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Ghost Towns USA

Ghost Towns USA

At some point, we’re going to have to weigh the risk of a virus against the risk of ripping our societal bonds. I think the economic shutdown inflection point comes sometime in May, June at the latest. Beyond that, the center will not hold.

Used with permission reader WAJ

A reader sent me the image above, of Park Avenue in Manhattan just before 5 p.m. today. The height of ‘rush hour.’

This is a major avenue in the heart of our largest city, that in normal times would be jam-packed with cars, and taxis, and delivery trucks, and pedestrians. But it was all but deserted due to the government-ordered rolling shutdown of the economy to delay the spread of Wuhan coronavirus.

Madison Avenue also looked like a ghost town, in another photo the reader sent:

Used with permission reader WAJ

I’m not sure how long this can go on before things come apart. I’m thinking Los Angeles after the Rodney King verdict, and New York during numerous blackouts. But it’s more.

For now the food supply is stable, as are the electric grid, and water and energy supplies. But should scarcities appear as factories shut down, then the social breakdown will not be limited to big cities.

With some large cities limiting arrests and with large-scale prison releases possible to prevent viral outbreaks inside the walls, the old adage that ‘when seconds count, the police are only minutes away,’ will seem quaint. The police may be hours away, or nowhere to be found. People are stocking up on guns and ammo for a reason.

You can’t just stop an economy, and expect it not to tear at the seams that hold society together.

I don’t know when the end comes. I think we’re okay for the current 15-day “social distancing” period. Maybe another 15 days after that. But not for several months.

The approaching cash stimulus to people and business assistance will buy a little time. But not indefinite. The government cannot bail out an entire economy.

At some point, we’re going to have to weigh the risk of a virus against the risk of ripping our societal bonds. I think the economic shutdown inflection point comes sometime in May, June at the latest. Beyond that, the center will not hold.

I’m reminded of one of my favorite poems.

THE SECOND COMING

William Butler Yeats (1865-1939)

Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.

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I hope they’re relying on the reduced velocity of money to effectively reduce the demands on the economy, since they shut down the means of supplying the goods that the money would otherwise buy. Meaning inflation or price controls and rationing.

Doesn’t this fear run against the left trying to force mass transit and everybody live in the city? Now individual cars look good, don’t they?

    notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital in reply to TX-rifraph. | March 19, 2020 at 9:29 pm

    So right.

    Have you seen this?

    Leftist Democrats are FED UP with the Lies of the DEMS’ Media about all this.

    ‘People vs Pelosi’ trends when even the left has had enough

    House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has sparked a heated backlash as she appeared to be against considering cash payments for Americans in the midst of the coronavirus crisis.

    Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell vowed that senators “will not leave” Washington until they successfully come up with a new stimulus package in the wake of the COVID-19 crisis.

    https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/03/19/people-vs-pelosi-trends-when-even-the-left-has-had-enough-898893

      notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital in reply to notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital. | March 19, 2020 at 9:30 pm

      Also related:

      Apocalypse Fatigue: Why Won’t At-Risk Boomers Panic About the Wuhan Virus?

      Apocalypse Fatigue: Why Won’t At-Risk Boomers Panic About the Wuhan Virus?
      [Buck Throckmorton]

      In the past week, a story that keeps getting written and re-written by young journalists is the stubborn refusal of older Americans to panic about the Wuhan Virus. Pretty much every story reads: “Why is it that a healthy young American like me – in the demographic most likely to survive Coronavirus – is panicking right now, while my Boomer parents/grandparents, who are highly vulnerable to death by Coronavirus, refuse to panic or radically change their lifestyle?”

      Here are just three examples. No need to click – they all read the same.

      Although I’m a little too young to be considered a Boomer, I am over 50, and I’d be glad to explain why the over-50 demographic is not panicking in the fashion that our young, know-it-all journalists would like. It’s simple. We’ve been through a lifetime of media-hyped hysterias and apocalyptic predictions. If not complete hoaxes, they were falsely reported or over-hyped. Here are a few:

      Overpopulation and Global Famine…..

      Got lots more good reading there.

      http://acecomments.mu.nu/?post=386412

Politicians should self imprison.

