NBC Falsely Suggests Trump Talked of ‘Terror Incident’ in Sweden
Straw man argument to distract from actual immigration problems in Sweden.
The MSM is falsely portraying President Trump as having alleged on Saturday that a “terror” attack had occurred the night before in Sweden. Take, for example, this NBC story headlined “Donald Trump Explains Sweden Terror Comment That Baffled a Nation.” In addition to the misleading headline, the story includes a video clip of President Trump making his remarks. The chyron at the bottom of the screen reads “President Trump appears to refer to a non-existent terror incident in Sweden.”
But if you listen to the president’s remarks, you’ll see that he never mentioned terror. He said: “The bottom line: we’ve got to keep our country safe. You look at what’s happening in Germany. You look at what’s happening last night in Sweden. Sweden! Who would believe this? Sweden! They took in large numbers, they’re having problems like they never thought possible.”
As President Trump subsequently clarified in a tweet, he was referring to a segment on Tucker Carlson’s Fox News show in which filmmaker Ami Horowitz discussed the rape crisis in Sweden. But leave it to the MSM to cast President Trump’s statements in the most problematic light.
Note: NBC was not alone in falsely suggesting that President Trump had cited a “terror” attack in Sweden. Major media outlets in the US and abroad have made similar allegations, as here, here and here.
Note segundo: Here is President Trump’s statement on the situation in Sweden. He makes no mention of “terror,” speaking instead of the “large numbers” of immigrants that Sweden took in.
And here is the segment from Tucker Carlson’s Fox News show of February 17, 2017, regarding the rape crisis in Sweden, to which President Trump alluded:
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Just more of the all-out assault. MSM howitzers loaded with BS rounds.
MSM is completely delusional now. Somebody needs to tell them that we can go straight to the source now, and quickly see what really happened. It’s time for them to accept the new paradigm
Sweden is in full denial of its immigrant crime/rape crisis. It even blacks out media coverage. (see: http://i.4cdn.org/pol/1487549688331.webm )
The US media is in full collusion and has no interest in showing what’s really happening in Sweden. Obviously, if the Swedish problem doesn’t exist, then Trump is delusional for mentioning it.
Sweden is the new German 3rd Reich like state?
Just the simple fact that they use the word ‘appears’ tells you all you need to know about the disgusting condition of the current mainstream journalism ethics!
It’s odd that all of us knew exactly what he was talking about. The MSM is so busy with #fakenews that they don’t know real news.
“The bottom line, we’ve got to keep our country safe. You look at what’s happening in Germany. You look at what’s happening last night in Sweden. Sweden! Who would believe this? Sweden! They took in large numbers, they’re having problems like they never thought possible.”
I’m confused, what are you saying Trump meant by “You look at what’s happening last night in Sweden”?
Are you saying he meant the news report was “happening last night in Sweden”?
Are you saying he meant immigration and crime was “happening last night in Sweden”?
You highlighted the part where he’s talking about immigration, but that’s not the part that talks about a discrete event, it’s not the portion of the quote NBC is referring to. Talk about being dishonest. Yeah, he was talking about immigration overall, but he referred to a discrete event that occurred in Sweden the night before. What was that discrete event?
It’s gonna be a long 4 years for you, parsing every Trump turn of phrase, microanalyzing every pronoun. Might as well cut open a goat and study the entrails.
This isn’t trying to divine some special meaning from the fact that he talked about X or Y, it’s not like analyzing Fed Speak or something. He made a claim that some discrete event happened the night before in Sweden that showed they’re having problems with immigration. Is it really over-analyzing him to question that?
Most people don’t speak in complete, grammatically perfect sentences. Then again, only some people can tell the difference in pronunciation between “they’re rapists” and “their rapists”, apparently.
The likes of NBC ‘news’ have become parody of themselves.
