members with electric or gas bills, rent, groceries, physical labor and transportation for moving, donating time, expertise and resources for repairing and renovating houses and travel trailers, cooking meals, helping people to apply for disability benefits, providing rides to medical appointments, clothes, and wood for stoves, fuel for cars, and cutting grass. The church also offers a blanket ministry, prayer ministry, discipleship programs, and counseling services.
Founder and Chairman of Liberty Counsel Mat Staver said, “Lighthouse Fellowship Church protected the health and safety of the 16 people by requiring them to be spread far apart in the 293-seat sanctuary. These people do not have internet or cars, and they depend on the ministry of the church for their physical and spiritual needs. But because the church had six more people than the 10 allowed by Gov. Ralph Northam, the pastor is being criminally charged.”
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Not just seeds.
You can’t buy baby car seats and American flags.
Take pictures of the mass gatherings at local city and county employee parking lots.
Take care, the city may label you a terrorist.
Half Whit AKA the Soros Toilet
I live in Michigan, and my youngest child, now an adult is disabled. We live in a farm, which I had planned to sell this year. When this CCP virus hit I decided to plant a garden since I am stuck here for another year.
While I have many seeds on hand, I need more. It makes sense to have our own fresh vegetables during the summer and to can for next winter. Since she is unlikely to ever work or marry, self sufficiency skills are very important.
It is ridiculous that I have to jump through hoops to get seeds, or plants and any other supplies.
Order them online.
Order them online so that Bezos gets richer while our local small business people lose their livelihoods. Great idea.
When I search for something to purchase online, I look for the original manufacturer’s website. Like watches, instead of Amazon, I went to http://www.InvictaWatches.com. I love it!
For seeds and such, many independent producers exist. I’ve gotten some unusual seeds at such places. Don’t know if they sell regular seeds.
I would think Burpee has seeds on their site. Did someone say they are sold out?
http://www.GeorgiaVines.com sells some, I bought a weed seed from them. For butterflies.
Excuse me; http://www.InvictaStores.com.
I order seeds from seed companies directly, not from Amazon.
I save seeds from all of our open-pollinated plants here on the farm. I do have some left over after starting our vegetables and would be happy to share them with you if you can tell me where to send them.
Come on down to Ohio’s Amish country to get your seeds and independent living stuff. It’s business as usual down here.
FEMA: Michigan has not requested major disaster declaration for coronavirus
This is a couple weeks old, but it explains what “that woman in Michigan” and Biden campaign co-chair has been NOT doing.
The smugness and arrogance on her face is VERY scary.
She’s a product of years of leftist/feminist indoctrination. You go girl!
She has bar shit crazy eyes.
Democrats love Dictators.
In this case a idiot dictator.
She is funded by Soros.
Funny I remember hearing about hearing about how unconstrained Trump would be a major problem, but he seems most constrained to exercise a heavy hand.
OTOH a lot of local people seem to not resist channelingg their inner Schikelgruber.
Sorry Neo, fat finger.
I guess the only thing you can do is comply, and complain latter?
Gov. Kemp in GA hasn’t gone nuts. Things are relatively good, except for the tornadoes that may roll through tonight.
Let’s just say it… Michigan Governor Whitmer is a Nazi
You’re being too kind Neo.
Police entering a church to disperse the congregants. Soviet and CCP tactics. What’s next… closing churches on the birthday of the governor?
Not in Michigan.
And in states that do not make exemptions for similarly situated secular gatherings, there is no doubt that they have every right to apply the same restrictions to churches that they do to everything else. The problem is only in those few places where they try to treat churches worse than other places with the same issues.
“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.”
I’m sorry you are unable to read. Let us note, there is no exemption for whatever you think is worthy. No law. None. You may not prohibit the free exercise…
The free exercise clause prohibits laws targeting religious exercise. No state has made one. They are simply applying the same law to churches as to every other place of public assembly. The free exercise clause does not require them to make any exceptions for religion. They may choose to do so, but they are not required to. Even the strictest interpretation of the clause merely requires them to give religion the same exceptions that they give to comparable secular uses.
How do you not know this?
Typical. You read the constitution like a prog.
The 1st prohibits any law restricting the free exercise of religion. It isn’t exempted because the same law applies to other things. Other things are not in the 1st amendment.
