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Who will be the first to flip in spygate criminal investigation?

Who will be the first to flip in spygate criminal investigation?

Wait. With John Durham leading the investigation, maybe the question should be: Who was the first to flip? Because it may already have happened.

It was clear after the release of the Mueller Report that Attorney General William Barr was determined to get to the bottom of the spying on Trump and his campaign.

Because of that expressed determination, Barr became a public enemy. On May 2, 2019, I wrote, Bill Barr is going to expose Spygate, and the Democrat-Media Russia Collusion Complex is panicking:

It was Barr’s comments about spying on the Trump campaign, and his pledge to investigate that spying, that explains the frenzy to take down Barr. That spying, regardless of whether lawful, has the potential to be a scandal that could touch deep into the Obama administration, and some former officials who loom large in the anti-Trump resistance.

It also could reach deep into the media, with the involvement of Fusion GPS in feeding Russian-provided, Clinton/DNC paid-for, disinformation to the mainstream journalist community.

So the stakes are huge. The Russian collusion scandal may be a Democrat and media scandal. People may go to jail for that collusion, and if so, they may be the first people to go to jail over Russian collusion involving the 2016 election.

Barr is the single greatest threat to the Democrat-Media Russia Collusion Complex. That’s why Democrats, with help from the mainstream media, will spare no effort to tarnish Barr as a way of discrediting the investigative train that is rolling down the tracks.

When Barr appointed John Durham to handle the investigation, later in May, the finger-pointing among those involved in investigating Trump started, leading to the the pressing question was Who’s going to cut a deal first in Spygate?

The drama between Brennan and Comey is just the surface. The Durham investigation could reach out of the FBI-CIA up through the Obama administration, including then Attorney General Loretta Lynch and the White House itself.

There is the potential for a lot of finger pointing, as Karie Pavlich tweeted:

The Comey vs Brennan vs Clapper vs Lynch vs Obama show is going to be awesome

Since the NY Times reported that the Durham investigation is a criminal investigation, that is the question again.

The stakes are so much higher for those involved. Whoever cuts a deal first could be spared prosecution or prison. So someone is likely to sing, and that someone likely is a mid-level person in the FBI who was disgusted with what happened but close enough to it that the person is at risk.

Rush made that point today:

To me all of this is so obvious that it doesn’t even need an investigation. It’s already been investigated, it’s been learned, but they’ve gotta be able to prove it in court if they want to go there. They’ve got to get testimony. When they impanel this grand jury, folks, I’m telling you, that’s when people start flipping, that’s when people start asking themselves, “Do I want to go to jail for John Brennan? Do I want to go to jail for Obama? Do I want to spend some time in jail for Clapper or Comey?”

This is when these questions start getting asked of people. You know, their loyalty will be tested. And we don’t know how that’s gonna go. But all it’s gonna take is one person to flip. And even if that person eventuates, surfaces, if there is a successful effort to make one of them flip, I can’t predict. I just think everybody is involved in this, even some people in the Trump White House are involved in it. It just depends on how far they want to dig up and go and how far they think they need to go to prove what this was.

Durham leading the charge should strike fear in the heart of the deep state:

So I’ll repeat the question

Who will be the first to flip?

Wait. Maybe the question should be:

Who was the first to flip? Because it may already have happened.


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There is some chatter Former FBI general counsel James Baker has reportedly ‘flipped’. Time will tell.

Hang them all…

Let God sort them out

Get ready for a rash of random and completely unrelated suicides and unfortunate muggings gone wrong.

    nemesis443 in reply to Gremlin1974. | October 26, 2019 at 2:32 am

    Not likely, the Clintons are not directly implicated…

      oldgoat36 in reply to nemesis443. | October 26, 2019 at 6:27 am

      I wouldn’t be so sure. Crowdstrike is something that was mentioned, opening the DNC server, Hillary paid a foreign agent to get the dossier which was the ground line basis for the spying on the Trump campaign, she had a top person in her organization in Ukraine. Ukraine is high up in the whole original Mueller investigation, and she was involved there.
      The whole thing was motivated by Hillary somehow losing a rigged election exposing the corruption which caused panic in ring. Her coronation was going to keep it hidden. It may not be quite so direct as she always has shields herself through lackys who could have a tough time placing it on her. The DNC server “hack” had Seth Rich end up dead from a robbery gone bad where nothing was stolen, and it’s still unsolved.

