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It’s never over

It’s never over

There is no closure for a Republican win.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmQVgVxmNJ0

It’s never over.

During my time in private law practice, time and time again I saw cases that were lost converted into wins at the last second when the ‘winning’ attorney wasn’t paying attention.

I’ve seen it happen when, after an oral argument in which one side wins, the losing side, at the very last second while people are packing up their bags, throws out a suggestion that the judge grabs onto, and which has the effect of nullifying much of the victory. Or the loser submits a form of Order that has the same effect, and which the Judge signs.

I’ve seen attorneys continue to argue even after the ruling, usually to no avail. But it presents a danger that needs to be watched.

I remember winning a big case in federal court in Louisiana and grabbing the client and saying, let’s get out of here before the judge changes his mind.

After a ruling in my favor, I knew to pay even more careful attention, not less attention.

It’s something I teach my students.

It’s something Republicans need to internalize and organize. Democrats, unsatisfied with a result, will try everything in their power to subvert it after the fact. The past two years have been an unrelenting attempt to subvert the 2016 election by any means necessary.

And it’s happening in Florida now.

The lesson is that there is no closure for a Republican win. Be as much on guard for subversion after you think you’ve won as you did before.

Democrats got a jump on Republicans in the post-victory fight. I think Rick Scott and Ron DeSantis will be okay, but it’s not a sure thing.

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Comments

I do not have any data to support this, but I can’t remember a last minute shift in voting results changing to the R, it is always to the D. Am I wrong?

    Awing1 in reply to Romey. | November 9, 2018 at 10:32 pm

    There was a small election at the end of 2000 that ended up going at the last second for Republicans. It was for an executive position, but I can’t remember which one … maybe a state or local one? No, that can’t be right.

      HarvardPhD in reply to Awing1. | November 9, 2018 at 11:00 pm

      The 2000 presidential election had already broken for the Republican. There was a determined effort, by mining solely those precincts which had gone for Gore, to attempt to overturn the result (which had already been reconfirmed in two recounts). It did not succeed only because the Supreme Court finally put an end to the nonsense. It is flagrantly dishonest to attempt a recount solely of those votes which might favor one candidate. (Consult any basic textbook on statistics regarding ‘data mining.’)

        “had already”

        At what point? At the “last minute”? Like the comment I’m responding to made their claim about?

          Voyager in reply to Awing1. | November 9, 2018 at 11:46 pm

          The initial count went Bush. It was only when they tried to count all of the “hanging chads” “pregnant chads” and “double votes” that Gore started to close.

          Thing it, hanging chads, pregnant chads and double punches are caused by spiking the ballots; a form of vote tampering where the tamperer takes a stack of punch card ballots and punches a spike through the whole stack. It tends to only bulge the ones on the bottom, and will often leave chads stuck, unless they take the time to clean them up individually. It also generates a goodly number of double votes, when one has swept up a random enough stack of ballots.

          Of course, because Florida’s chain of custody and counting transparency world countries look secure, the evidence is destroyed in the process of counting the ballots.

          So, of course Florida would have someone who was already convicted of destroying votes running the Broward County elections.

          HarvardPhD in reply to Awing1. | November 9, 2018 at 11:51 pm

          Bush was ahead when the first count was done, albeit by a hair. Even though the networks somehow “forgot” that Florida was one of those states in two time zones—and had called the state for Gore before the panhandle was done voting. Amazing: they all made the same mistake, and it may well have suppressed the evening vote for Bush. Nonetheless, he was ahead at the end of Election Day, he was ahead after the automatic recount, and he was ahead after a hand recount of selected counties (Palm Beach, Broward, Dade, and I think Duval). That’s when election officials began trying to ascertain the intentions of voters whose intentions couldn’t be ascertained from their votes.

