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The Stormy Daniels Story Trump Can’t Shake

The Stormy Daniels Story Trump Can’t Shake

Trump’s alleged affair with porn star Stormy Daniels is back in the headlines thanks to his own attorney, Rudy Giuliani.

This is the story that wouldn’t die.

Trump’s alleged affair with porn star Stormy Daniels is back in the headlines thanks to Trump’s own attorney, Rudy Giuliani.

During a Fox News segment Wednesday night, Giuliani said Trump reimbursed attorney Michael Cohen $130,000 over a period of months. A payment some claim was “hush money.” Guiliani revived the allegations in order to dispell any suspicion of campaign finance impropriety.

Trump has long said he had no knowledge of any payment to Daniels.

Guiliani’s comments caught the White House communications team off guard. According to the Washington Examiner, WH Press Secretary Sarah Sanders learned of the payments from Guiliani’s interview.

“The first awareness I had was during an interview last night,” Sanders said Thursday, a day after former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani, now a member of Trump’s legal team, made the shocking revelation during an interview with Fox News’ Sean Hannity.

…”The White House press office wouldn’t coordinate with the president’s legal team,” Sanders said, disputing one reporter’s suggestion that she was “blindsided” by Giuliani’s comments.

Thursday morning, Trump used his personal Twitter account to provide clarification.

Daniels hired a nasty attorney who is hellbent on keeping the story in the news while Daniels has spent the last several months basking in the limelight. Affair or no, none of this is exactly germane to the happenings and work inside the Oval Office.

If Trump did what he’s accused of, it speaks of character and issues in his personal life, but not necessarily his ability to do his job. And Trump’s supporters certainly don’t seem too rattled by the fact that he’s accused of having a side gig.

Trump may have had an affair with Daniels. He may not have. I don’t really care. Neither scenario would surprise me.

I’m sure I speak for an awful lot of people when I say that unless there is conclusive evidence one way or another, this story needs to die and stay dead. Same with all the Russia collusion stories. So far, that’s all they are — stories. For all the prodding and investigating, not one shred of evidence damning Trump or his associates has been made public.

I’m not defending what Trump has or hasn’t done, but it’s time to put up or shut up.


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Sigh! Fling or not, she’s just another golddigger. I trust President Trump’s attorneys will eventually have their day in court. But we probably won’t hear about that..

Put Hillary in jail and all these legal issues stop. Keep her out and they get worse. Don’t fire Mueller, charge him with illegal activity, same for all these people. What crime? It does not matter, you break at least 5 laws per day just going to work , in the US.

Giuliani said nothing which changes the situation.

A payment could be hush money regarding an event which happened, or it could be extortion money regarding an event which didn’t happen.

Nobody has yet shown that this payment came from campaign funds or any other illegal source.

And nobody has shown that Trump knew much about it. For anyone in Trump’s situation, this sort of tattling or extortion must happen fairly routinely. He pays lawyers to handle it, and the less he has has to do with it personally, the better. Extortionists in particular would just love for their targets to get tangled deeper in whatever-it-is … much as Mueller would love to find a procedural crime when he can’t find a real one.

Trump’s twitter explanation seems like a perfectly reasonable one. Before getting personally overheated I’d wait for some actual evidence. Or I would, if I thought that any of this was of the least importance. Or if I was interested despite its triviality and irrelevance … which I’m not.

Before he became president, I suspect that when bought a suit, for example, he never whipped out cash, a check book or a credit card.
He just told one of his staff to pay the guy, only vaguely awaere of what the price was.

I suspect that Cohen was authorized to settle any claims that had a chance to become a problem later, and that he was to “take the money out of petty cash”, so to speak.

OleDirtyBarrister | May 3, 2018 at 6:11 pm

I’d like to see her federal and state tax returns for 2016, and amended filings that she has made since then. I am quite curious whether and how she accounted for the money for tax purposes.

Is income from extortion a category on any tax schedules you can think of?

Her lawyer, Avenatti, is a swarthy, greasy, disgusting, yuckmouth yankee goombah and loves to run his big mouth. Trump’s team has failed to throw the word “extortion” around in this matter to make them think things over.

I have not checked in on the litigation she filed or the motions and proceedings to compel arbitration, but I am surprised that we have not heard of entry of an order compelling it. Judges are govt employees, and no one goes to work for the govt to work more or harder. Compelling arbitration is a quick way to clear a case from a docket and I have never seen a judge reluctant to order it when there is an arbitration clause in place.

