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Terror Attack in NYC Kills Eight, Injures 11 More

Terror Attack in NYC Kills Eight, Injures 11 More

Suspect shouted “Allahu Akbar!” during attack.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=og3jQZvu09E

A man identified as Sayfullo Habibullaevic Saipov, 29, from Tampa, FL, drove a rental pickup truck down a bike bath and into a crowd in Lower Manhattan while shouting “Allahu Akbar!” The attack killed eight people and injured at least 11 others.

The police shot and took the Saipov, an Uzbekistan native, into custody. He is recovering at a hospital.

The FBI’s Joint Terrorism Task Force has taken over the investigation.

Fox News described what happened:

Police said the truck entered the bike path on West Street a few blocks from the new World Trade Center — the site of the deadliest terror attack in U.S. history — and plowed into several people. The driver jumped out of his rental truck carrying what turned out to be a paintball gun and a pellet gun.

The truck also slammed into a short yellow school bus, injuring two adults and two children.

Saipov came from Uzbekistan in 2010.

Mayor Bill de Blasio called it a terrorist attack while Governor Andrew Cuomo said it was a lone wolf attack. From Fox News:

Mayor Bill de Blasio, speaking at a press conference Tuesday evening, called the incident “an act of terror.”

“This was an act of terror, and a particularly cowardly act of terror aimed at innocent civilians,” de Blasio said.

Governor Andrew Cuomo referred to the incident as a “lone wolf” attack, and added that at this point in the investigation, there is no evidence to suggest that there was a wider plot.

President Donald Trump addressed it on Twitter:

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Comments

As I’ve predicted, these kinds of attack will continue. Simply because they are too cost-effective. There’s no way to stop them in a free society.

    Wow, aren’t you prescient.

    A free society with common sense can stop them, starting with not importing them, then deporting them.

    You, on the other hand think we just need to get used to it. No thanks.

      Ragspierre in reply to Barry. | November 1, 2017 at 3:16 am

      Wow, Berri, you’ve amassed quite a following by lying about me again.

      I’ve never said anything like your lie. What I HAVE said is that we have to get creative and smart.

      Will that work 100%. No. It will work better than your nutter “round ’em up and deport ’em” stupidity. Hell, your man-crush doesn’t even flap his strangely contorted lips around that crap.

        Aside from the tweets in the article itself about keeping them out? As for deporting them, it’s coming, it’s just a question of how many deaths it will take for Americans to ignore you globalists.

          Ragspierre in reply to SDN. | November 1, 2017 at 7:11 am

          Another liar. I’m a constitutionalist. You can stuff your “globalist” bullshit.

          MarkSmith in reply to SDN. | November 1, 2017 at 8:41 am

          Actually I would say it is closer to Jacobin-like. I have not seen any references to Federalist Papers in the posts I read from you, which mostly consist of calling people lairs.

          Ragspierre in reply to SDN. | November 1, 2017 at 8:55 am

          You don’t even know what a “Jabobin” is, and I certainly am not one (in reality, which I’ve never seen you reference).

          I have, do, and will refer to the Federalist Papers. But that’s hardly a valid sorter for a constitutionalist. Is it, stupid?

          Oh, and I only refer to liars when they lie. As here.

        “I’ve never said anything like your lie.”

        “There’s no way to stop them in a free society.”

        You use the word lie often. In your dictionary, the definition of “lie” is exposing your ignorance/hypocrisy/stupidity.

        We can stop them. To remain a free society it is necessary that we do so.

        MarkSmith in reply to Ragspierre. | November 1, 2017 at 11:07 am

        Oh, and I only refer to liars when they lie. As here.

        Another myth you wish to project. As for Jacobin, you can figure it out. It has several meaning including one that is consider derogatory.

        My reference stems from the idiots that were so hell bent on supporting the French Revolution including the Jefferson supporters leading to the XYZ affair.

        As for a constitutionalist, I see little of that. Reviewing of your posts going back to 2008 has you calling anyone that you disagree with liar and several other names not worth repeating, too.

        Your past support of NeoCons tend to make you more of a Globalist. Your anti-Trump rants just show how narrow minding the thinking is.

        As I’ve predicted, these kinds of attack will continue.

        Do you really understand how that looks?

        Here is my take:

        As he shouted to his mom through the basement door,

        “As I’ve predicted, these kinds of attack will continue.”