Ben Shapiro
@benshapiro
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Mar 18
So according to NYC and Philadelphia, you may be arrested if you open your restaurant today, but you’ll be fine if you break into that restaurant and shoplift some goods. Seems smart.

    JusticeDelivered in reply to 4fun. | March 19, 2020 at 9:48 pm

    Maybe we will see some improvements in SYG law? When such is righteous, and career criminals are permanently removed from society, we all benefit.

notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital | March 19, 2020 at 9:35 pm

How many of those New Yawkers can drive big riggs?

URGENT: States Making Life Impossibly Hard for Truckers, Who Can’t Find Food and Bathrooms

In this unprecedented crisis brought to us by the lying Communists in China, the COVID-19 pandemic panic has gone too far. America’s truckers, the people we rely on to restock our empty grocery shelves, are being treated like disease vectors and worse, they’ve been forgotten.

The state of Pennsylvania thought it was a good idea to shut down all the rest stops where truckers sleep, including closing the bathrooms—until the trucking lobby caught the ear of the president. Thirteen rest stops have been reopened in Pennsylvania, but our truckers are being forced to use porta-Johns that are far dirtier than the public bathrooms. How is this helping?

It’s not just rest areas, but restaurants are closing their dining rooms, even in truck stops. Truckers can’t go through drive-thrus. How are they supposed to eat while they are killing themselves to bring us toilet paper and fresh produce? Companies receiving the goods aren’t even letting the drivers use their bathrooms.

https://pjmedia.com/trending/urgent-states-making-life-impossibly-hard-for-truckers-who-cant-find-food-and-bathrooms-find/

The numbers that we’ve run at work suggest that our current reaction might make sense from the public health point of view, but it’s dubious from the economic point of view. Our best estimate is that we’ll need to save at least 250K lives to justify the economic damage that the lockdowns will cause (possibly more, depending upon your assumptions), but they’ll probably end up saving far fewer.

Some people really don’t like the idea of putting a dollar value on human life, but we do that all the time. You can infer that value from our behavior, for example. How much additional pay people need to accept certain chances of death on the job. How much housing prices are depressed near toxic waste sites. Etc.

I don’t think that we’re ready for a discussion like this in this country, and the result from not doing this could end having a very high price attached to it.

    Brave Sir Robbin in reply to lwmarti. | March 19, 2020 at 10:37 pm

    The problem with this virus is that if we do not get it under control you can put another “0” on the “250k” you mentioned, and just for the US. This is why governments are taking such extraordinary measures to combat it.

      Our estimates actually are for far fewer deaths than 250K. Remember that your initial mortality estimates are always way too high. The estimates of 2 to 3 percent are based on the most severe cases that seek medical treatment. There are usually many more that are much less severe, and these don’t show up in the initial estimates. Lots of people get infected but never seek medical treatment. Some don’t even show any symptoms at all.

      To get a more accurate estimate typically takes many months. You need to draw and analyze blood samples from a sample of the population. My favorite example – West Nile. The initial estimate was 10 percent fatal. Holy cow! We’re all going to die!

      More careful collection of data, however, showed that it was more like 0.1 percent fatal. That’s a huge difference. And 80 percent of those who get WNV are asymptomatic.

      But this isn’t being explained in the mass media. The story that you’re getting there is that we have exponential growth of a deadly virus that is going to kill millions.

      I think that when the dust settles and we can perform the necessary serotesting, we’ll find that the Wuhan coronavirus was roughly as deadly as the seasonal flu though more communicable. Note that this is still quite serious. Many, many people die from the flu each year. Tens of thousands of them. I’m definitely not saying that the Wuhan coronavirus is no big deal.

      It looks like the best data on the Wuhan virus is from Korea, where we’re seeing about 0.6 percent mortality, a number that will probably decrease with more data.

      So is it worth being careful? Absolutely. Is it worth shutting down a significant fraction of the US economy to control? Maybe, maybe not.

      China will pull this crap again and again and again unless we deal with them NOW. Where is Bolton when we need him?

      China gave us H1N1, the bird flu, SARS, and now the Wuhan virus. That’s FOUR. I don’t ever want to get to FIVE.