Therefore, I wonder if Rudy’s statements and Trump’s recent statement are being put out there now to draw the sting out of what is to come out in the near future in legal proceedings. It may be because they need to argue in the civil case and Mueller’s investigation of Cohen that Trump: (1) was a client of Cohen; (2) Cohen was acting on his behalf as counsel at all times pertinent and there is an attorney-client relationship and therefore a privilege protecting their communications; (3) Trump was a party to the contract with Clifford through assumed names and paid the consideration to her; and (4) the contract is prima facie valid and enforceable because all elements of a K, including consideration, are satisfied; and (5) therefore the arbitration provision is prima facie valid and enforceable and the court should stay the case and compel arbitration and let all other issues be resolved therein.

JusticeDelivered | May 3, 2018 at 6:13 pm

Personally, I think that Stormey probably needs a new profession, not being very attractive, maybe she has one, blackmail-extortion. Why hasn’t she been charged, and why isn’t her attorney receiving quality time.

Her post extortion career will no doubt be based on a street corner.

It is a shame that she never aspired to greater things, but that is the nature of deplorables.

Ragspierre | May 3, 2018 at 6:13 pm

This is from the newly T-rump-i-fied RedState. So it’s pretty T-rumpish.

There’s a LOT more…


    rdmdawg in reply to Ragspierre. | May 3, 2018 at 8:03 pm

    Yes from that stalwart balls-to-the-wall Trump supporter Joe Squire, the Red State reporter that has been supportive of Trump since the very beginning.

    Get this garbage out of here.

      Ragspierre in reply to rdmdawg. | May 3, 2018 at 8:13 pm

      Gp ahead and show us all where anything there is garbage.

      Are you a prostitute, or just a T-rump whore for free?

        JusticeDelivered in reply to Ragspierre. | May 3, 2018 at 9:01 pm

        From your comments, I thought you were admitting to a close association with Stormy and her business activities.

          Ragspierre in reply to JusticeDelivered. | May 3, 2018 at 9:22 pm

          Your first ASSumption is that you “thought”. You don’t.

          Take on the assertions in the linked piece, you lying SOS.

          JusticeDelivered in reply to JusticeDelivered. | May 3, 2018 at 10:33 pm

          Rags, you went on at length about how successful she was, a producer (apparently encouraging other women to follow in her footsteps), how great her attorney was, how well off she is, and how nice her home is.

          That sure sounds like you have taken great interest in her 🙂

          Personally, I would not toucher her with a ten foot pole, and I find it hard to believe that Trump would, but Bill Clinton, no doubt.

          Ragspierre in reply to JusticeDelivered. | May 4, 2018 at 3:15 am

          See this you just transparently lying.

          I made a…ONE…mention of several facts. What a lying POS.

          And a STUPID lying POS.

          JusticeDelivered in reply to JusticeDelivered. | May 4, 2018 at 8:58 am

          Rags, either your development was arrested, or you must be a tween, how else can we explain your juvenile insults?

        Stormy Ragspierre.

        Or just call him ‘stormy.’

        Arminius in reply to Ragspierre. | May 4, 2018 at 5:37 pm

        I find it amusing that some yellow creature attempted to defend you by claiming it was your critics who descend into the ad hominem. Yet here you are, calling a critic a wh*re and worse. I guess it’s OK when you do it.

        Actually, if you are familiar (this is not necessarily for you, Rags, but for anyone and everyone) per the rules of logic an ad hominem attack is not always a violation. If you are attempting debate with someone who is arguing dishonestly and and bad faith it’s not out of bounds to highlight that.

        I mention that because one of my pet peeves is Shariah. I despise Shariah as a non-Muslim. And believe it or not so do most Muslims who had to live under it. Why do you think they wanted to come here?

        “Iranian Girl Burned Koran”

        It’s amusing in a sick way that when some Florida “pastor” burned a Quran it was a national emergency. GEN Petraeus called him and begged him not to do it. I’m against burning books on general principles. I think everyone should read the Quran to understand how vile it is. I have two transliterations, one by Yusuf Ali and another by Abdel Haleem. I plan on collecting more, just to show idiots that the Muslim excuse that you can’t understand Islam unless you can read Arabic is ridiculous. They’re all basically the same, and besides, if you read the Quran you know that the Quran was “revealed” in Arabic so the Arabs would have not excuse on judgement day. Because otherwise the Arabs would have to learn a foreign language to understand Allah’s commandments, and Allah could not demand that. Then, after being freed from the burden of learning a foreign language to understand revelation, the Arabs invented a religion that demands everyone pray in Arabic.

        But I digress.

        Iranians have long been burning Qurans to protest the theocracy they are forced to live under. It’s murderous. And the people who greenlighted the Iranian nuclear program wanted to convince me that some obscure Florida “pastor” was a threat to national security? Please.

        For the sake of my brothers an sisters in humanity in Iran and elsewhere I would love to debate why I oppose Sharia. But I can’t because the idiots who don’t have an argument and know it just call me a racist, bigot, and Islamaphobe.

        But I’m the one who defaults to ad hominem.

