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Harvard police study shoots another hole in #BlackLivesMatter narrative

Harvard police study shoots another hole in #BlackLivesMatter narrative

No, white officers don’t shoot blacks at higher rate than white suspects

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/08/18/ferguson-national-guard-michael-brown-jay-nixon/14219621/

Facts don’t matter in the Black Lives Matter movement.

Trayvon Martin’s shooting planted the seeds for the movement. Contrary to popular myth, Trayvon was not unlawfully shot and killed by George Zimmerman. The trial evidence was overwhelming that Trayvon attacked Zimmerman with a punch to the nose and when shot was on top of Zimmerman beating him Mixed Martial Arts style, having smashed his head into concrete. Moreover, the racial narrative was false, a perception caused by a deceptive NBC audio edit and false interpretation of audio in which Zimmerman supposedly uttered a racial slur, and amplified by activists and family lawyers.

Michael Brown’s death directly launched the movement and took it national. Brown, however, wasn’t shot “hands up, don’t shoot” but because he sucker punched a cop sitting in his vehicle and tried to steal the cop’s gun.

[Ferguson PO Darren Wilson injuries caused when Michael Brown sucker punched him while trying to grab gun]

[Ferguson PO Darren Wilson injuries caused when Michael Brown sucker punched him while trying to grab gun]

These seminal events of the Black Lives Matter narrative were lies.

The overall portrait of blacks being subject to a white police genocide (the word used by a Cornell professor recently) also is false. See and listen to Heather MacDonald’s explanation of the statistics.

Add another set of facts, as analyzed in a just released Harvard study [full embed at bottom of post], reported in The NY Times:

A new study confirms that black men and women are treated differently in the hands of law enforcement. They are more likely to be touched, handcuffed, pushed to the ground or pepper-sprayed by a police officer, even after accounting for how, where and when they encounter the police.

But when it comes to the most lethal form of force — police shootings — the study finds no racial bias.

“It is the most surprising result of my career,” said Roland G. Fryer Jr., the author of the study and a professor of economics at Harvard. The study examined more than 1,000 shootings in 10 major police departments, in Texas, Florida and California.

The result contradicts the mental image of police shootings that many Americans hold in the wake of the killings (some captured on video) of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Mo.; Laquan McDonald in Chicago; Tamir Rice in Cleveland; Walter Scott in South Carolina; Samuel DuBose in Cincinnati; Alton Sterling in Baton Rouge, La.; and Philando Castile in Minnesota.

The study did show a racial disparity in non-lethal use of force, such as searches and handcuffing. But those are not the events that drive Black Lives Matters riots and protests. If Michael Brown had been patted down and handcuffed, rather than shot dead, the Black Lives Matter movement would not have launched as it did.

Black Lives Matter is a social movement launched by the left, which uses allegedly racist police killings as the excuse and justification for a pre-existing anti-capitalist narrative. If those justifications don’t actually exist, it will not change the narrative, because facts never mattered.

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Harvard Study on Police Shootings of Blacks and Whites by Legal Insurrection on Scribd

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Senator Bluto Blutarsky | July 11, 2016 at 2:58 pm

I’ll be damned. Harvard is good for something after all.

For the media who’ve jumped on the “black lives matter” horse & ridden it for political & ideological purposes ;
Re the Harvard study, “it won’t matter.”
“We’ve got a serial liar & pathological criminal to get elected.”

The problem is comparing apples to apples. Because white people commit fewer crimes per person – whites are less likely to be apprehended by the police. But – for the numbers of white criminals that are apprehended – the shooting percentage is the same.

So, total whites are less likely to be shot. But, total white criminals are just as likely to be shot.

“The result contradicts the mental image of police shootings that many Americans hold in the wake of the killings”

Gee, I wonder where people got that mental image from?
*cough msm*

The media has a lot to answer for, but no matter what the consequences of their frequently irresponsible reporting, they will never accept any responsibility. In fact, they are unlikely to even notice this study and will continue with their narrative no matter how contrary to the actual evidence.

This is a fac, jac…

You go all thug-stupid on a LEO, bad things are going to ensue.

Like the old Yiddish joke sort of said…

“Doc, when I act stoooooooooOOOOOoooopid, it hurts.”

“So don’t do that!!!”

“The study did show a racial disparity in non-lethal use of force, such as searches and handcuffing.”