      Gremlin1974 in reply to nemesis443. | October 26, 2019 at 10:11 am

      “are not directly implicated”…yet. Also, they still have coins in the pot. It is not unusual for others to be implicated when the stool pigeons start to sing.

        notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital in reply to Gremlin1974. | October 26, 2019 at 3:25 pm

        Yes, just now happened in fact!

        James Clapper: “It’s frankly disconcerting to be investigated for having done… what we were told to do by the president of the United States.”

    jlronning in reply to Gremlin1974. | October 26, 2019 at 12:20 pm

    I was going to post the same thing – beat me to it!

    notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital in reply to Gremlin1974. | October 26, 2019 at 3:23 pm

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I think Lisa Page and James Baker have flipped. Among the big players, I think Comey and Mueller have secretly flipped. Notice Comey’s name was mentioned among the people Durham wants to interview. I think Mueller realized months ago that the Russia collusion story was dirty and that he was a patsy.

    Patsy? No way. He was a participant.

      stablesort in reply to pfg. | October 26, 2019 at 12:04 am

      Mueller wasn’t a participant, Rosenstein just ‘borrowed’ his reputation for a while.

        oldgoat36 in reply to stablesort. | October 26, 2019 at 6:34 am

        Mueller was the one to sign off on Uranium One. The pay offs from that deal are a big thread which ties a lot of these characters together. He knew about the “speaking fees” to Bubba, about the “donation” to the Clinton Criminal Foundation, either of which would have triggered automatic stoppage of that deal. Herr Mueller was placed as the Special Counsel because he was tied up in it somehow, and it was his choice to bring in all the Democrat leftists to help him.
        Mueller has dirt on him, Rosenstein was the one to do backdated changes to the scope of Mueller’s investigation. Herr Mueller was over Rosenstein in the ring.

    oldgoat36 in reply to Ironman. | October 26, 2019 at 1:30 am

    I just don’t see Comey overcoming his narcissism to flip. He thinks he was doing a higher honor with his sedition.

    persecutor in reply to Ironman. | October 26, 2019 at 11:54 am

    My bet is that Rosenstein, Page, and Bruce (with 2 you get egg roll) Ohr are the trifecta for the title of Stool Pigeon.
    Rosenstein was NOT allowed to resign until after the Mueller report despite the fact that we knew that he was up to his eyeballs in involvement; Page because she’s a mother and would want to maximize the potential of not having to wear orange for 5 or 10 years and be away from her little ones, and Ohr because despite the demotions, he’s still at Main Justice and he’ll want to protect wifey from exposure (she brings Fusion GPS’ involvement squarely into focus and she will have to cooperate to keep Bruce’s ass out of the sling any further than it’s already in.

    Conan in reply to Ironman. | October 26, 2019 at 1:45 pm

    My money is that Rosenstein has flipped. He mysteriously started to cooperate and was kept around after Barr was appointed to even sign off that there was no Obstruction of Justice found in the Mueller report.

    Rosenstein was told he could cooperate or go down with the rest of is my bet and everyone has forgotten about him but he was a central figure.

McCabe suddenly just dropped his wrongful termination lawsuit against the DOJ. Coincidence? I think not!

An operating principle for the leftist media is NSS = Never Stop Spinning for Democrats.

Refusing to call the Barr-Durham investigation of the attempt to deprive Trump of his civil rights, the MSM is calling this “Trump’s revenge.”

These people are despicable.

The most optimistic interpretation of Barr’s activities is that he thinks he can defeat our enemies’ strategy.

Their goal is to destroy the United States socially, legally, and morally. Their strategy is almost foolproof: If we don’t fight them, then our country is destroyed directly by them; if we do fight them, then our country is destroyed indirectly by the conflict. I’d like to believe that Barr is aware of that two-pronged trap and is working to avoid it.