          Arminius in reply to Arminius. | May 4, 2018 at 5:54 pm

          The link I gave isn’t rare. If you search on “Iranian Iran burns Quran Koran” you will come up with many more. And of course many Iranians resent the theocracy of the Mullahs but would never dare to burn a Quran let alone make a YouTube video of it.

          The ones who do post are extremely brave. Like this one.

          “…She says that anyone who defines himself as Persian in Iran should burn this book. ‘By war and by force, the Arab Muslims brought this book, which is why we must burn it. We must send Islam back to where it belongs – to the Arabs.'”

          Which isn’t to say that all the Iranians who are burning their Qurans want to stop being Muslims as they wish to define Muslim. But of course they don’t get to decide.

          But that belongs to the debate I’ll never get to have because I’m a racist bigoted Islamaphobe.

inspectorudy | May 3, 2018 at 6:28 pm

I like what Trump is trying to do with our country but he is not a poster boy for anything that I grew up to admire. I Googled Stromey’s videos and they are not soft porn. They are the most vivid and disgusting videos you can imagine. I’m no prude and spent 5 years in the USMC where these kind of movies were available anytime, but why would Trump want to have anything to do with her? There are multiple guys going at her at one time and you can only imagine what happens then. He was also married to that beautiful first lady and for the life of me I cannot see why Daniels would even come close to her. He has lied about it and now Giuliani has blabbed about it to the world. What does Trump do, he denies it and lies again! I wish we could be cut off from DC and just see the results of his presidency. I cannot adjust to this level of classlessness. I was raised to have higher standards than our president.

    JusticeDelivered in reply to inspectorudy. | May 3, 2018 at 6:42 pm

    Come on, Stormy is not anywhere near good enough looking, and has absolutely nothing else to offer to get attention from Trump. I am sure that he has has on a routine basis much better than this really low class piece of crap.

    redc1c4 in reply to inspectorudy. | May 3, 2018 at 7:11 pm

    Point of order, Marine: you have been told by the #MFM Trump lied. that’s not the same thing as proof that he did.

    Carry On.

      inspectorudy in reply to redc1c4. | May 4, 2018 at 10:06 am

      I truly wish you were right but you are not. Even a millionaire knows when he has to pay his lawyer $130,000 and doesn’t asks what it is for. This is what he is saying. We all know that isn’t true so why does he keep saying it? The old saying about the cover up is worse than the crime is definitely in play here. He wasn’t president when he was involved with this whore, but his statements and actions have made it a much bigger story than it warrants all because he can’t stop talking about it.

        tom_swift in reply to inspectorudy. | May 4, 2018 at 10:15 am

        Sheer speculation. And utter rubbish. When I pay a pro to do a job, I don’t do his accounting for him too. I pay him to do it because I don’t want to be bothered. So I can speculate too. I speculate that there are any number of money-grubbing parasites that Trump doesn’t want to deal with, even though he can afford to. That’s what the hired help is for.

          YellowGrifterInChief in reply to tom_swift. | May 4, 2018 at 10:55 am

          By dint of Trump’s own tweets and statements, he is a liar. He has claimed that he didn’t pay her anything and now he has admitted that he did. That makes him a proven liar.

          Wasn’t it the communists that claimed that the ends justify the means. So welcome to the Communist Party.

          Barry in reply to tom_swift. | May 5, 2018 at 10:26 am

          “welcome to the Communist Party.”

          The banner over the entrance to the grifters workplace.

    rdmdawg in reply to inspectorudy. | May 3, 2018 at 9:11 pm

    I always trot out in response to people pointing out that Trump is a cretin. We don’t care.

    You must have loved clinton, obama and nixon.

    tom_swift in reply to inspectorudy. | May 3, 2018 at 11:34 pm

    I cannot adjust to this level of classlessness.

    You can’t deal with classlessness?

    You must find the burdens of voting heavy, indeed.

    FDR had class. He even smoked his cigarettes with an ivory cigarette holder—the kind you’d see held by obviously classy (and rich) people in Art Deco portraits on the cover of the New Yorker.

    He also shipped tens of thousands of Americans to concentration camps.

    “Class” is overrated. I’ll take some relatively honest buffoonery instead. And I’ll vote for it, too.

      inspectorudy in reply to tom_swift. | May 4, 2018 at 10:02 am

      I don’t think you know what class is. It has nothing to do with fancy accouterments but a lot to do with knowing when to STFU or tell the truth. Trump, in a matter of several days has made more contradictory statements about this nothing burger that is dazzles the mind. It was a dying story until Giuliani stepped in and brought it back to life. If Trump had any class he would just stop making stupid comments about it.

buckeyeminuteman | May 3, 2018 at 6:49 pm

If paying a hooker hush money requires one to leave D.C. the Swamp would have been drained long ago…

12 years ago, someone had sex. I am expected to care about this.

