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Cruz routs Trump in Wyoming

Cruz routs Trump in Wyoming

Picking up delegates wherever he can.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aY1N31GBPPA

Ted Cruz racked up another big delegate win, this time in Wyoming.

CNN reports:

Cruz won 14 of 14 Republican National Convention delegates up for grabs at the Wyoming state convention here Saturday.

The crowd here was clearly in Cruz’s corner, as the Texas senator was the only candidate to make the trip to Casper — ahead of a major snowstorm — and Sarah Palin, scheduled to speak for Trump, previously canceled.

“If you don’t want to see Donald Trump as the nominee, if you don’t want to hand the general (election) to Hillary Clinton, which is what a Trump nomination does, then I ask you to please support the men and women on this slate,” Cruz said, holding up a piece of paper of 14 recommended delegates.

Twelve members of that slate won. They are bound to the senator on the first ballot and have also made a non-binding pledge to stick with him as long as things go in Cleveland.

This adds to Cruz’s prior delegate pick ups in Wyoming.

Cruz won the March 12 caucuses. The Texas senator got 66 percent of the vote, followed by former candidate Marco Rubio at 20 percent and Donald Trump with 7 percent.

The final Wyoming delegate total is Cruz, 23; Trump, 1; Rubio, 1; and one uncommitted. The three Republican National Committee members go to the convention as unpledged to any candidate.

Trump could have tried to compete, but didn’t. As in Colorado, Cruz actually showed up:

Expect Team Trump and Trumpmedia to cry “Theft!” and “Cheating!” and “Voterless!” in 3, 2, …

https://twitter.com/DefendingtheUSA/status/721466851817971712

So far, I’ve yet to hear Trump offer to return some of the delegates he won beyond his vote percentage in winner-take-all states. When the rules are unfair in favor of Trump, it’s okay; when the rules are unfair to Trump’s detriment, it’s “rigged.”

While Trump certainly will pick up a significant number of delegates in the NY primary this Tuesday, wins by Cruz in places like Colorado and Wyoming make it imperative that Trump come close to sweeping NY:

While Trump has won 21 state nominating contests to Cruz’s 10, the billionaire leads the Texas senator by only 196 delegates (755-559). That means he must win nearly 60 percent of those remaining before the party’s political convention in July.

Cruz also is fighting the ground war to get commitments on the second ballot from delegates won by Marco Rubio and other candidates who have suspended their campaigns:

It was a different story in Virginia’s 10th Congressional district. Both the Cruz and Trump camps ran slates of national-delegate candidates who pledged their support on the second vote in Cleveland. While the district had voted for Sen. Marco Rubio, the Florida Republican’s subsequent collapse left the convention open to conservative activists and reluctant anti-Trump voters, disappointed in the remaining choices.

William E. Wilkin, a history teacher at the high school that was hosting the convention, voiced the frustration of many Republicans who have watched their candidates fall one by one during a nasty primary season.

His allegiance has shifted from Carly Fiorina to Rubio to, now, Cruz, Wilkin said during his campaign speech to be a national delegate…..

Wilkin missed out on a delegate slot, while Cruz endorser and state Sen. Richard H. Black (R-Loudoun) won. Black, who has a formidable political operation in Loudoun County, also worked to ensure that the conference was stacked with Cruz supporters. An ultraconservative who is often at odds with the state Republican Party establishment, Black marveled at the level of enthusiasm for Trump or Cruz in a congressional district that Rubio won handily during the state’s primary election in March.

Cruz also is gaining delegate commitments elsewhere for the second ballot:

In South Carolina’s 1st Congressional District, carried narrowly by Trump in February’s primary, Cruz supporters won three delegate slots. In Georgia, early results from the state’s 14 congressional districts showed that Cruz had succeeded in picking up delegates in corners of the state that Trump won in the primary. Across the state, Republicans began meeting at 10 a.m., and some gatherings stretched until midafternoon as Trump and Cruz supporters clashed over the credentials of people seeking delegate seats.

