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Cat fight! Cohen v Trump

Cat fight! Cohen v Trump

Left-leaning media is obsessed with the Trump Tower meeting

Are you getting tired of this yet? I know I am.

The media obsession with non-stories is tiresome, but because the he-said, she-said is what’s passing for serious news these days (regardless of veracity) we can’t ignore it. So, here we are.

Trump’s former personal attorney Michael Cohen recently claimed that President Trump was aware of Don Jr.’s Trump Tower meeting.

Left-leaning media is obsessed with the Trump Tower meeting. They’re completely, wholly convinced it was during this meeting that Russia collision occurred.

Don Jr. and Jared Kushner met (this was during campaign season) with the hopes of getting dirt on Hillary. When it became apparent there was no dirt, or no smoking gun as they’d been led to believe, they left. The entire encounter lasted 20 minutes.

Cohen’s Claims*

*According to CNN sources. And we all know how accurate those have been lately.

Trump and Don Jr. have both denied Trump knew of the meeting prior to its occurrence. Cohen is now claiming otherwise.

From CNN:

Michael Cohen, President Donald Trump’s former personal attorney, claims that then-candidate Trump knew in advance about the June 2016 meeting in Trump Tower in which Russians were expected to offer his campaign dirt on Hillary Clinton, sources with knowledge tell CNN. Cohen is willing to make that assertion to special counsel Robert Mueller, the sources said.

Cohen’s claim would contradict repeated denials by Trump, Donald Trump Jr., their lawyers and other administration officials who have said that the President knew nothing about the Trump Tower meeting until he was approached about it by The New York Times in July 2017.

Cohen alleges that he was present, along with several others, when Trump was informed of the Russians’ offer by Trump Jr. By Cohen’s account, Trump approved going ahead with the meeting with the Russians, according to sources.

To be clear, these sources said Cohen does not have evidence, such as audio recordings, to corroborate his claim, but he is willing to attest to his account.

And this part is extra fun:

Cohen privately testified last year to two Congressional committees investigating Russian interference in the 2016 election. A source familiar with Cohen’s House testimony said he did not testify that Trump had advance knowledge. Cohen’s claims weren’t mentioned in separate reports issued by Republicans and Democrats on the House Intelligence Committee.

Needless to say…

Trump is not happy

Trump tweeted Friday morning:

“How stupid and unfair to our Country,” tweeted Trump, discussing the media focus on Trump Tower meeting instead of things actually impacting Americans.

Do we have a pool running on how long it will take CNN reporter Jim Acosta to make himself part of this story? Because we should have a pool.

Don Jr.’s Testimony

In May, Don. Jr. testified before the Senate Judiciary Committee, answering a gazillion questions about the Trump Tower meeting.

CNN concluded:

The nearly 2,000 pages of interviews do not appear to contain information that would change the course of special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation into Trump’s team and Russia.

Under oath, Don Jr. was asked: “Did you inform your father about the meeting or the underlying offer prior to the meeting?”

And replied: “No, I did not.”

Really, what more is there to discuss?


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“Because the he-said, she-said is what’s passing for serious news these days (regardless of veracity) we can’t ignore it.”

We’ll just agree to disagree over that one.

No, I’m not getting tired of this. I got tired of it a long time ago. My only real interest in this whole story is to wonder how Trump allowed it to swell up like an ugly infection, as if he forgot he was the president, and thought he had no power to do anything.

I have never cared about these “collusion” allegations because I don’t care if they were true. As far as I’m concerned I’m willing to believe all the allegations are true, because they add up to nothing. Whoever released the DNC and Podesta emails did the US public a favor; while obtaining them was illegal, releasing them was not, so if the Trump campaign, or even Trump himself, was involved in getting them released, good for them.

Now if Trump had asked the Russians to illegally obtain these emails in the first place that would be a problem; but I refuse to believe it, because any competent foreign spy service would have been looking for them as a matter of course. Trumps wishes could not have had any effect on this decision.