    YellowGrifterInChief in reply to beagleEar. | May 4, 2018 at 11:56 am

    You don’t care that he is a liar? You don’t care that he is a grifter? You don’t want to believe that Trump is wallowing in the swamp?

1st clue this “story” is BS? all the #NeverTrumpers are having the vapors over it.

first she goes around claiming, to anyone who will listen, that she had an affair with Trump. Cohen steps in, and, in exchange for a fee, gets her to sign an NDA AND a letter where she states that there was no affair.

fast forward a few years to the “Fifty Million Dollar Coup”, and someone gets the bright idea that they can break the NDA, score some large Hillary green, and get their 15 seconds of fame from the Left.

they likely thought that the weaponized DOJ & Federal Courts would help, and they have, to a certain extent, but, no matter how you polish a trud, it’s still just a turd.

with any luck, Trump will take her for damages secondary to breaking her contract, seize everything she has that’s worth a dime, then attach her future earnings.

her lawyer needs to be disbarred and fined into oblivion.

Comey, Muller and the rest, OTOH, need to be hung by the neck until dead. that’s the appropriate punishment for traitors.

    Ragspierre in reply to redc1c4. | May 3, 2018 at 7:18 pm

    He is guilty as charged.

    You know it.

    She has a VERY good lawyer, as you’re about to discover.

    She lives in Texas. Texas is a “debtor state”, which means that any judgment he takes against her is pretty much subject to exemptions under the Texas Constitution.

    T-rump, on the other hand, has LOTS of exposure to judgment debt.

    I’ll bet on the Stormy.

      JusticeDelivered in reply to Ragspierre. | May 3, 2018 at 7:59 pm

      It sounds like you know her very well. Not a surprise, birds of a feather 🙂

      Ragspierre in reply to Ragspierre. | May 3, 2018 at 8:06 pm

      Sounds like you’re a lying idiot who can’t read.

      Some more.

      So he had consensual sex with her.

      Or don’t you know what that’s like?

        Ragspierre in reply to | May 3, 2018 at 9:45 pm

        Well, since you asked…

        I’ve never had sex with anyone when I was married besides my wife; T-rump has had sex with several people besides who he’d vowed to be faithful. Mostly, he bragged about it.

        I’ve never had to lie about having sex with anyone. I’ve never paid to suppress anything I’ve done. Mostly because nothing I’ve done would render me a person of low…or no…character.

        I’ve never lied about SEVERAL interactions with women. Because I didn’t do anything with them that was shameful.

        Duh Donald HAS.

          JusticeDelivered in reply to Ragspierre. | May 4, 2018 at 9:42 am

          Rags, many of your posts with juvenile insults are “shameful”, and make it appear that you are one of Hillary’s band of deplorables 🙂

      It used to be defamation when somebody claimed to have slept with a person.

      Now it seems to be defamation when somebody claims *not* to have slept with a person.


      To cover all my bases, I hereby claim that I have slept with every human being in the world. And their pets.

      That should do it. Goodnight everybody.

Insert after someone, ‘possibly’

Let’s see, f¥<k up possible peace with NK, increasenin good ???? ng jobs, economy food r a hooked?


It’s interesting just how worked up liberals are getting about two consenting adults getting it on.

Anyone remember the media getting as frothy mouthed over HRC enabling her husband’s sexual predation??

And therein lies the issue here. One is an act between consenting adults which the media is blowing it’s load over and the other is the media deliberately looking the other way to protect a Democrat (both the wife and no doubt very many affairs the husband had IN the Whitehouse).

Mean while history is about to be made in Korea.

Man when my phone auto corrects it really is ridiculous

It’s “President Trump” honey, please show respect where it’s due.

Trump ‘shook’ this story long ago with everyone who counts. The only people keeping it alive are the never-trumpers and the moronic media and both of those groups are looking more and more foolish every day.

    Ragspierre in reply to rdmdawg. | May 3, 2018 at 8:16 pm

    …but Rudy.

    I guess you’re an elitist who gets to dictate who “counts”.

    You’re about to be shown stupidly wrong. Some more.

      rdmdawg in reply to Ragspierre. | May 3, 2018 at 8:22 pm

      If for some reason you and your morn friends do manage some bullshit and overturn a duly constituted election… you have no idea what storm you’ll unleash. Do you think all of his supporters will just sit by and let you criminals win?

        Ragspierre in reply to rdmdawg. | May 3, 2018 at 8:27 pm

        You can call me all kinds of names, from prostitute to criminal.

        It won’t change the facts, OR the law.

        MAYBE, the end of this sorry, sordid, story enough of you T-rump sucking cultists will still slavishly support him and sear your own consciences.

        Always up to you…

Rdm, the left doesn’t care about the collateral damage this will cause. All they are concerned about is ending Trumps presidency.

Rags is just a very unhappy person. Hatred oozes from his pores.

