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Elizabeth Warren doubles-down on claim to be Native American in speech to Native American group

Elizabeth Warren doubles-down on claim to be Native American in speech to Native American group

Trying to have it both ways: Admits not a member of any tribe, but denies any wrongdoing.

Elizabeth Warren is doubling down on her claim to be Native American, and rejecting claims she misleadingly or falsely claimed that status, despite a mountain of evidence that Warren is NOT Native American and used that false claim to try to advance her law professor career.

The Boston Globe reports:

Senator Elizabeth Warren made a surprise appearance at the National Congress of American Indians Wednesday morning, forcefully responding to President Trump’s derisively calling her “Pocahontas” and addressing her claims of Native American heritage more directly — and far more expansively — than she ever has before.

The Massachusetts Democrat also made an impassioned pledge to advocate for issues of importance for Native Americans, an indication that she is planning stronger outreach to tribes.

She did not apologize for her claims that her mother’s family had Cherokee blood — instead, reaffirming: “My mother’s family was part Native American. And my daddy’s parents were bitterly opposed to their relationship. So, in 1932, when Mother was 19 and Daddy had just turned 20, they eloped.”

“The story they lived will always be a part of me,” she planned to say, according to a copy of her prepared remarks. “And no one — not even the president of the United States — will ever take that part of me away.”

You can read the full text of Warren’s speech here.

Resurrects Debunked Parents’ Elopement Story

It’s interesting that Warren comes back to the story about her parents’ elopement, since that story has been substantially debunked.

I wrote about this in August 2012, Elizabeth Warren elopement story falls apart.

There are, however, documents recently uncovered by the Cherokee genealogical group which cast serious, if not conclusive, doubt on Warren’s elopement story.  This is the same Cherokee group which has traced Warren’s ancestry with great detail, and demonstrated that Warren’s mother and her mother’s ancestors always were listed as White on census forms and all other known documentation.

The evidence is laid out at Twila Barnes’ website.  Here is a summary:

Warren’s parents were married in 1932 in a church not far from their home town by a respected and prominent pastor, who was unlikely to have performed ceremonies for runaways seeking to elope.  The witness on the marriage certificate was a family friend of Warren’s mother, not some stranger rounded up by the pastor at the last minute for an unexpected elopement.

The young couple then immediately returned home where their marriage was announced in the local paper in a celebratory fashion, with extensive descriptions of the prominence of the two families in the local business community.  Perhaps most important, the announcement mentions that the marriage was a surprise to many of the young couple’s friends, but said nothing about it being a surprise to family.

The marriage of Donald Herring and Miss Pauline Reed, two of Wetumka’s most popular young people, came as a surprise to many of their friend when they returned from Holdenville late Saturday afternoon and announced their marriage.

Both of the young people were reared in Wetumka and are popular members of the younger set.

Specifically as to Warren’s mother, the announcement detailed:

Mrs. Herring is the daughter of H.G. Reed, building contractor of this city, and has always been prominent in the social and church activities of the younger people and being a gifted singer has identified herself with the music lovers of the community.

The announcement then indicated that the couple are returning separately to their respective colleges for the next semester, and concluded:

The Gazette joins a host of friends in wishing for these young people a long and happy life together.

… Nor is later evidence uncovered by the Cherokee group showing that Warren’s mother was not rejected in the father’s family.  Warren’s mother attended the 25th wedding anniversary party for  Warren’s paternal grandparents in 1936, just four years after the supposed elopement.

Because the events took place in a time and place where there was scant documentation of life, and because all the persons with first-hand knowledge were long dead by the time Warren told the story publicly, we cannot know conclusively about the circumstances of Warren’s parents’ marriage.

But what we can know is that the dramatic story told by Warren is inconsistent with the wedding announcement in the local newspaper.

Use In Career Advancement

The Globe further reports Warren denied using the Native American claim to advance her career:

Responding to critics who claim she used a minority status to gain prestigious law professorships, she said: “I never used my family tree to get a break or get ahead. I never used it to advance my career.”

But in fact the evidence is clear that she made the claim to be Native American in a law professor directory in the 1980s used as a hiring device by law school deans, landing herself on a small list of “Minority Law Teachers.”

When Warren was a visiting professor at Harvard Law School, she also was listed in the Women’s Law Journal as a “Woman of Color in Legal Academia,” presumably based on her claim to be Native American (there would have been no other explanation for referring to her as a woman of color):

Warren has never released, or asked Harvard Law to release, her entire hiring file. Yet soon after she joined Harvard Law full time as a tenured professor, Warren was touted by Harvard as its first Native American tenured professor. Tellingly, after getting tenure at Harvard, Warren stopped listing herself as Native American in the law professor directory — presumably because she didn’t need the help anymore, she had attained the top law professor achievement.