        As for predictions, yours kinda missed the mark in the past (ie: butt hurt Trump win), so why should we care “As I’ve predicted, these kinds of attack will continue.”

        As for the importance of your “As I’ve predicted, these kinds of attack will continue.”, it is nothing like stating the obvious. Well gee, as I predicted, the Sun will come up tomorrow” statement is equal.

        If you really are a constitionalist, then respond as such and instead maybe point out things like why Schumer’s Diversity Visa program is to blame for this and how it goes against the the Constitution.

        But there is a wide difference between closing the door altogether and throwing it entirely open; between a postponement of fourteen years, and an immediate admission to all the rights of citizenship. Some reasonable term ought to be allowed to enable aliens to get rid of foreign and acquire American attachments; to learn the principles and imbibe the spirit of our government; and to admit of a probability at least, of their feeling a real interest in our affairs. Alexander Hamilton

        https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Hamilton/01-25-02-0282#ARHN-01-25-02-0282-fn-0001

        Hamilton described revolutionary France in 1793 as “a state of things the most cruel sanguinary and violent that ever stained the annuals of mankind” and lamented the “gloomy persecuting and desolating atheism” of the revolution.”

        Check out Hamilton Writings at

        https://founders.archives.gov/content/volumes#Hamilton

          Ragspierre in reply to MarkSmith. | November 1, 2017 at 11:23 am

          “As for Jacobin, you can figure it out. It has several meaning including one that is consider derogatory.”

          Oh, I KNOW what a Jacobin is in current parlance, and what they were historically.

          Pretty much the opposite of who I am, and have been for years here.

          You just learned a new word, and you throw it around as a means to smear people. That’s the sum and total of who you are here.

          MarkSmith in reply to MarkSmith. | November 1, 2017 at 11:33 am

          Interesting, I think I pointed out your Jacobin traits as least a year ago, if not two, so it is not a new word.

          Why not defend your position ” I am a Constitutionalist” instead of predicting things. That would be something of value.

          If you really are a constitionalist, then respond as such and instead maybe point out things like why Schumer’s Diversity Visa program is to blame for this and how it goes against the the Constitution.

          Ragspierre in reply to MarkSmith. | November 1, 2017 at 11:42 am

          No, you lying little POS, you’ve NEVER connected me with your Jacobin bullshit, and you CANNOT.

          Was Schumer’s act “constitutional”? Sure. If you say it was NOT, cite to where it’s UNconstitutional, moron.

          Was it a good, wise law? Hell, no! Was it “legal”. Absolutely. It was passed by our process into law.

          Oh, BTW, didn’t Der Donald support Schumer with his money? You flucking moron.

          MarkSmith in reply to MarkSmith. | November 1, 2017 at 12:06 pm

          Rags: No, you lying little POS, you’ve NEVER connected me with your Jacobin bullshit, and you CANNOT.

          Ha, too funny. I did a year ago August. But “new” must mean something a lot older.

          https://legalinsurrection.com/2016/08/hillary-ad-tries-to-scare-people-about-trump-but-will-it-backfire/

          Ragspierre in reply to MarkSmith. | November 1, 2017 at 12:16 pm

          Yep. As I said. You learned a new term…or you at least heard it…and you’ve been smearing me with it since. Inappositely. (Look it up, moron!)

          NO connection whatsoever with me. But is sure does seem to apply to YOU! And your “nationalist populist” bullshit “leader”.

    Arminius in reply to Ragspierre. | November 1, 2017 at 2:19 am

    Yeah. There’s just no way. We already know border/port entry control won’t work. Because it’s racist. Neither will strict immigration control and barring entry from failed states. Because that’s racist, too. And of course monitoring mosques, 80 percent of which are Saudi-funded and spread the evil Wahhabism that produces Salafi terrorists, won’t work because, racism.

    Or, maybe they would work if we could try it. But we can’t. SOMEBODY won’t let us.

    Funny, I don’t see how I live in a free society when I’m forced to go along with this suicidal stupidity by unelected black robed Mullahs. Err, I meant unelected federal judges.

      Ragspierre in reply to Arminius. | November 1, 2017 at 8:32 am

      “Yeah. There’s just no way.”

      But I never suggested that. What I HAVE said, for years now, is that we have to FIND ways and APPLY them.

      Right here on these threads, I’ve supported intense vetting of asylum-seekers. I support and supported T-rump’s SECOND EO (the first was simply stupidly drafted and presented).