The traitors have been using the law to destroy the law. If Barr can bring them to justice through normal legal processes, then he will both stop their attack and avoid violent conflict — or mostly avoid it, since America’s enemies won’t go down without a fight; it’s their only admirable quality.

    Subotai Bahadur in reply to Dantzig93101. | October 26, 2019 at 12:14 am

    I agree that the only way to avoid the violent destruction of the country and the installation of an openly totalitarian state will be to defeat them by the law and then crushing their kinetic resistance. However, there has been bloody little law deployed against those who are trying to destroy our country. Little enough to make an observer insist on seeing some before believing that any such thing is happening.

    Show me the arrests and perp walks. If not, assume that the only alternative to submission is the fighting you mention.

    Subotai Bahadur

    CKYoung in reply to Dantzig93101. | October 26, 2019 at 1:45 am

    PJDT should make bho an offer he should not refuse. bho will be required to go on live TV, lay out the five W’s of Spygate, admit his guilt in it and apologize to the American people. He’ll announce his departure from public life and give up all ill gotten gains. He’ll lay out chapter and verse of government corruption over the last several decades. This will give the democrats their ‘Say it ain’t so, Joe!’ moment. Pull them through the looking glass so they can come back into the fold of American life, rather than destroy themselves against the shoals of hate and anger. He needs to directly call out soros, globalism, antifa, black bloc, blm and the like. Tell these factions and groups they are wrong, and will be on the wrong side of history if the do not stand down. His demeanor will have to be be humble and contrite. In exchange, he receives a full Presidential pardon.

      Obie1 in reply to CKYoung. | October 26, 2019 at 6:36 am

      Don’t be silly–that’s a quid pro quo. And as we all know, like profiling, quid pro quo is wrong. (Yet any sane person engages in both every day.)

      oldgoat36 in reply to CKYoung. | October 26, 2019 at 6:37 am

      Obama, the classic narcissist, would never take a deal like that. He would go scorched earth policy over ever admitting anything, it is always someone else’s fault with him. He just finds out by reading things in the papers or seeing a report from his favorite propaganda networks.

      Shadow5 in reply to CKYoung. | October 26, 2019 at 9:55 am

      And in what alternative universe do you foresee that happening? No, BHO is too convinced of his status as a minor deity to ever believe that he is vulnerable to prosecution.

        Conservative Beaner in reply to Shadow5. | October 26, 2019 at 8:21 pm

        Maybe that’s true. If the DOJ goes after Obozo the race card will be played big time and Trump may lose the Black vote he needs to be re-elected.

      I believe I understand where you’re coming from, CK. The heart given over to godliness yearns to forgive and be forgiven, for healing and reconciliation. Scripture speaks of a Tree of Life, the leaves of which are for the healing of the nations. Where I struggle is, that’s in Heaven whereas we haven’t passed through judgement and not everyone here chooses to live according to godliness.

      It would be hard to fathom a pardon for all that Obama and crew have done, while sending celebrities to prison for buying their kids into choice colleges, ordinary people for robbery, simple assault, unpaid fines, etc. If Obama were pardoned, wouldn’t every lower level conspirator have to be let off with a plea of “he made me do it?” For future generations and the ongoing resistance, don’t they have to do time? Perhaps the deal out to be “you are spared the death sentence but you will still do time”. Likewise, all the rest of them.

George Soros, the domestic and international terrorist, is up to his eyeballs in trying to overturn an election. Make it so he is so heavily fined that he becomes broke and rotting in jail.

    Dantzig93101 in reply to Demoncrats. | October 26, 2019 at 1:01 am

    I don’t know why Mr. Soros and his organization are still at liberty and causing mayhem around the world. They’ve done more damage to America than Osama bin Laden ever dreamed of doing.

I think Lisa Page flipping would be a “John Dean” moment of Spygate because she was intimately involved in a lot of stuff.

I also think Bruce Ohr and Nellie Ohr might have flipped. They don’t want to go to jail.