My guess is that the study did not — because it could not — take into account the attitude of the arrestees at the time they were arrested. My guess is that Black arrestees copped (no pun intended) an attitude more frequently than white arrestees. Therefore they were treated more forcefully by the arresting officer. The study has no way to factor in this effect, but it could have a significant bearing on the conclusions.

    I keyed in on that line, too, but for a different reason:

    The study did show a racial disparity in non-lethal use of force, such as searches and handcuffing.

    Might this be due to a “racial disparity” in how many repeat arrestees are “known to police”? From “prior interactions”, perhaps?

Blaclivesmatter is a Soros funded agent of chaos. It’s rhetoric is intended only to incite.

Addressing this rhetoric seriously and factually is counterproductive, because the group is not serious.

blm really has nothing to do with black people or injustice.
It’s all about the overthrow of our system and putting the fascists in charge

    DaveGinOly in reply to 4fun. | July 11, 2016 at 11:49 pm

    “Black Lives Matter” is the short version of the organization’s name. The long version is “Black Lives Matter When Black Deaths Can Be Exploited In Pursuit of Progressive Objectives,” but that’s unwieldy, so “Black Lives Matter” it is.

Re Harvard report: Duh.

The dumbest clerk at the worst community college in the most backward nation could have figured this out.

Can we now move the discussion to the fact that our president is organizing and directing a Brownshirt army?

Attn: Harvard Universiry

Don’t bother us with your “facts”. We know The Truth!

We, the undersigned:
The Media
Barack Obama
The Left as a Whole
Black Lives Matter
90% of black people

    Ragspierre in reply to SeanInLI. | July 11, 2016 at 8:20 pm

    Of all demographic groups, black Americans are the most likely to report a crime.

    They’re also the most likely group to be victims of violent crimes.

    So you may wanna back-the-fluck off that “90%” bullshit.

    Jes’ sayin’…

      tigercpa in reply to Ragspierre. | July 13, 2016 at 2:54 pm

      Agree. based discussions in my office, white liberals are the group most likely to fall for the false premise. They also the group that will whine that police need more “training” and “diversity”.

healthguyfsu | July 11, 2016 at 6:08 pm

“shoots another hole in”…trigger alert, retreating to safe space!

“The study did show a racial disparity in non-lethal use of force, such as searches and handcuffing. But those are not the events that drive Black Lives Matters riots and protests.” That comes very close to being a lie by omission in the first sentence and deliberate ignorance in the second.

Taking the second first, the killings are the “poster children” and rallying points for the movement, but the entire way that persons of color are treated by the police is the focus of the movement.

As for the first sentence, it’s not that the report shows a tiny or near-insignificant use of non-lethal force, but to quote the report, “On non-lethal uses of force, blacks and Hispanics are more than fifty percent more likely to experience some form of force in interactions with police. Adding controls that account for important context and civilian behavior reduces, but cannot fully explain, these disparities.” (Emphasis added.) The report opens with that fact and concludes with these remarks about it, “The importance of our results for racial inequality in America is unclear. It is plausible that racial differences in lower level uses of force are simply a distraction and movements such as Black Lives Matter should seek solutions within their own communities rather than changing the behavior sof police and other external forces. Much more troubling, due to their frequency and potential impact on minority belief formation,is the possibility that racial differences in police use of non-lethal force have spillovers on myriad dimensions of racial inequality. If, for instance, blacks use their lived experience with police as evidence that the world is discriminatory, then it is easy to understand why black youth invest less in human capital or black adults are more likely to believe discrimination is an important determinant of economic outcomes. Black Dignity Matters.”

Yep, the last three words of the body of the report are “Black Dignity Matters”. Crowing about the killing part and ignoring the emphasis placed by the report on the non-lethal force issues is cherry-picking the report.

    TX-rifraph in reply to jcarter50. | July 11, 2016 at 8:07 pm

    “Taking the second first, the killings are the “poster children” and rallying points for the movement, but the entire way that persons of color are treated by the police is the focus of the movement.“

    The BLM movement is about the specific false claim of the police killing blacks. “Treated” is a vague word that is flexible in its meaning and hard to challenge and needs to be clarified before it can be analyzed and discussed. I’m sorry but I had trouble following your reasoning after that.

    As for “Black Dignity Matters,” that is interesting for three reasons:

    1)I think all human dignity matters. Why would we limit it by race? I do not see people as abstract members of groups. I see them as individuals with dignity given by God.

    2)Does Black Dignity apply to the group or the individuals? They are not the same except in leftist thinking.