      I’ve supported the monitoring of mosques.

      Note that exactly NONE of your fixes would necessarily work to stop this particular terrorist. He entered the nation legally, right through the front door. He’s been here at least seven years.

      You claim to be a former intelligence guy. Can’t you think of anything available to detect threats?

      And poor iddy-waddims, you are imposed on and “unfree” because you live in a nation where the rule of law obtains. You are free to leave. Any time.

        “”Yeah. There’s just no way.”

        “But I never suggested that”

        “There’s no way to stop them in a free society.”

        Perhaps you might like to rephrase that statement.

        “What I HAVE said, for years now, is that we have to FIND ways and APPLY them.”

        We already know how to stop much of it. Stop importing them. Deport the non citizens that are unknowns.

        “Note that exactly NONE of your fixes would necessarily work to stop this particular terrorist. He entered the nation legally, right through the front door. He’s been here at least seven years.”

        Eliminate the Schumer program of diversity lottery entry. Trump has already asked congress to eliminate it.

        Don’t allow anyone in to the country that cannot pass an extreme vetting procedure. Or just simply say no more unless we think they make the country better.
        Deport all illegals. Deport non citizens here legally if they cannot pass post entry extreme vetting.

        “…where the rule of law obtains.”

        Separate rules for the officials and for us commoners apparently. When the rule of law does not apply equally, there is no rule of law.

        Ragspierre in reply to Ragspierre. | November 1, 2017 at 11:16 am

        “We already know how to stop much of it.”

        Yeeeeeeeup. As I said, and you now are forced to admit.

        “Deport all illegals. Deport non citizens here legally if they cannot pass post entry extreme vetting.”

        Nobody, including your Great Goad Cheeto, is behind that. He’s on record as being FOR amnesty for illegals.

        But, naturally, you ignore the component of “them” (you are too cowardly to name “them”) who are citizens, and who are some of the MOST radical in the U.S.

        So, we’re back to admitting that what I said is true. We can’t stop such attacks. That does not mean we should not be proactive in preventing them. And you know it, and like lying about me.

          MarkSmith in reply to Ragspierre. | November 1, 2017 at 11:51 am

          Something to think about:

          According to the National Academy of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine, the current immigration system costs the Nation as much as $296 billion every year.

          Also, the Jacobin said: “He’s on record as being FOR amnesty for illegals.”

          Ok, back it up. He is also on the record as being Against amnesty for illegals. My guess is you are cherry picking to help make the hurt go away. Less than a week to go to re-live the election anniversary.

          “(you are too cowardly to name “them”)”

          You are a flippin nut.

          Citizens have constitutional protections that make it harder to deal with, but not impossible.
          Start by not letting more in, deport the ones here that are not citizens.

          Ragspierre in reply to Ragspierre. | November 1, 2017 at 2:06 pm

          What…??? Are you just combing Wiki to find some shit to throw at the wall now? Nobody here is in love with our immigration system. It’s an implicit lie to imply that, and you know it.

          “Our message to the world will be this: you cannot obtain legal status, or become a citizen of the United States, by illegally entering our country,” he stated during the speech.

          However, last week President Trump announced that the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) amnesty program will be rescinded in six months and that Congress has until then to “legalize DACA,” which protects roughly 800,000 illegal immigrants from deportation.

          When asked during Tuesday’s White House press briefing about Trump’s support of amnesty, Sanders replied, “I think the president has spoken out very clearly that he wants us to make this decision based on a variety of factors. But the number one thing is that he wants responsible immigration reform and part of that is including that in the process.”

          Der Donald wants amnesty for DREAMERS. How stupid are you?

          He wants “touch-back amnesty” for the “good ones”, as he’s said MANY times. His wall will have “great big, beautiful doors” for them.

          Where’s that post fitting me up as a “Jacobin”, you lying little POS?

          Ragspierre in reply to Ragspierre. | November 1, 2017 at 2:13 pm

          Barri, you’re such a coward, you just did it AGAIN…!!!

          You MEAN to say “Muslims”. Deport ALLLLLLLLLL Muslims!

          You’re the nutter. That will NEVER happen, and it CAN’T happen. Not in the world of reality.

          Again, according to hard data, some of the MOST radical Muslims in the U.S. were BORN here. And you’ll NEVER bar people from converting. Nor will you prevent terrorists from coming here.

          There will ALWAYS be terrorist attacks. The goal is to proactively minimize them.