I also think Clapper will flip to save his own skin. He’s already taken potshots at Brenann and even Obama when he said, “With respect to the Russian meddling, if it weren’t for President Obama, we might not have done the intelligence community assessment that we did that set off a whole sequence of events which are still unfolding today, notably Special Counsel Mueller’s investigation. President Obama is responsible for that and it was he who tasked us to do that intelligence community assessment in the first place. I think that’s an important point when it comes to critiquing President Obama.”

That sounds like someone who just sent a former President a message.

    CKYoung in reply to TheOldZombie. | October 26, 2019 at 1:55 am

    Great assessment.

    You have described the war of nerves. They all know by now that all it takes is one to flip and they are all going down. If they believe that Page or someone at her level has already flipped, those higher up now fear losing any leverage they may now have to cut a deal to save their own skins.

    They may see themselves as patriots but suffer from seeing most everyone else as rats. They only have to be right once about who is a rat and it’s all over. Once the grand jury is assembled and subpoenaes are issued, it will probably be too late for most of them. They can’t all take the fifth or plead Alzheimer’s.

    Clapper was stammering all over the place on TV the other night, and his voice had the kind of tremors in it that only desperate fear can cause. I listened to him on Breitbart’s podcast so no video and his fear was palpable.

Haha wouldn’t it be fun if Hillary had been the 1st to flip? After all, she knows how the game is played and was said to have admitted they would all hang if Trump was elected. Why should she rot in jail due to Obama’s incompetence? If they had not failed her and she had won, then this would not be an issue. I can see her pushing her way to the front of the line..

    CKYoung in reply to elle. | October 26, 2019 at 2:01 am

    hillary thought she had trapped bho by getting him to email her on her private server. Those emails were immediately forwarded to hostile nations. This way she could call in a marker or drag him down with her if he didn’t back her 100%. Except she got caught and they had to scramble to save all their skins.

I think Rosenstiein flipped. I think it part of why he was allowed to resign and his face at the press conference looked like someone ill at ease. I can also see Page as a potential flipper. Others will come but those two in particular seem to be made of weaker stuff.

Comey wouldn’t. He is too narcissistic and thinks he had a higher calling for his sedition.

Brennan might not be allowed to get off free unless he gives up higher in the food chain.

Hillary won’t remember anything, though Huma might be a possible. Huma got burned already and she had to be why the Hillary Emails were on her husband’s laptop. Though she might fear being suicidal.

Rice is another who is dangling out there with little protection and already implicated.

I can see Brennan, Comey and McCabe pointing fingers at each other once it’s already rolling and too late to cut a great deal.

Of course this is if any of the higher up people are even targeted for this attempted coup. Mueller might not even know what year it is and think he is still working the investigation.

Robert Barr? And you wonder why people don’t believe the media knows what the hell they’re talking about

American Human | October 26, 2019 at 6:17 am

I’m still not convinced anyone will really be held accountable. What if there is a hot smoking gun pointed by none other than Obama himself? Does anyone think that he will ultimately be sitting in a defendant’s chair or that any jury anywhere will find him guilty regardless of the evidence.
Just try to remember the last time a celebrity was convicted in a trial and sent to prison.

    oldgoat36 in reply to American Human. | October 26, 2019 at 6:43 am

    I don’t think Obama himself would have his crown knocked off, but there are plenty around him that could fall in his stead. He has layers between him and will become the clueless, blameless one, who only heard the report and was as shocked as everyone else… It would leave him be, but it wouldn’t take a room temperature IQ to know his fingerprints were on it. Legacy would be as poor as his presidency, but the propaganda wing would still cover for him and lie about how wonderful he remains.

      MarkS in reply to oldgoat36. | October 26, 2019 at 6:54 am

      I don’t think that anyone will have their crown knocked off as Barr, thus far, has been reluctant to prosecute any of his former colleagues, even those with IG criminal referrals. I’m also of the opinion that the DOJ/FBI did not only get corrupt under Obama, and I wouldn’t be surprised that those who should be prosecuted have enough dirt on Barr to send him to jail

    DaveGinOly in reply to American Human. | October 26, 2019 at 9:13 pm

    America’s dad, Bill Cosby. (Talking real crime here, not the current kerfuffle over payola to get kids into certain universities.) The point is, it does happen. People (jurors) can be resentful that a father-figure/inspiration/leader has let them down.

