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It’s Official: DOJ Will Give IG Expanded Authority to Investigate FBI’s Alleged Spying on Trump Campaign

It’s Official: DOJ Will Give IG Expanded Authority to Investigate FBI’s Alleged Spying on Trump Campaign

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Last week, a New York Times report confirming the Obama Administration’s FBI  and DOJ spied on the Trump campaign confirmed the worst fears and suspicions of those following the endless and thus far, fruitless crusade to prove some kind of Trump/Russia collusion.

Sunday, Trump said he would ask the Department of Justice to investigate “whether or not the FBI/DOJ infiltrated or surveilled the Trump Campaign for Political Purposes – and if any such demands or requests were made by people within the Obama Administration!”

Monday, Trump did just that. The DOJ has granted the Inspector General broader authority to “include any irregularities with the Federal Bureau of Investigation’s or the Department of Justice’s tactics concerning the Trump Campaign,” said WH press secretary Sanders.

From the Daily Caller:

The Department of Justice will allow Congress to review highly classified requested documents relating to the FBI’s investigation into the Trump 2016 campaign in conjunction with the White House and other agencies, White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders said Monday.

“Based on the meeting with the President, the Department of Justice has asked the Inspector General to expand its current investigation to include any irregularities with the Federal Bureau of Investigation’s or the Department of Justice’s tactics concerning the Trump Campaign,” Sanders said.

“It was also agreed that White House Chief of Staff Kelly will immediately set up a meeting with the FBI, DOJ, and DNI together with Congressional Leaders to review highly classified and other information they have requested,” she continued.

President Donald Trump met with Director of National Intelligence Dan Coates, FBI Director Wray, and Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein Monday afternoon to discuss Congressional requests. Conservative lawmakers have pressed the DOJ for weeks to turn over highly classified documents relating to the FBI’s 2016 investigation, particularly to discern abuse of power or the use of a confidential informant to infiltrate the campaign.

The suggestion or even concern that the FBI may have been used against a presidential candidate has been dismissed by our self-professed intellectual betters as little more than conspiratorial kookery, and yet…

It was briefly mentioned in the NYT report that the espionage revelations (though the NYT referred to the FBI’s spying as ‘informing’) were being tossed out ahead of a damning yet-to-be-released IG report. If they thought the final IG report would be damning before, it’s probably not going to get any better with greater authority to dig deeper into the FBI’s Crossfire Hurricane.


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I remember when some people floated the idea that the real purpose of Fast and Furious was to create incidents that could be used to gin up support for gun control. The general response was “No, the Obama administration could not possibly be that depraved and stupid.”

I wonder if we will ever know for certain just how depraved and stupid they really are.

    rabidfox in reply to Toad-O. | May 21, 2018 at 8:45 pm

    I never had any problem with believing that Administration was depraved enough to create and use Fast and Furious for that purpose – remember who was AG at the time and SOS a well.

Colonel Travis | May 21, 2018 at 5:29 pm

What the (D) party has done is so huge, so wrong, so anti-American. Watergate is nothing compared to this banana republic stuff.

Gee, wonder why the same party and media (no difference) was so hell-bent on getting rid of a president after a third-rate burglary, and this doesn’t even raise an eyebrow with them.


and where the F is the Attorney General Jeff Sessions?

he really has become a living breathing Waldo

If all of this is true and the Ds were trying to deprive Trump the opportunity to run an effective campaign, would Trump have any sort of legal action against the people involved. For example doing that would be a direct interference with Trump’s constitutional rights of free speech and to petition government for a redress of grievances. I’m sure other violations could be addressed. And the officials would not be able to hide behind the Federal Torts Claim Act and therefore get immunity.

I remember a case called Bivens in the early 1970s that said such a complaint could go forward even though Congress did not have a federal counterpart to section 1983.

And if state officials involved, for example, election officials in the very blue states, Trump could sue them directly under section 1983, and they too would not have immunity because depriving a citizen of statutory and/or constitutional rights is never within the scope of an official’s duties.

Anyone have any thoughts about this?

    YellowGrifterInChief in reply to pfg. | May 21, 2018 at 6:16 pm

    My guess is that Trump will use it as a pretext to suspend the Constitution and declare himself El Presidenti for Life.

    Of course, it could mostly likely be, as reported, that the FBI was investigating suspect actions of individuals that Trump associated himself with and later made principals in his campaign.

