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Polls Paint Increasingly Dire Picture for Trump

Polls Paint Increasingly Dire Picture for Trump

August has not been a good month as his post-RNC bounce dissipates

Electoral success is looking bleak for Republican nominee Donald Trump and his supporters.

Among the conventional poll-reading wisdom is that trends, not individual polls, provide for a more accurate overview.

Despite his headline popularity and ability to pull around 30% in primary elections, Trump has never polled consistently well against Democratic contender Hillary Clinton.

In fact, the only time Trump was able to muster any substantial polling gain against Hillary was following the Republican National Convention, but the post-convention bump was short-lived.

From Real Clear Politics:

donald trump polling against hillary clinton trends data lose win 2016 post-convention bump

August has been a rough polling month for The Donald. Not once has a national poll shown him with a lead over Hillary.

donald trump hillary clinton polling august 2016 trends bad news

Earlier this month, a Fox News poll showed Hillary up by ten points and Reuters poll had her up by eight. As I blogged then, “this is the problem with having a campaign predicated on the fact that you’re leading in all the polls — when polling data turns unfavorable, your alleged mandate dissipates.”

Today, a new batch of polls showed the same downward trend for Trump.

  • NBC News poll has Hillary up by 9
  • In the deep red Lone Star State, Trump is only up by…6? SIX?!
  • Hillary is also up 9 in the no longer swinging state of Florida
  • Making it no surprise that Trump is down by, wait for it…9 in Virginia too.

“But the polls are rigged!!!” Yeah, yeah. In the 2012 election they were “rigged” in favor of Romney, only for election day to prove otherwise.

Trump’s hope lies in the Brexit mystery — where polling respondents were unwilling to vocalize support of the referendum prior to election day. Even then he’d have to overcome a 28% unfavorability deficit.

As I’ve blogged before:

You can blame voters for not supporting a candidate all you like, but as I’ve said many times — no one is ever entitled to any other’s vote; votes must be earned. The failure to garner voter support is not the fault of the electorate; it’s the fault of the candidate and their campaign to find a message that resonates with voters, grow support, and ensure that support translates into votes at the ballot box.

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Comments

Oh man, remember all those polls in the primaries that said Trump was going to win big? No? That didn’t happen? You mean the media polls were incorrect?

This article means nothing. Hillary sucks in the polls right now too. Her post convention bump lasted a week (not to mention it was a fake bump).

You can’t win an election in August. If you’re a Trump supporter, you’re not worried. If you hate Trump, like the author, then this is very clearly the apocalypse.

It will get better for Trump. These things go up and down.

So Hillary’s peaking too soon. A classic indicator of electoral disaster for the D’rats three months from now.

And the downside to this is …?

Been listening to Levin for the first time in a while. It appears he’s beginning to make his pivot due to increasing leftist anti Semitism & Trumps stand & recent speech re doing citizenship & clearance testing & restrictions on future Muslim immigration.
Imagine that!
Heh .

    Kemberlee Kaye in reply to secondwind. | August 16, 2016 at 8:16 pm

    Except that he said today he has zero interest in pivoting: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/donald-trump-doesn-t-want-to-change

      He just went off the air. Are you telling me what I just heard was wrong?
      You’re becoming increasingly desperate girl.

      K. K.
      I just reread your response. As usual, you saw what you wanted to see in my comment.
      I was talking about Levin pivoting, not Trump.
      You people are something else.

        Kemberlee Kaye in reply to secondwind. | August 16, 2016 at 11:14 pm

        I’m not responsible for vague pronoun references that lead to confusion.

          PhillyGuy in reply to Kemberlee Kaye. | August 17, 2016 at 1:44 am

          It was very clear. It’s called reading comprehension. He started out talking about Mark Levin and continued it in the second sentence. Simple stuff.

        MarkSmith in reply to secondwind. | August 17, 2016 at 12:02 am

        I stopped listening to Levin. Thought he was smart than he really is. Big disappoint that he has his ability to be pragmatic and reasonable.

          2 up votes for Mark.

          Ragspierre in reply to MarkSmith. | August 17, 2016 at 7:15 am

          Yet doublesucks relied on Levin for his resort to authority fallacy.

