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Happiness: Red Meat Turns Out to be Healthier Than “Settled Science” Suggested

Happiness: Red Meat Turns Out to be Healthier Than “Settled Science” Suggested

Meanwhile, experts claim vegan diets stunt brain development and hurt athletic performance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbpIYAnt-7k

I have often noted that Food Science is clearly the most unsettled science of them all.

Experts have lectured us for years about the need to reduce red and processed meat from our diets. But a new report indicates that they based their advice on bad science.

If there are health benefits from eating less beef and pork, they are small, the researchers concluded. Indeed, the advantages are so faint that they can be discerned only when looking at large populations, the scientists said, and are not sufficient to tell individuals to change their meat-eating habits.

“The certainty of evidence for these risk reductions was low to very low,” said Bradley Johnston, an epidemiologist at Dalhousie University in Canada and leader of the group publishing the new research in the Annals of Internal Medicine.

The new analyses are among the largest such evaluations ever attempted and may influence future dietary recommendations. In many ways, they raise uncomfortable questions about dietary advice and nutritional research, and what sort of standards these studies should be held to.

The article published in the Annals of Internal Medicine by a group of 14 researchers just upended years of nutritional guidance.

Led by Dalhousie University epidemiologist Bradley Johnston, the authors, who hail from seven different countries, focused on the impact of red meat consumption on cancer, cardiovascular disease, and mortality, among other effects, as well as people’s values and preferences regarding red meat.

Based on these studies, their conclusions — summarized in a new Annals clinical guideline — challenge the guidelines from just about every major national and international health group. Just four years ago, the World Health Organization’s International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC) announced that people should cut back on processed meats if they wanted to avoid certain types of cancer. The American Heart Association and the US government’s dietary guidelines panel have also long suggested curbing our meat consumption for better health.

But the authors of the new studies argue that people can “continue their current consumption of both unprocessed red meat and processed meat,” meaning whatever amount they’re currently eating.

Meanwhile, a leading nutritionist has warned an “unintended consequence” of vegan diets is that they could make future generations less intelligent.

Writing in the journal BMJ Nutrition, Prevention & Health, Dr Emma Derbyshire said that while plant-based diets have many benefits, they are low in choline – a dietary nutrient that is critical to brain development.

The nutrient, which can be found in meat, fish, eggs and dairy products, is particularly important for pregnant women because it contributes to the healthy growth of a baby’s brain.

Given the antics of progressives who push vegan diets, I am not surprised there is a correlation between plant-only diets and stupidity.

One of my friends recently went on a vegan diet for six months and gave it up because he was regularly getting sick. The illnesses stopped when I convinced him to go back to meat, over some juicy burgers and craft beer.

Interestingly football star Cam Newton’s recent poor performances are being tied to veganism.

In recent years, Newton was a pescatarian, that is, a person who eats mostly plant foods but includes a lot of fish and seafood to get needed protein and nutrients. Earlier this year, however, Newton went full vegan.

Since then, he’s played terribly, and now he’s injured and sitting on the sidelines. Meanwhile, his backup, Kyle Allen, delivered a stellar performance last week in Newton’s absence, creating an unexpected quarterback controversy in Charlotte.

So, as of now, I am going with the version of “settled science” that confirms I can have my juicy steak.

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My doctor insisted I would never be able to control my type two diabetes with diet and exercise. Said my A1C would never go below seven.

Two months later on a keto diet I no longer needed any medication. I was on four different meds before including two injectables. Well over 100 units of insulin a day.

I’ve now lost over a hundred pounds, A1C is below five and all my blood work including cholesterol is improved.

Fry bread is not my people’s friend no matter how tasty.

    NGAREADER in reply to forksdad. | October 3, 2019 at 10:08 am

    Meanwhile high fructose corn syrup is a big culprit and it’s now in almost everything.
    They don’t mention that much and it’s a major problem.

      drednicolson in reply to NGAREADER. | October 3, 2019 at 10:36 am

      That’s a consequence of the Fat Wars. Low fat foods are bland so companies put flavor back in with added sugars. HFCS is ideal for this because it also mimics some of the lubricating qualities of fats.