        LibraryGryffon in reply to walls. | March 20, 2020 at 12:14 am

        The Bubonic Plague pandemic of the 14th Century (which is still endemic in this country) began in China, and there is strong evidence that the “Spanish” flu of 1918-20 also started there. I’m not sure there have been any global pandemics which *didn’t* start in China.

        h1n1 was first found in mexico

        if you were china wouldn’t you? look how easy it was. basically, the entire free world stopped on a dime. no good can come of this. there is NO upside. once the pols see how complacent the populous was, they’ll want more. it’s like a addict and herion.

At the risk of sounding like a nut (I’m not; but maybe sometimes I like to live on the edge), I believe there is a good chance the Rapture of the Church MIGHT happen on the Feast of Firstfruits or the Day of Pentecost this year. It would be “consistent” if it happens on a Feast of Firstfruits, since Jesus was resurrected on that Feast day. It would also be “consistent” if it happens on a Day of Pentecost, since the Church was born on that Feast day, when the Holy Spirit was sent to indwell and empower the disciples.

I believe this year to be a very likely year, given everything that is happening in the world, but especially given the EU’s “Neighborhood Partnership” program for Mediterranean countries, including Iraq and Israel. I only recently found out about this, and the EU’s Neighborhood Partnership program is funded/reinstated every 7 years, and each country involved is assessed (for compliance, etc.) in the middle of the 7 years (a handful every 3 years and 5 months, and at least one every 3 years and 6 months). It seems clear that the EU is the “Revived Roman Empire” prophesied in both Daniel 2 and Daniel 7, out of which the Antichrist arises in the “Last Days”. Daniel 9 reveals that the Antichrist will “confirm a covenant with many for one week” (in context, meaning 7 years), and that he will break the covenant “in the middle” of the 7 years. The EU and Israel (and other Mediterranean countries) are perfectly aligned for an EU leader to come along and fulfill those prophecies.

But why do I think this is a likely year for the Rapture? Because the Rapture occurs BEFORE the confirming of the 7-Year Covenant, and the next 7-year EU Neighborhood Partnership agreement is scheduled to take effect Janauary 1, 2021. Bear in mind that I am not “setting dates” or “prophesying” anything — I do not know when the Rapture will happen, or if this EU Neighborhood Partnership agreement will end up being the 7-Year Antichrist-confirmed treaty (or, even if it does, WHEN it would — whether in 2021, or 2028, or some other year). All I can say is, the numbers and circumstances certainly suggest keeping an eye or two open this year.

Oh, and I had a dream back on January 23, 1993 that was from God (of this I am certain). It was in two parts. In the first part, in my dream I was standing in my kitchen in Elkhart, Indiana, and I was looking up slightly at the ceiling, and I somehow knew that God the Father was just beyond, seated on His throne (it was like a vision within a dream — I did not think He was in the attic). And I asked God the Father, “When will the End be?” (and I meant the Rapture). And He said, “When it is spoken by Iraq.”

What I think will be “spoken” by Iraq (ancient Babylon, in effect) is that they will announce that they will agree to a 7-Year agreement with the EU (likely in congruence with Israel). From what I have recently read, Iraq is planning to make an announcement this early April sometime regarding their position on the EU Neighborhood Partnership. I will try to double-check this latter piece of information, to make sure I have not confused things.

Lastly, how convenient, and merciful for the world, if the Rapture were to occur during a worldwide “shutdown” such as we are currently experiencing, and apparently likely will continue to experience to, and probably past, this April? We live in interesting times.

“Watch, and pray always that you might be counted worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man.” (Jesus)

    I don’t know why expressing the hope of your faith would make you sound like a nut, DJB. An old friend of mine used to shuttle class A motorhomes out of Elkhart to Portland (?) dragging a car behind and sometimes stopped to break bread with me at a diner off of I-80 on his return trip. It was welcome fellowship at a time the Father had me isolated and in a real hard place. He has given me dreams as well, but never about the timing of events. Most dreams had to do with tearing down the falsehoods that had set up within me against His Truth.

