Sorry, #NoMoreBoysAndGirls, Biology is Not on Your Side
“Theybies” is what this new parenting technique is called.
I’m still having a difficult time wrapping my head around this one.
There exist parents that are attempting to raise their children as gender neutral, thus allowing them to choose their own genders later in life. “Theybies” is what this new parenting technique is called.
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— BBC (@BBC) July 28, 2018
I’m not entirely sure when biologically defined genders fell out of grace, but the refusal to teach children how they fit into the world around them seems ill-advised.
Men and women are different. Biologically and in countless other ways. There’s no harm in acknowledging and appreciating this basic fact of life, there is harm in pretending otherwise.
To the issue of gender identity and whether it’s fluid or even negotiable, I turn to the expert on this — Jordan Peterson.
In a discussion on gender identity and whether it’s subjective, Peterson said:
“Identity classification is actually a socially negotiated process and that’s the thing about your identity, the idea that identity is a subjective construct — it’s like, and I’m being literally truthful about that — that’s what two-year-olds think and that’s why they can’t play with others. Two-year-olds are egocentric and they cannot expand their conception of the world to include the minds of others, they don’t really learn to do that until between two and four, and by the way, if they don’t learn that by four, they never learn it.
…Your identity is actually part of the public commons and the idea that it’s your subjective determination is so primordially wrong psychologically, it doesn’t even register.”
In a separate interview, Peterson elaborated, explaining that (at least at the time of the interview), he’d heard from 30 transexual individuals, those who’ve gone through transition surgery, and 29 out of the 30 agreed with him.
“The idea that gender identity is independent of biological sex is insane. It’s wrong. The scientific data are not only clear, they’re clear beyond dispute. It’s as bad as claiming that the world is flat, in my estimation. Having said that, there are masculine women and there are feminine men.
…Identity is a set of tools that you use to operate in the world and if those tools don’t function, you don’t have a functional identity. It isn’t just something that you put on because you feel that way, it has to be something that other people know how to respond to or you will become completely alienated.
…It’s narcissistic to the core.”
Peterson has discussed at great length how the most egalitarian societies amplify gender differences, how (all backed by scientific studies) job preference, even in the most progressive countries, is often dictated by gender, not because of social norms, but because of personality traits that serve most of each gender. Namely, agreeableness.
Further, to forcibly change any society’s agreed upon gender roles would require a measure of tyranny; requiring some to assume professions or roles with which they’re not naturally inclined.
His arguments are far more detailed and well reasoned than the excerpts and summaries provided above.
Parents have a responsibility and obligation to grow, encourage, and teach their children to be the best people they were created to be. Part of knowing how to survive and thrive in the world is knowing, understanding, and being able to navigate the world around you.
Seems a horrible disservice to deprive a child of the framework they need to properly function in their environment.
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Self-aggrandizing and self-congratulatory Leftists won’t let anything get in their way, when it comes to strutting about to promote the latest Leftist fashion statement trends du jour – not science, not facts, and, certainly not rationality or common sense.
At the end of the day, this behavior is rooted in nothing more than pathological narcissism and vanity, as well as smug notions of self-perceived moral superiority.
Not socializing your children is a guarantee they will live a failed life without friends or accomplishment.
I am not condemning gay or trans people. The Reality is that not socializing straight children is just as debilitating.
Seems a horrible disservice to deprive a child of the framework they need to properly function in their environment.
Fortunately, parents actually have little to say about it.
As we all know from experience, learning to ignore what Mom says and what Dad hates is a normal part of growing up.
“Seems ill-advised.” “…there is harm in pretending [men and women are different….” “Seems a horrible disservice.”
You are dancing around the obvious – it is a form of CHILD ABUSE.
To do this to a child is to damage their ability to grow up and become a functional human being, to understand the uniqueness, the individuality, of that child, and robs them of the ability to even say at the most basic level who and what they are.
“I am a boy.” “I am a girl.” Those are simple, basic sentences all toddlers say, and need to say.
This man, Jordan Peterson, is absolutely correct: “…The idea that gender identity is independent of biological sex is insane.” And these insane people are psychologically abusing their children.
“‘Seems ill-advised.’ ‘…there is harm in pretending [men and women are different….’ ‘Seems a horrible disservice.’
You are dancing around the obvious – it is a form of CHILD ABUSE.”
A.Freaking.Men. Couldn’t have said it better myself. So I won’t.
I’m all in favor of allowing children to participate in activities that actually interest them, and that they enjoy, without regard to whether these are usually male or female interests. Boy wants to dance? Fine. Girl wants to build things? Fine. But they’re still boys and girls.
Outrage and namecalling never ingratiated anyone to another’s point of view.
I’m not dancing around anything here. In fact, I quoted extensively someone who has far more knowledge authority than I as calling this line of thinking “insane” and those who believe society bends to their feelings about identity as “narcissistic to the core.”