          And you know it. But, as always, you love to lie.

          Milhouse in reply to Ragspierre. | November 1, 2017 at 6:52 pm

          According to the National Academy of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine, the current immigration system costs the Nation as much as $296 billion every year.

          Um, no. There is no such thing as “the National Academy of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine”. Those are three separate academies, which work together as the National Research Council. And the NRC found that the average immigrant, over the course of his life, contributes a net $80,0000 to state, local and federal budgets.

          Like the good little prog you are, you start calling me a bigot. Par for the left.

          “Deport” is not racial you cowardly prog hiding behind a conservative fig leaf.

          “Deport” is not religious you cowardly prog hiding behind a conservative fig leaf.

          You are always siding with the left and use their tactics.

          I said don’t allow people in to start with that present a threat. They could be from Pakistan or Mexico.

          I said deport those that are here legally, but unable to pass extreme vetting now, something that wasn’t done before they arrived.

          Only a prog calls that a bigoted position. Which is you.

          Ragspierre in reply to Ragspierre. | November 1, 2017 at 9:00 pm

          Barri, honnnneee, baby, darlin’…

          Show ONE time I used the term “bigot”. I didn’t.

          What I DID say…and was totally accurate in saying…is that you were being a coward. You just were.

          Now you’re stomping around here calling me a “prog”. That’s another act of pure cowardice, and another known lie.

          IF you advocate deporting all Muslims, get your balls up and say so. It’s a stupid, fatally impossible, and despicable idea, but, hey, man up and own it. Let that freak flag FLY…!!!

          You can try to plant words into others mouths like all progs do, and then think you will not get called on it.

          I didn’t call for banning all Muslims and you know it. I call for banning all unknowns from entry in the USA, regardless of their religion or origin.

          You are a prog, and a liar. And you know the definiton of bigot which is what you try to tar others with.

          Ragspierre in reply to Ragspierre. | November 1, 2017 at 9:11 pm

          No, Butt-hurt Barri. I’m nothing of the sort.

          You, conversely, tortured what I DID say into something I’ve NEVER said, and you did it knowing that what I DID say is consistent with all I’ve said on the matter.

          You’re a nutter. And I know you well enough to know that if you posted your real opinions here, you’d be a pariah. You don’t because you ARE a coward. True fact.

          MarkSmith in reply to Ragspierre. | November 1, 2017 at 11:30 pm

          Nice try Milhouse but you are being dishonest about The National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine trying to imply that it does not exist, thus the quote is not correct.

          Second, $80,000 over say 50 years is like $1,600 annual. That is a far cry from the 290+ Billion spent annually and likely does not include illegal immigrants. I took the quote from a White House press release, so if you have a problem with the quote take it up to them.

          Third, I just received a letter saying my Bronze plan health insurance is going up by $1200, monthly. Guess what, that additional costs, making my monthly payment $2800 which I must monthly write a check for, is covering those that do not pay. It looks like I can’t replace my 2004 car now, like I have hoped. Again, I am screwed by the government, just like I was paying for the neighbor that maxed out his equity on his house and then took a government bailout instead of losing it like he should have because he bought ATV’s, a new car and TV’s.

          I am sick of before forced to paying for everyone else and I don’t thing Trump or anyone else is going to go to bat for me. At least Trump appears to be saving my 401 K, which the Jacobin’s fan club wants to take from me.

          So Milhouse, your statement offers zero value to the conservation and does not even come close to discrediting the original statement.

          “Um, no. There is no such thing as “the National Academy of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine”. Those are three separate academies, which work together as the National Research Council. And the NRC found that the average immigrant, over the course of his life, contributes a net $80,0000 to state, local and federal budgets.”

          BTW here is the address for “The National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine”

          The National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine
          500 Fifth Street, NW | Washington, DC 20001 | T. 202.334.2000

          http://www.nationalacademies.org/about/whoweare/index.html

          You are being dishonest about the academies. I actually was considering working for the Academy of Sciences in the 90’s, so I am aware of what they do.

          Direct from their webpage”

          As science began to play an ever-increasing role in national priorities and public life, the National Academy of Sciences eventually expanded to include the National Research Council in 1916, the National Academy of Engineering in 1964, and the National Academy of Medicine, which was established in 1970 as the Institute of Medicine.

          The NRC is just the clearing house and governing board for the Academies that actually do the work. Bottomline, “The National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine” does exist.