    There was one dream nearly 20 years ago that I hope to live to see – the “Wheat field vision”. If you’re interested: https://thesonsarefree.wordpress.com/2016/03/06/wheat-field-vision/

    Not sure what I believe about the rapture any more in as much as there’s a sense in which we already are … born of the spirit, seated with Christ in heavenly places, no longer of this world but children of God and citizens of His Kingdom, in the world but not of it, new creations, etc. Accordingly, my body is nothing more than an anchor in this world. I’m inclined to think that we will remain here until we learn to live like we’re already there like the scriptures say. As food for thought – and believe me – I’m still working through it all – there’s an article at the top of the blog called “The Bride of Christ: Victim or Victor?” It speaks to the rapture with regard to the condition / readiness of the Church at the time.

    Not a nut at all – just off by one feast. All of the first 4 feasts (Passover, Unleavened Bread, First Fruits, and Weeks (Pentecost) have been fulfilled on the date of the feast. The next is the Feast of Trumpets (Rosh Hashanah). See 1 Thessalonians 4:16.

    For in-depth studies, go to https://www.ariel.org/ and search for “feasts”.

      I used to think the Rapture would occur on a Feast of Trumpets (and that’s still a solid “candidate” Feast), but now I think it is more likely to be fulfilled at Jesus’ Second Coming, with the Day of Atonement being fulfilled with the beginning of Jesus’ judging of “the sheep and the goats” (apparently taking roughly five days), and the Feast of Tabernacles being fulfilled with Jesus seating Himself in the Temple and His Millennial reign on Earth officially beginning. The Church Age is a sort of “interlude” between Jesus’ first and second comings.

brightlights | March 19, 2020 at 9:48 pm

I read a blog run by a retired Chicago cop who gets lots of news from current cops. Rumor is the mayor might be looking to lock the city down. The problem though is who and how will it be enforced? The population doesn’t like cops and therefore tends not to obey them. The cops are gunshy because if they do anything proactive they get slammed by the media, the ACLU, their mayor, etc.

    lwmarti in reply to brightlights. | March 19, 2020 at 9:52 pm

    Have they considered just playing the National Anthem over the emergency broadcast system in Chicago? Wouldn’t all the troublemakers get down one one knee in protest? Keep playing it and you’ve got the city locked down.

    lwmarti in reply to brightlights. | March 19, 2020 at 9:52 pm

    Have they considered just playing the National Anthem over the emergency broadcast system in Chicago? Wouldn’t all the troublemakers get down one one knee in protest? Keep playing it and you’ve got the city locked down.

    notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital in reply to brightlights. | March 19, 2020 at 9:53 pm

    You might find this fact interesting.

    It’s from “Updated Ground Reports – How Well Stocked is Your Neighborhood Grocery Store?…”

    One shopper/poster volunteered how in one regular sized grocery store, his conversation with a manager revealed this.

    The store manager said they normally do about $30,000 in sales daily – about $210,000 in revenue a week.

    However in just FIVE DAYS they had done OVER $1 MILLION in Sales.

    Does NYC have TP???????

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/03/18/updated-ground-reports-how-well-stocked-is-your-neighborhood-grocery-store/

      A few days ago, I talked to a friend who is a grocery store manager. He said that their usual store sales are about a million per week. The previous day it was $750,000 for that day!

        txvet2 in reply to SHV. | March 20, 2020 at 12:17 am

        And if it’s like the stores around here, that’s for only about 4-5 hours of business. After that, they’re pretty much sold out.

      Hoarding groceries is irrational, not to mention harmful to your neighbors. It’s obnoxious but rational to hoard in the face of a hurricane, because the physical damage post-hurricane can interfere with getting more food to your location. That doesn’t apply to this virus, which doesn’t interfere with the orderly supply of goods.

        snopercod in reply to randian. | March 20, 2020 at 8:48 am

        The virus doesn’t interfere, but you should be worried about the government response. The idiot governor of California has just told the entire State to “shelter in place”. How far will they go to enforce that? Will they start shooting people who step out of their houses?

I think the economic shutdown inflection point comes sometime in May, June at the latest.

People will revolt long before that.

Hey, isn’t that Sherman McCoy over there?

Sorry, lawyer.

Bring. It. On.