          You people are consistently inconsistent.

          Oh, and MarkSmith, you are a foul pig. A lot of the most vocal advocates for immigration control are people who’ve work in immigration law for decades, while the Great God Cheeto was donating to 5 of the Gang of Eight and meeting with Dreamers.

          Keep you slimy innuendo off the authors here.

          MarkSmith in reply to MarkSmith. | August 17, 2016 at 9:55 am

          Oh poor baby. I think I hurt Rags feeling. I am sorry.

          Now back to the point, polls don’t mean crap at this stage. Second, Trump is a new comer to this game of politics, so he is going to need to constantly reshuffle his team. Same plan keeps the ankle bitters guessing.

          And yes, I can see why KK might have issues with Trump since she has immigration law in her background. As for conservative principles, those against Trump just can’t see the forest and are very narrow minded. Your bitterness shows. Why not just start your own party and see how well it goes. Shoot in my opinion the RNC has been bought and paid for since Bush lost to Clinton. Lee Atwater was brilliant and I think that was the downfall to the RNC. The RNC needs someone like him.

          To Rags, your fellow “conservatives” have ruined the Tea Party and any chance the RNC can fix itself since Atwater’s time. I had hopes with Rumsfeld and Chaney that good things could come from Bush. Keeping Powell was a bad decision.

          It is time to move the trash out of the RNC and get new blood in. My guys are backing Trump – Sessions, Chaney and Rumsfeld. So be it, a whiny baby and sore loser have been outed. They are the problem of the RNC. Kick them to the curb with the RINO’s and maybe we can get this ship back on course.

          A Trump Presidency has little to fear for he has limited power with congress and K street. Until you can look beyond what power Hillary has, your “conservative” movement will be lost forever. History proves it out. Your brand of conservative model worked with Washington and the Federalist. It took Lincoln to break the cycle of Dem. control. Even then, it was limited success until possible after Grant. Have not had a good run of conservatives since then. Reagan struggled. I know, I lived it.

          heyjoojoo in reply to MarkSmith. | August 19, 2016 at 11:45 pm

          Triple thumbs up!

    Ragspierre in reply to secondwind. | August 16, 2016 at 9:59 pm

    Levin has something you lost a long time ago, if you ever had any: intellectual integrity.

    He’ll point out what he agrees with.

    He’ll also condemn in no uncertain terms…

    http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2016/05/trump-and-road-to-progressivism.html#more

      Q. P.
      That may or may not be true about Levin.
      It’s certainly not true about you. You condemn everything about Trump.
      Which makes you both anti-Semitic & for unlimited Muslim immigration.

        MarkSmith in reply to secondwind. | August 17, 2016 at 12:06 am

        According to KK Bio, she is has worked in immigration law. Maybe that is the beef. The Yuge wall is a problem.

          “According to KK Bio, she is has worked in immigration law. Maybe that is the beef. The Yuge wall is a problem.”

          Actually, for any kind of lawyer like that, the more laws the better. They get paid for their expertise in helping people navigate the laws and their attendant red tape.

          Just as doing away with the IRS would put a lot of tax lawyers out of a job, so would amnesty or open borders put a lot of immigration lawyers out of a job.

          You people don’t really think, do you. Perhaps your tin foil hats are on too tight.

        Ragspierre in reply to secondwind. | August 17, 2016 at 6:46 am

        But, doublesucks, you just lied three times in that one stupid comment.

        There are things that Der Donald says that are swell. He’s not usually their author…many people here have been saying the same things for years…but they are fine as far as they go.

        One of the criticisms of conservatives I’ve heard is that we tend to be too attached to Reaganism, and I agree to an extent. What worked in Reagan’s time isn’t necessarily right to address our problems. “T-rump’s” tax plan is a good example. It has some peachy features, but it really is a “Reaganesque” plan. Why reduce the corporate rate instead of doing away with it altogether (“real change” I’ve advocated for decades)? Why mess with the margins of the code, and leave that corrupt abomination against any notion of a free people intact? But “T-rump’s” tax plan will never see the light of day, and a good thing, too, since it would raise national debt by about 16 trillion, as I recall the ratings.