Georgia’s 11th Congressional District perhaps best embodied Trump’s struggles on Saturday. He won the district with 35 percent of the vote, so he will get two of the district’s votes in the first round of balloting at the convention, and Rubio will get the other. But two Cruz supporters — his Georgia chairman, Scott Johnson, and former congressman Robert Barr — won two of the three delegate slots.

In the first round of balloting in Cleveland, Georgia Republicans will cast 42 votes for Trump, 18 for Cruz and 16 for Rubio, who has exited the race. If there are subsequent rounds, Cruz supporters required to vote for Trump could switch to the U.S. senator from Texas.

This all makes a difference because the battle now is to keep Trump from 1237. If that happens, and Trump can’t win on the first ballot, it’s lights out for him.

And that’s perfectly fair and good.

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So the smartest, most honest, best-prepared, most conservative, best on policy, hardest-working, most traditionally-American candidate (and politician in American tbh) won another contest taking place among Republicans only.

See, because getting up in the morning, reading the owner’s manual, and turning the wrench all day, that’s theft. Whining and lying about it after you get skunked again: that’s what winners do.

When Trump wins around 70 delegates from New York, listen closely for the distinct lack of diaper baby temper tantrums you will hear from Cruz and his supporters.

    Most Honest
    Lyin Ted? I think Ben Carson would disagree. His wife and mistresses would disagree. So would 98 USA senators and millions of others.

    Best on Policy
    Hardly. His VAT tax favors machines over jobs and leaves door wide open for huge rate increases along with democrats putting income tax in place on top of Cruz’s job killing VAT/modified gross sales tax.

    Cruz also supports Obamatrade and more middle class job killing trade deals like the ones that have destroyed our middle and lower class jobs over last 35 years.

    Cruz has never had intention to build a wall. He doesn’t even lie and pretend he will build wall on campaign trail anymore. As a result he will never secure the border. Cruz has always said he will never try to round upvand deport illegals.

    Cruz’s policies are horrible on the most important issues, such as Jobs, taxes, trade, the economy, immigration and border security.

    Finally I think you meant the most traditional CANADIAN candidate.

      spartan in reply to Gary Britt. | April 17, 2016 at 5:23 pm

      Hey Phony Gary,

      I have some questions for you.
      Presumably, from the website you link, you are from Texas. Did you vote for Cruz or Dewhurst? Did you ever vote for/support Rick Perry? Yet, both of those guys support Cruz.

      I am trying to figure out how someone from TX somehow avoids to give us any personal/Texas anecdotes about Cruz. Oh sure, you gave us a wonderful takedown of Heidi Cruz; which you infer far too insidious meaning than what probably is truth. You are too quick on the trigger to use the same smears as Team Trump (“Lying Ted”, mistresses, etc) without any corroboration from presumably a Texan who constantly brags that he has voted for Republicans longer than anyone on this board. To wit, exactly how does someone manage to do this?
      Do you understand how people here might believe you might have a Hillary tat on you ass?

      Now, presumably you are also a CPA, could you explain, outside of the Trump Talking Points, how Cruz’ tax plan is flawed? I have read tax experts say his tax plan is inspiring as it has never been enacted anywhere in the world. They have no idea what would happen. If certain variables come to pass, it could really work out great. If other variables come to pass, it could fail.

      In the meantime, do better Phony Gary ……

        Stop trying to change the subject. Are you ready to sign an escrow contract and put up your $2000 or are you just a tough talking while on the internet anonymous chickenshit.

        We both know you are just a know nothing blowhard chickenshit. Just tell us.

          spartan in reply to Gary Britt. | April 18, 2016 at 12:27 am

          I said:

          I have little doubt that this phony lawyer has a “I’m with Hillary” tattooed on his ass.

          Honestly, whoever you are, spare us all your sanctimonious nonsense.

          Response:

          Based on your posts and your pronouncements, I think all reasonable people would think you are a troll. You are not just a troll for Trump, you are a troll for all the consequences of Trump’s attempt to delegitimize the process and the eventual GOP nominee. To that end, the only beneficiary for these actions is Hillary. This is the chaos that the good professor has been touting for quite a while.