          Here is a nice little write up as to the NRC:

          The NRC “guides the acceptance of subjects for study by the institution, their examination by a committee of volunteers, and institutional review and approval of the committee’s report”. The basic mission of the NRC is to provide most of the service undertaken by the NAS and NAE. Issues relating to public health are addressed by the Institute of Medicine. The NRC subjects all work, from project proposals to finished products, “to critical review by a body of peers highly knowledgeable in the subject matter.” This prevents the committee from taking a narrow view of a problem or failing to fully consider or properly document data pertinent to the issue.

          “You, conversely, tortured what I DID say into something I’ve never said…”

          Your first comment:
          “As I’ve predicted, these kinds of attack will continue. Simply because they are too cost-effective. There’s no way to stop them in a free society.”

          Doesn’t require any torture, just replaying your comment.

          Unlike you, prog, that has to make up things you wish I had said, then call me a coward for not having said them.

          I always post precisely what I mean. If I make a mistake I’ll say so.

          As I say, you’re a dishonest prog. Always have been.

          Ragspierre in reply to Ragspierre. | November 2, 2017 at 8:52 am

          You had to admit that my statement was perfectly TRUE.

          Where you DID torture what I said was in implying that I felt we had to get used to it.

          Which was a lie. Because that’s who you are.

          Sorry, no, I admitted no such thing about any statement made by you. Progs live in fantasy worlds, as do you. Everything you say is an outright lie.

          I can quote you directly. You have to make up smear “quotes” for me. As you are a proven liar.

          Ragspierre in reply to Ragspierre. | November 3, 2017 at 9:17 am

          “There is no way to stop ALL of these attacks.”

          No one has made that case. And that is not what Raggsy said. Maybe that is what he meant.
          —Butt-hurt Barri, the lying nutter and coward

          Right there is your admission. Suck it.

We are no longer a “free society”. The inability to face the realty of the enemy has reduced Western societies to hide behind ever increasing barricades and restrictions.

The cost of “diversity” and “tolerance” is disproportionately placed on the victims (and their families) by politicians who hope and hope and hope that promises of “inclusion” will finally result in assimilation. These is no real downside to this reckless behavior… maybe being voted out of office but no consequence for making fatal errors. Given that privilege, they abuse it.

Well… there is assimilation but it is the West into submission to Islam. The West is paying the “tax” to live with and under Islamic pressure.

    Ragspierre in reply to alaskabob. | October 31, 2017 at 9:48 pm

    Really? This is no longer a “free society”? Wow.

      Freedom does not seem binary.
      On middle school playgrounds in 1952-1956, frequently heard refrains included:

      Sticks and stones will break my bones etc., and
      You can’t make me, it’s a free country.

      My grandkids tell me that there were no similar words spoken anywhere in their K-12 years.
      To me, that is an indication that our country is not as free as it once was.
      And there are hundreds of other examples:

      In college I marveled that you could travel, by car, anonymously all around the country, unless you were caught speeding. It’s not that way anymore.

      To me, that is another freedom we used to have, but have no more.
      So, while we have more freedoms than many other countries, we do not have as many as we did before, and I do not feel as free as I did years ago.

    It’ll come to a head. But these lunatics won’t be taking over. This isn’t Europe.

    Had hillary clinton won the election, this freak would have been part of a street army previously assembled by obama, and we’d be toast.

    But a funny thing happened on the way to the White House….

    The bullet we just dodged was a trillion caliber. Never forget that.

    Aarradin in reply to alaskabob. | November 1, 2017 at 12:50 am

    If we were still a free country, news reports would all be correctly identifying the MOTIVE of this terrorist attack. Headlines would all include the words “Muslim Terror”.

    Instead, almost none are. Even on internet sites that pretend to be Conservative.

    ALL are censoring the news to protect Islam.

    Voltaire nailed it when he said, “To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize”.

Trump doesn’t get it. The problem isn’t Isis the problem is Islam. Islam, at that time in the form of the pasha of Tripoli, started taking Americans hostage and impressing them into slavery in the 1780s. Before that they were taking Europeans from coastal areas of the Continent, Scotland and Ireland.

I wouldn’t assume that the perp is either “sick or deranged”. I’d guess that he’s just unusually devout.

    He’s no different than the freaks being recruited by antifa – and paid for by the likes of soros and hillary clinton – that coming to a street near you.

    Be prepared for it.