        American Human in reply to drednicolson. | October 3, 2019 at 11:02 am

        The use of corn syrup in a lot of sweet items e.g. soda etc., in this country is also because of import tariffs and restrictions on the importation of cane sugar. There are a few cane sugar importers who have all the business. They are huge supporters of the senators who continually renew these restrictions.
        Coca Cola company used to use cane sugar and then came the restrictions so they used corn syrup, this changed the taste of their product so they started importing some sugary candies and reprocessed them to get cane sugar to use in their sodas. This was quickly kaboshed by the sugar importers via Congress.
        Walter Williams, long ago, had an article that detailed this plus the problems with the American fatties that really only started after the use of corn syrup was used more generally because sugar was just too darn expensive to use in their product.

          notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital in reply to American Human. | October 3, 2019 at 1:31 pm

          Thanks I didn’t know that.

          I do know from reading that in the 70’s the tariffs on imported fats (such as palm oil, etc.) were really dropped low. That’s the same time period of the fast food burger franchise chains mushrooming growth.

          RE: “…. the problems with the American fatties that really only started after the use of corn syrup was used more generally because sugar was just too darn expensive to use in their product…”

          That’s how you fatten up cattle really fast!

          notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital in reply to American Human. | October 3, 2019 at 1:31 pm

          ….with corn feed that is….

        JusticeDelivered in reply to drednicolson. | October 3, 2019 at 3:53 pm

        When I was young, and had hungry growing children, I purchased a cow and split it with a friend. We hauled the cow to a butcher and they processed it it the way we wanted.

        At that point in life I was doing major remodeling work on a house and clearing land to build my farmstead. Summer and winter I worked very long hours.

        The key is to have food consumption in line with calories burned. That and eat a balanced diet, varied with each type of food in moderation.

        Also, I want to know who funded this study, I am not saying it is wrong, but I do believe following the money is always a good idea.

      healthguyfsu in reply to NGAREADER. | October 3, 2019 at 10:57 am

      HFCS is no worse than sugar.

      They are both awful, but the only added danger from HFCS is people seeing it on the ingredient list and not knowing its sugar (but most people don’t read ingredients anyways and it will still be on the facts panel as added sugar).

      beagleEar in reply to NGAREADER. | October 3, 2019 at 11:17 am

      Corn syrup is of the same general class as cane syrup. High fructose corn syrup is more similar to cane syrup, aka table sugar. They’re not identical (you can taste the difference) but they’re very close. Neither are things to be consumed in mass quantity, they’re also not mysterious poisons.
      I suggest we leave the OMG Monsanto killer frankenfood!!!! to Salon and Huffpoof.

      LookoutABear in reply to NGAREADER. | October 3, 2019 at 12:24 pm

      The evidence suggests regular sugar is just as bad as HFCS. Problem is we eat too much because it’s in almost everything now

    Sanddog in reply to forksdad. | October 3, 2019 at 10:32 am

    I went from an A1C of 5.8 to 4.6 in a 3 month window by dumping sugar, grains, and starches. I’m fairly certain had I not taken the initiative, I’d be a T2 diabetic today.

    RandomCrank in reply to forksdad. | October 3, 2019 at 2:40 pm

    I had never heard of fry bread or its popularity among native Americans until this past May on a trip to southern Utah to see parks and national monuments. I thought, hell, whatever doesn’t kill me will make me stronger so I ordered it. I don’t think I finished it.

Meanwhile, a leading nutritionist has warned an “unintended consequence” of vegan diets is that they could make future generations less intelligent.

Oh, no! Looks like we can expect a surge in the number of Dimocrats.

    Barry in reply to rinardman. | October 3, 2019 at 9:41 am

    The vast majority of vegans are democrats.

    VAST majority.

      The Friendly Grizzly in reply to Barry. | October 3, 2019 at 10:53 am

      The Subaru Forester with. Coexist sticker quotient is higher as well.