          Thus, I rendered an opinion that it would not surprise me that you have a Hillary tat on your ass. Now, any good lawyer worth his salt would know what I was accomplishing. However, you decided to focus on that statement as actual knowledge. I do not care what you have on your person. I just believe you are with Hillary either intentionally or unintentionally. And you want me to put up $1000 to prove what again, as we know that a vote for Trump is a vote for a Hillary presidency; Trump is the only candidate she beats consistently. And while your dumbass cheers for the non-prosecution of Lewandowski (much like the folks who cheered for OJ after he was found not guilty), women will continue to vote against Trump in record numbers.

          I should note that when you attacked Fuzzy Slippers moral character as a “whore”, you called it a metaphor OR a literary device. You doubled down on the bad faith argument by saying you did nothing wrong. The funny part is any good lawyer would know what you said is neither a metaphor, it is not a literary device, it is calumny.

          Lawyers are intellectually curious. You are not. Your writing style belies any structure or legal discipline. Instead of showing us the mature style of an attorney who should be in his late-6o’s and practicing for 40 years, your amateurish bad-faith arguments, combined with your poor writing skills show you to be much younger.

          I will tell you my counteroffer; the next time you travel to Atlanta (I see you are licensed to practice in GA), let me know. I will be glad to meet you anywhere and buy you dinner and drinks. Then, I can tell everyone that you truly exist. While you might convince me that you are real, I doubt you will convince me you are a smart lawyer.

          If this counter does not work for you then either you are a chickens**t or someone hiding behind a website.

          You can now answer the questions I raise. They are quite relevant. Be honest with your answers.

          So Sparton that is a long way around to just say. Yes you are a chickenshit blowhard unwilling to put your money where your mouth is.

          We both knew it all along. Now you have admitted it.

    Psst, a corrupt rigged process is not made less corrupt when the corruption takes place in public and with advance notice.

    The head of Corado GOP said Trump will never ne nominee right after he had rules changed to disenfranchise voters. Then after the GOPe gave voterless victory to Cruz the official colorado twitter account tweeted “We did it #neverTrump”

    The corrupt rigged process was all done in public. That doesn’t make it not corrupt.

      Ragspierre in reply to Gary Britt. | April 17, 2016 at 1:14 pm

      Psst…

      Lying liar who lies…

      A perfectly NOT corrupt practice in place for decades isn’t corrupt because you lie about it at the command of your stinking, lying Collective thug man-crush.

      Who LOST…!!!

      Gunstar1 in reply to Gary Britt. | April 17, 2016 at 3:14 pm

      What was the old rule and what is the new rule that Colorado “changed”?

      Just curious if you actually know or are just spouting talking points.

        Are you saying you don’t know about it and you are asking for help with google searches or are you calling me a liar?

        spartan in reply to Gunstar1. | April 17, 2016 at 5:29 pm

        Phony Gary can not answer that because it would destroy his premise about corruption in CO.

        The answer is 2003; when the State of CO said they would no longer pay for the primaries. The current process has been going on since the election of 2004.
        I should note that Trump deferred from going to CO to actively campaign for delegates. Trump has a history of deferring. He deferred from serving in Vietnam 5 times. I have been to CO several times; it does not look like Vietnam.

I’m getting the real feeling that Ted Cruz is the Rodney Dangerfield of politicians.

Huh, Google says its a Woody Allen Quote: Showing up is 80 percent of life.

Another GOPe voterless victory handed to Cruz by the GOP establishment.

Cruz is owned by the establishment and globalist mega donors. I will NEVER vote for Cruz or any other establishment shill.

    Valerie in reply to Gary Britt. | April 16, 2016 at 8:19 pm

    What utter nonsense. The real, flesh-and-blood people you so derisively call the GOPe are the people who have worked for the past six years, and even before then, to bring us good candidates and good policies.

    They do not like Cruz, because he grandstanded and fought with them in his own best interests, instead of working with them.