    No matter. If the investigation turns up nothing untoward, Trump will continue to claim he was the victim; as he has his whole life.

      “My guess…” wasn’t worth the time it took you to peck it out on the keyboard.

      –Of course, it could mostly likely be, as reported, that the FBI was investigating suspect actions of individuals that Trump associated himself with and later made principals in his campaign.–

      But not investigating the many suspect actions of individuals affiliated with the Hillary campaign during Servergate?

      You know those individuals they didn’t bother to put under oath when taking their statements and gave immunity to (for some gosh darn reason).

      But the funny thing is, now we know that the FBI had been planning to exonerate Hillary of any wrongdoing before they even bothered to investigate her own culpability in the DNC “hack”.

      (which more evidence shows it was likely a “leak” inside her own campaign)

      “suspect actions” is a tricky expression when one side (Repubs) gets slammed the absolute letter of the law, while the other (Dems) gets an inquiry that is more like a dog and pony show which ends with Comey exonerating Hillary because he couldn’t bother to find a prosecutor.

      Another word which describes the above is bias.

      WHY did the FBI and DOJ suddenly find interest to look into these “suspect actions” of Trump associates when many of these occurrences they had already knew of prior and did NOTHING.

      WHY did these alphabet actors obfuscate the handling of this secret surveillance on these Trump associates while claiming they were doing no such thing, claiming it was just crazy Trump talk.

      Remember, the Dems, FBI, DOJ, and even the past administration were FIRST claiming that there was no secret surveillance on the Trump campaign and later transition team.

      Now after the Nunes memo and the coming IG report, their argument has shifted into – well they were “talking” with Russians, so ALL THAT was okay. (wink, wink)

      CaliforniaJimbo in reply to YellowGrifterInChief. | May 21, 2018 at 7:17 pm

      No. He will use this as an opportunity to hold the Obama DOJ accountable. PDJT was more than willing to let the past lie in the past. However, the nefarious actors couldn’t keep their mouths shut or their ambitions in check. So they came after him. Now they will go to jail for their crimes.

      Zach types it out and the grifter hits enter. Their desks are next to each other in the commie operations room.

    DINORightMarie in reply to pfg. | May 21, 2018 at 6:40 pm

    My opinion is that if this does amount to anything (which is very much in doubt, given these are all DC insiders examining their own navels), then they’ll go the criminal route. Similar to the Watergate charges resulting in convictions.

    Doubt anyone in the White House, or in Hillary’s direct circle of crooks, will be charged, or even given any deep thought. Because some are more equal than others, dontcha know.

    Although….I was just reading on Twitchy about the Tweet revelation that “the White House is running this” on the newly released transcript of FBI lovers Strzok & Page.

    That just might get them some heat……… Maybe.

I hope the memo’s related to the inception of the investigation are not a Geraldo safe act. I hope the IG really has some convincing things to show political bias in the Hillary email scandal. There is simply no other reason the FBI,DOJ are stonewalling document requests that would have been easily handed over just a few years ago. Lastly, I hope word will get to Trump that most of his supporters actually approve of getting rid of Sessions. His role or absence is the most perplexing thing in all of this.

Its insanity that FBI DOJ stonewalled appropriate oversight committees, especially when some of their members have the highest security clearances specifically for the purpose of seeing sensitive documents. Nunez has been completely professional in his conduct of this investigation and it’s about time his committee gets the documents requested to get to the bottom of this fiasco.

    YellowGrifterInChief in reply to stl. | May 21, 2018 at 6:20 pm

    Nunez has been completely unprofessional including leaking to Trump everything that came before the committee.

    The only fiasco is that a grifter is running this country and has been given another opportunity to muddy the waters.

      wait, what?

      Why would President Trump, who has one of the highest security clearances in the nation, be leaked the Nunes memo when various Senators were able to read the hard copy themselves?

      Your post makes no sense because Nunes had no bother to even leak that to Trump when the President could just go read it himself wherever they had it locked down at the time, at any time he wanted.

      And oh btw – that memo never should have been classified in the first place since it had no classified information.

      It was a summation of existing documents being held elsewhere.

        Milhouse in reply to fishstick. | May 22, 2018 at 4:21 am

        President Trump, who has one of the highest security clearances in the nation,

        I don’t think the president has a security clearance; the concept doesn’t make sense since all executive information belongs to him and is classified or not on his authority, so why would he need a “clearance”?