        Shadow5 in reply to HarvardPhD. | November 10, 2018 at 6:18 am

        Two notes in regard to your post. 1)The media had tryed to call Florida for Gore in 2000 before the polls had closed. 2) The mining for votes happened in the same two counties as our current mess. Coincidence? I think not.

      txvet2 in reply to Awing1. | November 10, 2018 at 12:15 am

      Your basic premise is, was, and always has been a lie.

      Awing … all of the last minute changes in Florida went towards the democrat. It just didn’t end up being enough cheating to push them over the finish line.

      Milhouse in reply to Awing1. | November 10, 2018 at 10:04 pm

      You recall incorrectly. Each recount had Bush ahead, but by a steadily decreasing margin. Exactly as Romey suggests, the post-election votes were all for Gore. Had the Supreme Court allowed the recounts to continue, I have no doubt that eventually Gore would have won.

    AmandaFitz in reply to Romey. | November 10, 2018 at 10:15 am

    What has happened in the 2018 election in Harris and Ft. Bend Counties makes more sense now. The GOP is always a day late and a dollar short- Soros money has been funding local district attorneys and judges races for several years, in order to skew election results.
    The Dems plan way ahead and put in place officials who can affect the outcome of elections.

    If they cannot win elections by attraction, they will steal them through corruption- people voting absentee in one state and in person in another, non-citizen voting (especially in states with large populations of illegal immigrants), absentee ballots being stolen and filled out by institutional “caregivers” (see Ken Paxton’s recent charges in Texas), etc.

    Both Chris Kobach and Catherine Englebrecht (True the Vote) have tried to warn about the corruption of the vote, but look how the Obama Administration sicked federal agencies on Englebrecht (the IRS, ATF, etc.). The GOP needs to get a handle on this BEFORE the 2020 election because the Dems are already working to steal that election- especially in TX, MI, AZ, FL. THIS IS NOT A JOKE!

Yeah, they might do something crazy like count all the votes.

    Barry in reply to Awing1. | November 9, 2018 at 11:40 pm

    Yeah, they might do something crazy like count all the manufacture votes.

    FIFY, commie.

    Colonel Travis in reply to Awing1. | November 9, 2018 at 11:56 pm

    Hey moron – in 2000 just like today, Florida had deadlines to meet when counting votes. This was set by the legislature. You cannot go past the deadline, which is what the (D) party tried to do then, which is what the (D) party is trying to do now.

    This year, Broward County violated state law with early voting and mail-in votes. Last year Broward County let non-citizens and felons vote. This year, a judge ruled that Broward County illegally destroyed ballots in 2016.

    This year, Palm Beach County blew off a court order to turn in votes on time and it also banned cameras from recording the counting.

    (D)s are addicted to power so much they will break the law to get it. Why this doesn’t scare the hell out of you, I don’t know but you’re one of those tools who thinks tyranny is noble.

    txvet2 in reply to Awing1. | November 10, 2018 at 12:11 am

    Yeah, I have to admit. You leftists cheat good. It comes from not having a conscience or a soul.

    No republican has any problems with the votes which were actually cast, only once, by actual living voters, within the proscribed by law voting period, being counted, within the time period mandated by law.

      Every other county except Broward seems capable of processing the voting by the deadline. Broward County, run by Democrats, can’t even come close. They can’t even account for how many votes were cast never mind actually tabulating the results on time. Once the polls close, why wouldn’t they know how many voters voted?

      Everything about this reeks of corruption. From Joe Biden predicting the day before that Trump would declare the elections stolen to the lawyers called in by the Dems to destroy evidence, delay process and create a fog bank of confusion. And once again, everyone reading from the same script using the same arguments and key catch phrases simultaneously, like robots connected to the same CPU.

      This was all rigged from the start. They withheld ballots until they counting was almost complete and when it was clear they were losing, they kept “finding” uncounted ballots for days. How stupid do we have to be to buy this? AGAIN?!?! From top to bottom, things are rotten in America.

    MaggotAtBroadAndWall in reply to Awing1. | November 10, 2018 at 9:30 am

    In 2008, 2.9 million people voted in Minnesota. The day after the election, Republican Norm Coleman led Stuart Smalley in the Minnesota Senate race by 725 votes.

