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Trump: CDC coronavirus guidelines extended to April 30, hoping for return to normal by June 1

Trump: CDC coronavirus guidelines extended to April 30, hoping for return to normal by June 1

Adds almost 30 days to the current 15 days, which was about to end.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQPWDl9yPiA

Donald Trump just announced that the CDC guidelines on social distancing and other measures to fight the Wuhan coronavirus are extended to April 30. They were to end in two days.

Trump also signaled June 1 as the date by which he hoped recovery would begin.

“The peak in death rate is likely to hit in two weeks… nothing would be worse than declaring victory before the victory is won…therefore, we will be extending our guidelines to April 30 to slow the spread…. We can expect by June 1, we will be way on our way to recovery.”

The extension of the CDC guidelines, in itself, doesn’t stop the economy. It all depends on what Governors do and the restrictions placed on commerce.

Flashback to my March 19 post, Ghost Towns USA:

You can’t just stop an economy, and expect it not to tear at the seams that hold society together.

I don’t know when the end comes. I think we’re okay for the current 15-day “social distancing” period. Maybe another 15 days after that. But not for several months.

The approaching cash stimulus to people and business assistance will buy a little time. But not indefinite. The government cannot bail out an entire economy.

At some point, we’re going to have to weigh the risk of a virus against the risk of ripping our societal bonds. I think the economic shutdown inflection point comes sometime in May, June at the latest. Beyond that, the center will not hold.

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I hope what we will see is restrictions starting to be easier well before the end of April… especially when the millions if deaths Democrats are actually craving dont materialise.

    nordic_prince in reply to mailman. | March 29, 2020 at 9:04 pm

    It won’t help – when the predictions of bajillions of deaths fail to come true, they’ll just say “See – ‘shelter in place’ orders DO work,” and they’ll be all too keen to trot it out again the next time they want to eff with the economy.

    notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital in reply to mailman. | March 30, 2020 at 8:05 pm

    Correct IT WILL NOT HAPPEN……

    BUT THE DEMS AND THEIR MSM WILL FAKE IT!

What the hell will we do when the regular flu hits again, actually hasn’t ended but, they don’t seem to care about 18,000 deaths from the flu

But the Democrats will come September, right before the election

4th armored div | March 29, 2020 at 6:58 pm

hey Bill – what are you doing about Pesach ?

And once we get close to the end of April they will come up with a reason to keep flagrantly disregarding our Constitutional Rights (for which there are NO exceptions or out clauses provided in the Constitution). The exact second you do one extension it makes doing another and another easier.

Our rights are being trampled and whether or not there is an emergency does not justify it.

The First and Fifth off the top of my head. And nowhere in the constitution does it EXPLICITLY state that the Government may suspend these rights at all; for any reason.

    Milhouse in reply to Joelist. | March 30, 2020 at 12:38 am

    Regulations of this sort easily survive strict scrutiny.

      Joelist in reply to Milhouse. | March 30, 2020 at 1:59 am

      That is lawyer semantics. Nowhere in the constitution does it EXPLICITLY say that the government can, for ANY reason, suspend enumerated rights. The ONLY time anyone can be deprived of them is spelled out in the Due Process clause. So, for example if someone is definitively shown to have a contagious and dangerous illness that particular person could be ordered by a judge into quarantine. Due process occurs. But a Governor locking down an entire state deprives all the citizens of their due process rights – sorry but all these shelter in place orders are blatantly unconstitutional.

      The alternative is that our Constitution means nothing. What will they make up based on computer modeling to deprive us of our God given rights next time? And once enough people realize the government can just declare an emergency, point to computer models and strip us of our rights it all falls apart – the compact is broken.

        filiusdextris in reply to Joelist. | March 30, 2020 at 9:16 am

        The powers not given to the federal government are reserved to the states. State sovereignty needs, when pitted against individual rights, can even survive in some cases. The Supreme Court worked out that logic back in Reynolds (1898, I think). Otherwise, under the guise of religious freedom, e.g., you could do horrendous acts. Thus, in a logical process called strict scrutiny, the government police power can defeat an individual right if the government has a compelling need (e.g., stopping viral infection) and it is using the least restrictive means. You can argue the facts, but the theory itself is sound; otherwise there is no “nation” of federal “states.”