        The rest of your vomit was another of YOUR “short-circuits”. It doesn’t even make any sense.

          Q. P. (Ragsdale I. M. A. Dumbass Esq is a bit long for a 1 off)
          I’ve used this quote before.
          From the card of a Huerfano county female GOP board member.
          “If you’re explaining, you’re losing.”

Are these like the poll that showed Dukakis up by 17 points over George H.W. Bush at this stage of the 1988 election? http://www.nytimes.com/1988/07/26/us/dukakis-lead-widens-according-to-new-poll.html

If these polls are accurate, then we might be able to use them for predictive purposes. However, virtually all of these polls are run by news organizations or by pollsters working for those agencies or their parent companies. And, it appears that ALL the corporate media outlets are hopelessly anti-Trump and in the tank for Hillary.

What these polls fail to explain is how Trump can continue to fill his rallies with 10000+ people and Hillary, who is leading in these polls by a significant margin, has “crowds” of a couple of hundred and never more than 1000. Is the the Trump campaign giving away door prizes, free drinks, what? How does Trump get so many more people to attend one of his rallies than Hillary does at hers, if Hillary has all of the support the polls say that she has?

I suspect that these are push polling in an attempt to gaslight the electorate. We’ll see in November. Oh, one more thing. Watch the polls just prior to Labor Day.. See if Johnson rises above 15%, from his current level of 8%.. If he does, he probably gets invited to the CPD debate, which would benefit Hillary, and work against Trump.

Then, there is this: Pollster Zogby: ‘Back to a close race,’ Clinton 38%, Trump 36%

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/pow-its-just-a-2-point-race-clinton-38-trump-36/article/2599471

And “everyone” thought Britain would NEVER vote to exit the EU…. but they did…..

People smarter than media pollsters….. whoddathunkit

The “main” Hillary + media campaign strategy is bash Trump…. I’m soooo OVER IT and another reason my daily LI visits have tricked to maybe once a month…. if that (hint: PRO Hillary equals => YOU ARE LOSING YOUR READERS…..)

if you are not FOR Trump, you are FOR Hillary…. and noone is their RIGHT mind is pro Hillary….. nope, noone…. sorry if that means you

    I look at it as “If you’re against Hillary, you should be for Trump.” I do have some serious reservations about Trump (and would have preferred Cruz, but that ship has sailed), but ABSOLETELY NO ONE would be worse than Hillary. Like it’s a 100% chance we’re irrevocably screwed if Hillary wins. If there’s only an 85% chance we’re irrevocable screwed with Trump, then I can live with those odds, given the alternative. Not sure why people are having a hard time with this. Sure, it sucks that these are the best candidates we could come up with, but here in Realville, we’re doomed if the Democrat side of those two crappy choices wins.

      UJ in reply to UJ. | August 17, 2016 at 11:52 am

      Yes, I know it’s “ABSOLUTELY”.

      UJ, people are having a hard time with the sophomoric, black and white, false choice you and others present because it’s sophomoric, reflects lazy critical thinking, and posits a false choice between two of the worst presidential candidates in our nation’s history.

      People who are opposed to Trump are not necessarily in support of Hillary. That’s pure and utter nonsense. Were the Republicans who stayed home or opted not to vote for McCain or Romney “for” Obama? Nope. Did they base their decision not to vote McCain or Romney on how bad Obama would be or proved to be? Not so much; they seem to have been taking a protest stance against each year’s RINO. Or they were so repulsed by each that they couldn’t bring themselves to hold their noses and vote for either and thus “against” Obama.

      Personally, I did vote for both McCain and Romney. Yes, I knew they were both progressives, and yes, I knew they were both going to be squishy on some things that really matter to me. Importantly, I also could see each as president, representing our country with dignity and grace. Were they my first picks? Heck no! They weren’t even in my top twenty (including, of course, people who chose not to run in each of those years). Did I think they were suited to the highest office in the land despite their often incorrect stances on things like immigration and health care and in light of the man against whom they were running? Yes. I did. That’s why I voted for them.