      Actually they are a different breed of cat. It’s just that the antifa idiots are too stupid to know it. The antifa idiots think the ISIS types (seriously, antifa reps from Oakland CA have met with ISIS terrorists in Hamburg, GE) think they’re making friends because they both hate Western civilization and both believe in ruling through reigns of terror. But while the ISIS terrorists smile to they’re faces in their hearts they curse the antifa terrorists. As Allah commands, “Let not believers take disbelievers as allies rather than believers. And whoever [of you] does that has nothing with Allah, except when taking precaution against them in prudence…”

      That’s actually the Quran verse (3:28) that uses a variant of the word “taqiyah” or concealment. Muslims can pretend to be friends with these infidels on the outside, but never inwardly. They can conceal their true intentions to make a tactical alliance with antifa to take precautions against the infidels in general. But their true intentions are to kill the antifa posers first as they’ll never share power with their rivals.

      Think of the infighting among the communists in the early Soviet Union after the revolution. The Bolsheviks never had any intention of sharing power with the Mensheviks or the Trotskyites or the Bukharinites or…

      You get the idea. At first the Bolsheviks needed them. But as soon as they no longer needed them, they disposed of them.

      All the antifa idiots are to the Islamic terrorists are “useful infidels.” Antifa has no idea who they are dealing with.

Muhammad created Islam as a fanatical religion of war dedicated to world conquest and the imposition of a sharia based tyranny to rule. While the vast majority of those who call themselves Muslims are peaceful the truth is that they are apostates who violated the commands of Muhammad. It’s past time to treat Islam the same way we treated Nazism during WW2 and ban it in the USA.

    Milhouse in reply to ConradCA. | November 1, 2017 at 12:01 pm

    We did not ban nazism during WW2. We couldn’t, any more than we could ban communism during the Cold War. We can’t ban any idea, no matter what. The first amendment absolutely prohibits it, and it is not subject to any balancing test.

      Barry in reply to Milhouse. | November 1, 2017 at 1:55 pm

      You are being disingenuous.

      You can ban importing nazis, commies, and any other class of people. They have no right to enter.

      They have no constitutional rights at all.

        Milhouse in reply to Barry. | November 1, 2017 at 7:00 pm

        You are disingenuous. Banning something does not mean simply refusing entry to foreigners who meet certain criteria.

        Yes, you can refuse to allow new Moslems in, if you really want to. It’s a dumb idea, but it’s constitutional and doable. But you cannot do anything about Moslems who are already here, because the constitution protects all persons in the USA equally, whether they’re citizens or aliens, and whether they entered legally or not. And the constitution forbids any government action that would have a chilling effect on protected speech, or on the free exercise of any religion, including Islam.

          Barry in reply to Milhouse. | November 1, 2017 at 9:00 pm

          Nope just made a mistake. I missed the part calling for a ban on the ideology within the USA.

          I *thought* the comment was referencing banning those deemed to pose a threat from entry into the USA.

          My mistake, sorry.

In liberal fantasy world, it is white republicans who try to run over innocent people. In the real world, it is Muslims who try to run over innocent people.
What is in some respects more frightening than the terror attacks, is the willingness and outright desire of our ruling “elites” to act as though the liberal fantasy world is the real one. They are quite satisfied with the new “normal” of monthly terror killings of the repugnantly intolerant and unsophisticated “Xenophobes” that are common citizens who possess common sense.

Deblasio described it as a ‘cowardly act of terror’. I didn’t realize it could be otherwise. What a loathsome left-wing chooch.

    He’s an oaf.

    Imagine if this bozo was mayor at 9/11, instead of Rudy Gulliani?

      Subotai Bahadur in reply to TheFineReport.com. | November 1, 2017 at 12:48 am

      Not an oaf. On the enemy’s side.

      YellowSnake in reply to TheFineReport.com. | November 1, 2017 at 7:56 pm

      Yeah, Rudy Giuliani was the brilliant strategist who put his command center in the World Trade Center even though it had been attacked before.

      Yeah, Rudy Giuliani was also brilliant when he wasn’t there to stop hundreds of police and fireman from continuing to enter the towers after it was clear that it had become futile. He was busy setting up a temporary command center in Brooklyn.

      Yeah, Rudy Giuliani was also brilliant when he sent thousands of workers and volunteers into the debris without proper safety equipment so that many of them died from long, lingering, chronic respiratory illnesses and cancer. See, the job had to be done fast even if it cost more lives. Where were the stockpiles of safety equipment?