        American Human in reply to The Friendly Grizzly. | October 3, 2019 at 11:04 am

        Hey, I have a Subaru Forrester and am about as far from a vegan/democrat/liberal/idiot as you can get!!!!!!!!!!!!
        You take that back.

          AlecRawls in reply to American Human. | October 3, 2019 at 12:07 pm

          But yours doesn’t have a Coexist sticker does it? Mine has a deplorables sticker and a Babylon Bee.

          Trade the vegan machine in on a Suburban and be a real human.

          RandomCrank in reply to American Human. | October 3, 2019 at 2:42 pm

          I have the largest production passenger vehicle, a Ram 3500 crew cab with a long bed, and the second-smallest, a Think City electric car that I bought out of the bankruptcy sale at a 70% discount, purely out of a cut nut’s curiosity.

          I wonder how many other EVs have a National Rifle Association life member decal on the back window. LOL

          The Friendly Grizzly in reply to American Human. | October 3, 2019 at 8:59 pm

          I bet you don’t have a Coexist sticker unless it is the one made up of firearm maker trademarks.

          Full disclosure: if the Subaru Ascent wasn’t plagued with the HUGE center consoles cluttering up virtually everything not a pickup truck, I’d have bought one on the spot.

The lesson?

Never believe anything that has as its genesis government funding.

    notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital in reply to Barry. | October 3, 2019 at 1:35 pm

    ….or industry funding….

    RandomCrank in reply to Barry. | October 3, 2019 at 2:45 pm

    There are exceptions. The dams on the Columbia River system were built by the FDR and Eisenhower administrations, and are still owned and operated by the federal government. Complaints about the Bonneville Power Administration notwithstanding, those dams are a resounding success story and — kill me now — a testament to socialism in small doses.

The human species evolved to climb to the top of the food chain by being the best predator on earth. We are carnivores who thrive on a diet centered on animal protein. It’s not a religion like vegetarianism or (God help us, veganism) where you have to spend a fortune on dietary supplements to partly make up for animal protein.

It is THE reason why we have a large brain, have bodies designed for running and have aggressive natures. We wouldn’t be the most intelligent creatures on earth had we evolved by chasing down kale.

    Halcyon Daze in reply to Pasadena Phil. | October 3, 2019 at 9:52 am

    So I built this kale trap for nothing?

    healthguyfsu in reply to Pasadena Phil. | October 3, 2019 at 10:59 am

    This is true…look at the brain-gut relationship between herbivores and carnivores.

    Carnivores tend to have larger brains and smaller GI tracts. Herbivores need more gut to digest and that has stunted their brain development.

    None of that will change the human brain condition as our evolution is in stasis, but it does show you what diet led to a higher intelligence over the eons.

      Close The Fed in reply to healthguyfsu. | October 3, 2019 at 2:55 pm

      Healthy Guy, I don’t think our evolution is in stasis. Americans are taller and heavier than we used to be. The Japanese a while back had to get larger school desks for their kids…. I guess eating something besides rice will do that to you.

      Also with all the electronic gadgets, I’m sure our brains are changing in some way.

        healthguyfsu in reply to Close The Fed. | October 3, 2019 at 4:20 pm

        I should have been clearer. Molecular evolution at the genetic level is in stasis.

        Selective mechanisms (aka environment) can still shift the gene pool and there’s always epigenetic factors.

      Firewatch in reply to healthguyfsu. | October 3, 2019 at 5:29 pm

      Is Maxine Waters a vegan?

    drednicolson in reply to Pasadena Phil. | October 3, 2019 at 11:14 am

    Apex predators tend to be lipovores, actually. The fat is the most energy-rich part of the carcass and the easiest to get to. Most of the lean meat and offal is left behind for scavengers to clean up.

    Carbs are “quick and dirty” energy and goes in and goes out quickly (sugar rush/sugar crash). I’ve seen old coyotes who can no longer chase down prey eat fallen fruit from my front yard’s pear trees, so even animals we generally think of as carnivores can get some nutritional use from carbs.