My bottom line is simple: the First Amendment recognizes that all people, everywhere have a natural right to the freedom of expression. That includes expressing themselves about elections in any country, including the USA. It is ridiculous to suppose that the election of a US president does not affect the rest of the world, and that everyone outside the US ought to sit on their hands and do nothing as their fate is decided by 100M or so US voters. They have the right to do whatever they can to influence those voters in favor of whichever candidate they think would be best for them, just as we have the right to influence voters in other countries to support candidates we think will be good for us.

So there’s nothing wrong with foreign “interference” in our elections, and thus nothing wrong with US people “colluding” with such “interference”. If some foreigner has information that is valuable to US voters, let them tell us about it so we will be better informed. And if a US campaign persuades them to do it, good for them.

    gospace in reply to Milhouse. | July 27, 2018 at 1:48 pm

    Trump certainly does have the power to stop all this by firing Mueller and everyone working for him.

    Which would promptly be followed by every RINO joining the Democrats in voting to impeach him. And likely convicting him in the senate with the same coalition.

    The fact this could possible result in hot civil war would never occur to them- because they live in bubble where Trump is hated.

      david7134 in reply to gospace. | July 27, 2018 at 2:08 pm

      I don’t think Trump is suffering in anyway from the special counselor. It actually seems to be working for him and the RNC. So why bother with it other than irritate the media with his tweets. Of course, if anyone near him got nailed, all he has to do is pardon them.

      txvet2 in reply to gospace. | July 27, 2018 at 5:45 pm

      He doesn’t need to fire Mueller. All he needs is to haul Sessions and Rosenstein into his office and order them to release ALL of the documentation, unredacted, that has been requested by Congress. That likely would kill the Mueller investigation without firing another shot, and might even lead to a little sunshine about the Clinton cover-up(s).

        Milhouse in reply to txvet2. | July 27, 2018 at 7:20 pm

        And yet he hasn’t done it, which leads me to suspect he doesn’t know he can. Like when he pussyfooted around the Flynn subject with Comey, instead of ordering him outright to drop it.

        Jackie in reply to txvet2. | July 28, 2018 at 7:25 am

        I agree. I am so tired of Trump tweeting for someone to do something. Just release all the stuff unredacted and if Rosenstein lied to the FISA Judge call Sessions into his office and tell him to do his effing job or leave. None of referring it to someone with no powers to prosecute and some close friend of Rosenstein in Montana or Utah. Trump is playing a political game, but more and more of his supporters want to see the documents.

I suspect this will go the way of the CNN Trump tax returns, and the Stormy/NXVID scandal, and the Cohen tapes scandal.

It’s a setup for revealing that the Don Jr meeting was a failed sting.

I have a friend that is Russian, does that mean I broke the law? She is a liberal and we discussed the criminality of Hillary and the DNC. Then I have a 68 year old doctor friend (ob-gyn) and he imports a new Russian every 3 months for about 2 weeks. I guess he is really in trouble. These people either need to tell us what is wrong with the election that Hillary bought and was so incompetent that she lost even a purchased election, or get off the pot.

iconotastic | July 27, 2018 at 2:26 pm

I have never understood what was criminal or even unethical about any meeting with the Russian lawyer. AFAIK, it would only been illegal if the campaign had paid the lawyer for dirt on Clinton (something the Clinton campaign did with Steele and his Russian contacts, again afaik).

    Milhouse in reply to iconotastic. | July 27, 2018 at 5:16 pm

    Even that would not have been illegal. The only conceivable illegality I can think of would be if for some reason the Russians had not already broken into the DNC’s server and Podesta’s email account, and Trump or someone on his team asked them to do so. But it’s inconceivable to me that they hadn’t already done it. If they hadn’t, Putin should fire them for incompetence.

    It’s like when Trump publicly asked Russia to release Clinton’s emails that they had surely sucked off her server before she wiped it with a cloth (and also bleachbit). He wasn’t asking them to get it, he assumed they’d already done so (Comey publicly made the same assumption).

      dmi60ex in reply to Milhouse. | July 27, 2018 at 7:41 pm

      Anyone with half a brain would have figured out the meeting was a set up to get the FISA warrant ( the failed June 2016 warrant request ) Reports are it failed because Trump was included ,Well Trump was not at the meeting .Is that why the first warrant failed ??? Did they try to take too big a bite and decided come back with a different tack, Carter Page. Was that the reason they went after Carter Page , that what they tried on Don Jr Manaforte and Kushner at the meeting failed to cut the mustard??

