MSNBC Guest Says Trump Presidency Could Lead to Civil War
“He’s testing the democracy. He’s shredding the Constitution.”
A senior adviser for MoveOn.org named Karine Jean-Pierre warned that President Donald Trump’s presidency could lead to a civil war during an appearance on MSNBC’s Morning Joe on Monday.
Is this an example of the incitement of violence the left loves to lecture about to the public?
This is something to which many people have become numb. A member of the left accuses Trump of being divisive, then says something divisive.
David Montanaro reports at FOX News:
‘Morning Joe’ guest on Baltimore: Trump’s rhetoric could lead to ‘horrible civil war’
An MSNBC political analyst said on “Morning Joe” Monday that President Trump’s rhetoric “could lead to some sort of a horrible civil war.”
Karine Jean-Pierre, the chief public affairs officer for MoveOn.org, was reacting with Joe Scarborough to Trump’s attack on Rep. Elijah Cummings, D-Md., in which the president called Baltimore “far worse and more dangerous” than the southern border.
“Cumming[s’] District is a disgusting, rat and rodent infested mess. If he spent more time in Baltimore, maybe he could help clean up this very dangerous & filthy place,” Trump tweeted, before calling for an investigation into why Baltimore received so much federal funding.
Jean-Pierre said Trump is putting out “toxic” racism in his tweets and it must be called out. She argued Cummings “is everything Trump is not” and Trump is “threatened by Cummings.”
Mike Brest of the Washington Examiner has Jean-Pierre’s comments:
Jean-Pierre said that since Trump was inaugurated, he’s shown he “is not a president for black people. He’s not a president for women. He’s not a president for brown people. He’s not a president for the LGBTQ community. He chooses to just double down and triple down on bigotry and racism.”
“I don’t know where Donald Trump wants to take this,” Jean-Pierre continued. “But wherever it is it’s going to be dangerous. It could lead to some sort of a horrible civil war, you know, he is testing us. He’s testing the democracy. He’s shredding the Constitution. And so, Republicans — the leadership in the Republican Party — need to stand up. You have to speak up. Because if you don’t, you are encouraging this.”
Here’s the video:
This was really about protecting Cummings from criticism. Note that Jean-Pierre didn’t really address Trump’s completely accurate criticisms of Baltimore.
Jean-Pierre is apparently concerned about negativity and hate:
#MOOD Despite all of the negativity & hate going on in the media, #WEWILLRISE!
Today is a great day to spread love in world that needs it the most. I’m excited & ready to conquer the week ahead!
What goals are you accomplishing this week? #speakitintoexistence pic.twitter.com/xVNu32eaJN
— Karine Jean-Pierre (@K_JeanPierre) July 29, 2019
Her hatred of Trump doesn’t count.
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Don’t start none, won’t be none.
Precisely. Lefties don’t want to find out what happens otherwise. And if they do want to find out, we’ll show them.
They’re already fighting the war. So far, we haven’t shown them anything but prospective victims.
Her kind need to go into the textile business. They can weave whole cloth out of nothing.
Exactly. Moveon is good advise to all rational people.
“Note that Jean-Pierre didn’t really address Trump’s completely accurate criticisms of Baltimore.”
That’s SOP (Std Oper Procedure) for the left. Point out the disastrous consequences of liberalism; suffer an unrelenting torrent of name-calling. The substance of the criticism will never be addressed.
The Muslims take this SOP to the nth degree. Never but never do they ever acknowledge that Islam has any flaw.
Wanna read about a real attack on Baltimore, this one done by Muslims following the Qur’an-authorized practice of taking slaves and hostages?
I hope they do rise. #GetAJob
Bring it on.
I believe the left have been pushing for a civil war since Obama came into power. It is what they believe will be the impetus for changing our government to their dream National Socialist State.
They worked it hard as they could under Obama’s regime, but Republicans let him get away with stepping all over the Constitution and did nothing.