    Human digestion is optimized for fats. It’s also pretty good with proteins. It handles carbs poorly, however, though better than most carnis in the animal kingdom.

    Insulin, in addition to being the hormone that metabolizes glucose (all carbohydrates ultimately break down to glucose), is also a hormone that promotes creation of fat deposits. More incoming carbs –> more insulin –> more fat storage, because it must be lean times ahead if the only energy you can get is the quick-and-dirty kind.

    The dirtiest part of quick-and-dirty glucose is the inflammation that results as it moves along the bloodstream. Micro-cellular holes form in the blood vessel walls over time. The body uses cholesterol and fat to repair these holes. Elevated blood glucose levels accelerate this process, ultimately leading to the arteriosclerosis and plaque obstructions common to heart disease, along with the poor circulation and neuropathy common to diabetes.

    alaskabob in reply to Pasadena Phil. | October 3, 2019 at 12:35 pm

    or…”I didn’t claw my way up the food chain to eat vegetables.”

related

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/records-found-in-dusty-basement-undermine-decades-of-dietary-advice/

Ramsden, of the National Institutes of Health, unearthed raw data from a 40-year-old study, which challenges the dogma that eating vegetable fats instead of animal fats is good for the heart. The study, the largest gold-standard experiment testing that idea, found the opposite, Ramsden and his colleagues reported on Tuesday in BMJ (formerly the British Medical Journal).

    Valerie in reply to dmacleo. | October 3, 2019 at 5:51 pm

    The study may not have looked at the melting point of the fats.

    Crisco is all-vegetable, but a study of a family with heart disease showed a correlation with the introduction of that fat with a high melting temperature, in place of lard. Minuscule droplets of fat collected in the tiny capillaries of a while generation of the family, who died younger than either their parents or children.

JackinSilverSpring | October 3, 2019 at 10:09 am

Best line of the OP: “Given the antics of progressives who push vegan diets, I am not surprised there is a correlation between plant-only diets and stupidity.”

American Human | October 3, 2019 at 11:09 am

The photo that accompanies this article shows someone frying a steak. It should be against the law to fry a steak!!
Only two things should be allowed:
1 – grilled
2 – broiled

If God didn’t want us to eat animals, why did he make them out of meat?

The big issue of diet is that our technological evolution has far outstripped our biological evolution. We find sweets highly rewarding because of their inherent energy content, so our brain rewards us as a reminder to put”this” in our diet. But that brain mechanism evolved when our only source was the occasional beehive in winter. But now we are stuck with that biology as huge ADM farms churn out the HFC by the truckload, literally, as I see them driving down NE 28th to the Coca Cola syrup plant every hour, only to return to the UP railyard to load up again. The problem though with HFC is that it packs on the calories without turning off the drive/craving for sweets. That and Safeway/Krogers/et al acting like Halloween is a 5 month long celebration. At least be accurate and label the products as “Type II size” and not “fun size.”

I propose a compromise. Let us all meet in Kansas City at one of their famous BBQ joints, raise a glass of red wine, and rejoice in the diversity of our cultures.

(Please note that in the interest of kindness and love, I did not suggest that the vegetarians be placed outside to graze on the lawn. I’m certain there’s a salad bar in there somewhere.)

I offer this up for discussion because I’m afraid I’m a dying breed.

Red meat is good for you. And me, the dying breed, is/are a hunter.

Making your own meat is good for you. It is good to work hard for your meat. You enjoy it more when you have labored for it. Nothing tastes so good as the backstraps, fillets, of a deer you have hunted for yourself.

Civilization is when you can indulge in non-food producing activities.

Like poetry.

https://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/bilhana/bil01.htm

My rule of thumb since the past few years has been, if it’s a food that humans could have eaten and survived on for millenia before modern food production, then its probably a food our metabolisms are tuned to deal with and reasonably healthy.