Close The Fed | March 29, 2020 at 8:05 pm

The Georgia State Bar extended the deadline for continuing legal education until April 30th.

They should just wipe out the requirement for this year.

Too many expenses and income has dropped off the cliff.

This is pretty tough. I do have a lot of things to catch up on around the house….

Screw these “guidelines”. I’m driving to town tomorrow.

I dare CCP fearless dragon master Xi to come to the US to see Trump. I double dare him. My friends and I are prepared to make up *tons* of not politically correct signs to greet him in protest. I hope his security guards try to take away my signs. I dare them. Just try it.

What is going on with all this? It seems the response to this is far over reacting to a situation which, while it is taking lives, is still not at a point where it should be shutting down countries.

In extending this out further, it doesn’t seem to be in accord with what is being reported. Then we have the huge number of funeral urns going to China funeral places, in far excess of the number of deaths they reported, and after they claimed to have contained this virus. This after they kicked out foreign press, and stopped all their testing. The testing they were doing was found to be giving a lot of false negatives as well.

We have never, in our lifetime, seen anything like this. It seems to me that we are not being told the truth regarding this virus. Another 30 days for a total of 45 days of basic shut down? While I can understand some lengthening of this, given this is the chosen response, why is it extended so long beyond?

How are people supposed to live when income is drying up for a lot of people? There are huge numbers of people who can’t work from home. And while the number of essential people are somewhat soft in what is considered essential, you can’t go to a lot of businesses you would have gone to. Most businesses have stepped up and kept paying people, but layoffs have been high, and will keep getting worse. That payment coming from the government isn’t going to pay the bills for housing, food and electric/gas. And there are companies already looking at reduction of pay they are giving out to reflect the government payment.

We are not getting the whole story with this.

    walls in reply to oldgoat36. | March 29, 2020 at 10:27 pm

    You were expecting the truth? The truth is hard to find … and you must really scour the bowels of the internet. I don’t suppose you’ll ever get the truth truth. I’d like to know what Trump is really telling Xi in private. I don’t buy his public praise of that old commie.

    I think you are right here. This does seem a bit manufactured, almost like a sim, but I’m not adjusting the antenna on my tinfoil hat just yet. I think what we are actually seeing is multiple government responses to an as yet unknown Chinese virus that was haphazardly unleashed on the world. There is no central precept or approach; globalization and the EU, along with Chinese fantasies of global dominance, are taking huge hits here.

    If this is a test of the strength of some kind of “one world” government, it’s an abject failure. Countries are closing borders, in Italy EU flags are being burned, across the free world, people are calling for an end to reliance on China for cheap goods, for necessary medicines, for anything. “Buy French” is now a rallying cry, and it’s time more Americans insisted on American-made goods.

    Yes, we are hurting here in America, but we are Americans. We don’t cave, we don’t wilt, we survive and we thrive. Yes, we are facing tough times, but Americans pull together in trying times. When the going gets rough, we–the American tough–get going. This is no different. The whole story doesn’t matter (yet, if it ever will). We have to get through this now, together. Then we can review the ideologies that got us here.

    notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital in reply to oldgoat36. | March 30, 2020 at 8:09 pm

    RE:

    “It seems the response to this is far over reacting to a situation which, while it is taking lives, is still not at a point where it should be shutting down countries.”

    That was the entirely COLLUDED Goal of the DEMS and their
    Communist Chinese Government Pay Masters.

Trump has just killed the US economy for the next two years, IF he gets re-elected and we do not see a repeat of the COVID virus scam in the fall.