Best to not acknowledge his postings

You do have to wonder what is the outcome the bimbo and her sleeze of a lawyer really want. For her is it more money from retelling some lurid details of a one-night stand? More face time and publicity for her porn videos? More what?

IMO the lawyer is basically a male Gloria Allred – ambulance chasing, scandal mongering stereotype of nasty lawyer who must think there is a big pay day coming from somewhere. I also wonder who is funding his effort to date – if he’s doing this planning on taking a piece of the pie you have to wonder where does he think that will come from – a defamation suit?

You know, the facts as stated by the Trump organization do fit together. If he was unaware of the exact nature of the ….(what do you call a payment to a blackmailer?) check and contract, that explains why his signature is not on the contract.

All I want to be is so rich that my lawyer can write a $130k payoff to a blackmailing bimbo out of petty cash. 🙂

And I believe the technical term here *is* blackmail instead of extortion, because there was no threat of violence. (although the easily triggered may have fits over the word)

    Ragspierre in reply to georgfelis. | May 3, 2018 at 10:04 pm

    That bullshit ignores the lie that is the central element of this.

    I have expected better of you in the past.

      Barry in reply to Ragspierre. | May 3, 2018 at 10:44 pm

      Oh poor George, ragspee expected better of him.

      You must be hurt George.

        Oh, I’ll live.

        The (supposed) lie at the center of this is:
        Stormy claims she had sex with Trump
        Trump claims he didn’t.

        Somebody is lying. (duh)

        If *I* had a woman falsely claiming that I had sex with her ten years ago, I’d ignore her. I might give her twenty bucks to go away and stop bothering me, but that’s about it.

        Now if I’m worth a few hundred million dollars, I’d have people to do that for me. Trump has Cohen to make this kind of pest go away. He’s done it before. He’s done it often enough he has a canned contract. It doesn’t matter if she did or didn’t do what she’s claiming. Here’s a check, sign here, and go away.

Notice who the hysterical nevertrump cult members always defend –

Hookers and porn stars, because they never lie…

And they have the highest respect for the lawyers that represent them.

Anyone got an idea what the actual crime is here?

It’s most certainly NOT two consenting adults getting it on.

It’s most certainly NOT one of them saying it never happened.

It’s most certainly NOT one of them getting paid a hundy G’s to keep quiet.

BUT it could be a crime if this money was extorted put of Trump??

As I’ve said before the left has lost its mind over this insignificant story of something that supposedly happened a decade ago.

The adults don’t actually gives flying fuck about the story. And the liberals won’t let it go because this is all they have to fuel their hatred.

Again, literally no one capable of rubbing two or more brain cells tohether gives a flying fuck about the story.

You lost the election. End of story. Time to move on and join the rest of the adults in the real world.

In the mean time the Korean war is about to end thanks to Trump.

    Ragspierre in reply to mailman. | May 4, 2018 at 4:24 am

    Obviously, you’re stupidly wrong. Some more.

    T-rump cares about the story enough to pay out big money AND lie. He cares so much that he’s hired a phalanx of lawyers and liars to try to deal with the stink.

      Obie1 in reply to Ragspierre. | May 4, 2018 at 9:08 am

      Dear Max (I assume you are channeling the leftist Robespierre), if your best shot is making fun of a name (T-rump, Der Donald, etc) and attacking people who disagree with you as liars, assholes, and the like, I feel sorry for you. I once thought you had some insightful things to contribute to the forum; now I can only think of you as a clown.

      JusticeDelivered in reply to Ragspierre. | May 4, 2018 at 10:15 am

      Rags, Stormy is an admitted extortionist, her threat to go public before the election had potential to derail Trump’s bid for the presidency, now that he is president she is irrelevant, as are you.

      As I have said before, attractive women are not hard to come by for those with money and power. Stormy is not attractive, so why would Trump even consider her?

Even if true, what is the crime? The only thing i can imagine is prostitution. Would somebody with legal training or a better imagination tell me? Also who really cares except a bunch of sore losers.

    tom_swift in reply to dunce1239. | May 4, 2018 at 6:33 am

    Not a Democrat, and I find their mental processes murky and noxious, so I can only speculate. They may be hoping for an opportunity to launch a legal attack, or, failing that, a political one.

    Hopes of making any aspect of l’affaire Daniels relevant to the last election vanishes with this statement by Giuliani. Possible hanky-panky with campaign funds is the only plausible connection between Daniels and the election the D’rats are still trying to undo. And Giuliani made it a high-profile statement, with plenty of press coverage. He’s been criticized for that, but it was no blunder; now his statement is well-known to the public and will be impossible for the Press to bury.

    The D’rats possibly hope to attack the President with something resembling a Gennifer Flowers moment. But the cases aren’t remotely similar, save for the fact that some sort of sex may … or may not … have been involved. And, even were the parallels strong, the Flowers imbroglio failed to remove President Billy Jeff. So the prognosis for a successful impeachment of Trump is very poor.