If it’s a food enabled by modern food processing, then it is probably going to contain too much sugar, bad carbs, etc and should be consumed in moderation

A few months ago a British couple was arrested for child abuse for feeding their baby a vegan diet. At 20 months of age, the child weighed just 11 pounds. God only know what physical and mental disabilities this poor child will have.
https://metro.co.uk/2019/08/23/vegan-mum-left-baby-severely-malnourished-meat-free-diet-spared-jail-10617559/

depending on your particular body type(mesomorph, ectomorph, endomorph) you’re going to store and burn fat accordingly–come from a family of medicine men/women and they ALL say/said: REGULAR exercise is the single greatest investment you can make in your long-term health–as long as you exercise, you can do/eat/drink pretty much whatever the hell you like and enjoy your life–have found that advice to be absolutely true

that said, there are certainly some habits that can/will negate that benefit–alcohol, nicotine, sugar, jumping out of airplanes, driving wheeled vehicles at high speeds, etc.

have gone through many various exercise regimens and finally(about 15 years ago)took up the best regimen have ever found(was recommended by my physician father, a perennial age-group decathlete national champion/contender)

hiking–with a pack–go every day on about a 1.5 mile circuit carrying 65lbs–about 1/3 my body weight–hiking, unlike running/jogging does not not have all the joint/body impact on ankles,knees,hips,spine that is associated with other running activities–much, much easier on your musculo/skeletal system–the weight you carry increases the cardio benefit dramatically and that is the real secret of the activity–bloodwork for the last 15 years or so has been and remains rock solid and can indeed eat/drink pretty much whatever the hell i want

if these vegan yahoos want to chomp on the shrubs or acorns or various weeds, have at it–will just keep exercising, myself

    RandomCrank in reply to texansamurai. | October 3, 2019 at 1:37 pm

    I have personally dived into that swamp, being susceptible to being 20 to 30 pounds overweight until it becomes intolerable.

    This year is the 100th anniversary of the most important “diet book” ever written, titled “A Biometric Study of Basal Metabolism in Man,” by J. Harris and F. Benedict, working for the Carnegie Foundation in Washington, D.C.

    They set out to determine how many calories someone needs to neither gain nor lose weight, and which factors most accurate predict the calorie horizon. They used multiple regression analysis, which is essentially arithmetic on steroids that determines correlations.

    Regressions are drudgery even now, but in the pre-computer age, well, they deserved a medal for the effort alone. They studied a range of factors, and came up with the following: height, weight, and age, with separate numbers for the two (yeah, two) sexes. Adjustments for people who were ambulatory vs. under bed rest.

    It’s hard to overstate how important that work was. It and some extensions have been used to determine how much to feed people in all kinds of situations. And it’s a truly outstanding tool for anyone contemplating a diet. So here’s the link to learn your calorie budget:

    http://www-users.med.cornell.edu/~spon/picu/calc/beecalc.htm

    Once you know your baseline, you can determine where to go from there. You start with the fact that a pound of fat is 3,500 calories. Everything on a 7-day basis for simplicity’s sake.

    Start with your calorie budget (x) 7. If you exercise 3x a week on those machines in the gym that give calorie readouts, add that to the weekly calorie budget. Divide the whole thing by 7 for a daily budget. Then subtract 750 a day, and if you do the nutrition part right, you’ll lose 1 to 1-1/2 pounds a week.

    On the nutrition side, it’s well known that simple carbohydrates (bleached flour) metabolize to sugar, and that apart from the calories, sugar interferes with the body’s ability to metabolize fat. So you switch to whole grains, and stop drinking alcohol, and lay off the desserts.

    Count every calorie that goes into your mouth. Exercise for at least 45 minutes each session, getting your heart rate to 80% of “maximum,” which is 230 minus your age. (Example: a 50 year old’s maximum heart rate is 180, and [s]he should exercise to the point where the heart rate in 80% of 180 for 45 straight minutes, or 144. There is also “interval training” once you get good at it, and 45 minutes at the same pace is boring.)

    Do the foregoing, and you will lose 1 to 1.5 lbs a week, and ALL of your weight loss will be fat. Why doesn’t everyone know this? Because who’s going to buy a 2-page diet and exercise book?