I’m not entirely sure how much more straightforward I can be than that without levying accusations I’m not prepared to make given the fact that I’ve never spoken to this particular set of parents.
Because of what I’ve encountered throughout my life, I return again and again to an observation by Frederich Douglass: “It is easier to build strong children than to repair broken men.” Considering what’s taking place in may segments within our society, it appears that there will be much and very arduous repair needed in the future.
Articles such as this one and the regular ones about happenings on college campuses point to this being so. How to find a way out of this quagmire is beyond me.
Lord, help us, as we seem unable to help ourselves!
the mentally ill should not be allowed to raise children.
that is all.
And how then are we defining “mentally ill?” Would anxiety and depression (two of the most common mental health issues) disqualify those afflicted from parenthood? Should those with physical illnesses that might traumatize those around them also be precluded from parenthood?
I’m certainly not defending parents who choose to live in a dream world where gender is fluid and biology means nothing, but before we start championing punishment of the mentally ill, perhaps we should understand a bit more about mental health and also that in a vast majority of cases, mental illness is treatable, just like other forms of health.
While I admire your optimism, our mental health profession is where physical medicine was before van Leeuvenhoek discovered wee beasties. My favorite grad school lesson (admittedly, vastly out of date) was a classic “treatment / control” study in which a widely respected psychologist carefully examined a large number of psychotherapeutic subjects. In the control group, about a third got better, a third got worse, and a third stayed the same. But in the treatment group, a third got better, a third got worse, and a third stayed the same. The resultant hypothesis was (among other things) that perhaps the people might have fallen into a different group if they underwent treatment. Recent experience has convinced me that psychology and psychiatry haven’t improved much, save that they are now making far more profits for pharmaceutical houses than they used to. With similar outcomes and often horrid side effects.
As to punishing parents – the actual source of your response – it’s hard to understand the intimations of that notion. All parents are awful, with very rare exceptions. We certainly don’t mean to be, but humans aren’t very good at raising their young. But it all works out in the end. Fortunately for the idiot parents adhering to some social – identity model requiring gender-neutral projections, the rest of society will rapidly bring those kids into reality. Can’t say that will help the parents join, however.
Do you plan on continuing to attack people, going of tangents, and not addressing the real arguments presented?
Because everyone of your comments does just that.
I think people posting here are doing the right thing: ignoring you and listening to experts like Jordan Peterson. And I hope they continue to do so.
Sex neutral. They hope to change gendered attributes, including physiology through medical corruption and sexual orientation through indoctrination.
A colorful clump of cells to be molded and transformed to what they deem worthy (i.e. selective-child); otherwise, off with her head, arms, etc, literally. Basically, they are doing with sex denial and gender conflation what they did with diversity or color judgments that deny individual dignity — a progressive form of racism, sexism, etc., and, of course, Planned Parenthood legalized under the Twilight Amendment and normalized through social progress.
There exist parents that are attempting to raise their children as gender neutral, thus allowing them to choose their own genders later in life.
Why do I have a feeling these parents will be disappointed if the girls choose to be women, and the boys choose to be men?
“Bill, where did we go wrong?”
“I don’t know, Jessica, I don’t know.”
That is why I loathe the term “pro-choice”. They expect you to choose abortion, not life.
Who knew that mental illness was contagious?
It’s not only contagious. It’s also heritable. You never learned about insanity? You get it from your kids.
“to forcibly change any society’s agreed upon gender roles would require a measure of tyranny”
That’s exactly what they are trying to put in place. If you can be arrested for using the wrong pronoun, when you could not possibly have known in the first place that it would be considered wrong, you can’t call it freedom.
This seemingly harmless linguistical denial of reality is what leads to “words are literally violence”, greenlighting actual violence in response to speech they hate.
“There are four lights” – Picard being tortured until he pretends there are five.
“The torture scene in this episode is nearly verbatim from Nineteen Eighty-Four’s “2 + 2 = 5″. In the novel, the slogan is a primary example of doublethink, the ability of the totalitarian ruling party to exert such control they can even make people admit obvious falsehoods. Sensory evidence – or in the case of the novel, analytic truth – is internalized as insanity, and external statements are internalized as true, even when the subject isn’t actually insane. The captors are showing their strength not just by forcing the captive, but by forcing reality itself.”
It’s becoming harder to not just admit that leftists are actually motivated by what is evil and most destructive to society and mankind
Research done on monkeys:
Male monkeys prefer “boy” toys.
Another interesting aspect is that apparently bell curves for men tend to be narrower, Which means there are more men at the high end and low end ( the “tails” ) of the curve. Which means there will be more men capable of being CEOS thus more male CEOs.
This is where you end up once you accept the notion that all those alternatives out there to heterosexuality are perfectly normal.
Making a yellow stream off a bridge is one of the greatest of things, well that and writing your initials in the snow. Screw ’em.
Chastity Bono, that’s what you end up with.
These parents are screwing-up their kids, and as a result their kids will be less successful in life. But that is OK. Just consider it to be “Evolution in action”.