ONE MORE TIME, PEOPLE? The danger of COVID is HYPE. It is political fantasy in the US. never, in modern history, has the Us, or any free, industrialized nation ever shut down its economy for a disease. Not for the 20,000+ deaths from influenza in this flu season. Not for the 60,000 dead in the 2018-2019 flu season. And not for the 85000 dead in the 2017-2018 flu season. Bot for Swine flu, SARS. MERS, AIDs, Bird flu, Zika, West Nile virus and a slew of other diseases. But, for a lousy 2000 dead, we are going to destroy our whole economy??? Really??? How do people not see this as exactly what it is, a fraud?

Trump has been moused trapped by the media and the liberals and Dems and supported by many of his government medical “experts”. The longer he dances to their political tune, the worse his position becomes. And, the worse the position of the populous becomes. Now, what are the odds that every industrialized nation, in the Northern Hemisphere, would do the same thing? Can anyone believe that our leaders, and the Global Establishment, would blindly destroy the world economy? There is a Rubicon, where crossing that line will make it impossible to bring the economy back to where it was four months ago, for years. People had better wake-up before that line is crossed.

    healthguyfsu in reply to Mac45. | March 29, 2020 at 11:25 pm

    Current death rate estimates are 1.5%

    Season flu estimates are 0.1%

    The data may not be accurate but you have to go to war with the data you have right now.

    It’s not a mouse trap, but it is worth the caution for another month until we get a better picture with more data.

      I think it’s under 1.5%. But supposedly 4x more contagious than the normal flu we’re accustomed to. Also – several people in their 30’s and 40’s dying from this. I don’t think the standard flu kills that young.

        LibraryGryffon in reply to walls. | March 30, 2020 at 12:32 am

        It can, though it’s not common. I had flu when I was 39, followed by pneumonia, and I have no trouble seeing how someone in that age bracket can die from it.

      Seasonal flu still kills 15,000 – 85,000 people every single year in the US. And, no significant action is taken. No businesses shut. No one thrown out of work. No mass quarantines. So,, we have a little over 2000 people dead of COVID-related causes, in the US and we shut down the entire country and especially the economy. Why? No other means of limiting infection have even been suggested, by the powers-that-be. They are throwing all of their eggs into one basket. However, that basket will likely destroy the US and Global economies, sacrificing millions.

    I started out thinking the same thing, Mac, but the rising number of infections and deaths gave me pause. Does this rise to the level of shutting down our entire economy? That’s a tough call. One I am glad I don’t have to make (I would lean toward not doing so, if you’re interested). From a governing point of view, however, what do you do if you, like de Blasio, told everyone to carry on carrying on and then found yourself as the epicenter of the Chinese coronavirus? It’s real. People are really dying, not just old, sick people. Young, healthy people, infants. The elderly, too, the otherwise compromised, and they are all dying alone, in isolation/quarantine. This is tragic, and it is happening to Americans across the country right now. The regular flu also claims a large number of lives each year in America, more, so far, than the Chinese coronavirus. But we don’t know anything for sure yet, thus the abundance of caution from nations, including our own.

    I think that an abundance of caution at this point is okay. For one thing, all the major global economies are in the same boat, so we aren’t behind the curve here. For another, our economy will be the easiest to restart, the rubicon you mention is not a concern in geo-political global terms. Nor in national terms.

    The main important thing that China has right now is its near monopoly on antibiotics and other necessary medicines supplied to the U.S. We don’t make them anymore and are reliant on China for these meds. Trump is on that as I type. It’s unacceptable for America to be at the mercy of China or any country for anything. This is where globalization takes a hit . . . a hit from which it is unlikely to recover as countries from Italy to France to the United States realize that they have portioned out too much to other, often hostile entities . . . like China. The U.S. will have to gear up to be self-sufficient once more. The big picture here is to the good, in other words.

      China is an enemy with longterm goals to overtake us and bury us. That’s been clear from day one. They steal our IP. They steal our technology. They have industrial spies EVERYWHERE in all industries. I could give you plenty of examples.