The left wants the right to start it, but they have been pushing for it for a long time, and are the true reason it would come to pass. The left are all about the optics, but their actions against a duly elected President has been in large part to try to get one going. That is one of the reasons for their support of Antifa. And BLM. And any other subversive movements. The calls of racism are all part of it (along with trying to hurt Trump’s growing support from African Americans.)
The division in this country is growing, and it is through the direct actions of the left. It is what they want, they have sown the discontent, harmed positions of authority, and are growing impatient that it hasn’t happened yet. They think the military will give them cover. Their growing ties with radical Islamic groups is part of it too.
Any infidel who starts a war allied with Muslims thinking they will end the war allied with Muslims is a fool. Muslims will liquidate their allies the first chance they get.
Given that we are as close to civil war as we are, Trump’s re-election might start one. But if a Democrat is elected, a war is even more likely. Dems hate Trump with an unreasoning passion, but he won’t interfere with how they live their daily lives. The explicit goal of all the Dems is to restructure our lives.
Civil war doesn’t necessarily mean we’ll be having Antietams. More likely our major cities will turn into Belfasts.
His presidency could lead to a civil war, as opposed to the unopposed takeover they were so counting on for after Hillary was elected.
“You fools! You’ve thwarted us! Are you trying to start a war!?”
Democrats ARE the party of treason, it wouldn’t be the first time they started a civil war.
they really DO want another Civil War…
they won’t win this one either.
but it will be bloodier.
What do you think would happen when Trump leaves office and the progressive fascists attempt to put him in jail? That is likely to start a civil war.
1) SJW’s always lie.
2) SJW’s always double down.
Most importantly here…
3) SJW’s always project.
Progs are all, every one, dumber than horse doo doo.
I suggest she lead her side into battle.
Stupid but cute.
The left is losing and losing big time.
First the left tried to destroy Trump using the bogus Russian Collusion meme. That failed. Then they tried to use the bogus obstruction of justice meme. That has failed. Now they are attacking through his past business practices. That too will fail. In the meantime the left [aka Democrats] have blocked his agenda at every point that they can. And, he is tied of it. So, he is striking back, with the truth. The Cummings case illustrates the saying that politicians who represent sh**hole districts shouldn’t throw stones. All that the left has left is to continually play the racism card. Unfortunately, as Lincoln reportedly said, you can’t fool all the people, all the time. People are beginning to ignore the charges of racism, because, just like every other charge against Trump, it is bogus. And, now the left is trying to scare the populace with the potential threat of civil war. Another bogus claim.
Black Americans are not going to rise up in rebellion. Why? Because they are not stupid. Since Trump took office, the lower income populations of this country have seen a disproportionate increase in their standard of living and opportunity. This includes Black Americans. The same for Hispanic Americans. In fact, as a racial or ethnic group, White and Asian Americans have seen the least increase in standard of living and opportunity, though low income Whites have seen the same increase as low income minorities. So, exactly why would Blacks be inclined to rebel?
What could set off huge civil unrest is the antics of such organizations as AntiFa and BLM. Their activities can cause a serious violent backlash among the law abiding members of society. When average Americans and their families are placed at risk if they leave the house to buy a loaf of bread, we might just see the result of the lawful ownership of 300 million firearms in this country. We could see mobs, carrying ropes, chasing people wearing black masks through the streets. But, that is pest control, not civil war.
One last thing to consider. Why is the left talking about a civil war? Why is this being floated and blamed on Trump? Well, one thing that is most likely to set up a rebellion, in this country, is if Trump lost the next election and factual evidence was provided that this was due to rampant vote and voter fraud. THAT could well trigger a violent backlash which could evolve into civil war. Otherwise, no true civil war.
“But, that is pest control, not civil war.”
Very good and perceptive.
Leftists like Jean-Pierre can’t understand that THEY created Trump.
If they had not spent the last 50 years dispossessing, disempowering and disenfranchising heritage Americans, someone like Trump could never have become president.
It’s like you have a dog and all you do is beat it and kick it and starve it and show it no affection. Don’t call it a “bad dog” when it finally turns around and bites you.