    Acting like a petulant ingrate who does not know the rules does not help matters.

      My eyes teared up so bad from laughter I had to stop reading after the line “good candidates and good policies”

      “The real, flesh-and-blood people you so derisively call the GOPe are the people who have worked for the past six years, and even before then, to bring us good candidates and good policies…”

      That statement is surreal. It’s akin to a delusional lie Hillary Clinton would say about herself at her most deluded of moments.

      The GOPe have worked for the past 6 years to give us Boehner, McConnell, Mittens Romney, Stockholm Syndrome McCain, and a rogue leftist president.

      But for the GOPe, a psycho calling himself ‘Barack Hussein Obama” would have been impeached and/or defeated long ago.

    spartan in reply to Gary Britt. | April 16, 2016 at 10:24 pm

    I have little doubt that this phony lawyer has a “I’m with Hillary” tattooed on his ass.

    Honestly, whoever you are, spare us all your sanctimonious nonsense.

      Typical Cruz supporter. Mindless fact free name calling and nothing else. Next you’ll be posting about how Trump supporters are uncivil.

        spartan in reply to Gary Britt. | April 17, 2016 at 8:35 am

        I have read enough of your posts to make that assertion. I have also noticed you did not deny the assertion each time I bring it up; and yet, you continue your mindless inanity.

        Well done phony

          Ok. I am a lawyer and also a CPA my website is linked on my name. Click it a go to my website. I have no tatoos.

          Now if you really want to put your money where your childish brainless mouth is. Let’s each put $1000 up for each of your two claims. Winner take all.

          What’s that? You say you are big fat know nothing talking hen. You dont want to put your money where your mouth is? Thought so. Now STFU as*hole.

          If you have previously run your bullcrap mouth off by making similar accusations, which I don’t remember, and I didn’t reply. The lack of a reply was likely the fact that you and your baseless factless stupid commentary just aren’t important enough to merit my time in a reply.

          But now you have your reply. So now put your money where your big fat lying mouth is or just admit you have no flocking idea about which you write and are too big of a chickenshit to back up your bullcrap with your wallet.

          LOSER

    You prefer Trump to Cruz? OK. But be real, Cruz is not, and never has been part of the GOPe.

      As a sitting senator Cruz is part of GOPe. I’ll give you a very unliked part of it. But what is making Cruz part of the GOPe now is how he is selling himself to them and the globalist mega donors for money and delegates. The delegates Cruz is winning in Colorado, Wyoming, and Georgia are not the result of Cruz organization but the result of the GOPe handing him those delegates.

        I don’t think that being elected official makes one part of the establishment. Ron Paul, Gary Johnson, Allen West, Justin Amash were all elected officials and were / are not part of the GOPe.

        Politics, by definition, is the art of negotiation. Refusing to negotiate makes one a gadfly. What we need to do is to elect so many gadflys that the GOPe, and Dems need to negotiate with us.

          On March 11, 2016 aka 311, Ted Cruz joined the #StopTrump GOPe and Jeb, Lindsey Graham, etc etc etc endorsed him as a #StopTrump foil, never intending him to ever be nominated.

          These *voter-less* primaries Ted has been gifted were put in place to stop outsiders… like Ted. They never really thought Trump had a chance and Jeb was the intended beneficiary of the *voter-less* gambit.

          Ted is not capable of winning the general election and anyone who believes he can is deluded.

          Voting Female:
          So, they don’t like him and don’t consider him part of the club, but them endorsing Cruz (which he has no control over), puts Cruz in the GOPe? So he isn’t GOPe by your own admission, you just want to claim he is because he is #nevertrump simply based on the fact that he is a candidate who in fact is not Trump and some members of the GOPe would rather have Cruz than Trump.

          It is a caucus not a *voter-less* primary. They are two separate things, both requiring votes. You Trump supporters really need to read fewer talking points and actually figure out how things actually operate.

          For instance, a caucus was once the most common system in states, now primaries are the most common.

          Gunstar1?