    Smalley sent an Army of Democrat activist lawyers to steal the election. After the first canvassing, Coleman’s lead dropped to 206 votes. The Democrat activists refused to give up. They litigated and fought the election results for months. Eight months after the election, they had manufactured enough votes to declare Smalley the winner by 312 votes.

    While Smalley’s lawyers were manufacturing votes, a group called Minnesota Majority began investigating claims of voter fraud. They looked at voter rolls and criminal records and found that 1099 convicted felons had unlawfully voted. As of 2012, 177 people had been convicted of fraudulently voting in that election and another 66 were awaiting trial. The bar for convicting someone of voter fraud is so high in most states you almost have to catch them marking the ballot AND prove they intended to commit fraud. When caught, most say that just assumed that because they were allowed to vote it must have been lawful. That negates the intent requirement and the charges are dropped.

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/york-when-1-099-felons-vote-in-race-won-by-312-ballots

    In PA, 100,000 non-citizens used the state’s “Motor Voter” law to illegally register to vote.

    That 100,000 figure is NOT an estimate based on some hypothetical model output using sketchy assumptions. That’s verifiable, objective, empirical data. It’s unclear how many actually voted. But if caught voting unlawfully, all they have to do is say that because they were allowed to register to vote, they assumed they could vote lawfully. Paragraph 65 here discusses it and provides a link to the Commissioner’s public testimony.

    https://publicinterestlegal.org/files/1-PA-Complaint.pdf

    Here is an estimate: Survey finds 2 million non-citizens illegally registered to vote
    https://www.patheos.com/blogs/geneveith/2017/02/survey-finds-2-million-non-citizens-illegally-registered-to-vote/

    In Texas, a former Democrat Party leader allegedly paid people to commit voter fraud:
    https://www.star-telegram.com/news/politics-government/election/article220540115.html

    Twelve employees of a Democrat-linked group charged with fake, fraudulent voter registrations:
    https://apnews.com/6b71a926cb624a209851b41ac616b184?utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=AP

    Dead voters casting ballots in Colorado:
    https://denver.cbslocal.com/2016/09/22/cbs4-investigation-finds-dead-voters-casting-ballots-in-colorado/

    I wonder why your party pretends voter fraud doesn’t exist?

regulus arcturus | November 9, 2018 at 10:33 pm

2A

They are sneaky. Democrats never quit. Best fighters ever.

That is my very strong impression as well.

Look, as long as we allow all these flaky forms of voting, the system is going to continue to be subject to flagrant abuse. The mistake is believing that it is so important to let every last vote be counted that the integrity of the election is compromised. This is backwards. The most important thing about an election is that its result should be trusted; if some voters can’t be bothered to turn up on election day, or their ballots are improperly filled out, or filed late, that is their problem. The integrity of an election should not be compromised just so the very last vote cast can be wrung out of a few voters who haven’t taken care to vote properly. An honest election is more important than one which tries to achieve the impossible goal of exactly capturing the intention of every last citizen eligible to vote. This is truly a case of the best being the enemy of the good.

    By “honest” here, you seem to mean “quick”. An honest election captures the vote of every citizen eligible to vote that casts one. Sometimes that takes time. The problems in Florida honestly have nothing to do with this, the problems in Florida are incompetence on the part of, in particular, the Broward County elections supervisor. Arizona is taking a while, and there are some small skirmishes over how to go about counting which ballots, but at a local level, it’s been mostly amicable, with even the lawsuits being settled within hours. I like Rick Scott, I’m not a huge fan of DeSantis, but if he comes out of this the governor, he needs to do what Scott should’ve done 8 years ago, and lead a professionalization of the county election system in Florida.

      Olinser in reply to Awing1. | November 9, 2018 at 11:24 pm

      No, by ‘honest’ we mean ‘following the fucking law’. Which they are EXPLICITLY NOT DOING, in multiple different ways.