      Yeah, Rudy Giuliani was also brilliant when he figured out how to take credit for the heroism and ignore criticism for the screw-ups. Believe me, people knew. Giuliani offered to stay on past the end of his term because he claimed to be the only one to be able to fix things. He was politely told to take a hike.

      So Giuliani ran for president; again portraying himself as the hero of 9/11. He had a huge war chest. He got ONE delegate for an expenditure of $10 Million.

      BTW, there were security experts who predicted that the WTC would be hit again. Giuliani was not one of them.

    Aarradin in reply to CleanTowelie. | November 1, 2017 at 3:00 am

    “Terror” – but zero mention of what the motivation for it was.

    Terrorism, “the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.”

    ALL Terrorists act to advance a particular cause. Refusing to name that cause, by a “journalist” or a politician, serves only to enable future attacks.

    If you can’t even MENTION the fact that Islam was the inspiration for this atrocity, then there will not even be a discussion about what can be done to prevent the next attack. And, of course, zero action taken to solve the problem.

    They won’t go after anyone that taught this MUSLIM TERRORIST that he should sacrifice his life for his faith, they won’t go after anyone in his family or community that encouraged him or supported him, and they certainly won’t go after anyone at any of the mosques that he went regardless of how openly they preach the violent jihad that Islam calls for.

Call it what it is ,,, a Terrorist Attack by a Muslim !! This Diaper Head came into the US while Dingle Barry was president. Muslim mosques have been built to harbor these murderers just like a Trojan Horse,, all courtesy of the Lunatic Liberals & demoCRAPS !!

Well if we prevented people from buying tires, then we can prevent future events like this. Hey Chuck, did you here that.

The Green Card Lottery (official known as the Diversity Visa program) was designed to bring in more Europeans and Africans to provide some balance against all the Latin Americans and Asians coming in. Specifically the original version on which Schumer’s version was based was carefully designed to bring in more Irishmen.

This joker got one of these visas because for the purpose of the lottery Uzbekistan counts as Europe.

I wouldn’t want to get into the flame wars, above. But Ragspierre is right in one respect. There is no way to stop ALL of these attacks. What we could do, besides recommended changes to immigration laws, is to free the First Amendment from politically correct nonsense and to begin permitting and encouraging free and open debate about Islamic ideology. Anyone is free to criticize my religion (I’m a traditionalist Christian), and many people do. We need to have open study of and discussion of Islam and what it teaches without the so-common charges of “racism” or “xenophobia” or whatever name people choose to shut down open debate.

    “There is no way to stop ALL of these attacks.”

    No one has made that case. And that is not what Raggsy said. Maybe that is what he meant.

    The first is fine. We are doing that here. Good luck trying to get the PC group to open up.

      tarheelkate in reply to Barry. | November 1, 2017 at 2:11 pm

      We’re doing First Amendment open discussion here, but try posting something elsewhere, or giving a lecture at a university, or writing a letter to a news publisher, and see what happens.

        As I said with “Good luck trying…”

        You’ll need to defeat the progs handmaidens first, then you stand a chance of ending the PC culture.

      Ragspierre in reply to Barry. | November 1, 2017 at 2:28 pm

      That’s EXACTLY what I said…and HAVE SAID numerous times.

      You just will find any excuse to slime me because I will not join your cult.

        MarkSmith in reply to Ragspierre. | November 1, 2017 at 5:33 pm

        “You just will find any excuse to slime me because I will not join your cult.”

        Sure, that’s the ticket. Keep thinking that.

        Thanks, No. My “cult” has a sign out, NO PROGS ALLOWED.

          Ragspierre in reply to Barry. | November 1, 2017 at 9:23 pm

          But your man-crush IS a “Prog”. Of loooooooong standing and deep commitment.

          So funny…!!!!

          Barry in reply to Barry. | November 2, 2017 at 1:15 am

          Trump is a lot more conservative than the Bush’s, McCains, or Romney you voted for.

          Everything he has done has been conservative. Everyone but Texas progs can see this.

Again, you are cherry picking and being dishonest about the facts. Let start with the wiki reference. I doubt I have many references to wiki on my post. Check my links and report back to me on that. In several posts I even link back to founder letters. If I can find something that links back to original documents, I will post it, unlike you.