          No offense, but…

          This is about the public’s perceptions and Trump having a huge megaphone with which to communicate with them.

          What you (or I) individually think is but a grain of sand on a beach.

          Frankly, it does not matter what you or I think or what you or I say. Again… No offense.

        Matt_SE in reply to Gary Britt. | April 18, 2016 at 12:11 am

        Yes, but tell us your theories about the Illuminati, Jew, Bilderberger Lizard people UFOs. Also, fluoridation.

          When a cruzbot has absolutely nothing worthwhile to say, it enters an endless loop of spewing nonsense. You need to turn off for a while and wait for your 8088 CPU to cool down. 4mhz is just too fast for your processing.

          Gary, The emoting of angry fact-challenged childlike rowdys is a sad sight to behold. It is attempted bullying and it falls flat on it’s face.

          This place will be an absolute train wreck in the quite-likely event Trump wins nomination and moves on to the General with the full backing of the party.

          Not losing gracefully… Wasn’t that a criticism levied at Trump?

Zelsdorf Ragshaft III | April 16, 2016 at 8:13 pm

I hope those 14 delegates vote for Cruz in the general as those are the only votes he is going to get. Once again the voters of the State are no asked about who they want to be the GOP nominee.

This outrage is all so hilarious because until 1972, Republicans didn’t hold a popular vote for presidential primaries in any state. I hate to inform certain people, but the idea of holding a popular vote in the primary was invented by the Progressive Party.

    tom swift in reply to snopercod. | April 17, 2016 at 5:10 am

    The modern system was jury-rigged in an attempt to avoid a repeat of the Chicago riots in 1968—a somewhat desperate lashup which has, surprisingly, actually worked so far.

    So far as I’m concerned, the major “success” of the venerable “smoke-filled room” system was when it prevented Chester Arthur from running for President. Arthur, a machine politician of the worst sort, became President after Garfield’s assassination. Widely expected (and in some circles, eagerly anticipated) to be a thorough corruptocrat, he inexplicably reversed course and turned out to be a relatively honest President. This was a huge disappointment to the Party; the Republicans never ran Arthur for President, nominating instead James Blaine, who as we all know lost to Grover Cleveland in 1884.

    A bit of historical trivia—General Garfield was ambidextrous, and could write in Latin with one hand and simultaneously in Greek with the other. None of which, unfortunately, made him bulletproof.

“What is best in life? To crush your enemies. See them driven before you. To hear the whining and blowing of snot bubbles by Donelle T=rump.”

That is what is best in life…!!!

Heh…!!!

The people of Wyoming have spoken, and they endorse Cruz!!!

or.. well, maybe not..

Cruz was the only candidate to speak to the Wyoming Convention. Sarah Palin, a top surrogate for the Trump campaign chose not to attend late last week. Cruz promised the people of Wyoming that he would end the war on coal. Wyoming is the home of the largest open-pit coal mine in North America.

Cruz also promised to return the federally owned lands of the West to the people who live in those states and vowed to appoint a Secretary of the Interior from a Western State.
– See more at: https://www.conservativereview.com/commentary/2016/04/cruz-wrangles-delegates-at-wyoming-convention#sthash.VgCa0G3G.dpuf

Damn that Cruz…!!! He learned the art of the election.

It didn’t help out West that T-rump told them to drop dead, and that he’d keep any “drill, baby, drill” from happening.

Look up his “Field & Stream” interview.

Heh…!!!

    Uncle Samuel in reply to Ragspierre. | April 17, 2016 at 2:19 pm

    In most other states, Cruz people have tried to subvert elections or contradict elections by securing delegates contrary to elections.

    Overall, Cruz, Roe and their people have played this campaign in a way that would make Obama, Axelrod and Alinsky proud.

    Henceforth, we may discard any niggling illusions that Ted Cruz is a Christian.

    The dirty tricks he has played in Iowa and other state conventions is a complete revelation of his character and soul.

    Trump is right, Ted is a nasty guy.

    I’m very proud of Donald Trump for running a clean and honest campaign.