        Awing1 in reply to Olinser. | November 9, 2018 at 11:40 pm

        “We”?

        Your claim doesn’t follow from the claim I’m responding to at all, which is explicitly about changing how we currently do things, i.e., changing current law.

        Please try to read and understand the arguments before you respond, it’ll be less embarrassing for you if you do, and waste less of everyone else’s time.

      Barry in reply to Awing1. | November 9, 2018 at 11:42 pm

      “The problems in Florida honestly…”

      Commies using the word “honestly” in the same fashion they always have, while murdering 100+ million people.

        Awing1 in reply to Barry. | November 9, 2018 at 11:45 pm

        What is it you think you add to the conversation here? Is this just entertainment for you? A way to make yourself feel good?

          Barry in reply to Awing1. | November 9, 2018 at 11:48 pm

          I have no intention of having a conversation with a thieving commie that believes in murder.

          Go peddle your lies where they believe them.

          Awing1 in reply to Awing1. | November 9, 2018 at 11:51 pm

          So I see my old professor’s blog hasn’t changed one bit over the years. Still just a cesspool of idiots looking to feel good about themselves, rather than actually think for once in their lives.

          A shame.

          elle in reply to Awing1. | November 10, 2018 at 9:50 am

          “An honest election captures the vote of every citizen eligible to vote that casts one. ”

          Typical liberal moron – puts out an argument that is both one dimensional and fanciful and proceeds to act, with all seriousness, as if simply wishing could make it so.

          It always reminds me of the sort of thing you hear from a beauty contestant. “I want to make the world a place where all of the children in the world are happy and no one is every hungry.” [applause]

          Then when someone dares to blow past their fairy dust and propose a meaningful solution, the leftist falls back on what drives their inner being: Everyone who doesn’t see their truth as THE truth is stupid.

          Wash/rinse/repeat. It’s why no on likes you.

          “By “honest” here, you seem to mean “quick”. An honest election captures the vote of every citizen eligible to vote that casts one. Sometimes that takes time.”

          And now we find that Mother Broward was taking so long because she was REWRITING “damaged” ballots into fresh ones away from the prying eyes of election monitors.

          So take your dishonest bullshit and shove it. If this wasn’t a respectable establishment we’d be tossing you through the window.

          Aren’t you the least bit embarrassed?

      “An honest election captures the vote of every citizen eligible to vote that casts one. Sometimes that takes time.”

      You can’t be this naive. And being a leftist, the pattern is you are instead corrupt and using a dishonest argument.

      Yes, your Mother taking her time at work to make sure she gets the annual appraisal right. But.. oh dear.. your mother was worked late on this night for 20 years straight. She has never been past midnight. And its 6am and Ms Sanders says neither Mr Thompson nor your Mom are anywhere to be found. Its looking like they slept through the alarm clock.

      Swing, have you ever thought it odd how you and Mr Thompson are the only gingers in town?

      Oh hey, don’t walk in here with your arrogant ignorance and insult people you dont even know or understand. You’re not smart enough to realize you’re not smart enough. It makes you look silly, and reflects poorly on your teacher.

      Why don’t you apologize to everyone and start again?

    Olinser in reply to HarvardPhD. | November 9, 2018 at 11:27 pm

    Yes. If somebody shows up with a piece of paper scrawled with the words ‘I vote for Bill Nelson’, its not going to be counted.

    If somebody fails to follow basic instructions and does not fill out the ballot correctly, it’s not going to be counted.

    If somebody did not mail their ballot before the deadline, it’s not going to be counted, that’s what a damn deadline means (now if UPS lost or delayed it, it SHOULD be counted).

    If people are IN LINE to vote but are unable to actually cast their votes before it ends, they should be allowed to vote. Show up 1 minute after the deadline, EVEN IF OTHERS are waiting to vote, you will not be able to vote.

    If somebody fills out a ballot correctly for Democrats but leaves the Senate vote blank, ITS NOT A VOTE FOR NELSON.