    3)If any “group” disparages the dignity of Blacks, it is the Democrats. There are many examples: abortion, Chicago, making heroes out of criminals and thugs, blatant lies, etc.

    The BLM narrative is the killing of blacks by the police. That is the issue on the table. There was no cherry-picking by the author. Let’s address that issue with truth so we can get to the non-lethal issues later. The lies about the lethal issues are resulting in deaths of innocent people. The lies must stop so the deaths can stop.

    DaveGinOly in reply to jcarter50. | July 11, 2016 at 11:55 pm

    You seem to have missed the point of the article. The study debunks the primary BLM claim that American police have declared open season on the use of deadly force against black suspects. “Use of force” by the police against the black suspects has never been a focus of BLM, and BLM was born in response to police shootings (lethal force) of black suspects, not the mere use of physical force. The article doesn’t purport that the study debunks a BLM narrative that doesn’t exist.

      jcarter50 in reply to DaveGinOly. | July 12, 2016 at 5:31 pm

      The suggestion that BLM is only about killings is absolute and utter nonsense. So BLM only cares about killings? They don’t care at all about the beatings, throwing to ground, handcuffing, Tasing, and other physical violence? _Really?_ The killings are only part of a spectrum of violence.

      As was said by the author of the report, who is black, the non-lethal violence is one of the more important parts of the problem: “For [the report’s author] Mr. Fryer, who has spent much of his career studying ways society can close the racial achievement gap, the failure to punish excessive everyday force is an important contributor to young black disillusionment. ‘Who the hell wants to have a police officer put their hand on them or yell and scream at them? It’s an awful experience,’ he said. ‘Every black man I know has had this experience. Every one of them. It is hard to believe that the world is your oyster if the police can rough you up without punishment. And when I talked to minority youth, almost every single one of them mentions lower-level uses of force as the reason why they believe the world is corrupt.’” http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/12/upshot/surprising-new-evidence-shows-bias-in-police-use-of-force-but-not-in-shootings.html?_r=1

The bottom line is that if black men want the police to relate to them the same way they do to anyone else they need to change the one thing that causes police to react differently: the fact that so many black men commit violent crimes.

Innocent black men are in the same situation as an innocent person who bears a strong resemblance to a wanted criminal. Everyone understands that such a person will be stopped many times on suspicion of being the criminal, and every time the police interact with him they will be on their guard. If he makes a move that could be threatening they will be quicker to interpret it as hostile and react accordingly than they would with someone else. It’s not his fault, but it’s not the police’s fault either; it’s reality and he has to deal with it.

That’s really the situation with any black man; a policeman who doesn’t know him has to bear in mind the significant chance that he’s a criminal, something that isn’t nearly so high a chance with a non-black person. Reduce the black crime rate and you reduce this reality, thus making police more willing to take a chance when interacting with unknown black men.

The facts won’t affect BLM since the movement was never based on facts in the first place.

Actual oppression/discrimination/”hate crimes” against the myriad leftist sub-groups are rare these days, so they morphed to “feelings” of being “marginalized,” etc., to claim oppression. It’s not a crisis, it’s not even a problem. It’s just a Narrative.

And the Left sticks to its latest Narratives as long as they work – or until they come up with new ones that work better.

Facts are racist. A preference for oppressive facts over the liberation of fact-free narrative is just a prejudice of the white cisgendered male heteronormative christofascist patriarchy. This prejudice just maintains the white male supremacist power structure and white privilege.

To overthrow the system and smash capitalism we must overthrow facts. #AllNarrativesMatter!

Also, facts are misogynist. And transphobic, homophobic, and Islamophobic.

Just curious. Does anyone have any stats on crime against cops? Any group more likely to shoot a cop? Resist arrest? Make threats?

The claim that Blacks are more likely to be killed by police than Whites has always be a fallacious claim. This study illustrates that. When faced with these statistics, the people who need to ascribe to the fallacious claim now want to argue the a higher percentage of Blacks are killed b y LE than the percentage of Whites in similar circumstances. This accurate. But, when compared to the percentage of each race which is convicted of criminal activity, it begins to look as though participation in criminal activity is the major factor in whether a person suffers injury at the hands of LE. I suspect that if we add in the statistics for resisting arrest, especially with violence, to the equation, this would further erode the false claim that injury and death, at the hand of LE is most heavily influenced by race. It is much more likely that it is based. mainly, upon engagement in criminal activities and resistance to lawful authority.

Besides the current social justice movement has nothing to do with justice. It is all about the Benjamins. Look for the money and follow it and much becomes clear.

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