    One other critical point from the Harris-Benedict research concerns metabolism: It declines in a straight-line function with age. After age 25, you need to each 8 fewer calories each day, at the same activity level, or you’ll start gaining weight.

    That might not sound like a lot, but go out 10 years and it’s 80 calories a day. Over 365 days, that’s 29,200 calories, or 8-1/3 pounds of fat gained if you are eating the same amount that you did 10 years ago. By and large, Americans aren’t getting fat because they’re pigging out. They’re getting fat because they don’t know that they need to eat less as they get older.

    Finally: The Harris-Benedict approach enabled me not only to lose a bunch of weight, but to cut my body fat percentage in half. And I was able to predict within 1 pound how much I’d weigh five months out. So, folks, there’s junk science and there’s real science. I’ve just given you some real science, quantified 100 years ago.

    If this stuff ever became widespread knowledge, NutriSystem and Weight Watchers would probably send a hit squad.

      RandomCrank in reply to RandomCrank. | October 3, 2019 at 1:40 pm

      ^ sorry for the typos

      Thanks!

        RandomCrank in reply to ray. | October 3, 2019 at 2:54 pm

        You’re very welcome. I got a number wrong up there: It’s 220 minus your age for max heart rate, not 230.

        I learned about it when I joined an L.A. Fitness gym. They give you a workout manual, and the Harris-Benedict Equation is in back. Now here’s a good story.

        I’m a numbers nerd, and dove into the deep end of the pool. Researched it online, and determined that the L.A. Fitness version was incorrect. The formula is long and complicated, and someone had switched a sign. If you followed it, you wouldn’t lose as much weight as you expected to.

        I called their corporate HQ. Reached voicemail. Gave my name and number, and said I’d found a flaw in their formula that was worth a half-pound a week. If you’re interested, call me and I’ll go through it with you. I’m a retired financial analyst and not a whackjob, and have constructive intent.

        To my surprise, a couple weeks later I got a return call. I had the person on the other end of the line go onto a computer, and in about 15 minutes showed her the error. I said, look, if you folks care enough to have put that in your book, it really ought to be the right formula. She agreed and thanked me, and said they’d talk about it.

        Within a month, every L.A. Fitness gym in America got a new book with the corrected formula.

      The Friendly Grizzly in reply to RandomCrank. | October 3, 2019 at 9:25 pm

      I just copied that entire message and emailed it to myself. I’m traveling so printers are not readily available. Great information! I’m a bear and always will be. But, I don’t need to look like I’ve prepared for hibernation season.

        All any of that does is give you as close to a rock-solid schematic as rock-solid can get in the world of nutrition and exercise. The rubber hits the road in the implementation. It’s an exercise in self-discipline, and if you can get there it WILL work.

        Additional help: You WILL lapse. I would actually plan my binges: WASA crackers, grapefruit (the acid burns fat), and air-popped popcorn. Then I’d pick myself up, dust myself off, and get back in the game.

    “alcohol, nicotine, sugar, jumping out of airplanes, driving wheeled vehicles at high speeds, etc.”

    Man, I’m in trouble…

    Yet, here I am, 66, and in fine shape. I do miss the nicotine. I still fly occasionally, but no jumping out lately. And I still race cars. But no more rock climbing. A man must know his limits.

I was on the “heart healthy” extremely low fat, high carb diet for about 15 years, because my ex’s father had heart disease. After I reached a certain age, it became harder and harder to keep my weight down. Then I hit a period of high stress, and developed early adrenal fatigue and very low body weight. It also wrecked my skin early.

As I recovered, the weight piled on and on. THEN I got prescribed more fat for my mood.

That worked, and worked well. But my weight zoomed up further. I found the keto diet, because I knew I had to accommodate the fat.

On lazy keto, my weight stays easily stable. If I pay attention by being sure to add vegetables and measure my portions, my weight drops.

I have high cholesterol, mostly due to a big dose of the good stuff plus quite normal bad stuff. This has been constant throughout the weight gain and loss.