    They may hope to damage Trump with his “base”. If they can get everyone who voted for him in 2016 to start thinking that he’s some sort of scumbutt, they may desert him and vote for some D’rat scumbutt instead. This seems a forlorn hope. Nothing they can pin on the President, real or imaginary, can possibly make the D’rats more appealing.

    They may hope to goad Trump into doing something rash and possibly impeachable. Again, forlorn. So far he’s displayed—rather surprisingly, actually—the patience and forbearance of a New Testament saint.

    Hmmm, what else? Maybe they have their teeth clamped on this piece of not-a-whole-lot because their Voices tell them to do it. Hey, they’re Leftoids, no amount of silliness is too silly.

    In the end, they’re making a lot of noise barking up a tree which doesn’t even seem to exist.

The crime was Trump winning the Presidency.

Liberals have literally lost their rags over this.

Meanwhile back in the real world Americans are being allowed to keep more of their own money thanks to Trumps tax cuts.

    Barry in reply to mailman. | May 4, 2018 at 9:23 pm

    “Liberals have literally lost their rags over this.”

    LOL, no, they gained a rags over this. A full fledged SJW, on the side of all hookers, porn stars (she’s a really good producer doncha know), and any other anti-American leftist that hates Trump.

Whatever happened 12 years ago, any sensible person knows that Trump is a promiscuous man. Is the payoff a campaign expenditure? That’s a dubious interpretation. The only people who care are people looking to discredit Trump but his personal behavior is already discredited and his promiscuity in the past doesn’t prevent him from being an effective president. Sensible people realize that a man who is flawed with respect to his sexual behavior can do great things. I wish Trump were like Mike Pence in that regard but he is not.

You can’t win on that one either cwilla as the liberals will hate you for that too!!!

Once again while reading the comments here the level of personal insults by one of the posters amazes me. I understand we’re all adults and can SOB those who are offensive but you do have to wonder if there is any personal insult that isn’t allowed here

    Ragspierre in reply to katiejane. | May 4, 2018 at 10:46 am

    You must have your Select-0-Vision turned up to 11. Try reading through this thread and naming all the things I’ve been called.

    When attacked, I attack back.

      katiejane in reply to Ragspierre. | May 4, 2018 at 3:26 pm

      I’ve learned not to respond to you but since I erroneously down voted your comment I felt I owed you a response. I admit that people have said nasty things back to you and down voted your comments but from where I sit they are responding to you not starting the attack. You jump to calling someone a racist, stupid, a liar, and their comments BS long before they insult you.

      Ever consider that you may well be the most down voted poster here? Do you honestly think those negative responses aren’t an indication that your nasty comments to others? I’m sure you will say you don’t care what the rest of us think, maybe you don’t see the LI as a discussion site but a place to express your disdain for others. Whatever.

        Ragspierre in reply to katiejane. | May 4, 2018 at 7:43 pm

        I only note people here are racists after they’ve clearly self-identified. From my POV, a racist is a person of both flawed thinking and character. You are free to disagree.

        You’re wrong about a lot of the rest, but that’s just on you. If I say what someone posted is BS, I don’t consider that a personal attack, but you are free to, if you want.

        I’m down-voted here because I’m not part of the tribe, and I’m vocal about it. I can say the sky is blue (as a matter of fact and a test, I pretty much HAVE) and I’d get a number of down-votes from haters here. I call the Ragspierre Effect, and you can see it everywhere.

CaliforniaJimbo | May 4, 2018 at 10:17 am

This seems to be “legalized extortion”. I am not a lawyer but if what PDJT says is true, this kind of thing happens to celebrities and rich people all of the time. If that is true, then its wrong. If PDJT attests that he pays a 30k monthly retainer to Cohen (and I’m certain there are receipts), and Cohen attests to have paid the 130K from that pool of money, it’s clearly not a campaign finance issue.
Where it gets murky is where some make the claim that because paying hush money to Ms Cllfford benefitted DJT the candidate, that the payment should be seen as some kind of in-kind contribution.
So let me (as an engineer, not a lawyer) get this straight. It’s legal to shake down someone for 130G but it’s illegal for that person to pay it when they are running for office.
(Sounds like Ms. Clifford wants to have her cake (the 130G)and eat it too (spill out the details))

During the Clinton Impeachment, the left made it very clear that its only sex. We shouldn’t punish PWJC over extramarital sex.
(Please recall, while his behavior was boorish, that is not what got him into trouble; lying under oath is what got him into trouble).
So far, PDJT has not confirmed or denied the Ms. Clifford laision under oath. If he were to do so and were found to be lying, then it is perjury and he would be subject to impeachment.
What makes the left mad is the attack via innuendo and salacious behavior does not work on PDJT. We the people knew he’s been married 3 times. We knew he cheated on his wives in the past. He never ran as the family values candidate. The left is trying to hold PDJT to traditional republican values. They forget that only a few short years ago, he was a democrat. It seems that his demonstrated values in the realm of Marital fidelity is more closely aligned with the donks vs the elephants. Or maybe he suffers from rich man syndrome where he gets what he wants because he has the money. (Either money or power make some feel entitled to whatever they want).
I’m not a fan of PDJT’s marital track record. I am happy with how the economy is moving, how NK is coming to the table and the action on securing our boarders (attempted action due to resistance) I hope and pray we get Iran settled and they do not get a nuke. If they do get one, they will use it.