How can you not know this?
I read the constitution as it is written, you piece of sh*t, and as every court in the country reads it. A law that applies equally to everyone, and was not made for the purpose of targeting a religious practice, is not a law prohibiting the free exercise of religion.
The laws against bigamy apply to Mormons just like anyone else. Prohibition would have applied to churches and synagogues had Congress not voluntarily chosen to make an exception for them.
The same would be true if some state without a RFRA were to ban circumcision; it could make an exception for Jews and Moslems (and if it made it for one it would have to make it for the other too), but if it chose to make no exceptions the law would be constitutional, and Jews and Moslems would have to take their children to another state to circumcise them, or else do it in secret and risk being caught.
You know this very well, of course, you just choose to lie about it.
Full of it again milly.
People are congregating in supermarkets. Governor er tsar of Ky was telling people they couldn’t park and listen to a sermon in the parking lot of a church.
The governor said no such thing. The mayor of Louisville originally did say that, but then backed down and said he wasn’t going to enforce it; in any case he was slapped down by the court.
But religious services that don’t have people inside their cars the entire time are still banned, just as all similar gatherings are. That ban, as far as I know, has not been challenged, and would probably be upheld even in the face of Kentucky’s RFRA, because it seems to meet strict scrutiny. See Josh Blackman’s and Eugene Volokh’s comments on this.
PS: “They may choose to” — as Michigan has done. So the whole premise of this discussion is false.
I found this to a very good review of the Louisville, KY matter:
The Nuremberg Trials established a legal precident where ‘I was just following orders’ is insufficient to clear yourself from wrong doing. The federales need to start arresting these cops who are enforcing dictatorial policies by these tyrant governors, especially in that Kentucky situation.
Arrest a few cops and suddenly they’ll magically start appreciating people’s civil rights again, it’ll only take a few well publicized arrests.
The police are not allowed to act in a criminal way in the exercise of their duties. In fact, they have an obligation not to do so. They are indeed within the rights to refuse to act upon illegal or unconstitutional orders, and can be charged in they obey such orders. If the state is behind this, the federal government should investigate to protect the rights of the individuals from the tyrannical arm of a state’s government. Go to work Mr. President, the people will be behind you.
Blind obedience to tyranny makes you part of the problem.
Actually the Nuremberg trials were explicitly intended not to set a legal precedent. Looked at from a purely legal point of view they were thoroughly illegitimate, pure victor’s justice. Having Stalin’s judges on the panel alone should be enough to illegitimize them. They were intended as a one-time event, called for by the unique situation, and a far better alternative than Stalin’s wish to just execute the entire German army.
“The Nuremberg Trials established a legal precident where ‘I was just following orders’ is insufficient to clear yourself from wrong doing.”
rdmdawg was right: there is a precedent!
No, they did not set any precedent, for anything. They were not within the framework of the legal system.
They issued quarantine notices to all the media and reporters coving the churches at a few. I mean, if you’re going to violate the First Amendment, might as well cover all the parts. At one, there were more reporters than parishioners.
Side question: I haven’t seen a single predominantly black church get shut down under these orders. And they have been conspicuously protesting these orders too. Are they culpable in the higher rate of infection and death in these communities for not reporting on it?
The police are playing a different German for that- SGT Schulz.
Sort of like when I stop at a local convenience store to pick up milk or eggs on the way home at 0030. There’s usually a few POCs, drunk or high, or both, bebopping around in the store ignoring the 6 foot rule. Because of the time, I often pull in as a police car is pulling out. The clerk says it’s common- I’ve asked when I’ve been the only customer in there. Which rarely happens and usually lasts less than a minute.
White churches are being harassed, because the police know that the congregants won’t riot. We don’t have our own Al Sharpton.
I am thankful that we do not have a scheming huckster like Sharpton.
What happened to Oral Roberts?
Being serious for just a second, and I have been known to be, it’s time to start fighting back. I’m not religious. I’m not a Christian. But if I may make so bold as to say it, it’s time for the cheek turning to stop.
Quoting a Navy chief that was referring to me one day while teaching aone of his classes, it’s time to go all Viking on the “authorities”. Turn churches (and synagogues) into no-go zones. If the muslims can get away with it, why not us?
We’re too nice for our own good.