      Trump, on the other hand, is not only a big spending, big government progressive, but he’s also an absolute horror show. He’s vulgar, he’s crass, he’s thin-skinned, he’s petty, he’s mean-spirited, he’s shallow, he’s immature, and he’s a hothead. Any one of these qualities would give me pause, but all of the them together?

      Don’t get me wrong, I do agree with Trump in terms of securing our border, being cautious about Syrian and other ME refugees flooding into our country, and correcting gross problems with our nation’s tax code.

      That’s just not enough because I also believe him when he says the top three jobs of the federal government are national security, health care, and education. I believe him when he says that he thinks the American taxpayer should foot the bill for everyone’s child care. I believe him when he says that he wants to limit the freedom of the press and the free speech of Americans. I believe him when he said that he agreed with Obama’s post-Sandy Hook speech. I believe him when he says that he wants to increase borrowing so that the money can be used as an economic jobs stimulus for our nation’s infrastructure. I could go on, but the bottom line is that Trump isn’t that far removed from the Democrats he’s spent decades supporting against Republicans and more recently against Tea Party candidates.

      Add to that his twelve-year-old mentality, his hair-trigger sensitivity to any hint of non-full-throated approval and worship, his base vulgarity, his lack of character and morals, and his inability to accept responsibility for anything that goes wrong (while eagerly grasping credit for anything that goes right), and I cannot, in good conscience, vote for him. I just can’t. He is repulsive to me on every level and the grating schoolyard bullying and braggadocio in a man of his years is beneath contempt and beyond comprehension. He’s so vile and loathsome that he makes my skin crawl.

      That said, I can also never, in good conscience, vote for Hillary.

      This is a horrible dilemma to face, and I cannot just flipply and breezily toss aside my bone-deep misgivings about Trump simply to vote against Hillary. I just can’t.

      The GOP knew that the #NeverTrumpers would never vote for Trump (thus the “never” part), and they still nominated him. Trump himself stated that we have “no choice” but to vote for him. Wrong. I was willing to vote for two men that I didn’t really want to see as president, and I will not do it again. My vote is not “owed” to anyone, my vote is not to be coerced simply because some life-long Democrat with totalitarian tendencies and socialist leanings has an (R) after his name.

      You probably still don’t understand, but I’ve done my best to explain to you.

        I guess instead of “don’t understand”, I should have said “really don’t care”. I understand it plenty, but I also think it’s the wrong way to look at it. But I really don’t care about convincing anyone of anything. Fortunately, we’re all still entitled to our own opinions, and I’m quite comfortable that mine is right for at least me. Come November, I’m going to do what I believe is right for me and I have little doubt you will do the same for you. You do you, and I’ll do me. All the best.

DieJustAsHappy | August 16, 2016 at 8:45 pm

The Washington Examiner has a poll by pollster John Zogby. It states:
Clinton 38%
Trump 36%
Johnson 8%
Stein 5%
Not sure 13%
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/pow-its-just-a-2-point-race-clinton-38-trump-36/article/2599471

It’s a myth that the Brexit polls were wrong. While pundits thought that Remain would win the polls were actually pretty accurate.

    I think the parallel is the brexit polls a few months prior and the last polls.
    Common pattern seen here, push polls show the left with a big lead, then near the election, magic, the polls are much closer.
    Classic commie propaganda.

When people who support Trump are attacked, both verbally (as we see regularly on this board) and physically (Trump rallies), have their property (signs, etc) stolen and destroyed, many fear retribution from their unhinged neighbors and peers and their government.

Little wonder that people won’t answer or tell someone their true feelings when that caller has their personal phone number, and by extension, access to their entire life.

Trump’s been getting the Pat Buchanan treatment from his supposed allies in his party.

In November, voters will have to choose between somebody who says undiplomatic things (like Obama founded ISIS, he’s not even wrong about this), and a corrupt entity who promises little other than more black riots and more domestic Islamic terrorism.

It’s only August, people. Who cares what the rigged polls are saying. Because of the timing of the olympics, the conventions were held earlier than they have in the past. Oh and remember when Reagan was losing in the polls to Carter? Yeah, It’s not as if election day is tomorrow, we haven’t had our October surprise.