      Gremlin1974 in reply to Uncle Samuel. | April 17, 2016 at 2:56 pm

      When did playing by the well established and well known rules is bad for some reason.

      You know I don’t see the whiner hypocrite Trump asking to give back the delegates he took above his % of the vote in the winner take all states. So I say lets do this thing the way you guys want to, you get the same % of delegates that you got in the vote. Of course none of the Trumpets actually what that, because that would mean that Trump was a lot farther away from 1237 and Cruz would be effectively tied with Trump. But I say yes lets do that.

      Gunstar1 in reply to Uncle Samuel. | April 17, 2016 at 3:30 pm

      You mean he played it in a way any other person trying to be elected should play it. By trying to get delegates to vote for him.

      That is the bottom line. This is the process ALL politicians for president have to contend with.

      You understand that right? It is amazing the number of people who don’t understand how a nominee is selected, but whine about how unfair it is or how slimy/immoral a person is who simply follows the rules and the process every republican running for president (except one) has followed.

It’s time the Cruz haters and the Trump haters come together and figure out how we are going to prevent the “theft” that is going to occur in Cleveland. I assume everyone here is all excited about John Kaisch, or Paul Ryan?

    Uncle Samuel in reply to Walter. | April 17, 2016 at 2:20 pm

    Can’t mix dishonest Globalist Cruz with honest America First Trump.

    Uncle Samuel in reply to Walter. | April 17, 2016 at 2:32 pm

    Just one last comment – I wouldn’t vote for Cruz at gunpoint – which is exactly what I felt about Obama in 2008 and 2012…and about Romney for whom I voted only because (silly me) I believed Ryan was serious about a budget and paying of America’s debt.

    Cruz is Bush 3, and a Fabian globalist, just like Romney and evidently Ryan as well.

    Here’s why:
    http://dianawest.net/Home/tabid/36/EntryId/3283/The-Post-Constitutional-Election-Pt-10-What-Does-Bush-Inc-Bring-Besides-Money.aspx

    Here’s the money quote from Bush who broke silence in 2011 and
    GWB told us who he and his father really are.

    “(I)f you study history, there are some ‘isms’ that occasionally pop up … One is isolationism and its evil twin protectionism and its evil triplet nativism.”
    http://www.lifezette.com/polizette/george-w-to-the-rescue/

    GWB is not a patriot, not a conservative – he is a globalist. Bet he’s all down with the open borders unlimited infestation of Islam into the USA.

    Will never forgive or forget the despicable lie from GWB in 2001 – “Islam is a religion of peace.”

    Like the Bushes, and Obama, Ryan doesn’t believe in borders or national sovereignty: http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2015/10/paul-ryan-doesn-believe-in-borders-or.html

    “Today, after four decades of rampant visa dispensations, reports document sustained compression to our nation’s middle class; real average hourly wages are lower today than they were in 1973; all net job creation among working-age people went to foreign workers from 2000-2014; the number of struggling Americans forced to rely on welfare has reached a record high; overcrowded schools, which are now majority-minority, have struggled to accommodate the growing number of students that qualify for reduced lunch programs and require English language instruction; an influx of a diverse student body with fewer English speakers has sent U.S. test scores plummeting; and the importation of criminal organizations has negatively impacted the safety of what are now gang-besieged communities.”

      Gremlin1974 in reply to Uncle Samuel. | April 17, 2016 at 2:58 pm

      So if Cruz does get the nomination you will effectively vote for Hillary, which is all not voting or voting 3rd party is doing. Nice to know who the traitors are in the beginning. But since you support Hillary’s good friend Donald I am not surprised.

        All the cruzbots in tbe #neverTrump camp have all promised to support Hillary. That includes Ragspierre. They started it. Eventually they convinced Trump people to fight fire with fire.

          gmac124 in reply to Gary Britt. | April 17, 2016 at 5:16 pm

          “They started it.”

          I see where Trump received the advice on how to explain the Tweet about Heidi Cruz. I have to admit that my favorite response to Trump was by Anderson Cooper: “You realize that is the argument of a 5 year old.”