They’re now less akin to the Soviet Pravada than they are to Baghdad Bob.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfAeMtcURg0
When a ‘news’ story comes up from the democrat media outlets, it’s worth ignoring – you’ll appreciate having those extra moments of your life back.
what the MSM did was to run with a story that trump was making a false reference to a specific event which occurred in Sweden on Friday night. In other words, the made an ASSUMPTION as to what he was referring. And when you ASSUME, you make an ass out of you and me. They did not ask him what he he was referring to and wait for clarification. They though that they had a “gotcha” moment and ran with it. However, Trump clarified his statement and it makes TOTAL sense. What is amazing is that Fox news ran a crawl that that they could not find anything in reference to Sweden which was broadcast on Friday night. This, even though Tucker Carlson had just such a segment on Friday night on FOX NEWS. Gotcha reporting often leads to embarrassment for the reporting agency. Verify, verify, verify.
How does his “clarification” make sense? He didn’t address what discrete event on Friday night in Sweden he was referring to.
That is just it? He was NOT referring to a DISCREET element which occurred in Sweden on Friday night but on the Tucker Carlson interview which AIRED on Friday night. He clarified that on Twitter. The media, in what they thought was a “gotcha” moment, either ASSUMED that he was speaking of a discreet incident which occurred in Sweden on Friday night or, not finding one, jumped to the conclusion that Trump was either incorrect or lied. They did not seek clarification or did not wait for clarification before they ran with a story based upon an assumption. If they had asked for clarification and waited 24 hours for it, then they wouldn’t look stupid. Even FOX news ran with the story and it turns out that Trump was referring to one of THEIR programs.
Why did you capitalize your use of the wrong word? “Discreet” refers to being unobtrusive or judicious in conduct or speech, generally so as not to attract attention. If your credit card gets declined, you hope the clerk lets you know about it in a discreet manner.
“Discrete”, which is the word I used and meant to use, means individual or distinct.
Trump’s statement quite explicitly refers to a discrete event that occurred in Sweden the night before. “You look at what’s happening last night in Sweden” references something that happened last night *in Sweden*. That Fox News report did not happen last night in Sweden, it wasn’t even about last night in Sweden, it happened last night in the US and was about Sweden over the past months and years.
Mac45, You can’t fix stupid, which means you can’t fix Awing1. You’re taking zim seriously and ze’s just having fun.
Remember when Tyrant Obama the Liar promised over and over that people could keep their insurance plans if they wanted and how we were going to save $2,500 a year? Then when it became obvious that these were lies Obama said that he was sorry that the American people were to stupid to understand that he was lying to them. The progressive fascist propagandists didn’t make a big deal out of Obama’s bald faced lying as they are making about Trump’s lack of clarity.
The double standard among these Progressive Fascists who pretend to be reporters is amazing.
How many of them called Tyrant Obama the Liar a liar when he said “You can keep your insurance and doctors if you want. No one is going to take them away. Period!”. While at the same Tim he and Grubber were writing the regulations that forced insurance companies to cancel people’s policies. Then when everyone knew he lied he had the gall to say “I am sorry that you were too stupid to understand that I was lying to you.”.
Your schtick must be a blast at election watch parties.
The event was a discussion on Tucker Carlson’s show that reported the massive increases in crimes in Sweden due to Muslims. We don’t want these criminal and terrorists to come to the US. That is why Trump’s restrictions on the terrorist producing countries makes sense.
I would have put vetting on all countries, extreme vetting on Muslims and allow almost no one from countries where vetting is impossible.
Trump is somewwhat inarticulate, and instead of saying:
he said:
Sammy Finkelman: now, that’s my kind of reader 🙂
Are you two brothers?
Not related at all – closely, at any rate.
Actually, I had to hear this this morning in order to realize exactly what went wrong.
Curtis Sliwa on WABC radio 779 AM in New York is still confused – talk radio shows that take calls don’t take enough telephone calls nowadays, unlike maybe the way they were in the 1980s.