Did mean Supreme but blackmailed Roberts?
Oral died several years back.
Whatever happened to Oral Roberts brother…Anal Roberts?Sorry,but we need some humor right about now—even if it’s sick humor.
No doubt that is a factor in CCR Virus killing blacks at a higher rate, they are ignoring calls social distancing.
Let Darwin be Darwin!
They call her Half-Whit and the name is well earned. This is nothing but regulation for the sake of regulation. The SCOTUS gave an open ticket to this years ago and it is strangling the nation. Judge Gorsuch has addressed this a couple of times…unfortunately Roberts has historically allowed the practice.
Lightly scratch a democrat and expose a commie dictator.
Planned Parenthood (e.g. selective-child, recycled-child) are an essential service. In Stork They Tryst
All the mail order seed suppliers I usually use are out of stock. Territorial Seed (Oregon?) sent notice the other day orders are suspended. Finally found what I needed at the local Co-Op – but no potatoes or garlic this year.
Maybe I’ll go stand on a corner with a sign “will trade TP for garden seeds” 😉
MrE grocery store potatoes should work.
Also check your local farm and ranch feed stores as a poster mentioned upthread.
You can also re-grow many vegetables from kitchen craps.
How to regrow 14 vegetables
Four surefire vegetables to regrow
Thanks for the advice and links. The variety I’ve been growing the last several years, Makah Ozette fingerling are hard to come by. I sifted the bed last year but we may still get some volunteers. Admittedly, at retirement age, I’m not as eager as I once was to dig for the harvest. Old back and sore knees is also reason for migrating from bush to pole beans 😉
Oh and for garlic again the store variety should work. A large patch of garlic kept expanding at my parents house where kitchen scraps had been dumped over the fence for the cattle.
Maybe check the garlic and potatoes have not been irradiated or get organic.
Oh yes check Home Depo and smaller local hardware stores of large size in shopping strips.
One of my local Lowes hardware stores had tons of seeds on Friday.
Irrational? Dumb? Were the Soviet leaders who ruled like these Dems irrational?
This is a rational worldview, albeit an evil one. You are simply witnessing Democrats with a green light to be the dictators they dream of being.
Democrats are demonstrating how they would rule the country. These local cops who are either clueless or just no longer care about the Constitution are contemptible.
We are the frogs in the pot of warming water.
Now that we know more about who this virus strikes and who is most vulnerable to become a fatality, these restrictions cannot be justified, except in very hot spots such as New York City, New Jersey, Detroit and in nursing homes.
As one commenter wrote, Gov. Brian Kemp of Georgia has been pretty reasonable, but not reasonable enough. Nor has the Chief Justice of the Georgia Supreme Court.
If the judges are worried, they should either take time off or have everyone wear masks.
Get yourself a mask or make one, and carry on.
Now we’re just shooting ourselves in the feet because it gives the lefties the jollies. Not a good enough reason.
By the way, this is especially cruel to victims of criminals.
People who are abused as kids or molested, one method they have of coping when they’re adults, is by staying Busy. Busy, busy, busy, so they don’t have time to think about the abuse. Take away their ability to have a jam-packed schedule, and you are sending them into depression.
Camile Paglia mentioned this once, and insinuated that Hillary might have been abused, because she makes it such a point to stay busy.
Anyway, so if you can no longer go out, or to the gym, or to work, what the Hell are you going to fill your time with? New things, that’s what, like gardening, woodworking, painting, reading, whatever you can dream up.
The governors that prohibit that are being especially cruel to the most desperate people among us. It’s heartless, heedless and vicious.
For men out there suffering, http://www.MaleSurvivor.org has chat rooms, etc., to help. They did a webinar on the situation last week. Or week before? My days are running together…
Thanks for your sensitivity, Katy.
“Right now it’s important to note that the Constitution only applies to the federal government.”
Seeds are food for the ambitious. This is time of the year when you start your seeds so the plants can be set out in 6-8 weeks from now. It is cost effective to have a low cost:high profit product rather than buy sets at the nursery. It goes a long way on the grocery bill during the season and for those who still embrace gardening, canning and freezing the harvest to be used for months. Though many people don’t do as much as their parents, but they are the same people who support their Farmers Markets who also right now are starting those seed pots. His reasoning is just down right ignorant.
