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Justice: Police Believe They’ve Identified Viral Blue Bell Licker, Say Charges Will Be Filed

Justice: Police Believe They’ve Identified Viral Blue Bell Licker, Say Charges Will Be Filed

Second degree felony charges

In what can only be described as an act of a terror a woman opened up a half gallon of Blue Bell ice cream (the best ice cream in the country), licked it, and returned it to the freezer of a WalMart in Lufkin, Texas.

The video went viral and now police believe they’ve identified the ice cream defiler and plan to press charges, serious charges at that.

From local news:

Police think they have identified the culprit behind a video of a customer licking ice cream and putting it back in a store freezer, and she will face charges, according to Lufkin police.

The video appears to show a woman opening a 64 oz ice cream container at a grocery store, licking it and putting it back on the shelf.

Police in Lufkin, Texas, report the video hit social media on Friday, prompting officers to launch an investigation into stores from San Antonio to Houston and finally Lufkin.

After an unsuccessful police search, Blue Bell corporate asked all division managers to see if they could match the freezer in the video to one at a store.

Within an hour, a Lufkin division manager said a Lufkin Walmart matched.

At 1:10 p.m. Wednesday, Blue Bell told police they had found what they believe was the licked ice cream and removed it and all half gallons of “Tin Roof” Blue Bell ice cream from the freezer.

Surveillance video puts the culprit at the store at 11 p.m. June 28.

Police now say they have identified the woman in the viral video, and Lufkin Director of Public Safety Gerald Williamson said “appropriate charges will be filed.”

“This type of incident will not be tolerated,” Blue Bell told WAFB. “Food safety is a top priority, and we work hard to provide a safe product and maintain the highest level of confidence from our consumers.”

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Actions can have consequences? Whoda thunk it? We so rarely see that lately…

Act of Terror? Get real.

    Close The Fed in reply to snopercod. | July 4, 2019 at 8:56 pm

    Snopercod, you could be right, it could be “just a prank.” But do you remember when Tylenol was killing people? Someone injected it with poison, it all had to be pulled from the shelves?

    What is she has a communicable disease, such as hepatitis, AIDS, whatever? If she isn’t prosecuted aggressively, what will the next “prankster” infect someone with? Remember Dan Savage licking door knobs to make a group he didn’t like get sick with the flu? Flu can kill some people.

      JusticeDelivered in reply to Close The Fed. | July 4, 2019 at 11:53 pm

      It turns out she is black. Some people are complaining that someone else did something similar and was not charged, they are implying that she should get away with it because she is black.

      What makes some black people, at more than a seven fold higher rate, think that they are entitled to break the law?

      She was bragging that she had the flu, both old and very young people are at risk of dying from the flue. People with transplants are at risk, diabetics are at risk.

      Is she that stupid, clearly she is. She should go to jail, she will find plenty of her fellows there.

        And those who do not die of the flu lose time from work, from school, from personal lives.

          Valerie in reply to pst314. | July 5, 2019 at 10:58 am

          All we need is to have a fad of contaminating foodstuffs in this country, similar to the bomb scares when I was in high school.

          Charge her, convict her, file a civil suit, and then make her pay for the cost of investigation.

    Close The Fed in reply to snopercod. | July 4, 2019 at 8:59 pm

    How Tylenol murders changed how we deal with consumables:

    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/tylenol-murders-1982

      Close The Fed in reply to Close The Fed. | July 4, 2019 at 9:02 pm

      This is why almost all our products now have plastic sealed over the food or medicine. When I was a kid, this was almost never the case.

      From the PBS article:

      Before the 1982 crisis, Tylenol controlled more than 35 percent of the over-the-counter pain reliever market; only a few weeks after the murders, that number plummeted to less than 8 percent. The dire situation, both in terms of human life and business, made it imperative that the Johnson & Johnson executives respond swiftly and authoritatively.

      For example, Johnson & Johnson developed new product protection methods and ironclad pledges to do better in protecting their consumers in the future. Working with FDA officials, they introduced a new tamper-proof packaging, which included foil seals and other features that made it obvious to a consumer if foul play had transpired. These packaging protections soon became the industry standard for all over-the-counter medications. The company also introduced price reductions and a new version of their pills — called the “caplet” — a tablet coated with slick, easy-to-swallow gelatin but far harder to tamper with than the older capsules which could be easily opened, laced with a contaminant, and then placed back in the older non-tamper-proof bottle.

        JusticeDelivered in reply to Close The Fed. | July 4, 2019 at 11:59 pm

        I was deeply suspicious that this was done by a competitor at the time.

          gospace in reply to JusticeDelivered. | July 5, 2019 at 1:59 am

          There was also speculation at the time that it was done by the man who developed the tamper resistant seals that allowed you to see i something had been previously opened. He was from Chicago.

          oldgoat36 in reply to JusticeDelivered. | July 5, 2019 at 5:36 am

          While there are and have been many instances of businesses that will do unscrupulous things to harm their competition, I found it hard to believe that a competitor business would stoop to killing people to promote their product.

          I remember trick-or-treat warnings when I was a kid to never eat any fruits, like apples or such, as some people back then thought it “funny” to spray things on the fruit. There were also people who shoved pins and needles in candy, razor blades into fruit, and there had been reports about kids who got serious injured by these “pranks”. This was in the NYC area, it was in my local papers, and my mother always sorted through the items.

          Now, there are mobile x-ray units that go around in communities to check trick-or-treater’s bags.

          There is no end to the horrible things some people will think of to do.

          In her case, she was hoping to get others to join her in doing this. And she at least claimed to be ill with the flu at the time. Currently there is a late run flu going around that has hit my area that the flu shot doesn’t immunize for, and its a particularly tough strain of flu. And with social media, this is something that could spread quickly to a lot of different areas of the country in a hurry.