Paul In Sweden | March 19, 2020 at 10:08 pm

This seems like a dry run for the eventual deadly outbreak. I remain unimpressed.

I’m hoping testing + quinine gets us back up and running in a month. If quinine works as a treatment, then everyone with a fever or cough gets tested and quarantines, if positive, go on quinine and remain in quarantine, if not, leave quarantine.

OMG!

How will our Republic ever survive without two lawyers for every productive citizen!

Although, in retrospect, I suppose every ear of corn deserves its own attorney.

This whole thing is a scam.

Most of us commenting here are middle-aged. We’ve seen ten or twenty flu and virus epidemics in our lives. We’re still here.

This one is a swamp-media attack on our way of life. Period.

For those that remember the 55 mph speed limit. “55 Saves Lives” ..which really didn’t. More time killed in cars that life times lost to above 55 mph accidents” Also, basis of study flawed. A functioning society runs with risks. We are about to deep-six the world to avoid a death rate that is still below normal… IF… we have all of the facts. Chicken Little in Bubble Wrap will never work.

Turn me on, Bloomberg!

Katy L. Stamper | March 20, 2020 at 12:07 am

I assume the law undergirding the FDA is preventing widespread use of Hydroxychloroquine, because if I didn’t assume that, I would be thinking very negative thoughts about the head of the FDA, Stephan Hahn.

Despite citizens losing money, losing livelihoods, from this disease that might turn into an epidemic, he was stressing the FDA had to test everything for safety AND efficacy.

If a medicine is safe, then as discussed on Tucker Carlson’s show, the doctors should just adopt the dosages other countries are using, and get going on it.

But Hahn emphasized going through large trials. He’s not sick, he’s not the one that’s going to die if not permitted this week. His attitude I found repulsive. The fact it may be enshrined in law is no excuse.

The law should have been changed when they did Right To Try.

Under the “compassionate use,” as Hahn explained it, the doctors have to REQUEST this off label usage, and he claimed the process was “quick.” To a patient in a hail storm, no administrative procedure can be quick enough. To a doctor with patients dying all around him, nothing can be quick enough.

I found it dispiriting that Pres. Trump kissed the FDA’s ass, discussing how well they were working. That’s untrue. We don’t have Hydroxychloroquine in every hospital’s pharmacy, so the FDA is by definition not working well at all.

The government has well and truly put sand in the gears of our medical system. I wish they would flush all the bureaucracies and START OVER.

    But of course that’s not the way it works. The function of the bureaucracy isn’t to expedite solutions, but to prevent them, thus ensuring the continuation of the bureaucracy.

    snopercod in reply to Katy L. Stamper. | March 20, 2020 at 8:53 am

    Bravo, Katy! My recommendation is to zero out the FDA budget in order to pay for the upcoming “stimulus”.

    It is law not which is undercutting the use of hydroxicholoquine as a treatment for COVID-19, but liability. In order for the FDA to give blanket approval for the use of any drug as a specified treatment for any specific disease, clinical trials must be run. However, as the head of the FDA said, as choloquine is already tested by the FDA and its side effects are known, it can be used based upon “on the box” directions, in the treatment of COVID, without FDA approval. However, both the manufacturer of the drug and the administering facility or physician would assume any liability for its use. Whether these entities choose to take their chances with liability for use of the drug or not remains to be seen.

      randian in reply to Mac45. | March 20, 2020 at 1:03 pm

      That’s a false conundrum. FDA approval doesn’t relieve the manufacturer of civil liability. The head of the FDA, by saying what he did, is signaling that he doesn’t want this solution to covid-19 to be manufactured. It’s an implicit threat to the manufacturer that if they don’t spend years on a clinical trial to bless this off-book use he might take some regulatory action.

        Mac45 in reply to randian. | March 21, 2020 at 11:25 am

        It is always about the liability. And long term testing backed by FDA approval goes a long way to mitigating liability for the use of drugs. Companies and practitioners rarely see any liability for drug side affects, if they are accurately known. Most judgements come as a result of improper use of a drug or because the results of the “testing” were altered or suppressed by the manufacturer.