I loves me some salt, and I seem to have a fairly large need for other electrolytes, too.

If I add back carbs, I see cravings for sweets return, along with weight gain. Every. Damn. Time.

So, conventional medical advice on my diet has been wrong, all my life. I don’t need anything like their recommendation for carbs, and I must have my salt.

    RandomCrank in reply to Valerie. | October 4, 2019 at 1:36 pm

    A good way to reduce cholesterol is by eating more fiber. One good source of fiber is psyllium, the active ingredient in Metamucil. You can buy it much cheaper, in bulk, on the Internet. I usually eat enough fiber, but when I’m traveling I’ll bring psyllium capsules along, because road food often lacks adequate fiber.

    Another good source is to get a juicer and grind up carrots and oranges or apples, with a bit of ginger root. Juicers don’t remove the fiber. If you increase your fiber intake, there’s a pretty good chance that your cholesterol readings will get better.

When I allow myself to be sucked into what passes for any debate with someone who calls the anthropogenic global warming hypothesis “settled science,” I will mention three scientific consensus views that have been toppled in recent decades.

The first example is the dietary fat canard, which got going in the 1950s and remains with us today. This is a harmful one, because dietary fat is typically replaced by carbohydrates, which metabolize into sugar. And we wonder why diabetes has spiked?

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-questionable-link-between-saturated-fat-and-heart-disease-1399070926?tesla=y

My second example concerns “rogue waves,” the towering beasts of the open ocean. The oceanographic consensus was once that waves higher than about 65 feet were so rare as to be almost impossible. This contradicted centuries of observations by mariners, whose accounts were dismissed as sea stories.

That consensus fell after the 1990s, when reports that the “scientists” could no longer ignore emerged. My personal favorite along those lines was in mid-decade. I was living in Boston when the QE2 put in for emergency repairs after it hit a wave on the Atlantic Ocean in the fall. The captain said the wave was level with the bridge, which was 96 feet above the waterline.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rogue_wave#History_of_rogue_wave_knowledge

My third example is actually my favorite, maybe for its obscurity but also for what it shows about the politics of science in the modern world. In the 1920s, J. Harlan Bretz, a geologist from the University of Chicago, theorized that the “scablands” of Eastern Washington were not formed over millions of years, as the “uniformitarian” consensus held, but were created by a series of catastrophic floods as the last Ice Age ended.

The story of how Bretz was ignored, ridiculed, and then vindicated should be required reading for anyone who thinks the “science” behind human-caused global warming is beyond questioning. The link below is interesting, entertaining, and highly insightful.

http://www.detectingdesign.com/harlenbretz.html

Add the “theory” of continental drift (now, mainstream science) to the list of “articles of received scientific knowledge” that have been toppled. Alfred Wagener was ridiculed and essentially shunned at the time he proposed his idea.

Aside: I very much appreciate your comments to the discussion.

“vegan diets stunt brain development and hurt athletic performance.”

Best Evidence of this is Corey “Spartacus” Booker.

Baconpalooza. No matter what kind of bs your belief system is about diet, you’re going to die anyway.
So eat bacon. You might lose a year of life, but if it’s in your late 70’s on up it might be a blessing as the aches and pains continue unabated.

I don’t do bacon when I’m BBQing for my Jewish friends.

And believe it or not, I do have Jewish friends.

So I serve the https://www.manischewitzwine.com/.

This is not good wine. I know good wine. This is not it.

But after six months at sea all the wine needs to do is work.

When I’m not entertaining my Jewish friends I am so into bacon. And pork. When I kill wild hogs I turn them into Italian sausage.

https://bacontoday.com/2009/03/02/bacon-wrapped-bacon-wrapped-bacon-bwbwb-the-challenge/

I hope I don’t offend my bacon challenged friends.

Sorry for the multiple posts.

Have I mentioned I like bacon?

This is all kinds of not kosher.

https://pinchandswirl.com/bacon-wrapped-scallops/

https://people.com/pets/two-bears-brawl-in-the-middle-of-a-highway-canada/

I happen to know a thing or two about bears.