Plus people need to remember the vegetables that are rather easy to grow but produce abundantly – tomatoes, zucchini, herbs, etc.
Gov. DimWit apparently does not subscribe to self sufficiency.
Who is this Michigan governor? Brunhilde of the SS? Looks like the dark night of fascism is descending upon Michigan delivered by a demented Democrat. But then I repeat myself when I say demented and Democrat. And I failed to say “dictatorial” .
I think the answer is far more simple: she’s in over her head, and rather than asking for help, she is flailing about ruling like a dictator.
I doubt that she is in “over her head”. See, what the left needs, in these situations, is a stalking horse. Some loyal member of their “tribe” takes point and runs way ahead of the rest of the pack. They do extremely oppressive things to take extremely unpopular positions. This concentrates attention on them and allows those behind them to gain significant ground, in advancing their agenda, and they look moderate in comparison. Such people are usually well compensated.
I thought the point of “no shopping for non-essential items” was to prevent people from going out solely for non-essentials. If you’re going out for “essentials,” while you’re out there’s no reason you shouldn’t be allowed to purchase “non-essentials” as well. To prevent such purchases is stupendously inane.
And no distinction is made between garden (food) seed and yard (grass & flower) seed? The stupid never ends.
These rulings make every bit as much sense and have every bit of the logic of the blue laws.
So much of it is just ridiculous. Our Home Depot is half self check – what’s to stop someone from going under / reaching over the tape and taking what they want? And checking out – HD is none the wiser – unless they categorically suspended those scan-code look-ups in their POS system.
No. Blue laws, for the most part, make sense. Closing off retail stores on Sundays allow for families to get together weekly without everyone having to check their schedule to see if they’re working or off….
That they were originally intended to help enforce church attendance is besides the point, though when they were enacted and did that, they made even more sense.
At one time, shopping after 6 PM on weekdays was difficult. In my lifetime. And stores that were open on Saturday that didn’t close at noon closed no later 6 PM.
Seems it was much easier back then to keep community organizations and bowling leagues and other activities going, Because people had TIME for them, because there were few 24/7 jobs.
There’s only one 24/7 store in the town I graduated HS. Immediately after it opened the town council passes a law limiting store hours. Couldn’t apply to them under that ex post facto thingie.
That “ex post facto thingie” only applies to criminal law, not civil law and NOT regulation. See the entry for Aug. 27, 1787, in Madison’s Notes of the Debates in the Federal Convention. It is memorialized in the Constitution, and was/still is, considered a legal maxim that criminal law cannot be made to apply to acts taken before a law was passed.
There is no prohibition on the making and enforcement of new town ordinances regarding the hours businesses may keep.
You need to communicate that to the NJ courts, not me.
It is. But if non-essential items can be sold how do you stop people from going out just for them?
The proper answer is that you don’t try to stop them.
Huh? That makes no sense. As DaveGinOly wrote, the point of this whole exercise is to stop people going out when they don’t need to. If someone is genuinely going out for essentials there doesn’t seem to be any reason he shouldn’t buy inessentials at the same time. But how could you enforce that? If you allow them to be sold then people will go out to get them, when they have no need to be out at all.
Quite right. But it’s a stupid rule because the means to enforce it (taping off areas of a store) prevents people who are out for essentials from buying other things in order to prevent other people from going out only for non-essentials. Why should the former be prevented from acquiring an article because of how others may behave? Sounds like the reasoning behind gun control.
Interesting thing about Whitmer.When she became a replacement county prosecutor, she stated that her priorities for her term would be investigating the prior prosecutor. (GOP idiots, Sessions and Barr: you hear that?)
“On June 21, 2016, Whitmer was administered the oath of office as prosecutor by Ingham County Circuit Court Chief Judge Janelle Lawless. She said her top priorities during her six months of service would be to determine if any other officials in the prosecutor’s office knew about Dunnings’s alleged crimes and to change how the office handled domestic violence and sexual assault cases.”
Everybody likely notices this, but I will state it anyway. The police seem only to eager to be all being these orders. Back in the 60s police were being called pigs by the yippies in Chicago. I have started referring to them as dogs. The reason being, is the dogs are loyal to those who feed them. In this case what is a choice between a paycheck and a pension, or upholding the Constitution and having common sense, the paycheck and pension win.