    Doctors need to just start treating patients with the combo and let the chips fall where they may. That’s your “large scale” testing.

This is utter horsesh-t.

We thought the civil war would start in virginia, but it is going to start on california.

Shut the damn borders, make sure this never happens again. From here on out, any politician who isn’t in favor of closed borders isn’t serious.

LukeHandCool | March 20, 2020 at 1:56 am

Well, this is a time when working at the police department sucks.

A few days ago one of my favorite officers, a 63-year-old guy who grew up a few miles from me here in coastal L.A., and whose parents met at my high school in the 1950s, came back to work after being out with a staph infection. He’s half-Mexican-, half-German-American and one of the most well-read hobbyist historians I’ve ever encountered.

Returning to work after overcoming his staph infection, he went on an impromptu rant about how the police have to be in the trenches and the front lines when every pandemic/epidemic comes along, from AIDS to SARS … to the Chinese Wuhan Corona Virus. The police get scratched, bitten, spat and bled upon, etc., etc. They have to deal with the filthy homeless on an almost daily basis. But do they get any thanks or respect for what they do? No. Definitely not. Not in today’s upside-down world. No support from craven city politicians, either.

His partner at the desk that night was/is an equally fascinating person. Two or three times a week they work the front desk together and I love listening to their wide-ranging conversations; everything from ancient history to today’s current events and social pathologies.

This second guy can barely walk. He’s tall but fit. I thought the reason his one leg drags along as he painfully walks was because he had liver cancer and a subsequent liver transplant a couple years ago. But after a long talk with him on a quiet night I found out his paralysis was the result of falling through a rotten part of a roof of a house while chasing an armed suspect a few years ago, before he developed cancer.

Now he has kidney cancer and is awaiting another organ transplant. When he broke three vertebrae falling through that roof while on duty, he was offered early retirement and 90% of his pension. He refused. When I asked why, he said his paternal grandfather, a Basque from Picasso’s Guernica, who lost most of his family during the Spanish Civil War, had a huge effect on him. His grandfather brought him up to believe the worst thing a man could do was to live on welfare. He said his grandfather was fiercely independent and self-sufficient.

He said that if he’d known at the time that he would soon develop liver cancer, he would have reluctantly taken the pension early.

Alas, he keeps on working. With his delicate, compromised immune system, he is especially vulnerable to infections. Yet I’ve never once seen him call in sick. Most of the young cops use up all their sick time. One night one-third of the officers on patrol (all young officers) called in sick. But this guy, who could become dangerously ill from an infection dealing with the public, never calls in sick. And he shakes his head at the young officers who think nothing of calling in sick when they don’t want to come to work.

A lieutenant who recently retired with whom I was particularly close would sit and chew the fat with me the first 15 minutes of his watch every day. One day when I was half-jokingly bitching about my life he told me to talk to this guy about his life anytime I was feeling sorry for myself.

Now I understand. Besides his personal physical problems, he takes care of his mother, who has dementia and becomes violent, and his father who was “never the same” after returning home from Vietnam after being a tortured POW. He also adopted two children and cares for them.

So, next time you’re feeling bitter and afraid of catching a virus as you’re isolated in your home … think of this guy.

And other officers. Like the one I asked, “Do you smell bleach?” and who replied he’d just had to restrain a homeless man who had open sores everywhere. Upon returning to the station, the officer washed his hands with bleach.

Or the one I was chatting with just before he was taken to the emergency room for shots after being bitten by a homeless woman.

Or the officer out with a virulent skin infection (caught from the homeless) who now has a golf-ball sized hole in his neck. The officers were sharing the gruesome pictures on their cellphones at the station.

Or the two officers who arrived at an apartment to talk to the couple about their place being burglarized. The officers shook hands with the couple and stepped inside to get all the details for the report … only to be told by the couple they’d just returned from vacation in Italy and they were feeling sick and self-quarantining. I sighed as I read the officers’ employee report stating that they may well have been exposed to the Corona Virus during this investigation.

These guys are on the front lines. And everybody is finding fault with them. It’s infuriating.

Road traffic is way down, cities and towns seem like ghost towns with little movement on the streets and sidewalks.

Construction sites have been shut down. Hotels are empty. Restaurants only allow take out if they are open at all.