          This isn’t “just” her licking the ice cream, it’s her promoting it, wanting to see others do the same thing, while ill. Even if she isn’t sick, she was giving the idea to the other pod eaters to do this. Our society is plagued with people who copy cat other people’s stupid actions. And some people have died because of doing just that. Remember the cinnamon challenge? That caused a few fatalities.

          I get thinking “hey, it’s a minor thing”, but think deeper about the ramifications of these actions, and her social media push to spread this action. And finding it was pretty amazing work by Blue Bell personnel, who were able to find the store so quickly. Yet still, there is no guarantee that this hadn’t been picked up on by other morons who were a little smarter than her and didn’t post their actions.

          It also amazes me that this was found out about so quickly in the first place. How did someone see this and give notice so quickly? That’s good news, yet scary in itself that something like this was noticed and acted on in such a short time.

          Milhouse in reply to JusticeDelivered. | July 5, 2019 at 6:58 pm

          I remember trick-or-treat warnings when I was a kid to never eat any fruits, like apples or such, as some people back then thought it “funny” to spray things on the fruit. There were also people who shoved pins and needles in candy, razor blades into fruit, and there had been reports about kids who got serious injured by these “pranks”. This was in the NYC area, it was in my local papers, and my mother always sorted through the items.

          There is no record of any such thing ever having happened, anywhere. It’s just a scary story that people tell each other at Halloween, to frighten them in the spirit of the season.

          Replying to Millhouse. 1972 my little sister was given acid in some kind of homemade treat that got her admitted to emergency and with a spinal tap (so called at the time, lower lumbar today). Obviously this was way before the internet and her story wasn’t published. For our family it’s not just a another scary story for Halloween.

          Milhouse in reply to JusticeDelivered. | July 6, 2019 at 11:01 pm

          Acid as in something with a low pH, or acid as in LSD?

          There was such a thing as publishing before the internet, you know. (Actually 1972 is not before the internet, but I know what you meant. Still, there were newspapers.)

          See here (from long before Snopes sold its birthright for a pot of message).

          Arminius in reply to JusticeDelivered. | July 7, 2019 at 1:44 am

          I may be wrong. I’m sure the Jews who post and/or comment here will have a multiplicity of divergent opinions.

          If you grew up in an Italian, black, or Jewish household you didn’t want to have to sit next to Uncle Milt for
          Thanksgiving dinner. He might even be technically correctMilt on occasion but eventually sometime between the cranberry sauce and the pumpkin pie you just wanted to backhand the s**t out of the guy.

          And your entire family would ignore the fact you just launched Uncle Milt into the yard until grandma breaks the silence by asking, “So, does any one want more pie?”

          Arminius in reply to JusticeDelivered. | July 7, 2019 at 2:17 am

          Now imagine the holiday dinners when cousin so and so “bravely” came out as gay and we are like, “No f***ing shit, now can you pass the garlic bread.”

    As it turns out, the miscreant woman was also identified bragging about what she did on social media (of course). She posted that she had the flu at the time and she added that others who are also sick should lick ice cream in stores as well in order to “start an epidemic”. She’s calling it the “#tinroofchallenge” since the ice cream she licked was the ‘Tin Roof Sundae’ option. Here’s some links, and yeah, that is, in fact, [biological] terrorism, buddy….

    https://i.imgur.com/BekBO1j.png
    https://heavy.com/news/2019/07/asia-blue-bell-ice-cream-licker/

      pst314 in reply to FlatFoot. | July 4, 2019 at 10:00 pm

      Thank you for posting those links.

      DaveGinOly in reply to FlatFoot. | July 4, 2019 at 11:18 pm

      Hey FlatFoot, I’m just wondering – How is Wynona’s big brown beaver doing? Or is it a porcupine?

      alaskabob in reply to FlatFoot. | July 5, 2019 at 1:41 pm

      NOTHING TO SEE HERE…. In California it is only a misdemeanor to infect someone with AIDS. So… if she has AIDS it is nothing.. but if flu bug…???

      If she has a politically protected disease then nothing will happen.

      txvet2 in reply to FlatFoot. | July 5, 2019 at 8:04 pm

      The current story from Lufkin PD is that the on-line idiot wasn’t the same person as the licking idiot.

    Tom Servo in reply to snopercod. | July 5, 2019 at 10:21 am

    The Act of Terror is gonna be if I’m in the store and I see her licking my Bluebell Ice Cream like that!

    (I absolutely love my Bluebell btw, wouldn’t buy any other brand)

    Mac45 in reply to snopercod. | July 5, 2019 at 8:23 pm

    This IS economic terrorism. Once this video went viral, it forced Blue Bell to take extraordinary measures to guard against contamination. Blue Bell is a national product. It is not sold in only one store. All gallon product had to be removed from the shelves in Texas. Huge loss. Now, the company will most likely have to change their packaging, which is expensive. There should be both criminal prosecution for this as well as civil penalties for loss.

    gospace in reply to snopercod. | July 5, 2019 at 9:05 pm

    She introduced potentially lethal organisms into the food supply. Meets the dictionary definition of bio-weapon. Explain how it’s not an act of terror?

If the location and the person hadn’t been identified, it would’ve led to throwing out that flavor of ice cream around the entire country. That’s an enormous waste of food, and when you consider the environmental inputs to making food it’s also an environmental crime.
I hope the store was smart enough to hold onto the suspect container for evidence.

    Edward in reply to beagleEar. | July 6, 2019 at 7:37 am

    They couldn’t identify which container so pitched the entire lot of Tin Roof they had in the freezer.

    Sorry for the downvote, the screen jumped just as I was trying to click on “Reply”.

The potential penalties seem a little steep.

I’m sure some famous ex athlete advisor for some shoe company will find a racist component and the offender will be paid reparations for some unspecified reason.

The notorious licker has class -Tin Roof is one of my favorite ice creams. Utah state university Logan makes their own ice cream – one flavor stands out. Lemon custard. Sounds not so good, right? Those two flavors don’t jibe? Just wrong!

To. Die. For.

rabid wombat | July 4, 2019 at 9:11 pm

Messing with Blue Bell is close to horse theft…..