None of this stuff is the crime of the century. None of it is in the same league as tales of Russian espionage and obstruction of high-profile FBI investigations. But, as legal commentators and Trump critics are quick to point out, it is a felony punishable by five years’ imprisonment to make false statements or material omissions on government disclosure forms. And the harder you fight against small stuff, the bigger it appears if your story collapses.

Yep. Read the whole thing.

    rdmdawg in reply to Ragspierre. | May 4, 2018 at 6:07 pm

    Heh. You sound like CNN and NRO and Red State and the rest of the Never Trumpers, desperately trying to stay relevant as the adults in the house clean up the mess made by 20 years of The Establishment and the uniparty trashing the constitution and our nation. ‘But Stormy Daniels! Someone paid her to keep quiet about her claims!’ as if this isn’t standard procedure for famous rich people to have a lawyer to deal with situations like this. Frankly, for all your blathering, there is zero evidence that this payment was related to the election. If there were any evidence there, we would’ve heard about it 18 months ago. Once again, no crime.

    It’s kinda sad, really, like a cry for help. Keep going, perhaps you’ll persuade someone somewhere.

People have to quit being so dim that Guiliani said Trump paid for it because he is dumba$$. It was an obvious attempt to get an admission of the obvious out their before the Mueller team turns it into something different. This admission of what everyone knows, that the $130,000 came from Trump, will not turn any heads of people not already with TDS. It will therefore make it easy to smack down any other revelations the Mueller team tries from the Cohen raid.

Poor Rudy. He’s ALREADY getting the “He’s a great guy” treatment.

    YellowGrifterInChief in reply to Ragspierre. | May 4, 2018 at 12:25 pm

    Give in. Join your fellow travelers. They will welcome you with open arms. Your long nightmare will be over.

Here is the Stormy Daniels “affair”, in a nutshell.

Trump and Daniels have a one night stand, some 7 years ago, which both now admit was consensual. According to Daniels, she was attempting to cash in on that, at that time, but was scared off by an encounter with an unknown person who asked her why she was attempting to harm Trump. So, in 2016, Daniels again attempts to cash in her one night stand with Trump. She accepts $130,000 to refrain from going public and signs an NDA. Now, she is, apparently, in violation of that agreement by going “public” with her account of the consensual one night stand seven years ago.

So, who cares? Except for supermarket tabloids and Mrs. Trump, no one cares. The only potential problem, for Trump, is if Daniels was paid with campaign finances. Otherwise, this was simply a common business deal to head off bad publicity by a wealthy person whose good name is closely linked to his business. Trump haters see “cover-up” and Trump supporters, and most other people, see “extortion”.

Giuliani’s statement is merely an example of clarifying the record. A common tactic in these sort of cases, when denial has not worked.

    Ragspierre in reply to Mac45. | May 4, 2018 at 1:24 pm

    As so often before, you simply lie.

    “Trump and Daniels have a one night stand, some 7 years ago, which both now admit was consensual. According to Daniels, she was attempting to cash in on that, at that time, but was scared off by an encounter with an unknown person who asked her why she was attempting to harm Trump. So, in 2016, Daniels again attempts to cash in her one night stand with Trump.”

    It was not a “one-night stand”. T-rump pursued her for about a year.

    Daniels has said her sexual contact was consentual. Duh Donald continues to lie about it.

    Nobody “asked her why she was attempting to harm Trump”. That is also just a lie.

    According to reports, Daniels was contacted by Cohen, not the other way round. She was not “extorting” any-flucking-thing.

    Read Andy McCarthy’s piece, linked above.

      Mac45 in reply to Ragspierre. | May 4, 2018 at 1:54 pm

      Well, Rags, my information comes from statements made by Ms. Daniels. I’m not sure where you are getting yours.

      Ms. Daniels said that she and Trump had one sexual encounter, which was consensual, not forced. She said that she was “threatened” by a man in a parking garage shortly after she attempted to go public years ago. She even provided a “sketch” of the man who “threatened” her. She said the man asked her why she was attempting to harm Mr. Trump. As to who contacted whom, that is only relevant in a criminal case. However, Ms. Daniels DID accept the money and DID sign an NDA which she has since violated. So, what do you think Ms. Daniels’ motivation was?