      We only have ourselves to blame – corporate CEO’s and politicians. CEO’s and politicians are greedy – doing what’s best for THEM and not the country. China can buy all of them relatively cheaply. Just look at the Biden mess! Will we ever learn NOW? Time will tell.

      As a country, we’ve been extremely stupid. I’ve been preaching this for decades. I hope there are BIG CHANGES coming – and that includes throwing all ChiCom students out of our universities, and bringing a ton of manufacturing back home.

      It might be different if China was an ally like Canada or Britain. But they are not.

        You’re right, China is not an ally like Canada or Britain and never can be. They want to spread Chinese communism, now a weird truncated Maoism, to the world. China is not our friend and never can be as long as it remains fixated on global domination. That is China’s goal, they’ve said it. Believe them as you would anyone stating their true goal.

        Hopefully, there will be some good from this latest Chinese pandemic, and with Trump at the helm, we can start producing our own goods, particularly medicines (since China just threatened us regarding their own near-monopoly on the antibiotic market).

        I can’t do much to hurt China, but I can stop buying their cheap crap. Yesterday.

          “I can’t do much to hurt China, but I can stop buying their cheap crap. Yesterday.”

          I stopped buying their cheap crap yesterday …. to the best of my ability. I always look at the label. I can’t do much alone, same as you. But if 350,000,000 of us pitched together and boycotted all that cheap crap, we’d force manufacturers and retailers like Walmart aka ChinaMart to change! The Chinese economy would collapse and be in tatters. Maybe 1B+ unemployed Chinese citizens would revolt … and dump communism. It’s a plan that would work if EVERYBODY cooperated.

          There is always strength in numbers.

      Fist iof all, we have NO idea what the final death toll will be from COVID-19. And, so far, it is far below the yearly flu fatality rate and there are less than 4000 deaths in the US. So, what is the justification for throwing over 3 million people out of work, many of whom are unlikely to have any significant savings, as well as closing low profit businesses, many of which will not reopen, even with government help?

      As you note, the international economy has been tanked. What are other countries going to buy from the US. And, as the economic shutdown in the US, which accounts for 27% of the global commuter market, will leave a vast swath of that consumer market with substantially reduced or non-existent discretionary funds which are used to drive that consumer market, who do you expect to buy meals at restaurants, new seasonal clothing, new cars, go to movies, and otherwise spend their now depleted disposable income? Who is going to pay back the money for this 2 trillion dollar relief legislation? The unemployed? The bankrupt businesses? Why are we even considering sacrificing millions to protect a few thousand? We have never done it in the past. So, why now? And, why on a global scale? Exactly WHO benefits from this?

        Good questions all. My guess is that Trump is not sacrificing our economy for nothing. Do you think he is? To what end, if so? And why in an election year?

        There is a there there, I think. Let’s see how it plays out.

          Oh, I believe that Trumps is sacrificing ht economy for a very good reason, to gain reelection. I THINK that he has been placed in a position where political considerations make it impossible for him NOT to follow the lead of his medical advisors and support the ridiculous general sequestration and business closing to possibly stop the spread of the virus. If Trump is not reelected, his whole agenda will be revered, quickly, as the Republicans have failed to pass any legislation to support his agenda.

          Now, look at the situation from his perspective. If he is defeated in November, his whole agenda is a wash. If he allows the shut-down to continue, it will prove to be ineffective. He can then blame the overreach of the Democrat state leaders, as well as Nancy Pelosi, which will lead to a recession, at best. I THINK he feels that he can revive the economy in the first year after his reelection, as he turned the US economy around within 18 months of assuming office in 2017.

          I have answered YOUR questions. So, please answer mine.

          Of course I will address your questions, Mac! 🙂 There are many, but here is the final barrage:

          Who is going to pay back the money for this 2 trillion dollar relief legislation? The unemployed? The bankrupt businesses? Why are we even considering sacrificing millions to protect a few thousand? We have never done it in the past. So, why now? And, why on a global scale? Exactly WHO benefits from this?