To call this a prank seems odd to me. How is it a prank to have spittle left on a random ice cream container where the person who purchases it has no idea of it being contaminated?

Sure, this idiot, likely an Obama voter – as far too many of them were not very smart – might have thought this funny. Yet, I can imagine outrage on her part if someone did that to food she was eating. Just some random person going up and licking her food and walking away.

At least she would have been forewarned unlike a person purchasing this product. Would it be a prank if instead of licking it she put a poison in it? Would it be a prank if she put feces in it and left it for some random person?

I am puzzled that there was no seal on the container. I would have thought most ice creams had a seal between the cover and the contents.

    So let them call it a prank. Then send her to prison, and call that a prank.

    artichoke in reply to oldgoat36. | July 5, 2019 at 12:51 am

    Yeah maybe she would be outraged.

    But it takes more than this to get me outraged, unless she’s got something bad in her saliva. Yeah it’s gross.

    It’s a fine. It’s not prison nor a felony, if it was just normal licking and she wasn’t contaminated.

      oldgoat36 in reply to artichoke. | July 5, 2019 at 4:59 am

      She had the flu at the time she did it, apparently, and posted this on social media encouraging others to do the same thing, to start an epidemic.

      Thing is, you don’t know what any person might have that could be transmitted to others by an act like this. She might have something, might not, but pushing this as a challenge makes it worse.

      And what if others have followed her but weren’t stupid enough to publicize it on social media?

      Stupid people will follow these challenges all the time, so this could have others doing it already.

      Isn’t that special?

      tom_swift in reply to artichoke. | July 5, 2019 at 7:36 am

      You don’t have to be “outraged” to realize that this deliberate, gratuitous, and cavalier violation of public safety merits some incarceration time. You just have to be logical and willing to admit the obvious.

      Valerie in reply to artichoke. | July 5, 2019 at 11:04 am

      It’s childish, all right, but it’s the kind of thing that could get somebody killed, and cost millions of dollars in economic damage, not to mention new Congressional legislation and packaging rules and expense.

      No. Just no.

An Ariana Grande moment, done against a company that had to shut down over contamination problems. Charge her.

She can get 2 to 20 for this. Couple years in the pen should wipe the smile off her face.

    pst314 in reply to puhiawa. | July 4, 2019 at 10:03 pm

    She’s the sort of savage who will never learn civillized behavior: give her 20 not 2.

      artichoke in reply to pst314. | July 5, 2019 at 12:54 am

      What the hell, why not 200? In 20 she could be out and lick another ice cream container, or maybe spit on the sidewalk.

      So throw her whole life away and a few hundred thou in incarceration costs.

        Close The Fed in reply to artichoke. | July 5, 2019 at 8:31 am

        Artichoke, I get your point. But if she gets away with it, then all the other idiots think playing stupid games will not get them stupid prizes, so they feel free to play.

        I don’t want my food supply any more contaminated than it already is by latins picking produce when they have 3rd world bathroom habits.

        Valerie in reply to artichoke. | July 5, 2019 at 11:13 am

        Oh, she is an individual, not a college with a billion-dollar endowment. The deterrent could be shaped to fit the perpetrator.

        Charge her, convict her for a relatively small crime, then allow the civil suit to go forward. Let her pay 10% of her income for the rest of her life.

        That would not come anywhere close to repaying the damage she has inflicted on the company, but it would be a deterrent to future food contaminators.

After she’s sentence to ten years in prison and ordered to repay for the damages of restocking the entire store, she should be forced to lick the refugee toilets at the border.

    Sunlight78 in reply to TheFineReport.com. | July 4, 2019 at 11:20 pm

    That would be a punishment for the illegals. I think she should have one random unidentified item on each of her meal trays in prison licked by a random prisoner. So she cantry to guess which one it is and know she may be eating something who knows who licked.

An open and free society depends on some universal level of trust and respect. This kind of antisocial behavior causes harm beyond a gallon of Blue Bell. I do not care whether she intended to commit a crime or was playing a prank (I know Comey cares). Punish her behavior. We need to stand up for a culture of decency. She knows she did something wrong. Time for her to pay.

    artichoke in reply to TX-rifraph. | July 5, 2019 at 12:49 am

    Life sentences for jaywalking!

    It is efficient after all, we should all obey the law, and jaywalking is breaking the law!

    ffs

      TX-rifraph in reply to artichoke. | July 5, 2019 at 6:48 am

      Equivocation. Jaywalking potentially harms me. It is a selfish act with efficiency as a purpose. Tampering with other people’s food is an antisocial act that violates public trust. In that respect, it is an analog to “swatting.” I did some stupid pranks when young but I did not do antisocial acts that could potentially harm people or damage public trust.

      What kind of mind do these sick antisocial people have? Do their equivocating defenders think like they do?

      txvet2 in reply to artichoke. | July 5, 2019 at 8:11 pm

      You’d be surprised how many jaywalkers down here get an instant death sentence.

Good thing this was only ice cream – if it had been a Blue Bell Salt Lick the gov’nor woulda deputized the local townsfolk, had them booted, spurred and mounted within hours searching river bottoms and beating the bushes for this… this… this… this…. FELONIOUS RASCAL.

Cap’n McCall trucks no such ill behaviour from smirky, bespectacled renegade …. lickers.

#MAYTHESOUTHLIVEFOREVER!

    artichoke in reply to Tiki. | July 5, 2019 at 12:57 am

    Was gonna upvote until the sarcastic thing about the south.

      Tiki in reply to artichoke. | July 5, 2019 at 1:57 pm

      I know you’re a thoughtful commenter here at LI. That said, I’ll admit to trolling. I get tired of sanctimonious Texans crowing about things – in the same way people hate self-satisfied Californians yipping about whatever – I get tired of it too – and I live in California!

      So yeah. The south lives forever troll was a bit much. Also. At the time of my posting I was unaware that the girl was sick. That changes everything.