It is a strange feeling going to buildings where few are around, and heaven forbid if you sneeze.

Massive layoffs are being talked about for construction and renovation workers, a lot of anti-union talk coming from union members who don’t think their unions have done anything to assist them.

I am an inspector, and have been turned away from places, even though I react with few people in the course of my work. Hospitals are like prison wards, where you go through multiple layers of security, each station asking the same questions, taking temperatures, and wanting documentation of who you are.

It’s almost like going around in the aftermath of a massive battle where most people are just gone. Getting a cup of coffee is difficult without a drive through. Fast foods seem to be doing business IF they have a drive through.

Most I talk to think its insane. All commenting on the numbers not matching up to the hype, and a growing distrust in the media and government. Talk of buying guns and having ammunition are high topics discussed. Frustration over the economic impact this is making on people is another point.

I was in a hotel yesterday that is likely going to close, out of over 800 rooms they have 4 being used. Most staff laid off, food services cut to the barest amount.

    TX-rifraph in reply to oldgoat36. | March 20, 2020 at 6:27 am

    And the Democrats are nearly silent which is not like them. Why? What do they know that they fear about all of this? They seem to want to be able to say “It wasn’t me!”

    Something is not right. I feel like I am living in one of Rod Serling’s Twilight Zone episodes.

      Katy L. Stamper in reply to TX-rifraph. | March 20, 2020 at 9:01 am

      Of course it’s not right. It’s a handy way of killing the economy and giving dems a chance to win in November.

        notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital in reply to Katy L. Stamper. | March 20, 2020 at 6:38 pm

        However it’s not working out for the DEMS!

        More and more Democrats are seeing how Criminal the Media is and how they are nothing but “registered” Democrat Party slaves.

        In 2012, a survey revealed that 93% of the media were Democrats. Sure it’s much higher now, because that’s how
        Kults work.

      snopercod in reply to TX-rifraph. | March 20, 2020 at 9:02 am

      The reason the democrats are silent is because congress and the president are busy giving them things they’ve always wanted: Free money for everybody, expanded welfare programs (only temporary…yeah right), expanded school lunch programs (even though the schools are closed), and massive spending bills that nobody has ever read.

    A positive of this is I am seeing so many more families with children outside in their yards playing, or walking/riding bikes around the block. That’s a beautiful thing, and I hope that part will stick.

    hrhdhd in reply to oldgoat36. | March 20, 2020 at 5:36 pm

    My husband’s road construction job is still open, and they are able to shut lanes down earlier and keep them closed later because of the lighter traffic. He’s happy. I’m not–the malls are closed.

    notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital in reply to oldgoat36. | March 20, 2020 at 6:36 pm

    TOUCHE!!!!!

    RE: “Most I talk to think its insane.

    All commenting on the numbers not matching up to the hype,

    and a growing distrust in the media and government…..”

    randian in reply to oldgoat36. | March 20, 2020 at 9:23 pm

    All commenting on the numbers not matching up to the hype, and a growing distrust in the media and government

    If they distrust the government, who will be the subject of their distrust, at the Federal level? Donald Trump. Fortunately he has the media lying about him at every turn.

    Citizens in CA, IL, and NY (i.e. Democrats) won’t care how much their government abuses its power of them, not enough to get rid of their governor or meaningfully change the composition of their legislatures.

I work in a grocery store and things are looking a bit better than they have since this whole thing started. Yesterday the fresh departments had been stocked pretty well before we opened to the daily rush of people waiting outside to get in. It’s been pretty funny initially when I went to the local town hall to register my car and the clerk was wearing gloves ect. waiting on one person at a time and me working at the supermarket with hundreds passing through the doors daily.

Personally I don’t feel that we needed to go to this extreme measure . Although the road I live which can be fairly busy at different times of the day has been really quiet. I’m not complaining about that at all.

fda already ok’ed Hydroxychloroquine for use in humans (actually its Hydroxychloroquine + Zithromax that helps here) just have not blessed it for use in THIS situation.
dr hesitant because w/o the fda blessing to use for THIS situation lawsuits may happen.
I expect fda approval asap sinze both meds (even used in conjunction with each other) already ok’ed just for OTHER maladies.