      You ignorant commie grifter. Get some help. Ask comrade supervisor.

      Nunez has been completely unprofessional including leaking to Trump everything that came before the committee.

      I don’t understand what this even means. How is it possible to “leak” to the president information that by its nature belongs to him?

      V.Lombardi in reply to YellowGrifterInChief. | May 23, 2018 at 5:25 am

      You offer nothing but wild speculation while ignoring massive obvious criminality. You missed.


It was not so much as denying Trump a fair election cycle.

Heck, your post would decribe what they did to Bernie moreso.

No – what THIS is all about is secret surveillance based upon flimsy unverifed evidence that has yet to be prove true.

Then all actors involved continuing said surveillance during Trump’s transition team and even in the first months of him taking office.

THEN said actors involved with the continous deception in saying none of the above hadn’t occurred.

And lastly said actors using info gleamed from ALL this to leak to obstruct the sitting President.

    stl in reply to fishstick. | May 21, 2018 at 6:31 pm

    Conservatives/Republicans wouldn’t like it, but we would understand if the investigation actually had some meat to it, even if it were Trump underlings dong stupid stuff. But, as you point out, THERE HAS BEEN NOTHING COME FORWARD THAT RISES TO THE LEVEL OF A SPECIAL PROSECUTOR. The “Russians” haven’t even done anything to rise to the level of such an investigation. This was an Obama weaponized -DOJ/FBI attempt to undermine an election, protect Hillary, and sabotage a sitting president. Just like the IRS was weaponized against Tea Party Groups.

Sadly, Sessions has stay on as AG, because senate/schumer would never let anyone else pass –we are stuck with Waldo !!! ABJ

    fishstick in reply to abujosh. | May 21, 2018 at 7:39 pm

    WHY though?

    A temporary acting AG who has your back is better than a confirmed do-nothing AG sitting on his ass letting the inmates run the asylum.

    All this started because of Jeff Sessions recusal because he was on the campaign trail with then candidate Trump?

    That in of itself was a huge red flag.

    Then Sessions still sitting on his ass when Mueller and co. decided to broaden their probe to any possible wrongdoing by anyone associated with the Trump campaign, even going back 5-6 years past, ALL unchallenged was red flag #2.

    This special prosecution should have lasted no more than 4 months even if Sessions had only been involved in an oversight capacity.

    Instead, Sessions stood aside and continues to hide while this special prosecution team has gone way beyond their original mandate trying to find anything to nail the now President on, even if it is the most baseless perjury charge.


    Sure, a new Trump pick may never make the Senate floor.

    But an acting temp is better than the President playing the “Where’s Waldo?” game.

    And where is the DOJ on getting indictments on Comey for misleading the President in giving false info (and lying about leaks), for Hillary for mishandling classified info on her illegal bathroom server, McCabe for lying about leaking info to the media.

    That is FOUR HEADLINERS right there and not a blip from the real Attorney General’s office.

The DOJ IG has no authority to investigate anyone not currently employed by the DOJ, so what’s the point?

    fishstick in reply to MarkS. | May 21, 2018 at 8:00 pm

    From what I’m understanding, there is no point.

    Basically the DOJ is like, well okay Mr. President but we aren’t investigating ourselves so let us just throw this to the Inspector General – who by the way took over a year to give us a report that will only likely confirm the FBI and DOJ had a Trump surveillance team and tanked the Hillary Servergate investigation.

    Which is ALL stuff we suspected a year ago before the IG even took on this effort but now know for certainty because the media is trying to shape the narrative ahead of the report’s release.

    This “IG referral” is a stall tactic because they don’t really fear the Inspector General or even the report that is about to come out.

    Sure it is bad press but it does not put the DOJ and FBI on the defensive because they are still in the driver’s seat when it comes to people actually being prosecuted.

    The main reason why is because it is highly unlikely the IG’s team is going to be the ones to prosecute them if THIS ever gets to THAT point.

    He cannot indict, he cannot hold people in contempt, he can’t squeeze them the way the DOJ prosecutors have been doing to various Trump associates of crimes years past or unrelated to actual Russia election and collusion.

    What it all boils down to is the FBI, DOJ, Deep State (call it what you want) is just trying to hold on till the next election cycle because in THEIR mind, there is no possible way Trump can WIN again, right?

    rabidfox in reply to MarkS. | May 21, 2018 at 8:55 pm

    1) Horowitz, however, is working hand-in-glove with AD Huber who DOES have the authority to look anywhere he damn well pleases.