Marxism requires that humanity be infinitely malleable by our environment — that’s why the Soviets pushed Lysenkoism and had famines while Mendelian genetics led the west to ever-increasing harvests. Lysenko believed giraffe’s got long necks by stretching real hard, and so, by forcing people to live as communists, they’d someday develop a people that would like living as communists. It never worked.
This is drawn from the same impulse. There are leftists objecting to evolution by natural selection on the basis it’s “heteronomalist”, and demanding that science give homosexuality equal weight in evolutionary processes.
Reality isn’t conforming to their delusions, and they are retreating into wilder and wilder fantasies as a result.
Yes, you can “tame” a tiger with a whip and a cage. But you will never remove the need for the whip and the cage because the tiger is a tiger.
Don’t worry, leftists don’t have many kids.
“I’m still having a difficult time wrapping my head around this one.”
The simplest explanation is that this is Massachusetts, in this case Cambridge MA… perhaps the most bizarre place on the planet.
It isn’t just the “theybies” who are affected. How confusing for their classmates, trying to make sense of the world around them. I have teen age children in Cali-land who all know multiple classmates who identify as gay, lesbian, transsexual and even non-binary. It is considered normal. However that self-identification didn’t start until Junior High. To begin school with classmates like this – how will the younger generation be able to make emotionally healthy choices about something they’ve been taught is OK? The slope is slippery – in ten years what will school be like for my littlest grandchildren?
Homeschool. That’s the answer. Or move. We did both.
And I’m not kidding. Subjecting developing minds to this insanity is damaging.
K-12, and never looked back. Boy, oh, boy, am I ever grateful we did, too.
That “self esteem” parenting thing worked out so well, lets try “theybies”….if we though kids were screwed up today, wait 20 years…….
Here is a more extensive interview (quite good, in fact) in which JP goes into detail about gender identity and so on:
These poor kids.
This story PROVES , Once Again, Liberalism IS a Mental Disorder. Those parents should lose custody of their children and sent into a Mental Facility !!
Early human evolution resulted in males developing physical attributes that helped them to hunt, and females developing physical attributes that helped them to gather.
It was more complicated but there you have it.
I feel a deep urge to go shopping, seriously, and I realize it is part of my fundamental human female nature.
These theybaby parents should be given a Darwin award.
The only real question is, how long does the progression take? From
1. It’s a fringe activity, to
2. It’s normalized in schools, on college campuses, and many other public institutions, to
3. Tremendous social pressure to comply, to
4. Criminal penalties for non-compliance (and then the “child savers” come and take your kids away)?
Somehow I suspect much of this is downstream from gay marriage being mandated by the Supreme Court (“Yes, of course it’s there, it’s just been hiding in the penumbras!”) rather than being decided through the democratic process.
In any case, it seems unlikely that we’re anywhere near peak gender confusion.
You can pretend and you can mutilate their bodies, but until they can modify the difference in their DNA, we will still make the distinction.
This is just “sick” on so many levels. It amazes me how the LBTQ community has so much power to manipulate society. How can 1-2 % of the population can cause havoc amongst so many “intelligent,” college-educated people? I fear for my 14 year old granddaughter. In 4 years she will be eligible to attend a college – but which ones will be “safe” for her to be what she is – a lovely, feminine girl. And what kind of crazy society will she then live in, if boys can be girls and girls can be boys. I’m actually thankful I won’t live long enough to see it.
Interestingly, the LGBTQ community is divided over this. Gay activists bristle at the idea that identity is so easily chosen because it runs contra to their belief that sexual preference is ingrained from birth.
It is the tyranny of the minority, no less tyrannical than that of monarchs. We were fools to listen to them in the first place.
“We just want to be tolerated,” is now, “Join in the honeymoon, bigot!”
Who’s the bigot, the 99% that wants to be left alone or the screaming, preening, degenerates that want to turn their children into an accessory?
I think anyone paying attention realized that “Hillarity’s” “it takes a village” statement was just a precursor to the 21st century version of the Hitler Youth.
To be fair, I think these kids will grow up pretty normal as opposed to the kids I see here in PDX with transgendered dad. Mrs Doubtfire isn’t a movie in these parts.
And they believe that people who see more evidence for Creation than Evolution are “science deniers”!
And they believe that people who don’t believe in man-made global warming are “science deniers”!
Yup. Imagine if the home schooling movement taught 2 + 2 = 5
They would be pilloried 24/7
You obviously mean they would be pilloried 25/8….
What’s the word for giving traction & creedence to a mentally retarded proposition, by seriously debating & commenting on such an article?
I know. Do you?
Children are not an accessory. Get a pet if you feel the urge to mold something to your whim.
Let’s see — chromosomes allow for TWO sex/gender options. Period. End of sentence. Basic biology.
So, remind me again…which group is comprised of Science Deniers?
All this drivel coming from our supposed intellectual “betters” and elites.