These people could pretend to find racism in a lawnmower repair manual.
And so, Republicans . . . need to stand up. . . Because if you don’t, you are encouraging this.
Well, at least she got that right. I certainly encourage it, and I’m not even officially Republican.
I don’t understand why the left would participate in a civil war. The right has all the guns. It would be a rather short civil war.
Don’t be so cocky.
The Right may have all the guns (for now) but the Left has all the organization. Leftists have a nationwide network of activists who know how to not just mobilize thousands of demonstrators for street action, but also (and more importantly) how to provide the logistical support to keep them on the streets. They know how to provide training, food and shelter, legal help, emergency medical care, even child care. They have cadres of experienced street fighters who understand reconnaissance, communications and maneuvering. They can deploy anywhere in the country on very short notice.
What does the Right have? A whole lot of out-of-shape guys with ARs who probably couldn’t scrape up more than 2 or 3 friends at best.
Lefties are collectivists by nature. Conservatives are loners. It’s far easier to arm organized people than it is to organize armed people. If the SHTF, Soros can supply Antifa and BLM with weapons in a week. The Right would take years to duplicate the Left’s infrastructure, if ever.
I’d also like to point out that this belief that leftists don’t have guns is also false.
The left does have guns. Maybe not as much as the right has but they do have them. They also have the ability to get more guns and ammo. Just like people on the right.
Anyone who assumes a civil war would be short because the left has no guns are the same type of people who went to picnics to view the opening battles of the Civil War because they thought it wasn’t serious only to find out that it was an actual real war with death all over the place.
“What does the Right have? A whole lot of out-of-shape guys with ARs who probably couldn’t scrape up more than 2 or 3 friends at best.”
On that your quite wrong or mad. There are a very quiet and very large group of Americans quite capable if the time comes.
Nothing has really changed in human nature, Kipling understood it.
It was not part of their blood,
It came to them very late
With long arrears to make good,
When the English began to hate.
They were not easily moved,
They were icy-willing to wait
Till every count should be proved,
Ere the English began to hate.
Their voices were even and low,
Their eyes were level and straight.
There was neither sign nor show,
When the English began to hate.
It was not preached to the crowd,
It was not taught by the State.
No man spoke it aloud,
When the English began to hate.
It was not suddenly bred,
It will not swiftly abate,
Through the chill years ahead,
When Time shall count from the date
That the English began to hate.
With all due respect, Barry, you are a fool. (I mean that in a nice way ?)
If you needed 200 experienced, equipped and committed fighters in your area next week, would you know who to contact? Would you be able to feed and shelter them? Hide them? Care for minor wounds? Could you even find 20 armed conservatives willing to take orders from you, much less 200?
The Leftists behind the Black Bloc, A.N.S.W.E.R., Occupy, Antifa, BLM could pull it off right now. Hell, they could probably mobilize two or three times that many. They’ve been fighting and training and recruiting and networking for decades. Putting guns in their hands is the easy part. I’ve competed at Camp Perry and trained many dozen women at NRA events. I could take a seasoned street fighter with zero firearms experience and turn him into an adequate rifleman in a day.
Glad to see you were paying attention in English Lit, however.
A few thing about the left’s ability to wage war.
You presuppose two things which are not true. The first is that the left has a large number of people who are trained cannon fodder. They are neither trained, equipped or modern urban warfare techniques. This has not been proven. Most of the people who show up for these violent AntiFa demonstrations are sheep in masks. And when faced with strong, organized resistance, they scamper off into the all concealing shadows. Also, none of these people have actually faced any significant number of people armed with firearms. The first march through Portland, following Trump’s election was very well behaved when it walked past an apartment building with man holding a pistol standing in the doorway.
The second presupposition is that conservatives are all fat, old men with no training. Sorry, but after the lat 18 years of foreign wars, there are a significant number of conservatives who possess both infantry training and experience. And, when faced with a large compact group of violent people, a couple of high capacity, semi-automatic rifles can do a whole heck of a lot of damage.