          The short answer is we just don’t know because this situation is unprecedented. Who pays? We do, actual taxpayers, and far too much as we all know, and we get loans . .. from China.

          We’re screwed financially as a nation and have been for decades, but no one wants to tackle the real problems: our vast, now mostly unfunded entitlements. I was a hard core Tea Partier back in the day, and I still am at heart, but there was a turning point, a moment in time that I knew we were screwed financially as a nation. It was kind of simple, really, I wrote a blog about the massive drain on our nation’s economy that comes from the big three: social security, Medicare, and Medicaid. I was writing in support of stopping the fiscal crazy, and the responses were mostly disheartening. Tea Partiers support entitlements, they don’t care about the national debt or the deficit (heck, most don’t know those are two very separate things). Then, later, I saw a conservative blogger write in support of the $15 minimum wage. We’re toast because even the “fiscally conservative” are absolutely blind to the entitlement suck and to the minimum wage scam; heck, Trump won, in part, on and still gets cheers for promising not to touch the big three. I get it. But it’s a part of a reality that makes me sad.

          It’s that same reality you are now grappling with. Do you really think anyone will pay for one cent of the massive pandemic bailout? Of course it’s not going to be paid for (we know this because there was not one single pay for in the entire package). It’ll get tacked onto to our national debt. And forgotten.

          As to your broader questions, I don’t really have an answer because those latter questions are leading. Almost conspiratorial. Who benefits? Who did this? Why did “they” do it now? And why on a global scale? I think there’s just too much packed in there that cannot be supported. I don’t think there is someone in China wondering how they crash the global economy (on which they depend for their ever more tenuous economic existence). There’s no evil dude in a high rise stroking a cat while contemplating the collapse of humanity.

          China screwed up and let some bat stew pathogen loose on the world. That’s it. No evil mastermind, no secret cabal. Just a paranoid, unstable, ultimately unsustainable communist regime opening a bat soup Pandora’s box and then pretending for as long as they could that nothing happened. But something did, and it still is happening and on a global scale.

          China, arguably and at this historical moment, has a lot more to lose than anyone else. The end of globalization won’t kill the West, even if it’s a swift, unceremonious death. We’ll be fine. We may have to do without for a bit and to pay more our things later, but we’ll be fine. As will European countries.

          So in that light? Who benefits from this pandemic? Well, kind of us. And all other countries whose populations are urging more self-sufficiency and less dependence on globalization. But I don’t think there’s a bald anti-globalist, pro-free market, anti-regulation guy stroking his cat in some tower, either.

      alaskabob in reply to Fuzzy Slippers. | March 30, 2020 at 1:20 am

      We will get our best “new” look at the dynamics in two weeks if the present modeling is nominal. If the real numbers are less or the rate of new cases begins to drop than restarting could come sooner. From what I have read, I think the number of hospitalizations is the best metric rather than deaths. No country has reached apex yet. In prepping I never considered a pandemic as high on the list but “one size fit all” right now. The wild card is civil unrest if things go really bad… prepped for that also but as President Trump said I wish for the old days… but we may be learning how to make these bad days less likely in the future. One cautionary note… after leading England to victory in WWII, Churchill was voted out for a headlong jump into socialism. In part the social/cultural strata of England was different than for us now, but how many people will trade freedoms for misplaced security?

    BKC in reply to Mac45. | March 30, 2020 at 12:18 am

    CDC estimates 61K flu deaths 2017-18, and 34K flu deaths 2018-19 in US.

    From 3/1 to 3/25, the total covid19 US cases increased at a very consistent rate of 1.33/day (with some wiggles). If you project that out to mid April, it increases to 6 million total cases. The rate of increase has started to decrease as of a few days ago, presumably due to quarantining.