          Ragspierre in reply to Gary Britt. | April 17, 2016 at 5:19 pm

          Of course, since you’re posting you’re lying.

          I’ve said I will never vote for a Collectivist, you lying SOS>

        conservative tarheel in reply to Gremlin1974. | April 17, 2016 at 7:59 pm

        Well Trump IS on record for saying what a good
        president Hillary would be.

Time to have some levity? Yea. It is…

Kids Do Impressions of Trump

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtG3h44Ls1o

Oh man! It’s Saturday night and Cruz has won a primary so we can sit back and have a big glass of Trump whine courtesy of his worshipers!

Georgia has an open primary. Today was delegate selection day, and it went really well for Cruz since the Democrats and independents who voted for Trump in the primary failed to show their commitment to him by showing up for the Republican caucuses that selected the delegates. Amazingly enough, actual Republicans showed up, and for the most part, Cruz supporters were selected as delegates. Georgia Trump supporters are claiming they wuz robbed. Of course.

I just want to know why these Trumpeters think the general voters should get to dictate to the GOP whom it should nominate. Do they also let the voters tell them whom to hire or to marry? Do they think it would be appropriate to do so? Other than the D and R parties, what other organization lets non-members vote in its internal elections? I don’t understand why they have primaries, or even open caucuses, in the first place. I’ve never even heard of a stamp club that does that. If you want to be chairman of the local birdwatching club, you have to get the actual members to support you; it doesn’t matter how popular you are in the general public. So why should the D and R parties be different? Caucuses should be restricted to people who are actual card-carrying dues-paying party members.

    Barry in reply to Milhouse. | April 17, 2016 at 12:46 am

    The stamp club doesn’t need the votes in a general election, the R party does. If the R party, already stripping the veneer of “voters count” right off the front cover, follow your prescription, they’ll die a very quick death.

      Milhouse in reply to Barry. | April 17, 2016 at 7:59 am

      Every business needs customers, but no business gives customers a say in how it does its business. Every party wants people to vote for its nominee when the election comes around; how does that imply that it should let the general public choose its nominee in the first place? Should it also let the voters decide its platform?! It makes no sense. Voters count — at the election.

        Barry in reply to Milhouse. | April 17, 2016 at 6:34 pm

        Are you implying the political parties are business? That would be correct. They try to figure out how to squeeze as much money as possible from the public, in corrupt fashion.

        It might not be what we all hoped was true. Current events are showing us precisely what it is and has been for a long time.

        We, the voters, are not happy and will destroy your party if that is how it shall be run. We, the voters plan to have a say in who is elected.

        The party has every right to create its own closed system. We, the voters, have every right to reject it. And we are. Most voters did not know just how corrupt the party process was. Now they know.

    spartan in reply to Milhouse. | April 17, 2016 at 8:38 am

    Why?

    Because the believe in mob rule. Trump is a modern day Robespierre. The mindless cheer him on in order to save their heads.

      What’s that? You say you are big fat know nothing talking hen. You dont want to put your money where your mouth is? Thought so. Now STFU as*hole.

        spartan in reply to Gary Britt. | April 18, 2016 at 12:45 am

        I await your response Phony ……

          So that is a yes you are too chickenshit to put your money where your blowhard mouth is. Glad you finally admit it.

          Gremlin1974 in reply to spartan. | April 18, 2016 at 7:19 pm

          Or maybe he has actually read the forum rules and realizes that bet making is not acceptable?

          Now, do try to grow up, no one here trusts you enough to sign any kind of agreement with you , especially one that would take more to eventually prosecute you for, which I am sure would be the case, than you would get in return.

    Mac45 in reply to Milhouse. | April 17, 2016 at 11:20 am

    You miss the point. The GOP ALLOWS these stupid primaries where non-party member get to cast a vote. That is simply stupid. As you point out, what other organization does that? But, the Republican Party leadership is responsible for this stupidity not the rank and file membership. Being granted a vote on a nominee, the rank and file naturally expect their votes to direct how the party leadership handles things like nominations, just as they expect their votes to dictate how their elected representatives vote on certain legislative issues. When people feel that they are not only being disenfranchised, but that their leadership ignores them, or worse, actively works against their interests, then they leave.