I grew up in Michigan and this tyrannical twit is worse than even Soapy Williams or George Romney. The voters need to wake up, ignore BSNBC, cancel the Freep, and toss these fascists out of office. Good Lord, what a frigging embarrassment.
She makes me think of that Harry Potter character who came in with the thousands of rules that were posted on the walls. I don’t recall the name, or the Ministry she was from.
What is it about “liberals” that bring out the inner fascist when they have power? They love when they can dictate rules, when they can take control of the population. They fear freedom, and work to limit it whenever they can. I just don’t understand them at all.
They want government to control everything and they want to control government.
They’re control freaks that deep inside are scared the unwashed masses will do something stupid and mess up their plans to create Paradise On Earth™. So they do their level best to get in positions of power so they can control things as they see fit, and since they can, maintain a cushy a lifestyle at public expense as possible.
Only problem is they’re actually more stupid than everyone else and usually wind up causing more problems than if they’d left things alone.
Thus we get “The road to Hell is paved with ‘good intentions’.“
Obummer had a plan in the works to make it illegal to have a food plot (garden) also. Included in that plan was forcing rural residents out of their homes and placing them all into controlled urban environments. That plan was “leaked out” somehow and it was quickly cancelled, or at least shelved because of the flak they were getting about it.
No, he didn’t. Aren’t there enough bad things to say about him without making things up?
This woman should be held for observation for at least 72 hours. Or, maybe Ted Nugent will rise to the occasion and speak on behalf of the citizens of his home state.
Ramadan is coming up. What are the chances the mosques will be targeted by Whitmer’s thugs?
Muslims push back. Muslims raise hell. Muslims, in short, stand up and fight. I may despise them, but I have grudging respect for their not taking nonsense, real or perceived.
As I said above: don’t be nice. Don’t turn cheeks. And, if and when this is over keep in mind that the police will not suddenly be your friend again.
No Democrat will take any action against Muslim violations of the orders. In fact I heard that in Michigan the regular Friday Muslim services were held, but Christian Good Friday services were banned. If anyone can confirm or deny, it would be helpful. Most Republicans will not either. In the case of the Democrats it is agreement with, and loyalty to their Muslim allies. In the case of Republicans it is fear and political correctness.
On April 23 Ramadan starts. That involves mandatory mass services and group meal after sundown and just before sunrise. It lasts a lunar month. It will proceed with no interference because we have become kafir slaves.
This is not true.
They are treated exactly the same as churches and synagogues. Which, at least as of a week ago, were explicitly exempted from enforcement.
I find it curious that the governor would have unrestricted authority to decide what products can be sold. Usually, a ban on selling certain product is restricted to those items which may exacerbate a crisis situation; such as alcohol or firearms during a riot or period of civil unrest. Seeds would seem to be a harmless commodity during a disease crisis, if not a beneficial product.
Examples of control. Everything, all the time. The Leftists know how to live your life better than you.
No Burpee’s for you, says the Wicked Witch of the North.
Feminists are monsterous fascists, espcially this one.
Hey – is this a picture of bruce jenner in drag?
She’s got that same dead-eyed “Don’t-interrupt-me-while-I’m-feeding” look that Bill DeBlasio has. The mask is certainly slipping on a few of these mayors / governors. November ain’t that far away, hopefully the voter’s memories will still be able to string cause and effect together.
What’s with that ENORMOUS forehead, anyway?
It sure ain’t used to store brains.
Bone needs to be thicker to contain vacuum.
This is brilliant: Alexa tells the truth about Coronavirus:
Florida has a site to find Farmers that need to sell produce because their buyers aren’t open anymore.
Not seeds, but you know, farm produce.
It’s control-freak but not irrational. If you restrict sales to only food, the number of shoppers drops.
«Right now it’s important to note that the Constitution only applies to the federal government.»
Not true. See the Fourteenth Amendment, and the doctrines of incorporation thereunder of the rights established by the Constitution.
Yeah, that incorporation doctrine is a drag…
We ought to rethink whether that’s a good idea.
It made the federal government courts much stronger and more overbearing.
“We ought to rethink whether that’s a good idea.”
So, you desire:
State sponsored and enforced religion?
Restrictions on your speech?
Allow search and seizure without warrant?