      By the way? I actually do love that I was rated down 14 times. Texans are a thin-skinned lot and need to be brought to heel every once in a while.

      pps. people rated you down for not rating me down.. or something. Hilarious!

        txvet2 in reply to Tiki. | July 5, 2019 at 8:12 pm

        Living in Cal, I can see you’d have an inferiority complex when it comes to Texas.

        Mac45 in reply to Tiki. | July 5, 2019 at 8:37 pm

        So, unless you knew that a person who was ill, with a contagious illness came up and spit in your face, that would be alright? And, more importantly, how do you know the person is NOT sick? You don’t.

        Now, the public is informed that an unknown person in unknown health has licked a gallon of Blue Bell ice cream in an unknown store in an unknown location and replaced it in the freezer. Would this be expected to depress the sales of that Blue Bell product, until the company can assure consumers that the product is safe? Can it be assumed that all product will have to be replaced at unknown cost to the company? If you owned Blue Bell, would just shrug it off? Think about this.

          txvet2 in reply to Mac45. | July 5, 2019 at 9:53 pm

          Bluebell is in a tenuous situation anyway. They’re still recovering from their last listeria outbreak.

Now that the store has thrown out the ice cream, society should throw out the perpetrator.

If there is any other product as good as Blue Bell Peach Ice Cream, I want to now about it.

All of Blue Bell’s flavor are delightful but their peach and strawberry are incomparable.

As to the demon who was contaminating a product? Treat her as the terrorist that she is.

Just imagine offering a spoonful of Blue Bell to a toddler, only to find out that it has been contaminated by a lot lizard with bad breath and who knows what other diseases, beyond patent mental illness.

If I bought some ice cream and learned that someone did this to it, they would be calling the police to protect them from me.

She’ll probably get a light slap on the wrist. SJWs don’t get real punishment.

VaGentleman | July 4, 2019 at 11:34 pm

It shows you the level of video surveillance at WalMart. You can be sure that once they id’d the store it was a search of surveillance videos that gave them a suspect.

    jhn1 in reply to VaGentleman. | July 5, 2019 at 5:04 pm

    Yup.
    review video that shows that freezer section until someone with that appearance performs that action (or what appears to be that action anyway). Forward until that person passes the register or exits, if the register look at who transacted from that register at that time (debit, credit, and EBT cards are all trackable) and/or what vehicle plate was on the vehicle she entered to leave. Even if the surveillance video isn’t good enough to convict by itself, showing what her own close-up showed as an overview and continuing until she can be identified would get a conviction in any honest court (maybe not a SJW court).

Well, I can tell she’s not a WASP. My guess is she’s a lib-dem.

I hope somebody punches that bitch in the throat.

    Firewatch in reply to Paul. | July 5, 2019 at 7:19 pm

    Brace yourself, Paul. Whataburger has been sold to someone in Illinois. Punching her in the throat would be extreme. Let her lick some feedlot stuff every day for a year.

I think this is an overreaction and hope the judge finds a way to bust it down to a misdemeanor and tell her to stop the nonsense.

Presumably they’ve tested a few of the licked items and found nothing but disease-free saliva added.

    JusticeDelivered in reply to artichoke. | July 4, 2019 at 11:57 pm

    My immune system is compromised, this is not in the least funny or understandable.

    tom_swift in reply to artichoke. | July 5, 2019 at 12:55 am

    Presumably they’ve tested a few of the licked items

    Why would you presume anything so improbable?

    Gremlin1974 in reply to artichoke. | July 5, 2019 at 11:00 pm

    You have no idea what you are talking about. Saliva along with every other body fluid is always considered infectious, period. It’s called “universal precautions”. Therefore, if saliva was detected it would immediately be considered contaminated.

    Also, no they don’t test the licked items, because they don’t know which ones were licked.

    Lastly, who are “they”? What agency do you think would waste time on this when it is far more economical to just chuck the entire freezer and replace it with new product.

    She should be charged with the max, period. Regardless of outcome, her intent was clear. Or do you believe that people who attempt to murder someone shouldn’t be charged because they didn’t succeed?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQCU36pkH7c

Colonel Travis | July 5, 2019 at 12:26 am

Person A: I got a great idea!
Person B: What?
A: Lick some ice cream and put it back.
B: Yeah!
A: And I’ll video you doing it.
B: Yeah!
A: And I’ll make sure everyone can see what you’re wearing and I’ll also include your whole face and then I’ll put it on the internet. They’ll never find out who you are.
B: THIS IS SO GREAT!

The Founding Fathers really should have picked their cotton themselves.

    tom_swift in reply to cucha. | July 5, 2019 at 7:18 am

    A leftover of the British slave biz, instituted in the 1530s to supply labor to the plantations on the Caribbean islands.

    A lot of nasty stuff comes from Europe.

    JusticeDelivered in reply to cucha. | July 5, 2019 at 8:16 am

    Caucasian lineage in American blacks is in the range of 1/3 to 2/3, so overall say 50%, yet their average IQ is 85.

    That means one of two things, either their IQ was really low when they were imported, or even worse is that whateven drives intelligence does not express itself well when cross breeding.

    This is one of the biggest problems with open borders, that it could easily lead to a precipitous decline of higher intelligence. All of humanity would suffer if that happens, and it could takes a very long time to recover from that.

    Starting in the sixties, there was huge political pressure to protect “feelings” by attributing groups low intelligence to mostly environmental factors. All public policy was driven by that assumption. That is a big part of why wellfare, affirmative action and other policies based on that assumption were put in place.

    It has since become clear that most of the intelligence problem is genetic, and that is why we have such a large group still stuck in poverty.

    Rather than admitting that this is a genetic problem, and steering those who are not smart enough for college to careers appropriate for their intelligence, they started creating dumb majors for dumb people. When they couldn’t achieve the goal, they wallpapered over it, hiding reality.