Really? You belive these paid for by globalists polls?

Lil lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol

Yawn….

Work it girl. Title “Polls Paint Increasingly Dire Picture for Trump” dishonest. It is August! I think Snopercod just put in in prospective.

I think Trump is going to get more minority votes this election than the last 5 President GOPs that ran I think James O’Keefe proved that at the DNC convention.

How about you focus on what Trump is doing right? Are you afraid to go there? Yea, he is all over the broad on issues, but if you know anything about DC, it is the second layer of staffers that makes things happen. I don’t see much change there. I don’t see Trump as having the power to change the next level down, the working layer and K Street bandits. Hillary on the other hand has a well oil machine that can spring board from Obama. Your are a fool to think Trump is worst than Hillary and “principle” votes will not vote for Trump. The conservative belief is dead if Hillary gets in. She is equal to Thomas Jefferson’s killing of the Federalist (and Washington) in the process. Are all you “Principled” Conservatives too blind to see it? History could repeat itself if you do not act.

    “Work it girl.”

    You’re seriously a creep.

    And no, I’m not some Kemberlee fangirl. I’ve disagreed most vehemently with some of her stances, the push for more and stricter “human trafficking” laws as a fairly recent example.

    But I still think you’re a creep.

once more, the polls are cooked until a few weeks prior to the election.
They always have been. It is the democrats partners doing the polling.

JackRussellTerrierist | August 17, 2016 at 12:47 am

Trump primary voters=epic fail

In other news a Clinton pac moved out of battleground states to signal confidence:
http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/15/politics/hillary-clinton-super-pac-advertising/

    OnlyRightDissentAllowed in reply to edgeofthesandbox. | August 17, 2016 at 2:57 am

    For some reason they are still running regular ads in the NY Tri-State market. If there is any area bluer than NYC and suburbs, northern NJ and south-western CT, I don’t know what it is. They are all attack ads. Maybe they are just trying to rub Trumps nose in it?

Note only did the polls get Brexit wrong but they also got the last British general election wring too.

The polls don’t match the turn outs at either HRC or The Donald’s rallies so you do have to ask the question just who is actually voting for HRC?

If her support really is so huge why isn’t she pulling in thousands of supporters at her rallies? Surely her supporters would be there in their tens of thousands instead if the tens??

It really doesn’t add up? I suspect the mom who run these polls are doing what the BBC was trying to do in the last British general election, trying fooling people in to believing Labours lead was so huge it wasn’t worth turning up to vote for Tories.

Mailman

    OnlyRightDissentAllowed in reply to mailman. | August 17, 2016 at 2:50 am

    Because why go would you go to a rally that means nothing when you can volunteer in an actual organized campaign with actual offices and actual professionals running an actual ground game?

    How do you think Obama won? He built a database of every voter in every swing state. What is Trump doing? I would feel like I was giving away a secret, but Trump never had any intention of actually working to get elected.

    Why go to a rally when you can actually work to register voters or volunteer to help them to the polls? Muslims citizens are registering to vote in droves. They are not protesting at Trump rallies or agonizing over his bigoted slurs . They plan to vote him down and out.

    Trump will not take a long vacation afterward because his whole brand will be destroyed. Everyone will know that his wealth is imaginary. He claims his brand is his wealth. Once he loses big, his brand will be worthless.

      Obama won because he was popular. People WANTED to see him because of that popularity BECAUSE thats what people do. They go to see someone because that someone is popular.

      So we come back to HRC’s rallies. IF she was as popular as Barry O she would be filling stadiums like Barry did. IF people loved her, as the left claims, they would be clamouring to see her at every opportunity regardless of the type of event or time of year. The very fact that she is struggling to get ANYONE to come to her rallies should be a major concern for Democrats.

      The other inconvenient fact for the left is that The Donald is pulling huge crowds to his rallies in AUGUST…in the same venues that HRC is struggling to fill the back seat of a Fiat 500. Then there is the multiplying effect of everyone of those energised and fired up supporters going back in to their communities and spreading the gospel according to The Donald. Ill take 10-20,000 fired up Donald supporters spreading his word over a 1/4 filled school hall that only holds 100 people to start with any day.