    2) Why does everyone assume that the IG investigation not already discovered and turned over proof of FBI surveillance on the Trump campaign/transition/Presidency? My bet is that this investigation is almost complete not just starting.

      V.Lombardi in reply to rabidfox. | May 23, 2018 at 5:26 am

      You suggest we trust the DOJ, a very corrupt org involved in massive criminality, based upon more hearsay? That’s gullible.

This hopefully will stop anybody from saying, “We found no evidence of ‘crimes’ being committed. I knew I should have bought pop corn futures last year!

All you need to know is they started the Investigation of Flynn when he had dinner with Putin , but did not on Jill stein who was there also

    Ragspierre in reply to stl. | May 21, 2018 at 11:07 pm

    Slight correction;

    the piece is by Andy McCarthy. Kevin McCarthy is the congresscritter from Kulhifornia who aspires to be speaker when Ryan is gone.

    CONTENT WARNING: McCarthy is one of those “illiterate” “cucks” who provides excellent analysis and thinking at NRO. Some idiots cannot tolerate exposure.

      Fen in reply to Ragspierre. | May 22, 2018 at 2:32 am

      No one is afraid of sound analysis, Rags. We entertain opinions we disagree with to a) check our biases for the pursuit of truth, and b) get inside the minds of our opponents to learn their perspective so we are not blindsided.

      Cucks and Never Trumpers aren’t dismissed because they say things we don’t want to hear. They are dismissed because they can’t be trusted.

      On Monday they will pen a powerful piece on party unity, on Tuesday they’ll stab us in the back to get a better table at Martha’s Vineyard, and by Wednesday they’ll unconditionally surrender for the promise of future negotiations.

        Forget it, Fen, reasoning with the irrational is an exercise in futility. Not that I don’t enjoy trying it now and then, too. Heh.

        Rags says, “CONTENT WARNING: McCarthy is one of those “illiterate” “cucks” who provides excellent analysis and thinking at NRO. Some idiots cannot tolerate exposure.”

        He appears to be suffering from the delusion that we have no idea what #NeverTrumpers write or what their rationale.

        He’s made similar claims a zillion times when posting NR articles in the Forum. His reasoning appears to be that we are either not reading these articles or that we are too stupid to understand them if we are. So he just keeps spamming them day after day after day in the hopes, I guess, that we’ll read them and then have a Road to Damascus conversion to his #NeverTrumper cult. Apparently, to gain admittance to this cult, you have to abandon free thought and critical thinking and just keep linking to what better thinkers and writers say rather than come up with your own reasoned argument. But then, maybe that’s just Rags, who hasn’t shared an original thought on Trump since sometime in 2016.

          Hee! What do you think an editor is, Rags? Do you imagine that part of an editor’s job description is memorizing every comment made? That’s hysterical.

          Seriously, this is so funny that I am still giggling.

          Ragspierre in reply to Fuzzy Slippers. | May 22, 2018 at 5:28 am

          I would have guessed part of being an editor here for years is…you know…actually reading stuff.

          But I’m sure I expect too much from you. You damn sure have disabused me of expecting anything decent from you.

          Hee! So you are doubling down on your assertion that part of an editor’s job is to memorize reader comments? That’s beyond hysterical! I haven’t laughed this much all day. Thanks, Rags. Everyone loves a good giggle.

          Oh, and I’ll be sure to add that I’m indecent (or whatever) to my next rendition of here’s what Rags sounds like to everyone but Rags.

          Rags, you wrote: “The use of “Never Trump” is a stupid, vacant and intellectually lazy device. Just the kind of thing I expect now from Crazy Sloppers.”

          So, I guess you’ll immediately disavow NR, right? After all, they constantly use that “stupid, vacant and intellectually lazy device.” Heck, the article you’ve been fixating on for days is all about Team Never Trump. Or did you forget: How Never Trump Can Avoid Delusion. Be sure to scurry over to Dan and regale him with your opinion of his stupidity, vacuousness, and intellectual laziness.

          Waiting . . . .

          Ragspierre in reply to Fuzzy Slippers. | May 22, 2018 at 6:24 am

          No, poor lying, stupid witch. I never made any such assertions.

          As you know. But you DO show an aptitude for choosing terms in your diatribes that belie your “I don’t memorize” perfidies. You disclaim knowing what I write about, while at the same time carefully selecting terms from my posts that you imagine will have the maximum hurt when you use them in your lies about me (i.e., “critical thought”).