    There are plenty of dumb white people, we accept them for what they are, and guide them to appropriate careers. It is time to end all affirmative things, to treat all people the same, based on their ability.

      Valerie in reply to JusticeDelivered. | July 5, 2019 at 1:51 pm

      If you are referring to The Bell Curve, you might be interested to know that the data in that book does not support the thesis.

      IQ tests have a margin of error, and the results reported in the book reported results within the margin of error. When the results are within the margin of error, they are the same. Running the same tests more times does not change this result.

      Also, IQ tests were not designed, and do not directly measure, intelligence. They were designed to measure school performance, and what they really measure is student performance adjusted to take into account what the kids should have been taught by that age. Good schools have more kids with higher IQs, for several different reasons, including exposure to more advanced information at a younger age.

      You are right that American blacks have a lot of white in them. The urban ones are also concentrated in poorer schools, these days. With that background, the only thing we can conclude is that, despite the bad schools, our black kids still abstract enough knowledge to score THE SAME as whites.

      I don’t know how that book got published with such fundamental errors in its statistical analysis. However, I have seen equally egregious errors in other allegedly scientific papers. Apparently politics and prejudice as well as poor statistical training yields nonsense publications.

        Milhouse in reply to Valerie. | July 6, 2019 at 10:42 pm

        Also, IQ tests were not designed, and do not directly measure, intelligence. They were designed to measure school performance, and what they really measure is student performance adjusted to take into account what the kids should have been taught by that age.

        This is just not true. They don’t test knowledge of facts at all. They mostly test abstract reasoning ability, with shapes, numbers, etc.; that doesn’t depend at all on what a child has been taught. Children with better education do initially tend to do better on these tests, but that advantage disappears quickly, and by adulthood it has no discernible effect.

        artichoke in reply to Valerie. | July 14, 2019 at 8:15 pm

        The Bell Curve makes its case very well. While it is not as tight as a mathematical proof, the gaps do not come across as especially important.

        This is a problem for Charles Murray as he now tries to distance himself from that work. The problem is that it’s correct. Otherwise he’d tell us of some clear problem with it.

        Murray’s favorite argument now against the book is that twin twin studies don’t conclusively prove the nature-over-nurture conclusions, because (and then follows some gobbledygook that essentially means maybe there’s some totally different explanation and we didn’t exclude all such alternative explanations — which would never be possible anyway.)

        Bell Curve is still good and still demonstrates what it asserts.

      Actually, prevailing evidence suggests that, if intelligence is measured as the ability arrive at logical, effective ways to solve problems, that there is no significant difference between various races. Traditional measurement devices, however, rely upon learned information and the ability to regurgitate or use it. That is why people with different levels of learning score differently on traditional intelligence quotient testing. And, environment directly affects both what we learn and the amount of knowledge that we amass. For example, people who grow up in a rural setting are probably more likely to score well on a test designed to test accuracy with a rifle than are those living in an urban area. But, this does not mean that rural dwellers are inherently better rifle shots than city dwellers.

        artichoke in reply to Mac45. | July 14, 2019 at 8:19 pm

        The IQ tests called Raven’s Progressive Matrices (and Raven’s Advanced Progressive Matrices) are counterexamples to your argument. For that matter, at least most parts of a standard WISC (Wechsler Intelligence Scale for Children) or WAIS (Wechsler Adult Intelligence Scale) test are things like digit span, digit reversal, building things with blocks, and other tasks devoid of cultural content.

      Replying to Mac 45. Anecdotal evidence. I live 1/2 block away from Denver Art Museum where Tut exhibition was hosted. That’s my sort of thing. I went through it six times taking different friends. Schools also went through quite a lot and repeatedly I saw firsthand the differences in quality of school classes. It shows in manners and in dress. Some classes the children were incredibly well behaved and came prepared with worksheets to fill out relating to Egyptian history as they pass through the exhibition. The answers right there in the exhibition. I spoke with young boys and girls who were intensely interested in the subject. I spoke with young students eager to convey what they knew about the objects we saw. They were impressively well-taught.

      Conversely, I saw entire classroom of children running rampant through the exhibition as a giant playground, dressed poorly, just being kids, learning nothing at all that is useful. Not stopping to study anything. Not grabbed by anything. Gold and jewelry and treasures right there and not caring about anything. Not interested in anything. Just another free day away from school to run around and play. Completely unprepared for what they would see. And not caring. And there is a clear racial component to these difference.

      Some schools prepare their students impressively well, and other schools just barely babysit. All that shows quite clearly at the museum.

That’s the kind of thing that triggers me. I live in a community where most residents are retired. So often when a senior loses their spouse, they buy a dog for companionship. I often see people driving with their dog on their lap, dogs leading their owner through stores, even grocery stores and on occasion, restaurants.

State, county and city ordinances prohibit dogs in any place that sells food – and no distinction is made whether prepared food or packaged. Complaints to the police, city council, store management, even the food safety folks are ignored. I’ve seen dogs relieve themselves near food displays, shake their heads and throw slobber all over packaged food, etc. Some stores, like Home Depot even encourage dog owners to bring their dogs into the store, even while displaying a NO DOGS sign at every store entrance.

And now people behave like dogs and deliberately contaminate food I might buy and eat? If they get caught they need to be locked up.

It’s bad enough here with the dogs and their ignorant owners that I’m running out of places to boycott. This sure gives me pause about grocery shopping. Time to break out the old ice-cream maker.

    JusticeDelivered in reply to MrE. | July 5, 2019 at 8:26 am

    Dogs are in some respects like children, they can be trained to behave well, most certainly better that this stupid young lady (maybe lady is the wrong term).

    I raise rottweilers, adults are well behaved. I do not take them to stores, but do take them farm events, generally to rehome puppies.

    Close The Fed in reply to MrE. | July 5, 2019 at 8:37 am

    Okay, Home Depot doesn’t have food, except drinks in bottles and candy in packaging. I used to take my dogs there all the time.