Now for illegal immigration. DACA represents something like 800 K of illegals. That is roughly 6.7% of all illegals. What about the 93% (from left leaning Pew), my guess is the total number of illegals is higher.

If Trump wants to comprise 6% of Illegals to get what he wants from the Dems, I say go for it in comparison to 100% we have now.

The fact that he is putting on Congress to get it right plays in to how he can leverage the 2018 elections against your globalist fan club members.

You prove the Jacobin label by bipolar supporting this concept of NeverTrump without actually providing anything other than your opinion the same way the American Jacobin’s love the French Revolution.

I know, it is over your head, but I guess I would not expect you to figure it out anyways. Go ahead, call me a liar.

BTW, I see you purposeful avoided addressing the fact that your DACA rant only impacts 6% of all illegals. Do you get your talking points from Morning Joe or the DNC?

    Ragspierre in reply to MarkSmith. | November 1, 2017 at 5:05 pm

    Why would I bother with your de minimis bullshit?

    Amnesty is amnestly. Your cult leader is as full of shit as are you. Or close.

    Why didn’t you address his plans for “touch-back” amnesty, you cowardly POS?

    Oh, and I’m STILL waiting for that Jacobin suit you were going to fit on me. Liar.

      MarkSmith in reply to Ragspierre. | November 1, 2017 at 5:47 pm

      Amnesty is amnestly. Your cult leader is as full of shit as are you.

      Nice argument. How many bubble gum wrappers did you spend to get your law degree?

      Since you have your DNC talking points why don’t you ‘splain the Trump touch back policies. Also ‘splain how Trump is going to get anything passed in Congress with a bunch of your Globalist fan club members in the House and Senate? Reagan had to work with Tip ONeil to make things happen. How is Trump going to do that? Aw, but since your butt hurts you can’t have a reasonable discussion about that.

      The Jacobin was pushing an all out revolt against Trump before the election; even advocating voting for Clinton , just like those American Jacobin’s revolted against the Federalist in support of Jefferson. Viva La France!

        Ragspierre in reply to MarkSmith. | November 1, 2017 at 6:01 pm

        “The Jacobin was pushing an all out revolt against Trump before the election; even advocating voting for Clinton , just like those American Jacobin’s revolted against the Federalist in support of Jefferson. Viva La France!”

        I never advocated voting for either of the pukes, and that’s very, VERY established here, you lying lil’ POS.

        Calling me a “Jacobin” and telling outright, demonstrated lies about me doesn’t provide one scintilla of proof you…

        1. know what a Jacobin was historically

        2. know what a Jacobin is in modern parlance, or

        3. can show any smidgen of commonality between me and that term you keep stupidly misusing.

        BTW, you moron, how does someone (i.e., an American) “revolt” against T-rump? You’re SUCH an Alt-right butt-boi…!!!

      MarkSmith in reply to Ragspierre. | November 1, 2017 at 5:50 pm

      “Why would I bother with your de minimis bullshit?”

      You won’t bother because you are lazy.

There’s no way to stop them in a free society.

Correct.

There is no way to prevent them in a free society where crackpots are allowed to roam free and people with mental illness at all stages of development are not arrested immediately at first indication of anything off. It is not possible without something akin to Minority Report application.

At the same time, this free society did stop this attack. As I understand what I read the school bus driver smashed his empty bus into the attacking truck and brought that phase of the attack to a stop, the attacker then fled on foot with paint ball gun and a pellet gun, and was then shot in the butt bringing him to a stop. Without the bus driver crashing his bus the attack would have been worse. The attack was stopped. But it was stopped in progress, not prevented entirely.

That’s pretty good reaction, wouldn’t you say? Quick thinking, “I must stop this. I must smash this bus and whatever happens next, happens.” That’s heroic thinking and action right there.

Or maybe it’s just plain rash.

And if it wasn’t an ISIS Islamist then it’d be some non Muslim disturbed in some other way about something else at some other place. Insanity cannot be stopped. Presently.

And if the weapons are not trucks, or they’re not firearms, or not knives, or not explosives, or not chemicals, or not acid, or not electromagnetic pulses, or not sound waves, or not jet airplanes, then they’re something else like poisonous snakes, or instant ice, or food supply disruption, submarines, or wrecking balls, steam rollers, stolen firetrucks, or anything that can be smashed, any catastrophe that can be imagined, a bicycle pump tossed into the spokes, a bucket of hot oil place atop a door, any punk that is possible from deranged minds.

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