However, the biggest reason to suspect that no true civil war would brake out is that, should it happen, national Guard units would certainly be deployed and martial law might even be declared, resulting in regular military units being deployed. As Detroit how dealing with the 82nd and 101st Airborne worked out for them in 1967.
Sorry Paul, but foolish is someone who believes in fantasy as you do.
The people I know, far more than 200, are self sufficient, own the arms, and own the ammo.
I will not need to mobilize them as they will know when.
Many of them have been trained over a lifetime.
The side you fear so much does require scores of suppliers as they can’t do anything for their selves. They have small to no ammunition stores. Their food supply has about a three day trail. Three days and they are done. They are entirely dependent upon an easily disrupted energy supply as they live in inner cities. They are dependent on water that comes from outside.
In short, I don’t have to do anything until the remaining few that survive the initial death and destruction in the inner city venture out, where they will be handled by a skilled set of self sufficient survivors.
Frankly, it’s not going to happen that way. The left is to feeble to practice anything more than mob violence in their own neighborhoods.
Your little story about taking an “experienced street fighter” and training them in a day is real cute. Dumber than dog poo, but cute. I think you’ll find that Uncle Sam has determined it takes about 8-9 weeks just to break down old ideas and remold a man into one that can now learn. One day, LOL.
You have no clue. You don’t know what your are talking about.
There are a very quiet and very large group of Americans quite capable if the time comes.
That’s nice. Capable of what? Firepower is useless without a specific target. Not just any target will do—Leftoids may think it a lark to go out on the street and crack a stranger’s skull with a bicycle lock, but the Right isn’t quite so cavalier about lethal force. So who exactly are we supposed to shoot?
Try to follow along swifty. You shoot those who come to do you harm. It’s the left threatening civil war, not that their remotely capable of doing much more than destroying their own back yard. But when they’ve done the damage to their own neighborhood and the food, water, and electricity is gone a few will be coming out. Those are your targets.
The left’s soldiers are used to being paid-off. They’d surrender at the first good deal.
Our side would have to fight to the death, lest we find ourselves in Democrats concentration camps in defeat.
You don’t have a good grasp of the psychology of either the Left or the Right.
For many Leftists, Socialism is literally their religion. They want to create Heaven on Earth. They’re willing to shed buckets of blood—yours and theirs alike— to achieve Utopia.
Many on the Right, however, just want to be left alone to live their lives, care for their families, and pursue happiness. You can’t do any of that if you are dead. Over one-third of colonists did not take a side during the Revolutionary War. As long as the Left doesn’t go full Pol Pot, many so-called conservatives will quickly decide the Constitution is highly overrated, and a little income redistribution never hurt anyone.
One of us doesn’t, and I think it’s you.
These so-called ‘religious’ leftist zealots have never lived without hunger, thirst, email, phones, plumbing – or their mother’s basement to run to. The right is made up self-sufficient people, ranging from soldiers, cops, business people, hunters, construction workers, firemen, you name it.
The ‘snowflake’ minions couldn’t hack it in an army boot camp. Imagine them on a civil war battlefield (urban or rural) when the lights go out, the bullets fly and they don’t have their morning email to know what to think or do. Worse, they won’t have netflix, though they will have their mother’s basements in which to hide.
The soldiers, cops, business people, hunters, construction workers, firemen etc will do just fine.
If there is one thing Baltimore proves it’s black people electing black politicians is bad for black people. So is listening to black “political analysts” like Karine Jean-Pierre. Black-on-black crime is limited to the streets. It’s institutionalized in black culture. The ball don’t lie.
Correction: “Black-on-black crime is NOTmlimited to the streets.”
She’s projecting fast and furious.
She’s a useful idiot. And the kind of idiot the California Bar ‘released’ the topics of the upcoming 2-day Bar exam. (Remember: it used to be 3 days; but affirmative action graduates like michelle obama – who were ushered through law school, and could not hack it in the real world – could not pass it. Hence, they cut a day, making it one of the easisted Bar exams in the nation, when it used to be the most difficult.)