    I mean, nobody is eating the lumber.

    hrhdhd in reply to MrE. | July 5, 2019 at 10:29 am

    Yes, enough with the dogs in stores. When they spend money, let me know.

    I have stopped going to a local arts show, held in a little town where dogs are prohibited at public events, because the organizers and the police won’t stop people from entering with their dogs. I don’t understand it.

      MrE in reply to hrhdhd. | July 5, 2019 at 11:54 am

      I seem to be a magnet for ill-behaved dogs. While shopping at HD, which displays a NO DOGS sign at every entrance, a couple each with a dog on a leash squeezed between me and the display of product I was looking at. The 2nd dog through forcibly stuck its nose in my crotch. The owner laughed. I complained to store management who defended the dog. I don’t shop at HD any more.

      Note that I’m a life-long resident of this area, but I spent 15 years in the rural midwest. When I left for the midwest, dogs were never seen in stores. Same in the rural midwest; dogs were farm animals, intended to protect the homestead. Few people in town owned dogs, perhaps because it can get so damn cold there in winter and no one wants to walk a dog in a blizzard. So I experienced a kind of culture shock when I moved back to this area 5 years ago – as in “where did all the dogs come from and what are they doing in stores, around food, in restaurants?”

      It’s the puppy parents and “dogs are people too” types that have made it so damn annoying.

The number of people commenting here who think this should be treated lightly astound me.

Throw the book at her. Maximum sentence. Let all her friends and instagram and whatever social media she posted it on know- YOU WILL BE PUNSISHED! We don’t want copycats.

One of the points made in Starship Troopers how manifestly unfair it is to let juveniles get away with crimes until they’re 18- then suddenly hold them accountable. If you don’t stop unlawful or obnoxious behavior early- it gets worse. Witness the increasing violence of the brownshirts known as antifa.

    Tiki in reply to gospace. | July 5, 2019 at 2:49 pm

    Many of the posts here predate the knowledge that the girl was sick. I thought she was just being a jerk by licking the ice cream, but then found out she was sick and encouraging others on social media to contaminate food products. That changed everything.

    Summary.

    Pre knowledge of facts? The hang’em high village folk here were crowding into a virtue signaling wolf pack typical of SJW internet lynch mobs we’re so familiar with. I hate that sort of behavior – whether it be of the right wing “law and order” variety or the leftist “hate america” red guard Maoists type.

    This is for the law and order types. We’ve seen very little law and order applied to the
    Washington DC elites over the past fifteen years. Hillary’s private email server. The Pakistani hackers employed by Debbie Wasserman-Schultz and the DNC? Christopher Steele and Fusion GPS. Comey/Brenner. Lois Lerner. Youtube censorship. Facebook deplatforming. Google fixing search results.

    They go scot free.

    But a girl licking ice cream needs to be horse whipped then drawn and quartered? Because a lot of those same comments came previous to the knowledge that she was sick and encouraging others to do the same.

    Note – many of the comments on both accounts here predate knowledge of the facts. Yeah. I’ve noted that three times now – because some virtue signalking jackass will read past it.

      Tiki….

      How’s this for punishment…Make an extra-extra large ice-cream milk shake, give her a straw and make her drink it as fast as possible till she gets a terminal case of Brain-Freeze !??

      OR

      Make her eat 80 gals of ice-cream in one setting! So afterwards, the mere thought of ice-cream or even the sight of the ice-cream isle…makes her…retch her guts out!!!
      (or is that cruel and unusual ?)

So stupid question how come carton is not sealed

    Close The Fed in reply to Notanymore. | July 5, 2019 at 8:39 am

    See the full Blue Bell statement below:

    We want to thank our consumers for alerting us to the recent food tampering incident. We take this issue very seriously and are currently working with law enforcement, retail partners and social media platforms. This type of incident will not be tolerated.

    Food safety is a top priority, and we work hard to provide a safe product and maintain the highest level of confidence from our consumers.

    During production, our half gallons are flipped upside down and sent to a hardening room where the ice cream freezes to create a natural seal. The lids are frozen tightly to the carton. Any attempt at opening the product should be noticeable.

    We will continue to monitor this situation.

      tom_swift in reply to Close The Fed. | July 5, 2019 at 11:42 am

      Any attempt at opening the product should be noticeable.

      This seems meaningless.

      An employee would notice a miscreant struggling with the frozen lid while standing in front of the freezer door in the store?

      A customer would notice after buying the product and taking it home that the lid is no longer frozen in place?

      Or maybe it means something even less useful.

      It’s basically a non-response, perhaps by a company flack honing his skills for a job in government.

        Valerie in reply to tom_swift. | July 5, 2019 at 1:38 pm

        There is a tamper-evident ring of plastic around the seal at the top. If people are alerted to it, they will spot it immediately.

          tom_swift in reply to Valerie. | July 5, 2019 at 3:36 pm

          Too bad the company statement said nothing of such an obvious seal (the sort just about all modern products have), but instead talked about a frozen seal, which is pretty obviously not a seal at all.

        marybeth in reply to tom_swift. | July 5, 2019 at 6:37 pm

        If I put my groceries in my hot car, I think the ice cream might melt enough so that I wouldn’t be able to tell if it had been opened before.

        This “frozen seal” business only works when you can trust your fellow shoppers not to tamper with products.

        tom_swift…

        An employee would notice a miscreant struggling with the frozen lid while standing in front of the freezer door in the store?

        If it was a Walmart…? Ah….no. 🙂
        (just kidding…those Walmart employees are Ever-Vigilant !)

          pst314 in reply to tgrondo. | July 6, 2019 at 9:10 am

          Checkout clerks everywhere are likely enough to not notice things like this. Sometimes they will, but often they will not.

      artichoke in reply to Close The Fed. | July 5, 2019 at 4:02 pm

      If this is it, I doubt it’s enough. We buy ice cream with a similar seal. One can spread one’s fingers out and carefully life up the lid without destroying it. That’s how I open such containers at home.

      So the lid can be put back and look just as when it was new.