    The total deaths rate increased around mid March to more closely match the rate of change of total cases (which it should match). From then to yesterday, the rate of increase was very consistent. If you project that rate forward to mid April, the number of deaths would be about 90K.

    I didn’t use some fancy model, just used the daily numbers (that were pretty consistent) to predict what the numbers would be in a couple of weeks if we didn’t do something.

The major issue is that it has an exponential growth curve and because of that, we really won’t know how bad it could get until it is far to late to do anything about it.

Right now, I can see them holding with the guidelines for the next two weeks while the quinine + azithromycine + zinc cocktail gets into the main stream treatment of this, then it being relaxed as we determine it is reliably treatable with the cocktail, and get enough in distribution to get through the outbreak.

For now, they have to work with the assumption that the treatments may not work as advertised and keep distancing going through what the likely worst case cycle is.

LibraryGryffon | March 30, 2020 at 12:39 am

I hope the Brit home test for antibodies which was supposed to be being rolled out in the next week or so is as good as they say, and we can then get it here quickly. Knowing who has had it already and therefore presumably has some immunity would be seriously useful.

Mac45, I don’t know about overall death rates and how they compare to other times when we didn’t take such measures, but I know that in my relatively small community this weekend’s death toll was horrendous. One funeral home was out of drivers to take the bodies to the cemetery, and put out a call for volunteers with a minivan or SVU to help out. I don’t recall that ever happening before. Some funerals had to be postponed to tomorrow because of the overload.

What’s this “killing the economy” stuff? Where I am, things are about 90% functional.

    randian in reply to tom_swift. | March 30, 2020 at 10:34 am

    If you live anywhere tourism is a thing the economy is really bad. Also, the subset of the economy reliant on entertainment, like movie theaters, amusement parks, aquariums, and the like are being crushed too.

Less than 48 hours ago Trump was talking about Easter as the date the restrictions would be eased. Not everywhere or all at once, but the beginning of the end. Now that has changed. What changed his mind? The supposed reason for the restrictions have not gotten dramatically worse. So why are they extending the lockdown?

I’m guessing all the hot spots that have cropped up and how quickly this has spread particularly in the tri state area. Our President is acutely aware of the damage being done to our economy while we are shut down. Easter was something to look forward to as a possibility of a staggered reopening.I’m sure the numbers are being analyzed daily and with different drugs being tested to fight this we are only weeks away from this ending. Also with warmer weather around the corner ultraviolet light kills the virus as well.

call me crazy (it’s been done before) but, shouldn’t we the citizens of this great country have a opportunity to decide what course of action should be taken? if we’re going to commit ourselves to national suicide, i’d like a chance to at least pick my poison. how about a national binding referendum to decide for ourselves when we’re allowed to once again roam freely. you remember, from sea to shining sea, amber waves of grain, purple mountain majesties, fruited plains, etc.

Funny how it’s all the lib states that are seeing high numbers.

I’m currently an essential worker bee as I am in the grocery industry and work in a store every day. They have installed plexiglass shields at the cashier stands and marked the floors with tape for a six foot distance. This just happened a few days ago. But prior to that when this whole thing went down and hundreds of people passed through the doors and at that point nobody was “social distancing” or wearing masks or gloves like I see now no one cared about the worker bees being exposed to the virus. The only concern was keeping the shelves stocked as best we could. Currently during this whole month long process only one worker bee has tested positive where I work.

And in my opinion with the number of worker bees we have and the tremendous amount of shoppers who have come into the store this is a very low number. I’m no expert but being in the store every day I know what I’ve seen . Also as a side note a mucky muck came in one day last week and said the projections were for 4% growth. Once this started he claimed that number jumped to 60%. Just goes to show the staggering amount of people who have streamed into the grocery store. Imho I don’t believe we should have everything shut down. Let people decide what they want to do,because we sure didn’t stop people from purchasing food.

nordic_prince | March 30, 2020 at 8:56 am

I’ve said all along that things don’t add up, and there’s more to this than meets the eye.

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