Trump has always had a speaking style which leads to somewhat vague statements. By now the media should be used to this and request clarification when they have a question. Instead, they are so focused on finding any statement which may be an error, in an effort to deflect from their own errors and bias in reporting, that they end up making themselves look silly.
Who looks dumber? Trump for making a vague statement about immigration problems in Sweden or Fox News who actually ran a show on those immigration problems on Friday night, then couldn’t find a specific incident in Sweden on Friday night?
The media shot themselves in the foot again.
Trump made a claim that a discrete event occurred in Sweden the night before that supported his point. What that discrete event was may be ambiguous, but the claim itself isn’t, it’s just patently false. I don’t see how Fox News looks bad for running a story about problems with immigration in Sweden generally and then, when asked if they referred to a specific event happening the day that story ran in Sweden, saying they did not. They didn’t.
How do you twist that to Fox looking dumber than Trump?
Sorry, he did not reference a discreet event. His statement was interpreted that way.
Just so everyone here understands, what you are doing is is interpreting a vague statement in such a way as to make it seem that it was intentionally inaccurate. This is done to impeach the veracity of the person making the statement. “Members of the jury. This is obviously an inaccurate statement. So, the witness can not be believed”. But, as every attorney knows, people are sometimes unclear when making statements and that a vague statement may be misinterpreted. And, if an attorney’s witness makes a vague statement which may be interpreted as being misleading, they are quick to have the witness clarify their statement. This is what happened here. And, the explanation is compelling, especially given the existence of the Carlson interview on the date specified. It is so compelling, that it makes the media look bad, not good for their reporting.
Again, the appropriate word is “discrete”, not “discreet”, and no, his statement was not ambiguous. His statement was wrong. If he wants to claim he misspoke, he can make that claim, but he hasn’t. The only way you can get his statement to fit his “clarification” is if you completely suspend the rules of the English language and make some new ones.
He made a vague claim about what was “happening”, not about what “happened”. A discrete event is usually something that “happened”, not something that is “happening”. The reference may have been vague, but the rapefugee crisis in Sweden is very clear.
As your posts here tend to be patently absurd! Yes, by parsing President Trump’s language at the precisionist level you are able to make the claim that he presented a falsehood about a discreet event; that he lied. However, at any level lower than precisionist, which very few people ever use even in technical writing, his wording falls into a generalist level and can be interpreted as referring to either a discreet event or a generalization of overall events. Or, as in this case, to a news report that did indeed happen on the day in question.
By insisting on interpreting President Trump’s language usage as precisionist when it is abundantly clear that it is not, you show yourself to be more interested in advancing your own view of what his language should be rather than what it is.
As Salena Zito brilliantly observed: the press takes Trump literally, but not seriously; his supporters take him seriously, but not literally.
Are you saying Trump was speaking metaphorically? That he was exaggerating? Neither of those options seem to fit here. It seems that he was just lying to bolster his argument.
“Are you saying…”
No, you kooky commie headcase. We are saying you are a nut.
Nobody here is going to buy your kooky BS.
NBC = Liars!
It’s not really NBCs fault (and certaainly not when NBCwas not alone)
Trump misspoke.
he said:
When what he should have said was:
There’s quite a difference.
The first means something happened last night, and the second means a general “you” looked (or could have) last night.
Trump said the words in the wrong order. And also, he talked like everybody saw the Fox News documentary, while in fact most people didn’t.
The show itself had an error on this point, but not so great. It said an attack had happened “recently” (although not that night) But the last Islamist terrorist attack in Sweden that anyone remembers was in 2010.
When what he should have said was:
What YOU should have said was: Yes, Tucker Carlson did a show on Friday night on immigration disaster in Sweden, and Trump was clearly referring to it.
Anyone can play that game. It’s fun.
The show also claimed that Sweden and everybody was hiding the incidence of crimes committed by Muslims, which, perhaps they are, or at least not publicizing.
There are people who have a problem wih the idea of criminality not being split evenly between all people. But it is, of course, very very much associated with who someone’s friends are, and thus different between social groups.