Playing Victim

In a classic Warren dodge, in her speech she tried to turn the tables trying to accuse her accusers of wrongdoing, as the Globe reports:

“For far too long, your story has been pushed aside, to be trotted out only in cartoons and commercials,” she said. “So I’m here today to make a promise: Every time someone brings up my family’s story, I’m going to use it to lift up the story of your families and your communities.”…

Warren’s move to more publicly address the issue had some similarities to former president Barack Obama’s 2008 campaign speeches about race — which followed criticism of his ties to the controversial former pastor Jeremiah Wright — and to Mitt Romney’s 2007 speech about his Mormon faith. But Warren’s speech also appeared to be an attempt to defuse the controversy before it came under the full glare of a national presidential campaign….

Her remarks began with an extended rebuttal to Trump, who has reappropriated a Native American hero and tried to use it as a slur to refer to Warren.

“I’ve noticed that every time my name comes up, President Trump likes to talk about Pocahontas,” Warren said. “So I figured, let’s talk about Pocahontas. Not Pocahontas, the fictional character most Americans know from the movies, but Pocahontas, the Native woman who really lived, and whose real story has been passed down to so many of you through the generations.”

This speech, and Warren’s attempt to deal with her Native American problem, is a good sign that Warren is planning to run for president. It’s something she can no longer ignore, particularly after The Boston Globe itself recently ran an article about it, as I covered in Warren’s “stubborn unwillingness” to apologize for Cherokee claim is “a ghost haunting” her.

No Apologies, No Regrets

The closest Warren came to an apology was this:

I get why some people think there’s hay to be made here. You won’t find my family members on any rolls, and I’m not enrolled in a tribe.

And I want to make something clear. I respect that distinction. I understand that tribal membership is determined by tribes — and only by tribes. I never used my family tree to get a break or get ahead. I never used it to advance my career.

While my first take on the speech was that there was a backhanded apology there, on second read that’s not the case. There is no apology whatsoever. She claims not to be a tribal member, but still claims Native American heritage. That’s a continuation of her lifelong dodge, trying to get the benefit of Native American status without being able to prove she is in fact Native American.

A simple “I’m sorry” would have been more persuasive. But it’s apparently something Warren is incapable of doing for such a key element of her life story.

UPDATE 2-15-2018, here is the video of Warren’s speech:


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Colonel Travis | February 14, 2018 at 1:36 pm

“I never used my family tree to get a break or get ahead. I never used it to advance my career.”

When she said this, was she standing next to a cherry tree with an hatchet stuck in it?

“Trying to have it both ways”…. she speakum with forked tongue?

P.S. Full disclosure… I AM part Cherokee, so I guess I am not completely guilty of appropriation of a culture…. just a fraction of it.

The facts are damning, and she is following the ultra-shameless examples of Bill and Hillary Clinton.

This kind of behavior is another reason why I am no longer in any kind of mood to tolerate the Democratic Party at the national level.

If only there were some test that could be performed to examine Sen. Warren’s genetic makeup, such as her DNA, to see if she had any Native American lineage. You would think that if such a test existed, the media might push for the Senator to take the test just to settle the matter.

DieJustAsHappy | February 14, 2018 at 2:03 pm

I could care less if she claims to related to Sitting Bull and her Indian name is Speaking Bull, or she claims to be related to Red Cloud and her Indian name is Dark Cloud, or she claims lineage to Crazy Horse and her Indian name is Crazy Like a Loon. What I do care about is what sort of person she is and what she does with what she has been given.

From what I’ve observed, I can’t figure how she’s even a Senator let alone a potential POTUS.

    She ran for public office in Massachusetts with a “D” behind her name. She also hails from “The people’s republic of Cambridge”. That is how she became a Massachusetts Senator.

“I never used my family tree to get a break or get ahead”

This is technically true, since there is no Cherokee ancestry anywhere in her family tree. She used lies to get ahead, not her family tree at all!

Why hasn’t Harvard revoked whatever titles and honors they gave her? She engaged in fraud. It makes Harvard appear incompetent or corrupt.

    Milhouse in reply to Fen. | February 14, 2018 at 2:35 pm

    Harvard denies that her pretended ancestry played any role in her hiring, and there doesn’t seem to be any way to prove otherwise.

      Next you’ll be claiming we have no standing. LOL.