      Milwaukee in reply to Olinser. | November 10, 2018 at 1:15 am

      “now if UPS lost or delayed it, it SHOULD be counted).”

      I beg to differ. In Colorado a voter could go into an established site, like the DVM office, and there was a box for dropping off ballots. On week end before the election they had volunteers staffing a box a voter could drive up to and drop a ballot in. A trusted person could drop a ballot off for a friend. If a voter trusted UPS, and it was lost, that’s too bad, so sad. Makes it difficult for overseas absentee voters, but at some point, responsibility needs be limited.

“The only way to win a war is to be as nasty as the enemy”. The radical left that controls the Democrat party are ruthless and the GOP will get steamrolled if they don’t return in kind and start playing on the same battlefield. Just like the Terminator, leftists can’t be bargained with; they don’t feel pity or remorse and they will never stop. Negotiation is viewed as weakness; they only understand power.

In Georgia, in two heavily Democratic counties, there were long lines with hours-long waits at pretty much every poll. Erick Erickson, a good friend and consultant to the Georgia Secretary of State (who was running for governor), wrote a post about how elections are done at the county level in Georgia, and how both of these counties had local governments that were controlled by Democrats.

What he failed to mention was how the Georgia legislature had long ago designed the system for appointing members of the Board of Elections in both counties in such a way as to ensure Democrats wouldn’t have control. Those County Boards of Elections have complete autonomy from the county government, and decide all election matters. In one, the legislature had decided that two members of the board must be elected by the county’s Democratic Party, two members must be elected by the county’s Republican Part, and the fifth member must be elected by the first four. So, not controlled by Democrats. In the second, it’s even worse. It two by Democrats, two by Republicans, and the fifth is by the “legislative delegation” of the county. Which includes any state legislator with even a sliver of their jurisdiction in the county. Of course, that results in the fifth member of the BOE in this heavily Democratic county being elected by Republicans. The Georgia legislature made the change in this county about six years ago, when the prior system stopped resulting in a Republican majorty.

Now tell me about the nastiness of Democrats ….

    Barry in reply to Awing1. | November 9, 2018 at 11:46 pm

    “Now tell me about the nastiness of Democrats ….”

    Sure thing. The democrat party is 100% the same as the communists that murdered 100+ million people. They will, and have, and will continue: to murder, cheat, lie, and steal to maintain power.

    Colonel Travis in reply to Awing1. | November 10, 2018 at 12:10 am

    What he failed to mention was how the Georgia legislature had long ago….

    Laughing. Good Lord. When people write LOL I tend to not believe they actually laughed out loud. I assure you, I LOL’d here.

    Ladies and gentlemen, welcome our modern Cincinnatus, fastened to the laws the state legislature – not counting the multiple times commenting above when he told the laws passed by Florida’s state legislature to go jump in a lake.

    Hypocrite much?
    Or are you running on 100% Grade A Stupid?
    I leave it to e-posterity to decide.

    alaskabob in reply to Awing1. | November 10, 2018 at 5:57 am

    You failed to mention how this affected elections. Could it be such a system prevented vote fraud? Where are the stuffed ballot boxes by Republicans? Where were people prevented from voting with thugs at polling sites as seen in Philly? Left always talk “voter suppresion” yet makes fraud easy. Voters fraud won Harry Truman his first local election, LBJ and Illinois and JFK? Need we add more names?

    technerd in reply to Awing1. | November 10, 2018 at 6:46 am

    “Now tell me about the nastiness of Democrats” …

    Another state set up an open primary system designed to have the one dominant party compete with itself in general elections. Then, the aforementioned state ignored immigration law enforcement in order to import a steady stream of voters to ensure their rule into perpetuity.

Exactly what do your lies about Georgia have to do with Democrats stealing elections in Florida?

Sage counsel from Professor J., applicable to both the legal and political realms!

When Governor Walker was having those problems in 2010, Senator Feinstein said “It’s over when we say it’s over.” He is a liberal-socialist-democrat.