      At the moment the excuses to dismiss HRC’s pathetically attended rallies are exactly that…excuses. You guys should be hugely concerned that at a time when HRC is supposedly beloved by the left no one wants to actually go and see their Saint.

        OnlyRightDissentAllowed in reply to mailman. | August 17, 2016 at 12:13 pm

        Believe what you want. It is true Clinton is not as popular as Obama. Some of Trump’s followers are very enthused. Clinton has the good fortune to running against a guy who alienates many more than he inspires.

        I don’t see much point in arguing over polls. But it is fun to watch the faith based world unequivocally face off against the fact based world and get their a$$es handed to them by an unequivocal November fact. Do you remember ‘Unskewed Polls’? I really enjoyed that site, when FiveThreeEight was right on the money.

        I guess you guys will still refuse reality and claim the election was fixed even though states like AZ and GA are in play. I am just sorry I can’t bet money.

    “The polls don’t match the turn outs at either HRC or The Donald’s rallies so you do have to ask the question just who is actually voting for HRC?”

    People who aren’t into mass rallies?

    Any given “Black Lives Matter” protest these days is guaranteed to attract a bigger, noisier, more energized crowd than the smattering of “Blue Lives Matter” rallies held in various cities around the place. Yet I don’t take this to mean that the majority of the voting public would elect to see police forces across the nation disbanded or severely disempowered.

    I really don’t think “rally-goers” is a good proxy for “actual voters”. But I guess we’ll see.

OnlyRightDissentAllowed | August 17, 2016 at 2:38 am

Forget the polls, the bookies have moved Trump from 2/1 to 3.5/1. Remember guys, they play with real money.

You people are doing an excellent job of showing how conservatives abhor facts in favor of what you wish to believe. It is early and there is some variation in the lead, but when poll after poll after poll, including polls like Zogby’s (who skews republican) show Clinton with a lead; When the trend is towards Clinton. When the state polls show GA and AZ in play and FL out of play; when Trump’s unfavorables are huge and locked in – dream on. Sometimes the polls close in the final days, but the trailer rarely wins. I think Truman was the last.

Don’t count on the undecideds. They tend to break 50/50 or not vote.

RCP is now showing the Senate going 50/50. You guys may be very sorry that Garland wasn’t confirmed – unless republicans plan to filibuster for 4 years. I guess Senate Republicans can say that nobody should be confirmed until after the next election.

Trump’s one hope is that he kills in the debates. I don’t think anyone can predict how that will play out. Maybe Trump will listen to his advisers and Hillary will be timid and play defense. But if you are counting on a gaffe, count on Trump to make it.

Hey, it the polls hold and you guys are dead wrong, will you start to actually consider the facts on Climate Change? Yeah, if Trump wins, I will consider that I am wrong on Climate Change. Deal?

Trumpers during primaries: “Look at the polls! Winning!”

Trumpers now: “Don’t look at the polls! Skewed! Winning!”

Can’t make this stuff up . . .

    tom swift in reply to Estragon. | August 17, 2016 at 6:02 am

    But you are making it up.

    During the primaries, nobody but the press (and perhaps some of the more excitable donors) gave a hoot about the polls. Everybody else was watching the actual votes. Trump was getting them, the rest of the field was not. The major excitement was the votes which didn’t happen … like Colorado, and Cruz’s novel attempt to win the nomination without winning the votes. N.B.— votes, not polls.

    Polls were of little value then, even before the D’rat fraud machine was in full operation. And they’re of less value now.

    Unless you’re denying that there is a D’rat fraud machine, and everything’s on the up-and-up. In which case, perhaps the polls are of some value in showing the state of the country … months before Election Day, when it doesn’t matter in the least, except to the press and its “horserace” reporting.

    Although anyone who actually stayed awake all the way through Statistics 101, and doesn’t get a headache when he hears the word gaussian, would dispute even that.