          This marks a signal event in LI history. At no previous time has an LI “editor” made him or herself a troll going after one commentator with so much carefully tailored bullshit.

          You most definitely have, and the only way to comment on it is that it’s literally bizarre.

          Rags, you are addressing me in your posts, and I am responding to your comments directed at me. In what world is that “trolling”?

          As a related aside, I do read some comments, but I don’t read them all. I certainly don’t memorize them and know what this poster said and that . . . as were the terms of your original point, before you–in typical Rags fashion–moved the goal posts. Originally, you tried to say that I, as an LI editor, have some sort of obligation to know where you get your terminology (I still find that laugh-out-loud funny).

          You wrote:

          The “illiterate” one is an oft-repeated charge from Barry.

          “Cuck” was used just the other day by the idiot Maximillion. But you’ll find it sprinkled around from time to time.

          To which I replied that I don’t read and memorize every comment (meaning the ones to which you refer in this comment, Barry’s and Max’s and random “sprinkled” use of a term in the comments). And so it goes until you completely change the topic with your out-of-the-blue claim that what I really said was that I don’t know what you, personally, write about. I said I don’t know what every commenter says, and now you are claiming that I said I don’t know what YOU say.

          You disclaim knowing what I write about, while at the same time carefully selecting terms from my posts that you imagine will have the maximum hurt when you use them in your lies about me (i.e., “critical thought”).

          How does that work exactly? I’m a liar because when I said I didn’t know what Barry, Max, and unnamed sprinklers have said in every comment somehow means (only to you) that I don’t know what you have said in comments to which I am responding (and have therefore clearly read).

          If that’s your thought process, no wonder you think everyone is a liar.

          Rags: You should know what Barry, Max, and others have said in the comments section.
          Fuzzy: I don’t read every comment.
          Rags: You should because you’re an editor.
          Fuzzy: ROFLMAO
          Rags: You claimed that you don’t read my comments, you poor lying, stupid witch.
          Fuzzy: WTF?!

          Ragspierre in reply to Fuzzy Slippers. | May 22, 2018 at 7:20 am

          “Apparently, to gain admittance to this cult, you have to abandon free thought and critical thinking and just keep linking to what better thinkers and writers say rather than come up with your own reasoned argument.”

          This is a particularly juicy example of creative insanity.

          Why? Because it is nominally true and overwhelmingly dishonest.

          EVERYBODY here, including you and Prof. Bill, link to…or quote…”better thinkers and writers” as part of what we say to each other. It’s several things at once.

          It is a means of stating things worth considering in abbreviated form.

          It is a homage to good thinking that we commend for others to consider.

          It is PART of “free thinking” and “critical thought”.

          AND it is a component of expressing “original thinking” on any topic.

          I know you know all this, and only made the statement you did as part of your cheap, stupid, and dishonest attempts to attack me. But there you are…

          Copying and pasting multiple paragraphs from an article, providing a link, and then stating some version of “you stupid moron lying T-rump cultists are too stupid to understand this, but here it is if you dare to read something outside your tribal bubble” is not . . . anything even remotely resembling intellectual discourse. This may have escaped your notice, but when we link to and quote other articles, we have something to say about them (unless it’s a breaking news thing, in which case we are just trying to keep our readers informed).

          When was the last time you posted anything thoughtful or reflective of critical thinking that was your own and not pasted in from some other, better thinker and writer? I know you had some interesting things to say about the Zimmerman trial, but I can’t recall anything since then. Your comments aren’t thoughtful or interesting or original. Most of them are so stock that I wouldn’t be in the least surprised if you didn’t have them on hand, ready to paste into replies to LI readers. You know, along the lines of “you stinking lying moron scum. If you could think at all, you’d know T-rump is a lying liar who has no morals and is immoral and he lies, too! And so do you, cultist amoral nutter!” That’s the substance of about 90% of your posts here.

          If you ever wanted to write comments that are thoughtful and meaningful, that would be most welcome by everyone. But I’m not holding my breath on that one; you’re just so emotional and full of rage that I can’t see you calming down enough to engage in thoughtful, intellectual discussion. It’s a shame because the writers you admire are indeed mostly great thinkers. Funny how they don’t string a bunch of insults, personal attacks, name-calling, hectoring, and bile in their writing. I wonder if you might learn from them how to express ideas you think are important in a way that isn’t immediately off-putting and offensive?