    He is not a viable baby… official until a Democrat deems him worthy of life.. office. That is so liberal. A persistent mid-twentieth century progress.

if this shit isn’t stopped forthwith, history will look back can note this as the starting point of our second, and likely last, how civil war.

certain parties would be well served to be *very* careful what they say they want, and what they strive for.

at a certain point, there will be no call backs or do overs.

With that rat sessions gone, we have hope the DOJ will bring these felons to justice.

Just out of curiosity (to all the fine legal talent here) how will the decision of the Supreme Court in Bush v. GORE be applyed in this instance. Will the lower courts bow to precedence? Or will we face a challenge to state law requiring a timely reporting of election results.

Professor, isn’t there grounds for the DOJ to act without launching an endless investigation? Isn’t there precedent for the federal government to step in and oversee elections until states can prove they are competent and honest enough to do it themselves? This is obviously what it seems to be: corruption.

Collecting and accurately counting votes is not complicated. It seems to me that no excuse short of an Act of God is acceptable for these repeated failures. Couldn’t a judge immediately rule on the basis that Broward County has repeatedly demonstrated willful incompetence/negligence and disregard of the law?

If “complicated” becomes a valid excuse, it may be the right time to restore the simplicity of returning to hand counting paper ballots filled in at polling stations by people who show up on voting day. No exceptions. No “vote by mail”.

Requiring voter ID and certifying the integrity of voter registration rolls by a deadline before the voting date would help to clean this up.

BTW, I love the irony of Malibu (and other Hollywood commy nesting grounds) being evacuated for the latest round of “spontaneous” multiple wild fires. This time, it looks grim for many of these homes. Zero containment being reported so far. Adds to the biblical nature of what is happening in America.

Why do we allow corrupt local institutions to corrupt our national institutions?

Throw out the Broward and Palm Beach votes entirely. Warn them to straighten out their corruption before the next election or we’ll just throw them out again.

Just so everyone knows: A consent decree between the DNC and the RNC in 1982 prohibited the RNC from trying to prevent voter fraud. This decree was not ended until December 31, 2017. NOT kidding.

This is why the GOP isn’t skilled in this – because for decades they’ve been prohibited.

Here’s an article I found about it from 2012. Can’t remember where the articles are about its end.

https://freedomoutpost.com/gop-legally-barred-from-fighting-voter-fraud/

I cant’ tell you how many emails I’ve received from readers frustrated with the GOP not being more vocal about obvious voter fraud in this past election. Well, as I discovered today, there is a reason behind it: The GOP is legally barred from it according to a court ruling from nearly thirty years ago.

Bob Unruh writes at WND:

A race-based consent decree negotiated by Democrats against the Republican National Committee a generation ago still has tied the RNC’s hands, and GOP officials could be cited for contempt – or worse – if they try to make sure American elections are clean.

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No. Fact.

The case is the Democratic National Committee vs. the Republican National Committee, originally from 1982.

Democrats alleged Republicans were trying intimidate minority voters in New Jersey and brought the legal action. The RNC, inexplicably, decided to agree to a consent decree before a Democrat-appointed judge rather than fight the claims.

The judge, Dickinson Debevoise, appointed by Jimmy Carter, later retired but decided he would continue to control the case. The decision requires the RNC – but not the DNC – to “refrain from undertaking any ballot security activities in polling places or election districts where the racial or ethnic composition of such districts is a factor in the decision to conduct, or the actual conduct of, such activities there and where a purpose or significant effect of such activities is to deter qualified voters from voting; and the conduct of such activities disproportionately in or directed toward districts that have a substantial proportion of racial or ethnic populations shall be considered relevant evidence of the existence of such a factor and purpose.”

The rest of the agreement essentially requires the RNC to follow applicable state and federal election laws.

I know, silly right? What in the world were the Republicans thinking of when they agreed to this?