        Ragspierre in reply to Mac45. | May 4, 2018 at 3:22 pm

        “Ms. Daniels said that she and Trump had one sexual encounter, which was consensual, not forced.”

        True. She also stated that he pursued her for about a year after that, promising her a TV gig, and that they met during that time.

        “She said that she was “threatened” by a man in a parking garage shortly after she attempted to go public years ago.”

        No. Get your facts straight.

        “She even provided a “sketch” of the man who “threatened” her. She said the man asked her why she was attempting to harm Mr. Trump.”


YellowGrifterInChief | May 4, 2018 at 12:22 pm

whose good name

Are you still talking about Trump? Trump doesn’t have a good name. He reveled in being on Page Six. He admits to ‘truthful hyperbole’.

BTW, the payoff occurred within days of the election. So it wasn’t closely related to his business. It was absolutely related to the election. You are a diehard. You are one of the ones who wouldn’t change their vote if Trump shot someone on 5th Ave in broad daylight.

But I have to wonder about the religious right. If this doesn’t bother them, they should cease going to church. They made a deal with the devil. I see that as metaphor. But they actually believe in the devil. They will need to cast off a demon named Trump or go to hell.

According to their theology, that is a very bad deal.

    You are still missing the point.

    What Trump did was to have a consensual one night stand with this woman. That was it. There was no accusation of forcible sexual assault. It was just two people who were sharing an intimate moment for mutual physical pleasure. Whether or not Trump was honorable in this action is a subjective determination. However, for some reason, Ms. Daniels thought that she should get paid for this liaison. Now, there are several terms for this type of behavior, you may pick anyone that you choose. And, this first attempt at monetary compensation came right after the liaison, 7 years ago. Then Ms. DFaniels decides to “go public” with this story just before the election. In exchange for remaining silent, releasing information which would be detrimental to Trump, she “accepts” $130,000 and signs an agreement not to disclose this information. Again, there is a term for this type of behavior and it is not “cover-up} on Ms. Daniel’s part. Now, this is where it gets interesting. After accepting the money and signing an NDA pledging NOT to voluntarily release this information, or discuss it, she does exactly that. What one has to wonder is, if Ms. Daniels was amenable to benefiting to the tune of $130,000 NOT to release or discuss this information, what benefit did she derive from turning around and releasing and discussing it?

    I would not support Trump if he knowingly committed a criminal offense, such as shooting someone. In this case, who actually may have committed a criminal offense? The person paying the money or the person receiving it.

    As to the heinousness of having an affair, while married, then lying about it, were applied to every politician, then just about every single President of the US should not have been elected. In fact, there were several Presidents who actually had affairs WHILE IN OFFICE. Then of course, there are all of the other politicians who do the same thing. The Congress actually has a special program to buy off women, and possibly men, who make complaints against Congressmen.

    As to attempting to demonize the religious right in this country, for continuing to support Trump, two of the basic tenets of Christianity are forgiveness and redemption. All human beings are viewed as flawed and all are capable of being redeemed. I refer you to John 8:1-11. Perhaps you should heed it. Especially if you live in a glass house.

paracelsus | May 4, 2018 at 2:12 pm

$130,000 as extortion money!
If it were $130,000 per month, that would be extortion.
I think the money was for a one-night stand: period!

Trump represents so much I find despicable. Do I find it unbelievable that he had a one night stand with a porn star? Not coming from a guy whose personal “Vietnam” was dodging STDs with all the married women he bragged about sleeping with. After avoiding the actual Vietnam by claiming non-existent bone spurs.

But this was the best we could do out of a nation of, what, 324 million. Ponder on that. He was better (and I firmly believe this) than the other crook. This is how we choose our Presidents.

    Ragspierre in reply to Arminius. | May 4, 2018 at 7:32 pm

    There’s much here on which we agree. It damn sure isn’t how I chose a President.

      Arminius in reply to Ragspierre. | May 4, 2018 at 10:13 pm

      Who did you vote for? Did you write in “St. Thomas Aquinas?”

      It was down to the rape enabler and grifter vs. the horndog. I thought about sitting this one out, but when it came down to the wire I was obligated to vote for the horndog. It was that or worse than nothing.

      The real problem is our societal dysfunction. Our society’s entrenched gullibility. Despite how often we get polls that show the public trusts the press less than carnival barkers and used car salesmen, the press can still destroy people. And most people don’t want to go through that.

      So now we’ve ended up with a loud-mouthed adulterer who just doesn’t give a s***. I have to admit, there’s something attractive about the not giving a s*** part.

Back in the real world black unemployment Oscar a historical low.



harleycowboy | May 5, 2018 at 8:00 am

When he put Giuliani on as his lawyer I knew it way going to go down hill.