Remember the Panic of 2009 about the H1N1 Swine Flu? Yeah, me neither. But the Lightbringer was President at the time, so there’s that.

California, supposedly America’s bread basket, has ordered a shelter in place for all residents. Who’s going to get the food in their fields to your super market shelves?

    hrhdhd in reply to barmoreg. | March 20, 2020 at 5:37 pm

    People participating in “essential services” are allowed to work.

      Barry in reply to hrhdhd. | March 20, 2020 at 10:01 pm

      Sure, but the people that truck the goods to the stores can’t drive their trucks through the drive through and the restaurants are closed in many places. There will be a huge slow down in delivery.

I will repeat this once again. The COVID-19 scare is all a political scam. It has never happened before, in the history of this country, even though we have dealt with much more serious diseases. We currently have over 5 million cases of influenza in this country, this year and over 20,000 deaths and no one called for any quarantines, let alone the draconian measures imposed upon the populous for this corona virus. last year we had 45,000 flu deaths and all we heard were crickets. So, what is the big difference with COVID, as far as the US is concerned?

So, we might save a few thousand people. But, at what cost? we already have at least 250,000 people out of work, as a result of the stupid measures placed upon the restaurant, bar and entertainment industry. And, that number is growing. We can expect to see many times that number of unemployed as more businesses shut down. Then we have the increasing threat of civil unrest, especially in the cities. You have jurisdictions releasing dangerous prisoners whoelsale and refusing to allow police to enforce criminal laws while declaring gun shops as being unnecessary businesses and closing them down.

The media and political classes are destroying this country, either willfully or through gross incompetence. Look for the tipping point no later than the first week in May and possibly sooner. Every single day, the COVID virus begins to look less and less dangerous. And, more and more average Americans are scratching their heads and saying WTF? When their money runs out then the blow back will begin in earnest. And possibly sooner if crime spikes.

If we do this right, we will know who is sick, who is not sick, and who is iffy in about 10 days.

    Mac45 in reply to Valerie. | March 20, 2020 at 5:47 pm

    Wrong. There are 9mmillion people in NYC a;one. There is no way that many people can be tested in 10 days. Then, there is the problem of community spread. You would have to quarantine every person entering the city for 4+ days then test them. As you can see, this is impossible to achieve. When you expand this to all 340 MILLION people in the country, you see that this is less likely to be achieved even after months. And, then the problems of community spread come into play again. There is no way to eliminate COVID-19. Just like influenza type A, Swine flu, Bird flue, SARS, MERS, measles, mumps, whooping cough, etc; COVID-19 is here to stay. Get used to it. And, just as we did not destroy the economy of this country over any of those illnesses, why are we doing it over COVID-19?

At some point after initial crisis they will have to start testing for had COVID-19 in some capacity but recovered (not contagious). This will release those individuals back into the work force and outside life.

I was sick about a month ago with the “flu”. Was I around Chinese people who had been around Chinese people who had been home for the New Year in China – most likely. I was home for over two weeks with this flu. Self quarantined because it was pretty bad. Did I end up with a fever, cough, sore throat, and shortness of breath – yes. Did I have the flu or COVID-19 – I have no idea.

I am currently working from home and not going out because if I just had the regular flu then I do not want to chance getting COVID-19. However if there was a quick drive through test to check if I already have the antibodies – then I have no problem being out, getting stuff for neighbors, and giving blood.

    Mac45 in reply to Sunlight78. | March 20, 2020 at 5:54 pm

    Having had a disease and having antibodies for it does not make you incapable of being a carrier. It does make it unlikely that you will contract the disease, but you can still transport the virus around with you. Another think to think about is the high capacity of corona viruses to spontaneously mutate in the wild. Flu and corona virus antibodies are very, very strain specific.

“Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;”

Our presents, our turned Gods becentered don’t hear,
No more centered Novel, no more tightening gyre,
It’s center a’gleamed with a more frightened fire?

A spiral descending, does graveness love fire?
To spir’ling ascent, does God-ness aspire?
In Graveness and gyring my God does not gyre.

Shoot.

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