They have challenged the ruling by a three judge panel in the 3rd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals. The judges were Joseph Greenaway Jr., appointed by Bill Clinton, Delores Sloviter, appointed by Jimmy Carter and Walter Stapleton, appointed by Ronald Reagan.

The case is now pending before the United States Supreme Court.

Attorney James Bopp of the James Madison Center said, “It is way too restrictive. It prevents the RNC from working with state parties in conducting voter integrity activities. It has been used by the DNC to harass the leadership of the RNC with false allegations of violations of the consent decree.”

Ya think? It is a bit of an unfair advantage when one side can basically manipulate the vote and the other side has legislative handcuffs on, preventing them from even bringing the subject up.

Attorney Cleta Mitchell of the Washington firm of Foley & Lardner said, “The RNC has been completely prohibited from doing anything in ballot security since 1982. The Democrats repeatedly over the years have gotten the RNC officers into court on the weekend before the election.

“What it means is that for 30 years there has been no way to institutionalize, to help train state parties, to work with candidates [on vote fraud prevention issues],” she said.

This is why the Republican have been so adament about pushing for Voter ID laws. This way there is a proper channel for verifying the legitimacy of the voter.

I have previously written about electronic voting machines. While the convenience factor sounds nice, it is the ability for abuse they present that concerns me. Honestly, the states should return to paper ballots where there is a physical, tangible, recorded record of each and every vote.

But to the case at hand, it seems that Republicans have attempted to change the ruling since 2009, but have failed. The question I have to ask is, “Why have we not heard from the Republican party in regards to this matter?”

    So if the consent decree expired 12/31/2017, is the goings on in Broward Co. intended by Dems to be the basis to renew the decree? I.e., a deliberate baiting of the Reps to act and thereby get slapped again, because “black votes matter” or the chair is black therefore “racisim”?

      Close The Fed in reply to MrE. | November 10, 2018 at 12:09 pm

      I don’t think that’s the dems intent right now. It’s transparently to steal the election.

      Pretty sure the decree is now a dead letter…, but I see your point….

While this country has quite liberal voting rules, it seeks to make up for that with transparency. This transparency is accomplished by having campaign observers witness the entire voting process from start to finish as well as requiring adherence to certain milestones by election officials. This does not eliminate vote and voter fraud, but it reduces it to a level which engenders public trust in the process.

However, the process in Broward County, and to a lesser extent Palm Beach County, this year, is that it is NOT transparent. In 2000, we saw the first two recounts [the remaining six which were done by various organizations, including the news media were not publicly done, even though they produced essentially the same results as the official recounts did]. So, we all saw the ridiculous lengths that the Democrats went to to gain votes. So, we are left with a whole lot of suspicious behavior on the part of the election officials without any explanation. Add to that the historical record of trailing Democrats benefiting more heavily from recounts and other ballot counting measures, and even more red flags go up.

Yjere may be no ballot fraud going on. It may only be total incompetence. But, until the operation becomes transparent, it is suspect.

Yup. You dont celebrate while the positions the missiles were launched from remain intact. Israel knows this.

We keep letting the Left get up off the mat. We’re much like Sessions, still living in an age where you pull the guy up and carry each other to the bar for drinks.

This is not the same Left wing of our father’s generation. They are Marxist scum who dont give a damn about the constitution or the country. They are no longer our countrymen (Subtoi).

We’re going to have to kill them, sorry. If you make peace with them they will just redouble the long marcb through the Rhineland, then Alsace and Lorraine, then the Sudetenland and Czechoslovakia, Poland.

Except this age of technology is faster. We won’t wake up and find the will to act in time.

So sick of this BS. It really is the stuff that civil wars are made of. Awing will be the first to cry like a little girl when the the shooting and looting starts. He’ll cry for law and order, the same law and order he and his virtue signalling friends spit on with regards to immigration, voting, due process for Kavanaugh, spying on American citizens etc. Such a joke these people are. I wish we could just ship these useful idiots off to their socialist paradises now, so the rest of us could live in peace.

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