      They may have to put another seal around, going forward, because of this incident.

    artichoke in reply to Notanymore. | July 5, 2019 at 4:08 pm

    I remember back in the days of yore, when even Halloween candy wasn’t necessarily sealed.

    What progress we’ve made.

nerkbuckeye | July 5, 2019 at 7:31 am

Now if they can just identify the Presidential candidate that broke federal law by escorted five illegal aliens across the southern border and apply the same level of law enforcement and prosecutorial fervor.

The cartons are sealed with heat shrink plastic around the lid. I have lots of experience with Blue Bell lids

    4th armored div in reply to floridaman. | July 5, 2019 at 9:13 am

    good point – and if the checkout crew, who work fast, can notice and pull the item – good, but does not solve self check.

    Gremlin1974 in reply to floridaman. | July 5, 2019 at 11:05 pm

    I pretty much always eat Blue Bell ice cream (Cookies and Cream and Butter Pecan) and I don’t ever remember getting one with a shrink wrapped seal.

Tin Roof!? Hang her!

Growing up in Sacramento we didn’t have Blue Bell, but local Crystal Creamery made Tin Roof and I got hooked.

Living in Georgia now, sometimes I can find Blue Bell Tin Roof in one of our local supermarkets. It’s a nice nostalgic trwat.

Public whippings may be an effective deterrent.

This sort of thing isn’t exactly new. I’ve gotten home from the store with things like smoothies and found when I opened them that somebody had already opened one in the store and drank from it. All teens are stupid, some are stupider than others.

    Valerie in reply to txvet2. | July 5, 2019 at 1:36 pm

    Oh, did they post it online, saying they had a contagious disease, and encourage others to do the same?

    These are grown-up crimes.

      artichoke in reply to Valerie. | July 5, 2019 at 4:07 pm

      Agreed that the flu thing changes my perspective quite a bit. She wasn’t just destroying new property, she was spreading disease intentionally.

      I don’t know what a “grown-up crime” is, but it is a crime or several.

      txvet2 in reply to Valerie. | July 5, 2019 at 8:05 pm

      Lufkin PD says the licker and the poster were different people.

Now identified as a juvenile.

Well, that’s a relief. The justice system will now protect her right to menace public health as she sees fit.

I feel better already.

    Antifundamentalist in reply to tom_swift. | July 5, 2019 at 7:17 pm

    Juveniles get tried as adults every day. This kind of “prank” could kill someone (my immunocompromised neighbor, for example). It deserves to be treated the same way as pouring a vial of contagion into the ice cream tub would be – its the same damn thing.

      tom_swift in reply to Antifundamentalist. | July 6, 2019 at 12:25 am

      If they’re going to handle her like an adult suspect, they’ll publicize a name. If officialdom keeps her anonymous, don’t expect much.

      I can’t bring peanuts on an airplane but this chick thinks she can salavicate all over a half gallon or whatever container of ice cream?

      Seriously, crucify her.

      I’m a conservative. Not a Libertarian because, face it boys and girls (and whatever your personal pronoun preference) modern libertarianism boils down to “I want to smoke pot.”

      Fine. Smoke all the pot you want. But if I, as an employer, drug test you don’t b**** about it. When you’re on the clock you represent me and I can’t have a drunk or stoned employee running around piling up the damages.

      But again I digress.

      My libertarian instinct tells me I can do what I want to do. As long as I don’t do any definable, quantifiable harm to a third party. Swapping spit with a container of ice cream and then returning it to the case for retail sale crosses a clear line.

This is one of those cases which, IMHO, deserves some harsh [punishment, but confinement, again IMHO, is a waste of public money. But reformers have done away with public canings, whippings, and time in the stocks.

A few strokes of a cane and a day in the stocks with bushels of rotted vegetables for bystanders to toss would be far less costly to taxpayers. And would serve the same purpose of warning others: DON’T DO THIS!

It seems really, really dumb for this young lady to video herself committing the licking offense…then post it online so she could be….CAUGHT…????

But people do this kind of stuff all the time… Don’t these criminal Einsteins realize when you post something on social media….everyone can see it…including the police ??????

I find it ironic that the most powerful influences on my life are a) Jews and b) dogs. Which may at first glance appear to be disrespectful to Jews and all the other racial/ethnic groups I didn’t mention. Including my own, Italians, I might add. But consider.

First let me get the assertion about dogs out of the way. Your dog, if you let him, will teach YOU. Will teach you everything you need to know about leadership. Thin;k about it. You get a dog and if you don’t abuse that dog you have a creature that loves you unconditionally. A creature that, OBTW, also knows more about hunting, herding, and guarding than you could know in a thousand lifetimes.

And many dog breeds have been bred to specialize in these qualities over millenia. And historically these are the three qualities that have made dogs most valuable to homo sapiens.

So here we should have a marriage, so to speak, made in heaven. On the one hand we have a species that needs to get certain things done, certain things it’s not naturally adapted to do. On the the other hand we have a species that is naturally adapted to love the first species that I mentioned. And was born knowing more about the things the first species wants to get done (general purpose dogs like German Shepherds may not be as good at pointing like English Pointers or as good at retrieving as Labrador Retrievers or as good at herding as Border Collies, but they are better at it than you will ever be).

But many people will still f*** it up.

I always thought that taking a look at a candidate’s dog should be part of the selection process for general or flag officer. You’re going to tell me that someone who can’t even train a creature so willing to be trained is qualified to lead recruits into combat? Recruits that don’t love you unconditionally and weren’t born knowing more about the task you are trying to teach them to do than you (hopefully, if you are any good at your job) are trying to teach them to do.

Obviously not everyone nominated for general or flag rank will be interested in hunting or herding (although I would be deeply suspicious of such a candidate owning a Lab and not being interested in hunting or, worse, being a vegan or something). But if they can’t do the simple things like training a dog THEMSELVES, ON THEIR OWN, to be decent citizens why in the h3ll should we trust them with the lives of people who are supposed to be trained to do more complicated things?