          Ragspierre in reply to Fuzzy Slippers. | May 22, 2018 at 7:33 am

          Please be so honest as to at least post in sequence so that I can respond on point.

          Nobody ever claimed to expect you to “memorize” any-fluckiing-thing, you poor, lying lazy witch.

          I just expected you to know WTF you were talking about. My bad.

          OMG, are you serious? What is not “honest” about my responding to your posts? Do you not see the time stamps? Are you incapable of copying in whatever you are responding to so that it’s clear to your reader?

          Or is this another accusation that I’m using “tricks” in the way I post replies? Now, I guess, you are claiming that I am using dishonest tricks?

          And yes, Rags, you did imply that I should know what every poster is saying in the comments sections on all of our posts:

          So odd that an LI “editor” doesn’t recognize quotes from LI posters.

          The “illiterate” one is an oft-repeated charge from Barry.

          “Cuck” was used just the other day by the idiot Maximillion. But you’ll find it sprinkled around from time to time.

          How would I be able to recognize specific words and terms used by LI posters in multiple threads over multiple days if I didn’t memorize them? I can’t “recognize quotes from LI posters” if I can’t pull them from my memory, right? /smh

          Wow, you need some remedial reading comprehension tutelage immediately.

          Ragspierre in reply to Fuzzy Slippers. | May 22, 2018 at 10:10 am

          You mean identified you, isolated your “character”, and showed your fallacies, yeeeeeeeup.

          Did that.

          Lastly you end with the fallacy of a resort to popular opinion.

          Should I just start calling you a T-rump sucker? No. Though you think falsely calling me…and a lot of other people…#NeverTrump is OK. I’ll wait for a little more evidence from you. But you’re || this close…

          Now, turn on your flashing blue lights, load up the cats, and go do some essential blog policin’, guuuural.

          “The “illiterate” one is an oft-repeated charge from Barry.”

          What is your definition of “oft-repeated”, deranged one?

          The article I called illiterate was an article crying about presidents giving a state of the union address before congress. While trying to weave Trump into that article, because nevertrump, it became nothing more than a rambling unreadable illiterate hitpiece, worthy of the term illiterate.

          forksdad in reply to Fuzzy Slippers. | May 22, 2018 at 11:12 am

          Every single day the cucks and never Trump fools at NR show what a controlled and approved opposition looks like. When they are making excuses for spying on our candidates ‘for their own good’ they are beyond parody.

          Grain of salt? I take everything NR writes with a big old salt-lick.

          Ragspierre in reply to Fuzzy Slippers. | May 22, 2018 at 11:30 am


          “Cuck” is a favored “in-group” term used by the alt-right. Are you one of them?

          C’mon. You can tell us. Don’t be cute.

          “I’ve called you on it numerous times”

          Sure, produce the evidence.

          The NRO is illiterate every time they write their nevertrump propaganda, just as you are.

          It’s hard to be literate when you have steam coming out your ears and spittle hanging from your lips.

          How’s the padded room today? I see they still allow you the use of the internet. Must be part of Henry’s therapy. It’s not working.

          Ragspierre in reply to Fuzzy Slippers. | May 22, 2018 at 2:34 pm

          I just DID provide the proof, with your moronic assistance.


        Ragspierre in reply to Fen. | May 22, 2018 at 7:00 am

        Ah,on NeverTrump, you poor, lying lazy witch…

        There are about 100 actual people to whom that term could rightfully (intellectually honestly) apply.

        McLaughlin uses it correctly. You lie in your use of it, and you damn well know it. You used it just recently as a pejorative in one of your loopy attacks on me, knowing that it doesn’t apply to me.

        Why? Well, at root it’s because you cannot honestly deal with the facts. So you’ve chosen a much different path.

        In the face of critiques founded on objective facts, you’ve decided to attack the critic as “undermining the President”, rather than trying to mount a defense on the facts. Mostly because you can’t do the latter, and you show an absolute talent for mean guuural bullshit.

          And here goes Rags rewriting the discussion and moving the goal posts. If you have a super top secret #NeverTrumper handshake and nod that only other #NeverTrumpers can understand and therefore be trusted to utter the sacred term “Never Trump,” why not just say so to begin with?

          “Yo, Fuzzy, you are using this term in the wrong way. It means [blah blah blah], so when you use it to describe me, you are incorrect.”