      Glenn Simpson met with Veselnitskiya before and after the meeting … Fushion GPS and Veselnitskiya had both been working against the Magnitsky act .
      Yeah it was a set up .

Even if Jr. Was hoping to get “dirt” on Hillary, the meeting ended up being about adoption policy. That is what the meeting was “about.” In any event, “collusion” is not a crime, much less “attempted collusion.”

Whose policies are closer to Russia, Repubs or socialist democrats?

Halcyon Daze | July 27, 2018 at 3:40 pm

Left-leaning media? Shirley, you jest. They have correctly been identified as Democrat Mafia mouthpieces.

Walker Evans | July 27, 2018 at 5:46 pm

I wonder who the Left will claim colluded with Trump in order for him to win the 2020 election?

Hillary actually buys dirt on Trump from a Brit who spent 4 years in Moscow and it’s no problem.

Someone on the Trump team allegedly met with a Russian about dirt on Hillary and it’s IMPEACH! TREASON!

I’m so very glad the election turned out the way it did.

If only there were re-education camps available to help our deranged (“D” ranged) friends recover and reintegrate with the rational world.

inspectorudy | July 27, 2018 at 6:06 pm

Here’s my take on this Trump Tower mess. Trump has lied about almost everything that has happened in his past. He has paid off leaches and blackmailers and has had affairs with other women while married to a beauty. But none of it matters because he is getting the job done his way. It is not like anything we have ever seen in the past and probably won’t ever again. Andrew Klavan wrote a great piece about who and what Trump is but the press cannot see it. All they see is hate. We have to realize that Trump has always lied about things because he sees it as not important. Now that he is POTUS he has not changed his old ways. He was a hustler and a showman so what did we expect? He is also doing exactly what he told us he would do!

How did these people swing a preidential election in a twenty minute meeting? Do Progressives ever wonder this? Conservatives would never be debating that Obama was able to have a twenty minute meeting and change a Presidential election. About 20% or more of this country is so completely brainwashed they can’t even examine the story from their own selves.

Sessions should be at the end of a rope: along with all the traitors he is protecting.

I honestly can’t even figure out what I’m supposed to care about here. Someone claims, without evidence, that President Trump was told about an unimportant, routine, and in-no-way-unethical meeting which resulted in nothing. It’s hard to imagine why Cohen would even remember such an insignificant conversation.

Perhaps next we can have a breathless expose of who was involved in President Trump’s request for a second scoop of ice cream. What did the White House Assistant Sous Chef know, and when did he know it?!?!?!?!

Interesting stuff shows up here. On this occasion, we discover that Kemberlee hates cats – especially mobs of cats with Sicilian names like Consigliere and Don.

And we learn right here that conspiring with foreign nations to influence our elections is not against the law, but issuing FISA warrants to electronically monitor these conspirators is completely illegal.

Now the newest Trumpist website would have us believe that Trump’s life began when he was elected president and the many, many writers who memorialized Trumpian misdeeds pre-2017 all lied just like all those women who accused him of sexual misconduct. It is noteworthy that Moonves was put down on just a few complaints, Al Franken left the Senate as a result of a fake photo but Trump gets a pass.on.everything.

    Milhouse in reply to gad-fly. | July 29, 2018 at 10:42 am

    And we learn right here that conspiring with foreign nations to influence our elections is not against the law, but issuing FISA warrants to electronically monitor these conspirators is completely illegal.

    Um, yes. Why would you find that surprising? The second follows from the first. It is completely illegal for judges to issue a search warrant without probable cause to believe it will yield evidence of something illegal. If the thing the subject is suspected of doing is in fact not only legal but the very freedom of expression that the first amendment was enacted to protect, then it follows that it would be a breach of the constitution to issue a warrant over it.