And even the tiniest racial or religious disparities will be magnified in time by differential law enforcement. This is especially so if there is an uptick for any reason, and the budget is not increased. And governments have a very very hard time increasing budgets for anything.
They should get rid of annual budgets. The greatest contributor to the dysfunction of the federal government is the federal budget.
Sammy Finkelman (af3697) — 2/20/2017 @ 8:02
When your leaders allow a huge number of barbarian criminals into your country and attempt to hide the massive number of crimes these barbarians commit they are betraying their duty to their citizens.
The media missed a chance to catch the error, because they didn’t pay attention to the fact that Donald Trump said:
and NOT
That means, there had to be some syntactical error in the sentence.
The error, however, was not in saying “what’s happening” instead of “what happened; but in misplacing the aderbial phrase “last night”
The second is actually an easier mistake to make, because the first error is an error in granmatical processing, not usual for a native speaker of English; but the second is a memory error in composing the sentence – he belatedly remembers or decides to put in “last night,” and that kind of error or lapse can happen easier as someone gets older.
Did you ever analyze Obama’s speech patterns this closely?
Compare his speech with the transcripts – there were a lot of “ah, ah, ah” eliminated. He also used very long sentences with lots of sidetracks that left one wondering exactly what was said and what he meant to say.
Many speakers have their tics, especially if going away from a prepared speech. Obama had his tics and so does Trump. I am tired of hearing some of his phrases. Hopefully, he’ll adjust his speech patterns.
Yes.
Obama has, or had, a tendency to pronounce all “S”s as “S” and not as “Z” That was the reason for corpse-man.
He didn’t just say corpseman, he said dogs the way people say cats. (Dogs should be pronounced dogz)
https://legalinsurrection.com/2015/04/scott-walker-gives-compelling-speech-in-new-hampshire/
Note: I corrected my spelling of evidently, now.
I’ll maybe look tomorrow for the You Tube video that shows him also mispronouncing “dogs”
I also explained where the 57 states came from. Here’s one on this site:
https://legalinsurrection.com/2015/02/islam-has-been-woven-into-the-fabric-of-our-country-since-its-founding/
Six of the extra states are on the 2009 quarters.
I disagree about Obama’s speech. He mispronounced corpsman simply because he was unfamiliar with the word. His exaggerated sibilance is probably a slight speech defect. Maybe his insurance plan doesn’t include dental. It seems to have gotten worse recently. It’s different from Sean Connery’s, but at about the same level. It’s similar to Garrison Keillor’s whistling esses, but not as bad.
What is terrorism? One online dictionary describes it as “the use of violent acts to frighten the people in an area as a way of trying to achieve a goal”.
The act could be very flashy as bombing a building or a train, running a truck into a crowd of people, or firing guns into a crowd. All those acts get lots of attention from the media.
Terrorism is also riots in the streets, burning cars, attacking people. These acts don’t get much press especially if they happen often enough to become normal. That’s how no-go zones are established. Look to Sweden, England, Germany, France for reports of these no-go zones.
Terrorism is also sexual abuse of women and children while they are walking,swimming or just living. That’s how you change behavior to create segregation by sexes or forcing women to cover up and travel in groups to avoid attacks. Again, look for stories from Canada, Sweden, Germany, England.
Terrorism doesn’t have to directly impact you. Seeing internet videos of gays being thrown off buildings, Christians beheaded on a beach, women being buried and stoned or burned alive should affect you.
So, there was a misplaced phrase, but it effective. How many people are now looking at the crime rate in Sweden and other countries. They are looking for every day acts of violence, not just the big flashes.
On another website, I saw a term “Stray Voltage”, which has been around for a few years.
“This is the White House theory of “Stray Voltage.” It is the brainchild of former White House Senior Adviser David Plouffe, whose methods loom large long after his departure. The theory goes like this: Controversy sparks attention, attention provokes conversation, and conversation embeds previously unknown or marginalized ideas in the public consciousness. This happens, Plouffe theorizes, even when–and sometimes especially when–the White House appears defensive, besieged, or off-guard.”