Thanks, No. Hell no.
I hear you….
But I disagree with your analysis.
States should have the ability to be constructed as their citizens choose. Maybe the artificial “separation” of the church and state hasn’t been entirely salutary. The decline of the family may be attributed in part to this.
I don’t know how you can disagree with my analysis since prior to incorporation the states did exactly as they wished including having state sponsored religions.
We do not have a democracy, where 51% could vote to enslave the other 49%. Perhaps you wish to live in a state where the constitutional provisions do not apply. I do not. Nor do I wish for the citizens of say, New York, be subjected to the whims of the 51%.
Perhaps your state will pass laws including one prohibiting you from leaving.
Barry, I’m not going to write a book here.
As far as interstate travel, that isn’t an incorporation doctrine, it’s part of federalism.
Making the states all identical via incorporation has made this country a much worse place to live.
If you want certain rights in your state constitution you should work for that. Many states already have many of these in their constitutions.
There’s another benefit if folks would think about it, would be HIGHLY beneficial, accomplish a security goal, and need no constitutional amendment. But you know, some folks would oppose it in a kinetic way….
I know: republics are hard.
Let’s face facts, she looks like a psycho.
Maybe it’s just the photograph but she has vacant eyes. I see those any my spidey senses start tingling.
Some of my best memories are of my wife and I planting and working in the garden with our four young daughters. With all these children stuck in their homes isolated from their friends, what better way to form a lifelong bond than planting a little garden.
Sounds perfect, right? Not according to Whitmer.
She’s “bi” as I understand it.
No kids for her.
What does she care about functional families?
She is married and raising five children (two of hers plus three of her husband’s). If she’s bisexual she’s never discussed it in public, so how would you know about it?
Milhouse, if so, I confused her with someone else.
Don’t you ever get tired of your own tone of voice?
You’re haughty and Debbie Downer to boot. You love law-itis. I wonder sometimes if you sleep with her.
Until you start paying me to post here, give it a rest.
Excuse me? You cast aspersions on someone’s character without bothering to do the slightest checking, and you expect it to go uncorrected?! Would you tolerate it if someone made a similar accusation against Trump? Or against you?
Okay, where’s my check?
You wanna order me around, pay me.
End of story.
Oh, and Mr. M, I tolerate all manner of things. Do you think I should go shooting people who say bad things? Oh, Mr. M, not good, not good….
It’s a lovely day. Why don’t you take a long walk on a short pier?
Children seeing parents planting, tending, harvesting, especially when it is the child harvesting to their mouths, is a great learning experience.
Our governor, Phil Scott, did much the same, ordering big box stores to restrict sales of anything deemed non-essential, which apparently includes seeds. Like many Vermonters, we shop a lot in New Hampshire (no sales tax!) – for us it’s actually closer than driving to the same chain in Vermont – and as of last week the seed racks a the NH WalMart and Home Depot were well stocked and packets were available for purchase.
“Our governor, Phil Scott, did much the same, ordering big box stores to restrict sales of anything deemed non-essential…”
Anybody notice how these orders all work through *businesses*, recruited to be part of the enforcement arm as a cost of doing business … just like the war on drugs, terror, and now The Kung Flu.
How much easier to go after folks you’ve forced to register, with a fixed address. (Any implication for gun registration is tinfoil hat stuff, I’m told.)
Good point; plus they have to hurt their own income to do it.
“Essential” says who?
I, myself, find competing political groups, contrasting policies, and non-govt facts “essential.” I also suspect that Gov Banning, there finds such things less than essential.
RESIST! By any means necessary!
The Left is well mobilized to attack anyone who questions one of the Crack Pot Dictator Governors. I have been on several sites questioning Illinois Governor Pritzker – Fred Flinstone. My comments are attacked in waves. The Left is trolling all websites and jumping on anyone who dares attack them.
That’s definitely a guy in drag. What’ya call’em. Perverts?
Limiting purchases at a store? Contagion is when you share infectious material (breath, contact, sex, handshake, etc.). If you are buying essentials at a store, you could catch something from someone, true, so what f–k does it matter WHAT you’re buying, nothing to do with preventing the spread of contagion. Its just more ridiculous rules that have no impact on containment. I say rules, because that’s all they are, oops I broke a rule, I feel terrible about myself, not.