And, like Al Sharpton – who is bribed to keep blacks on the democrat plantation – this woman is the ultimate Uncle Tom.
Here’s the story about the ‘accident:’
Darn. I saw the pic and thought the Little Rascals was back on.
Wouldn’t be the first time Democrats started a Civil War over the election of a Republican president.
To be honest, if Trump wins re-election [and especially wins back the House] expect one of the states of the de facto Peoples’ Republic of North America to imitate South Carolina in 1861. Those loyal to the United States who live in urban areas best take that as a sign that it is time to leave urban areas immediately. Because the war is not going to be state -v- state. It is going to be Leftist Urban -v- Conservative Rural. And the suburbs are going to be stuck in the middle. Being in the middle of a war is not a good place to be. I reiterate, if you are loyal to the Constitution and not the Left, beat feet out of there at the first warning.
Consider the nearest urban area to where you live. The average city has a three day supply of food combined in stores and warehouses at normal demand levels. At the first sign of a lack of supplies, demand levels will skyrocket.
How does food get into cities? By highway and by train, from sources that are distant. Next time you drive down a highway notice that the ground that the road runs on is not level but in fact the road adapts to the ditches, hills, mountains, etc. Those adaptations and changes in elevation are each subject to . . . interference on a regular and covert basis, sufficient to stop traffic. Same for trains.
How does power get to cities? Over high tension lines from far outside, subject to temporary or permanent interference. How does natural gas get to cities? Through pipelines with the same constraints. How does water get to cities? Through hard to protect cross country lines/aqueducts from limited and immobile sources. I offer both San Francisco and Los Angeles as case studies for the curious.
Let us say that the hungry and desperate urbanites swarm out. They will be on foot soon due to road blockages and lack of fuel, with no more food than they had in the cities and no prospect of getting any within foot marching distance. And they will be subject to “attrition” once outside of their element. If the swarm is attempted during the winter, it will be even worse for the Left.
Meanwhile, the less savory and more politically correct portions of the population that remains in the city will be looting and pillaging until they run out of anything to loot and pillage.
Within a week, long pork will be on the urban menu. A siege of about a month should be sufficient.
Just off the top of my head, and I am sure there are those with better analytical abilities.
But your scenario falls apart if the federal and Blue state governments side with the Leftists. Most Most Leftist cities are ports. Food, energy and troops will pour in from NATO allies, Mexico, and every other nation invested in maintaining the status quo. They’ll be able to keep supply lines open to many urban areas, like Assad did in Syria. Yes, it might suck to live in Austin or St. Louis, but the East and West coasts will be safe.
“Food, energy and troops will pour in from NATO allies, Mexico, and every other nation invested in maintaining the status quo. They’ll be able to keep supply lines open to many urban areas…”
LOL, I don’t know what you’re smoking but it must be psychedelic…
NATO allies? You think they are coming to the progs aid? They can’t even help theirselves.
Mexico? LOL, Mexico. Do you know the state of Mexican armament?
Hey, I know, the rainbow unicorns will come and help them out.
Mexico has armored vehicles, artillery, and helicopters. All things you and your 200 buddies lack. (Remember, my scenario is federal and Blue state governments siding with the Leftists.)
In fact, the US called in Mexican marines to bring order to New Orleans after Katrina. Mexico, Canada and the US have had a mutual aid treaty to respond to civil unrest for decades.
As for NATO, England, France and Turkey all have well-equipped and battle-tested armies. I’m sure South Korea would answer Uncle Sam’s call. Maybe even Israel would show up for the party.
Let’s you and I agree to both pray we never find out which one of us is the fool.
I’m sure Turkey would gladly provide one of the sides with an army. The problem would be getting them to leave and not stake a claim for the Umma once it’s over.
Sorry, you’re not a serious thinker.
A couple hundred Mexican aid workers in the Mexican Army are going to do what? They came as good will after Katrina. They did not and will not come to the USA in any civil unrest action. Period.