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-pen-phone-and-stray-voltage/
Another story: http://www.breitbart.com/blog/2014/04/17/how-obama-is-trolling-america/
what’s happening (present tense) does not fit with last night (one day, one time, in the past) what’s happening means what is continually happening.
last night can go with look at because Trump is describing something as it is experienced. It also, of course, cannot refer to a single incident.
Trumo misplaced the last night because the proper way to insert last night was to split the phrase, or compound word, look at and that was too much mental processing for Trump.
Are you getting tired?
Don’t forget to capitalize the first word of a sentence. You forgot some punctuation. And, you have a typo. I will assume that you do know how to spell “Trump” since you have done so in the past.
We all make mistakes.
I carefully considered whether to capitalize what’s happening but ultimately decided not to, because it wasn’t the first word in Trump’s sentence, and I was quoting Trump.
I did leave a comma out after the look at in the third paragraph.
Yes, it is very hard for me to spot and get rid of typos even when I spend some time trying, which I don’t too often. You are correct it was a typo. Replacing a “p” with an “o” is not the kind of error you would make as a spelling mistake – its a typo, as :O: is next to “P” on the keyboard. Most of my “spelling mistakes” are typos.
We all make mistakes.
Trump could also have started the sentence with last night but that would have been putting a different emphasis in the sentence.
So, how many angels can dance on the head of a pin? Have we figured it out yet?
More than can, or would, dance on the pointy end, Grasshopper.
The media were primed to think that Trump had said an incredcible thing – because he had said ssome other increedible things, mostly about the election:
1) That he really won the popular vote because millions of illegal votes were cast by non-U.S. citizens. 2) That his Electoral vote margin was the largest since Reagan. 3) That voters had been bussed in from Massachusetts to New Hampshire on Electon Day (Nov 8) and that’s why he lost New Hampshire and Kelly Ayotte lost her Senate race.
And Kelly Anne Conway had spoken of a Bowling Green Massacre instead of a Bowling Green Conspiracy which wasn’t even a conspiracy to commit a massacre in Bowling Green, but a conspiracy to send weapons to ISIS, and not a real conspiracy at that, but an FBI sting operation against someone whose fingerprints had been found on unexploded IUD’s in Iraq (but that wasn’t enough to charge him with too much)
Thanks for the laugh!
FYI – “unexploded IUDs”
Oops. The abbreviation is IEDs. Many IEDs in Iraq were defused. After all, they only got fingerprints from the ones that didn’t explode.
Actually, it looks like it wasn’t the fingerprint that first alerted investigatorsthey they someone had been part of the Iraq insurgency, but the fact he’d been in an Iraqi prison. (The match was evidently made before he arrest)
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/kentucky-refugee-case-highlights-worries-over-syrians-in-us/
Sammy Finkelman
Mr Troll please go away! 🙂
Arguing over this is now far beyond bizarre. Trolls gonna troll.
And, we all make mistakes. 😉
Except Obama. Just ask the MSM (57 states, corpseman, etc.).
This goes for any politician, regardless of party affiliation – depending on how newsworthy they are, every public utterance is recorded, every step video-taped, and being (presumably) human, they will make mistakes, trip on a rug now and again. Who among us wouldn’t also make verbal or physical mistakes were we taped and recorded every minute we stepped into public?
Now, some of these mistakes bear repeating, and I cite Joe Biden’s mouth and Gerry Ford’s feet, because they make so many of them and it does become noteworthy.
That’s not what is happening today. Every perceived little mispeak or misstep is now being showcased as proof that the given politician is Hitler, or Satan, or whatever hyperbolic notion suits the perceiver’s agenda, and it goes both ways. It’s f-ing childish and unproductive.
to borrow from Shakespeare “And then is heard no more: it is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.”
the idiot in the above quote are 99% of the MSM