One way or another will train you. To give you a practical example of the wrong way to do things my ex used to kneel down in front of my Chesapeake Bay Retriever, Ricky, and give him what were supposed to be commands like “Sit.”

I love her to death to this day, but obviously we had issues or else we never would have split up. One of them was this which at first glance may not appear a big deal. But again, consider. When I told Ricky to sit, he sat the first time. If he didn’t I made him sit. There are ways to do it. He learned fast that when I told him to sit, sitting was not optional but mandatory. This is why it’s called a command.

When my ex told my dog to “Sit, …sit, …sit,” wash rinse and repeat fifty times she was teaching the dog he didn’t have to sit when she told him to sit. He would eventually sit but only when he wanted to.

I have a philosophy that may strike some as odd for a naval officer. I never issue commands to human beings. I explain consequences. For instance, I would never say, “Don’t touch that hot stove.” Instead I say, “If you touch that hot stove you’ll get burned and it will hurt. But you do what you want to do.”

When things turn out like I said they would that establishes my authority.

So I tell my ex that by giving the dog multiple suggestions, not commands like they are defined in the text books, she was teaching the dog it’s ok not to obey her. He can sit whenever he wanted. And that convinced him she wasn’t his boss, but he was her boss.

At this point you need to know something about the breed. Chessies will break ice to retrieve your ducks and not even a griz will get in their way. They were the partners of Chesapeake baymen who didn’t keep pampered pets but working dogs. Working dogs that would retrieve ducks or jump in the water all night long to help with the fishing nets. Then guard the boat and the equipment all day long when the bayman took his haul to market to sell.

Chessies are basically the bull mastiffs of retrievers. You don’t want them to get away from you. They are good dogs IF you establish control early and maintain it. My ex was systematically undoing this.

So, I was recalled after 9/11. One evening she’s on the phone with someone and decides to continue the conversation on the backyard deck. Ricky is lying in front of the sliding glass door. So she nudges him with her toe. She doesn’t kick him, mind you, she just nudges him.

And he launches at her and asserts his dominance. And, BTW, mauls the f**k out of her arm which she used to defend her throat. I have no doubt if Ricky could have gotten to her throat she would have been killed.

I was in Maryland at the time for a conference when I got the word. Fortunate, as if I had been at my duty station in Japan there’s no way I would have been granted leave to deal with the situation. But since I was already back in the states I received permission to stop by and take care of things. Naturally my way of dealing with the the situation was then, and like me now, simple. Kill the dog. I will not tolerate a vicious dog.

My ex begged me not to put the dog down, blaming herself (not without reason, although her reasons for blaming herself and the real reasons why the dog did what he did were two wildly different things). So we returned the dog to the breeder and she put him down.

My ex did not know this, but while she thought she saved Ricky from the needle she didn’t. I let her think that. It turned out that his dam, his mother, was also prone to “rage syndrome.” Some dogs have it; it’s genetic and nobody can do anything about it. It can be controlled to an extent but only by an owner who is willing to be a firm disciplinarian. Which my ex wasn’t.

So, hopefully I’ve dispensed with the dog thingy. Suffice to say if you fancy yourself a leader of men in combat show me your dog.

Which leaves us with the Jews. I think the first most influential Jew in my life needs no introduction. He was a carpenter from Galilee. Talk amongst yourselves if you need to figure it out.

The second was the Chicago school economist and author of “Free to Choose,” Milton Friedman.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_L69YcXsdEg

“Milton Friedman Speaks: Who Protects the Worker? (B1237) – Full Video”

Devout capitalist though I am, I can’t imagine on what planet it makes sense to kill your competitors customers. I was in the hospitality business. Having competitors was the lifeblood of my industry. I would establish places where I had as many kthat I could find. Those places were known as entertainment districts. The draw was, maybe someone didn’t know about my restaurant. So they came down for the burger joint down the street or the bar kitty corner from my place, saw it, tried it out, liked it, came back, and told their friends.

Second, you really don’t want to get a reputation for poisoning customers, either your own or another establshment’s (which if you have a head for business are your potential customers) and killing people.

I have no hard statistics on on the “no poisoning paying customers” rule. Apparently nobody keeps track of this as it is SO F***ING OBVIOUS. QED.

I threw that last sentence fragment in for the lawyers. Based on their pathetic defense against the Gibson family I’d wager to bet that Oberlin college grads don’t graduate with the ability to speak in complete sentences because the people running that asylum aren’t able to form complete sentences themselves.

But again I digress. I certainly believe that some people get their jollies by poisoning, inserting razor blades, needles, etc., into Halloween treats. You can’t swing a dead cat in most metropolitan areas without hitting a sicko whose natural habitat is being the featured celebrity on “To Catch A Predator.” Which BTW I used to love to watch. There are some crimes people commit where I have some sympathy for the criminal. Like the former Sailor who returned to his destroyer dead, knocked-out drunk and accidentally launched a torpedo in port. He was so, so sorry. And I believed him. Besides, it’s not easy to launch a torpedo (it didn’t arm of anything but just sank to the bottom and was recovered by EOD divers). So it had to be a team effort at a minimum. And who the f*** let this guy on the bridge instead of taking care of a shipmate and strapping him into his berth.

Questions. I have questions.

But I digress. Without evidence, say in the form of statistics on convictions, I’m less inclined to believe the rumor is true when it comes to businesses. I’m open to the possibility. But without evidence I put it in the category of urban legend.

texansamurai | July 6, 2019 at 10:39 am

her actions far exceed a ” prank “–am tired of enduring the transgressions of these bbs and having no recourse other than having to ” live with it “–like the recent doxxer, make an example for all the wannabes–lock her up for a couple of years

regards canines, 99% of the issues with them are the result of owner ignorance/neglect/awareness–they have been mankind’s faithful companions for eons

Great punishment for this louse: (after jail, a fine and restitution) — take her glasses away for a year.

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