          That’s not what you did, though. Instead, you were attempting to insult me.

          You wrote:

          The use of “Never Trump” is a stupid, vacant and intellectually lazy device. Just the kind of thing I expect now from Crazy Sloppers.

          So you move from “the use of” in your original statement to now oh, wait, it’s okay if #NeverTrumpers use the term, but you can’t. I guess that’s sort of how the “N” word works, right, Rags? Only #NeverTrumpers can use the term without being called “stupid, vacant and intellectually lazy.”

          You are really a piece of work, Rags. Your intellectual dishonesty is on full display, but of course, you’ll have an answer for it (prefaced with how I’m a lying liar moron witch who lies and is moronic. And a witch.).

          Dude, you can’t follow an argument that’s going on in real time, do you really want to challenge yourself with trying to follow one in some weirdly vague and only in your mind future instance where you stick my “steaming pile of bullshit” in my face?

          Here’s the problem, Rags, and it’s your problem with everyone you interact with here: you seem to think that calling someone names, blasting their very valid points as crap, using caps to call people liars, etc., and threatening them is somehow showing you in a good light. Newsflash: It’s not.

          You can’t refute or rebut what I said, so you instead threaten to throw my valid argument “back in my face” at some later time. What is that? When will this later time come? When you finally figure out how to write a thoughtful rebuttal that isn’t ad hominem and deflection? I won’t hold my breath.

          Ragspierre in reply to Ragspierre. | May 22, 2018 at 8:14 am

          I did refute what you said.

          I also deplored your lies, ample use of fallacy, and name-calling.

          Now, you poor lying crazy ruin, I have to work, so you can just amp up your bullshit here by yourself.

          Heh, if by “refute” you mean called me names, assailed my character, and moved the goal posts, you sure did! That, however, is not the definition of “refute” with which most people are familiar.

          Barry in reply to Ragspierre. | May 22, 2018 at 10:31 am

          “I’m not #NeverTrump. McLaughlin is not #NeverTrump. The authors at NR are NOT #NeverTrump.”

          Now rags is trying to make funny.

          Rags declares he will never vote for Trump, but he’s not a nevertrumper. LOL

          Rags declares the authors at NRO are not nevertrumpers, but they wrote an opinion piece titled “Against Trump”, by the editors.
          With supporting pieces by many of the writers at NRO

          A few more of those not never trumpers with their stories, the first actually titled “NeverTrump”…

          The twitter feed of NRO NeverTrump:

          I’ll just stick your steaming pile of bullshit back in your face every time you try to use it.

          Count on it.

          Lots more at the “not” nevertrump website NRO

          Ragspierre in reply to Ragspierre. | May 22, 2018 at 11:15 am

          I guess you’ll have to define terms now, you slobbering moron.

          What does #NeverTrump mean?

          Start with that.

          Barry in reply to Ragspierre. | May 22, 2018 at 11:58 am

          Start with this.

          Stick it where the sun don’t shine.

          Everyone knows the definition of Nevertrump. It is NRO and ragspee.

          Ragspierre in reply to Ragspierre. | May 22, 2018 at 2:29 pm

          Yep. Figured. Just another cowardly, lying SOS.

          I guess anyone who dares speak any heresy against the The Goad Cheeto is #NeverTrump…to a T-sucking cultist.

          Barry in reply to Ragspierre. | May 22, 2018 at 11:40 pm

          You poor dumb idiot.

          NRO is the home of the nevertrumpers, which is why you are in love with them.

          Of course, you know this. Amazes me to see someone flat out make it clear to everyone reading that he is a complete fruitcake.

I welcome it, but …
no ability to subpeona, no abilty tyo bring charges,
What happens if Horowitz and Mueller butt heads?

regulus arcturus | May 21, 2018 at 9:12 pm

Not a full criminal investigation.

Disappointing, but other wheels are in motion here.

Trump should have said, “bring the unredacted documents with you to the meeting or clean out your office.” There is no excuse for not providing documents to bbn oversight committee that have appropriate security clearances.

Henry Hawkins | May 21, 2018 at 10:56 pm


clayusmcret | May 22, 2018 at 6:42 am

The down side of the IG running the investigation is they have no prosecutorial authority. Lots of effort, expansive report, only to then start an official investigation.

Calling Henry:

Your patient, Rags, needs some help. He appears to have had a complete meltdown this morning.