      Look, it’s very simple – Harvard’s rep has taken a hit because it’s obvious Warren benefited from her fraud and it’s obvious Harvard benefited from her fraud. This is not a court room – I don’t need to prove anything, Harvard does. And the easiest way for Harvard to do that is to censure her by revoking all titles and honors they gave her.

      Why haven’t they?

There’s an important distinction that needs to be borne in mind here: There is clear proof that she pretended to be Indian in hopes of getting a leg up on a job. There is no proof that she actually benefited in any way from that pretense. Harvard claims not to have known about her pretended status until after it had hired her and given her tenure, and there doesn’t seem to be any way to refute this claim. It may seem unlikely to us, but skepticism is not evidence.

So please, people, be careful with this. Don’t claim she enriched herself at others’ expense, or benefited from this claim, because you can’t prove it. Stick to what you can prove, which is that she listed herself in a directory whose only purpose was to attempt to gain such benefits. Whether her attempt turned out to be successful or a waste of time, it can’t be denied.

    Massinsanity in reply to Milhouse. | February 14, 2018 at 3:16 pm

    Oh please, you post this nonsense every time there is a story about Warren on this site. There is no direct proof that Warren is lying because the two sides that can provide that proof or proof that Warren is telling the truth will never reveal that information.

    There is a mountain of circumstantial evidence that Warren used the Native American claim to advance her career. Some of it is in this article and much more is available on the Professor’s Warren wiki. That HLS trotted out Charles Fried, the one faculty member that on occasion was affiliated with conservatives, to refute the claims against Warren only demonstrates the calculation they went through in trying to hide this great lie.

    Rutgers Law graduates simply do not get hired by the Ivy League law schools… unless…

      Milhouse in reply to Massinsanity. | February 14, 2018 at 4:02 pm

      It doesn’t matter why there’s no proof. The fact is that there isn’t. There’s evidence (not a mountain, just one item, but that one item is conclusive) that Warren used the Native American claim to try to advance her career. There’s no evidence that she succeeded, just speculation. I share that speculation, but that doesn’t entitle either of us to claim it as fact. Making factual claims that you have no way of knowing to be true is a great way to discredit everything else you say, including the things you can prove.

      Your sneering claim that “Rutgers Law graduates simply do not get hired by the Ivy League law schools unless…” is not evidence, it’s cut from the same cloth as the sort of thing we hear from SJW all the time. “Republicans simply do not hire black people, therefore the fact that they hired this one proves something sinister.”

      “Oh please, you post this nonsense every time there is a story…”

      Once in a while, the guy has something to say. (Generally about religious culture.)

      The rest of the time, he throws darts hoping to land one, and makes himself look ridiculous in the process. Just look at the avatar he presents to the world.

      He’d do well to heed the old adage: “Better to Remain Silent and Be Thought a Fool than to Speak and Remove All Doubt.”

      Massinsanity in reply to Massinsanity. | February 14, 2018 at 6:19 pm

      It was just serendipitous that Harvard discovered, after hiring Warren and at a time when Ivy League Law Schools were under immense pressure to diversify, that she was a “woman of color”!

      What luck… a twofer just fell in their lap and they didn’t even know it!! Wow. Time to crank up the PR machine based on this new hire.

      As for my contention that Ivy League Law Schools don’t hire law graduates from schools like Rutgers to their faculties, it may sound pretentious but it is backed up by FACTS. I don’t have time to find the study but someone researched it when this story broke years ago and it is true… unlike your contorted analogy about Republicans and black people.

    murkyv in reply to Milhouse. | February 14, 2018 at 3:50 pm


    politically…it’s great fodder for her detractors and WILL sway peoples thinking

      Milhouse in reply to murkyv. | February 14, 2018 at 4:05 pm

      Until they ask you to prove it and you can’t. Whereas if you stick to what you can prove, it’ll sway peoples thinking just as much, and won’t backfire. Plus you remain honest, which is surely worth something to you.

        Barry in reply to Milhouse. | February 14, 2018 at 8:16 pm

        It’s just as honest to state she benefited from it. Why else would she do it?

        There are lots of things that can not be proven to a courtroom standard unless we use the civil standard. Which applies here.

Simple DNA test will shut up a lot of people, or her. #takethetestlizzy

I guarantee she’s already taken the test and flunked it. But she’s an important person and important people don’t have to apologize or answer to proles. Congrats to the Dems who have mined their super-deep genius bench and found someone even more tin-eared, pretentious and delusional than Hillary!

She has crossed over into Constanza Land…

“Jerry, just remember… its not a lie if you believe it.”

Sad and pathetic. What a broken vessel. It’s painful to watch her humiliate herself.

buckeyeminuteman | February 14, 2018 at 3:47 pm

Neither Rachel Dolezal nor Elizabeth Warren give two $h!ts what you think! They are women of color and nobody is going to tell them otherwise.