Battle tested armies. The French. I happen to know a couple of French special forces (COS), now retired. Very capable men. No, they are not coming here in a civil action.
You are out of your league.
Your constant belittling of middle America as “…obese, diabetic and strung out on Oxy.” tells me you are neither for a “Free State” or an inhabitant of the heartland.
We Are Not a Democracy! We Are A Constitutional Republic.. And Democrats are the ones pushing for another Civil War!
They don’t have the ‘army’ to do it. They have antifa goons, some union hacks, black lives matters idiots, some college students, code pink, a few morons at harvard, etc.
On the other side is the heartland of America. Armed and ready.
“On the other side is the heartland of America. Armed and ready.”
Not to mention obese, diabetic and strung out on Oxy.
Seriously, Civil War 2.0 is not going to be fought like a LARP version of “ Call of Duty.”
One side seeks safe spaces and can’t find the right bathroom. The other side has 300 million weapons and 2 billion rounds of ammo. My money’s with the latter group….
Hard to believe the conversation regarding civil war and mustering of armed volunteers on both sides . It would be terrible for everybody. And what would it accomplish? Whichever side wins a shooting war will have done so by criminally murdering (in the absence of a declaration?) or maiming a fellow American.
Whichever side “won” would possibly be required to impose an extended period of martial law and other enroachments on our rights while the winners undertake a effort to root out any enemy holdouts. So be prepared for a extended period of overt sanctioned spying and censoring after the “war” no matter who wins.
Terrible, just terrible.
I am not arguing that it would not be terrible. Nor do I believe that except by the most extraordinary circumstances would a semblance of a Constitutional Republic be the result. The key is that neither side is going to regard the other side as “fellow Americans” because we have destroyed our social contract. Neither side regards the other [and to be honest there are probably MORE than two sides that will emerge] regards the other as countrymen and women. Whatever your stand, do you trust those you disagree with to honor the rules of society?
But it is what it is. We have been tossing away the legitimacy of politics. They do not realize that Clausewitz was right. Was IS politics by other means, and in fact the only alternative to politics throughout human history. The Left is pushing for war. They will probably get it. It is not desirable. But it is inevitable and pretending otherwise just makes you a victim.
I frequently use a saying from my blog-name’s time; “Only the Great Blue Sky Tengri Nor knows what the outcome will be.”
People will do what they need to do to see that they and their families and those that they regard as countrymen survive as safe as possible and free. What they will need to do is not going to be well mannered on any side.
“We” didn’t destroy our social contract, the left did. If we lose the Republic as a result (and I would argue the Republic is mostly lost already owing to 100 years of progressive court decisions) then the left will have won, even if they lose the shooting war.
“Whichever side wins a shooting war will have done so by criminally…”
Defending your life and freedom is not criminal.
Whichever side wins will declare martial law and rule with the idea that the vanquished will forever hold a grudge. To combat the civil disobedience extra sanctions on gun ownership and free speech will be effected “temporarily”.
Im kinda ranting here but I loath the idea of letting violent conflict stemming from idiotic bullshit necessitate or facilitate the suspension of any of my human rights by a gov. . We may never get them back no matter who wins.
That’s like saying there was no choice between Washington and the Continental Congress and the British. One side favors freedom, the other doesn’t. It’s not hard to figure out which side is which.
The whole commentary is based upon the subject in the post, a prog commie democrat operative declaring we are on the verge of civil war because the commies disagree with the President.
I’m of the opinion we are far away from a civil war, that should one occur it will not last that long nor would it be a traditional civil war type conflict.
Don’t worry, the war won’t last long. I think it’s the only thing that will let us hit the reset button.
The leftist cities are port cities.
It is not NATO that will supply the leftists with arms and food.
The Russians, Iranians and Chinese will pour oil on the fire of American Civil War v2.
They will practically fall over themselves with glee at the prospect of prolonging an American civil war.
We meaning The U.S of America do not have a Democracy never have