Rags: “The use of Never Trump is a stupid, vacant and intellectually lazy device.”

We didn’t coin the term Rags, the people who swore they would never support Trump are the ones who self-identified with #NeverTrump. THEY turned it into a hashtag, not us.

And seriously, who are you to tone police what terms we use to define Cucks and NeverTrumpers? You, who routinely slime everyone here as “lying cowardly witches bastards idiots etc.

You need to take a break from the interwebs. You claim the Prof is your friend, but everyday you lie and insult and troll everyone you disagree with. Your tactics have devolved into taking a big dump on the Orof’s blog so that anyone who interacts with you gets contaminated with your filth. You virtue signal principle and integrity, but you never demonstrate virtue by admitting when you are wrong or apologizing when you cross the line. And when called on it, you edit your memory to such a degree that you deny misconduct less than a day old.

You went to law school, your mind was sharpened, and we’ve seen evidence you are capable of rational and insightful commentary. Which leaves only two explainations for your constant meltdowns: either a) you are deliberately trolling your friend’s blog and should be suspended/banned, or b) you are going through a mental breakdown and, as an act of Mercy, should be given a long time out. Because as everyone can see, your continued presence here is only exacerbating your condition.

A true friend would hold and intervention and advise you seek therapy. But I think you are at the stage where you have alienated any friends you had left. Taje a few weeks or months off and come back with a fresh start as the old Rags we remember. Because if you stay, you’re only going to get worse.

    Massinsanity in reply to Fen. | May 22, 2018 at 1:47 pm

    Well said

    DuxRedux in reply to Fen. | May 22, 2018 at 3:43 pm

    Rags, we’ll take up a collection and buy you a magnifying glass so you can identify your manhood and sit in the corner and play with yourself – instead of posting these undignified, overcompensating rants. Enough!

      Ragspierre in reply to DuxRedux. | May 22, 2018 at 7:11 pm

      Gorsh, I was hoping one of you decency pooolice would have taken on this troll by now.

      Too busy watching your “shows”…??? Are you going to leave it up to me?

    forksdad in reply to Fen. | May 22, 2018 at 3:57 pm

    If every single day I came to my friend’s house and took a dump on his carpet we might not remain friends. I’d know for damn sure I wasn’t a good friend or the kind of friend anyone should have.

    TDS is a hell of a drug.

    How does anyone go through life this abusive? Does it extend to his personal life, his professional life? Does he talk to his family this way? I don’t know but I would hope not. Obviously he needs help. A long break from the internet should help.

      Ragspierre in reply to forksdad. | May 22, 2018 at 5:31 pm

      I asked you a question. I’m awaiting an answer.

      Tell us about your use of “cuck”. Are you an alt-righter?

    Barry in reply to Fen. | May 22, 2018 at 10:08 pm

    “I apologize more here than any other poster…”

    LOL, I got it figured out –

    Rags is a popcorn salesman. Business slow, post a few more whoppers.

I’m serious, I’m not just saying this to poke at you. Take a few weeks off, make a sincere apology (at least to the Prof) and I think everyone here would be willing to bury the hatchet and give you a fresh start.

You’ve created your own hell. Please climb out.

    Anonamom in reply to Fen. | May 22, 2018 at 3:59 pm

    I used to feel sorry for the guy, Fen, and thought that maybe something bad was going on his life to make him so unhinged. Some time back, though, another poster (with much more highly developed GoogleFoo than I) provided links to posts by “ragspierre” at a variety of sites going back YEARS. No more sympathy here. The guy’s just a deranged jerk who apparently derives some sort of pleasure from being an embedded troll.

    I do agree with you, though, that he could probably benefit from a break and/or therapy. And meds. Lots and lots of meds.

buckeyeminuteman | May 22, 2018 at 1:15 pm

FBI Director Christopher Wray? Never heard of him. I thought Rosenstein and Mueller ran things in the DOJ. And Jeff Sessions is their errand boy.

Rags: “I don’t claim to be the Prof. Jacobson’s “friend”. We’ve never met.”

Lol. You are the one who claimed you were friends. Back when you were calling for bans. I distinctly remember because I then had to factor in the prospect he would come down on me for things he would let you get away with.


    Ragspierre in reply to Fen. | May 23, 2018 at 8:09 am

    You live in a rich fantasy world where your lies have become your reality.

    But you’re just a liar. A delusional liar.

    I’ve never made that claim, nor would I even if it were true.