      Ragspierre in reply to tom swift. | August 17, 2016 at 7:07 am

      Of course, you post a lot of utter bullshit, as usual, tom.

      Polls certainly DO matter. If they didn’t why would campaigns consult them, and generate their own internally? And, please, don’t be so stupid as to try to sell us that T-rump doesn’t care about polls. The Man From WrestleMania is obsessed by polling.

      Polls DO matter because they provide intelligence about where to put resources, how to shape effective messages, and…for Donelle T-wamp (thin-skinned mean girl)…when to STFU.

        From mailman ;
        “HRC can’t fill the backseat of a Fiat 500.”
        Your girl is losing Queer 1..

        Polls DO matter. And polling data is very important to political campaigns. But, no political campaign trusts any public polling. All major campaigns use their own internal polling to devise tactics and strategy. They do not base it upon public polls.

        In this case, we can clearly see the media bias at work against Trump. The media is actively working against him. This, by extension, makes any polling results presented by polling companies in any way connected to the corporate media suspect. The same is true of public polling results from companies having close ties to corporate America, especially the financial world.

        Could these public polls be accurate representations of the likely voting trends in November? Possibly. However, they do not explain the disparity in apparent popularity between Trump and Hillary, as exemplified in the attendance at rallies for the two candidates.

        Remember something important. This is not the usual Presidential contest where both candidates represent the same vested interests and are merely slightly altered images of each other. This election is a ballot box battle between the vested establishment and those who feel that they are completely disenfranchised. by the “establishment” and their political lackeys. This was the sentiment upon which Ted Cruz based his campaign, and the last three years of his political career. This was the sentiment which made a rich socialist independent from a marginal state a real popular threat to the solidly entrenched establishment Democrat candidate. Nothing is what it seems this year. And, it has to be viewed that way.

      “During the primaries, nobody but the press (and perhaps some of the more excitable donors) gave a hoot about the polls.”

      This is abject nonsense. Blatant but easily debunked historical revisionism.

      Just go to Donald Trump’s own Twitter feed, or even to the comments section here during the primaries, to see how “little” Trump and his acolytes cared about the polls back then.

What about the ABC and NBC online polls that give Trump a 60 point lead over Clinton? There’s definitely an enthusiasm gap. The public has to believe the race is close or in Clinton’s favor for the Democrats to steal the election. If Trump is up 10 in the polls on election day, people will call foul if Clinton wins. How will they explain 147% of the eligible voters voting for her?

Oh, you don’t need to rely on polls. There are LOTS of indices showing that the Great God Cheeto is blowing it, and some of his supporters in the media are beginning to see it and excuse it away.

Limbaugh said a few days ago that the GOP was in “free-fall” before Der Donald, which is one of the most stupid and fallacious things I’ve ever heard him say, and certainly something he could not have objectively supported if challenged. But Rush said it to begin his apologia for when Der Donald looses, as so many of us warned his myrmidons he would so many months ago.

Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump has shaken up his campaign once again as recent polls suggest that he is losing to Hillary Clinton in several key battleground states.

Trump announced Wednesday that pollster Kellyanne Conway was promoted to campaign manager and Stephen Bannon, the co-founder of Breitbart News, was named campaign chief executive.

“I have known Steve and Kellyanne both for many years. They are extremely capable, highly qualified people who love to win and know how to win,” Trump said in a statement. “I am committed to doing whatever it takes to win this election, and ultimately become President because our country cannot afford four more years of the failed Obama-Clinton policies which have endangered our financial and physical security.”

Boy am I getting tired of Rags! Anal to the end!

I agree. Polls Paint.
Now, I am unaware of any polls which are purported to be intellectually honest.
And, as they say, there is only one poll that counts.

Of course, that one has it’s own problems:
Votes don’t count.
It is the Counters that do that.

I have moved past the loss of Ted Cruz. I am not a Trump hating, Cruz temper tantrum-throwing boob.

Trump has got this. Notice the polls fluctuate. I have been surprised before by polls. We see evidence of this all the time. I feel a Trump landslide coming. I hear from blacks like never before. Something has already pivoted in the Republican party. New faces are coming to the R Party.

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