I think ‘Spygate’ will soon evolve into ‘Obamagate’.

Another good sign:

Dems are demanding Barr recuse himself but won’t specify why beyond stating “the appearance of conflict of interest”? Isn’t this how AG Sessions surrendered his office to Rosenstein in the first place? Dems are full panic. Tells me Barr is clean.

    AG Barr may not be “clean” in the sense that he has never done anything I find swampy. But I doubt he’s guilty of breaking any laws other than perhaps speeding.

The commie party is in full out panic mode.

Three years of the entire resource base of the federal government has been used to try and take Trump out.

The federal government has spent tens of millions to take Trump out.

The federal government has used highly illegal means to try and take Trump out.

The democrat party has participated in this attempted coup.

They will do anything to save their selves, including murder, treason, and sedition.

We are lucky to have a few individuals of such skill, persistence, and backbone to stand up to the entire corrupt cabal of criminal conspirators inside our own government.

Here’s a very interesting rundown that captures just about everyone in the Adam Schiff Family:

Connects all of the big dots in the big conspiracy.

We’re having an interesting conversation elsewhere about who the weakest link is who will cave and bring down the entire coup structure. I think it’s Clapper. He already tried to point at an obama order being the initiating factor but the MSM wouldn’t acknowledge his admission. Others think it’s going to be Lisa Page because she’s at the core of it with Strzok, not a millionaire and has the most to lose based on how badly it would go for her compared to the richer ones who can buy more powerful lawyers.

Gnanny12345GGK | October 26, 2019 at 11:18 am

Rob R., and Stroyk will flip. Rosenstein doesn’t remind of the type to cover for anyone. I think the whole top guys in every office should be indicted and/or fired. The non electeds have destroyed all the bureaucracies cesspools. It is clear there are people at lower levels who are involved. Fire them…clean house!

the big fish here are the clintons–agree the Great Reneger will never admit any wrongdoing(actually believes he’s some sort of demi-god)but he is the only one who can put the clintons in jail for sure–would not be surprised, given the stakes and the well-known enmity of the clintons, if he(and the mooch as well)experience some sort of vince foster incident

PersonofInterests | October 26, 2019 at 1:38 pm

Who will be the first to flip?

I’ve got a buck on James Clapper. If you look carefully at his big fat head, you can see so very faintly the tattoo that reads, “Born To Snitch.”

notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital | October 26, 2019 at 3:40 pm

Maybe someone flippin’ connect to this treasonous crime?

FBI Entrapped Flynn With Manipulated Evidence As Clapper Allegedly Issued ‘Kill Shot’ Order: Court Docs

Is it just me, or does anyone else see the absolutely delicious irony of all our talk in this thread about these despicable traitors “flipping” after having to listen to the Democrat/DNC media telling us every single day for the last two years that Mueller was going to get a multitude of Trump associates to “flip” on the President?

OMG, my schadenfreude is having schadenfreude. Let our Attorney General have the courage and wisdom to complete his task to identify, try and convict those traitors who were involved in this coup to remove a duly elected president of the United States.

Can Comey be charged with obstruction of justice? He lied when he stated that Hillary couldn’t be prosecuted because she had no criminal intent and the law clearly states that criminal intent isn’t required for prosecution? Yet he really didn’t have the authority to decide whether Lying Crooked Hillary would be prosecuted.

Come’on…They’re Democrats, the game is already afoot..

The Joint Defense Agreements have already been signed and all the attorney retainers paid by “a benevolent 3rd party who desires to remain anonymous…snicker, snicker” so that everyone under the umbrella of the investigation is already cooperating in a common defense strategy (e.g., keep all the big players out of trouble, burn the little players at the stake).

The way the bribery scheme works is that all of their legal bills will be paid as long as they remain in the Joint Defense Agreement, to include, reporting to the Central Committee every time they speak to the investigators/prosecutors.

Should they fail to report, or move to drop-out of the Agreement, they will collapse under the weight of all the suddenly unpaid legal bills they have accrued, without an attorney to work with them in negotiating their cooperation agreement.