Maybe it looks violent. But they were just talking.

I hunted Sitka Blacktail deer on Uganik island. Whicb is a satellite island to Kodiak. You have to wonder about the size of the bear that can destroy another bear that scales nearly a thousand pounds.

That was our best estimate. Based on the scattered parts.

You have to wonder about the size of the bear that can destroy another bear that scales nearly a thousand pounds.
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my uncle took me brown bear(not kodiak) hunting when was a teenager–told me to bring the biggest gun that could shoot ACCURATELY–had a .375 and a .458 at the time and thought could surely bring down an alaskan brownie with a .375–lord
the damned things take a lot of killing and,being apex predators in their home environment, they damn sure aren’t afraid of humans–definitely the most dangerous thing on four legs have ever hunted–alaska, though, is simply breathtaking

Texansamurai, when I went elephant hunting in Zimbabwe a decade back I used a CZ55O in .416 Rigby. Because stopping rifles start at forty caliber and four hundred grains.

https://www.sportsmansguide.com/product/index/cz-usa-550-american-safari-magnum-bolt-action-416-rigby-25-barrel-51-rounds?a=1805453&utm_source=Bing&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=Bing+DSA&utm_term=sportsmansguide&msclkid=9c1cda8c8e5716fe2d7387149a08b6c1

But using that much on a regular basis will eventually rattle your retinas loose.

There used to be a saying in India, back when you could hunt in India, that if you go out hunting rabbits be prepared for tigers.

What I learned hunting in Alaska if that if you stay out of the bear’s way the bear will not generally give you any problems. They will take your deer away from you if they find out about. Just go kill another deer.

http://www.adfg.alaska.gov/index.cfm?adfg=livingwithbears.conflicts

My deer rifle when I hunt Alaska is a .338 Winchester Magnum. Just in case. Because Bears are very much like people. Some bears don’t have nice personalities. Often it’s because some fool with a firearm harmed them.

“…If you have to shoot a bear, be sure you shoot to kill – wounded bears are potentially more dangerous than healthy bears. Also be very careful of what lies beyond your intended target – stray bullets can travel over a mile and still be deadly.”

Bears are really OK. I used to be a lot more afraid of moose.
what I used to be more afraid than wild animals were the criminal I’d run across in the Cleveland National Forest when I was stationed in Sandy Eggo, down by the border with Mexico.

https://www.bing.com/maps?q=cleveland+national+forest+souther+california%5C&form=EDNTHT&mkt=en-us&httpsmsn=1&plvar=0&refig=71a53f40d2bd4938f6cce78cca119008&sp=-1&ghc=1&pq=cleveland+national+forest+souther+california%5C&sc=0-45&qs=n&sk=&cvid=71a53f40d2bd4938f6cce78cca119008

It’s why my deer rifle was an M1A.

https://palmettostatearmory.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/m/a/ma9102_1200x3061.png

The nice thing was the local, state, and federal law enforcement types weren’t too strict about the law. Because while it was legal for me to hunt with an M1A. Technically it was illegal for me to possess anything more than a five round magazine;

have always liked zeiss–still have a starlight scope(the improved, somewhat lighter version) along with a few others

when owned an AK used to take that out in the brush with me but now take a guide gun 45/70 with some rather potent handloads–not a lot of range beyond 100 metres but up close one helluva punch

if ever go bear hunting again will definitely go with open sights–have always shot with both eyes open using pistols/shotguns, etc. so don’t have to shift gears for depth perception/tracking necessary with a scoped weapon

regards the bear–he sustained two upper body hits from my .375–missed with the second shot as he was charging–then four from my .45 at about 30 metres(as he rushed us) before my uncle decided to ” get involved “–my uncle was carrying some brit .505 double-a percy,pearson,preston,whatever–took both barrels from him to stop the mother–let me tell you, was fvcking wide awake by then–had my uncle not been along, would have been down to the three rounds remaining in my .45 and the kbar in my left hand

was definitely a hair-raising experience

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