Little Fauxahontas doubling down on a failed agenda,hers and that of her party.

This moron is a Poser in the first and highest order.

Just as my father, I have skin darker than the average Caucasian. It’s most likely from a Spanish/ Portuguese ancestor many generations past (Iberian Peninsula according to a family members DNA test). The mere thought that I might claim I was a “Person of Color” in order to advance my career would disqualify me on ethics grounds. I’m amazed that Liz Warren continues to whip that dead horse.

    “Just as my father, I have skin darker than the average Caucasian. It’s most likely from a Spanish/ Portuguese ancestor many generations past…”

    Have you ever researched the ethnicity of the mailman on your parents’ route nine months before you were born? (In the old days, many of them were trying to do to the women on their route what Fauxcahontas is trying to do to our country.)

Warren is utterly repulsive and uses the minority people she claims to represent, in order to advance her own selfish agenda.

Perhaps this sort of thing makes her look bad, but that doesn’t mean it’s bad politics.

Looking at the narrow issue, maybe some Native Americans have contempt for her imposture, BUT, she’d be a super-safe political choice as she’s hardly in a position to ever push back against whatever any Native American advocacy group might ask of her.

And looking at the larger issue, she’d have difficulty coming clean on whether she took advantage of Affirmative Action without questioning the very premises of Affirmative Action itself. And what Liberal Democrat could afford to do that?

My question is: Why did the National Congress of American Indians allow itself to be used by her? What do they think they will gain from it? What did she offer in return for access to the podium?

She wants to be president, but she can’t extract herself from the lies she told to gain advantages as as a member of a minority class, legally belonging to actual members of that class. Thanks to the Cherokees for exposing her fraudulent behavior.

I hate that picture of her. It has to be her sister and her daughter/niece standing nearby–the same empty, soulless eyes.

Campaign ads need to focus on the victims of her
fraud. Cast minority boys and girls, short clips of them following their dream to get into Harvard.

At the kitchen table with Mom saying “don’t worry honey, you just keep studying, we’ll find the money…somehow ” with a sideways glance to Dad.

Another with a girl leafing through a history scrapbook. Selma, MLK, pics of minorities serving on the Supreme Court.

Then a lily white actress CUTS IN LINE ahead of them to interview at Harvard “Yes, Native American, my grandma was a Cherokee Princess.

ACCEPTED stamped on her application.

Then a voice over “Elizabeth Warren stole quotas from minorities to further her career. If she would commit fraud to betray them, what do you think she do to you?”

Or something like that. I just think the GOP needs to put a face on the people that were passed over. There are victims, real people.

I can understand Warren’s believing family stories, as to her parents’ wedding and her distant ancestry.

But, whether or not she benefited from it, listing herself as “native American” on employment lists, when, at best, according to the family lore, a great-great-great grandmother was an Indian, is ridiculous. This is the odious “single drop of blood” in reverse, as an asset instead of a detriment. It’s outrageous.

I can understand Warren’s believing family stories, as to her parents’ wedding and her distant ancestry.

But, whether or not she benefited from it, listing herself as “native American” on employment lists, when, at best, according to the family lore, a great-great-great grandmother was an Indian, is ridiculous. This is the odious “single drop of blood” in reverse, as an asset instead of a detriment. It’s outrageous.

While she’s older and no longer angelic looking, Warren always makes me think of this quote from Yuri Bezmenov:

“cynical, egocentric people who can look into your eyes with angelic expression and tell you a lie. These are the most recruitable people: people who lack moral principles, who are either too greedy or too [much] suffer from self importance. They feel that they matter a lot. These are the people who[m] [the] KGB wanted very much to recruit.”

notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital | February 15, 2018 at 3:31 pm

I bet Professor Jacobson already has this web blog address.

But just in case….

“A little Cherokee history and genealogy mixed in with a whole lot of truth.

Elizabeth Warren Information
Elizabeth Warren is a candidate for the U.S. Senate from the state of Massachusetts. She claims she is of Cherokee descent. She has come under fire for possibly using that claim to give her career a boost at a time when Harvard Law was under pressure to hire more minority professors. We have done extensive research on her ancestry and on the stories she has told trying to back up her claim. There is absolutely no evidence to suggest she actually had a Cherokee or American Indian ancestor. Despite repeated requests for her to release her personnel records from the University of Pennsylvania and Harvard Law School, she refuses to do so.

The stories she has told and our conclusions”

I read a f***ing book about an Injun. Am I now as much of a Cherokee as Elizabeth Warren?