    The GOP created this situation when they drafted these Byzantine procedures to maintain control of the party and then inferring that the rank and file membership actually has input into the nomination process.

      Milhouse in reply to Mac45. | April 17, 2016 at 12:59 pm

      But, the Republican Party leadership is responsible for this stupidity not the rank and file membership.

      So tell me again, what exactly is the Trumpsters’ objection to states where the GOP does not allow these stupid primaries?

      Being granted a vote on a nominee, the rank and file naturally expect their votes to direct how the party leadership handles things like nominations,

      And they do. In those states that hold binding primaries, their votes direct how the delegates must vote on the first ballot. Why do they expect more than that?

      just as they expect their votes to dictate how their elected representatives vote on certain legislative issues.

      Excuse me? As far as I know there is and has never been a state in which that was the case.

Can’t wait to see the Trump routs Cruz headlines on LI on Tuesday and again on 4/26 from the professor. Also the 4/26 LI headline that says Cruz matematically eliminated. Will Cruz follow his advice to Kasich and drop out?

    Vince in reply to Gary Britt. | April 17, 2016 at 2:43 am

    That won’t happen. The professor has declared open war on Trump and the headlines won’t be pretty when Cruz is destroyed.

    Vince in reply to Gary Britt. | April 17, 2016 at 2:46 am

    Cruz is a very strong regional candidate… everybody knows that, but a lot of people wish he were a national contender and yet they know he isn’t…. so why do they fight so hard to make him to be one?

    It’s a mystery to me.

    Ragspierre in reply to Gary Britt. | April 17, 2016 at 8:08 am

    It’s looking more and more like T-rump is the one who is “mathematically eliminated” from a first-round immaculation.

    And he damn well knows it, too…!!!

    http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/trump-threatens-rough-july-if-rnc-doesn-t-straighten-out-n557096

    What a pussy (as he would have it)…

    Gremlin1974 in reply to Gary Britt. | April 17, 2016 at 3:05 pm

    In order for that to happen Trump will have to do worlds better than he has done so far.

    It is possible but unlikely that Trump could take out Cruz but he would need 60% in all of Tuesdays contests to do so and that just ain’t gonna happen, not even in New York, especially if you look a the way New York awards delegates. To get all of them Trump would have to get above 50% in every district and get 50% state wide, to get most of the delegates. History says he simply isn’t going to do that well.

It seems a lot of people who never really paid attention to the nomination process are now confused and outraged. Where in the hell have you guys been the last few decades?

    Where have they been? Living their lives, trusting the GOPe.

    They’ll never be that stupid again.

    tom swift in reply to Sanddog. | April 17, 2016 at 4:24 am

    I suspect “a lot of people” know perfectly well how the nomination process works (if “works” is the proper word). It’s just that they’ve never before seen it so blatantly perverted and abused.

    Gremlin1974 in reply to Sanddog. | April 17, 2016 at 3:15 pm

    What I wonder is how many of these “Republicans” are actually members of the party? I bet they would be surprised to find out just putting republican on your voter registration doesn’t actually make you a member of the party. To be a member of the party, its the same on the other side as well, you actually have to attend meetings and at least be somewhat active in the party. In fact in many places it takes a simple majority vote of the current voting membership to make you a voting member.

    Being a Republican voter is not being a voting member of the party, if you want to influence how stuff is run get a few friends together and go to the meetings get voted in, in most local parties if you can get yourself and 3 friends to become voting members you can actually become a serious voting block and actually sway the vote of the local party, which if enough people do that it will sway county and then state policy of the party. That’s what I did with a few of my friends, and even though I am not active anymore, I and my friends kept several delegates from Romney last time, but I proved that it could be done.

    The problem is most “Republicans” want to just set on their dead asses and piss and moan because the people that actually give up their time and effort don’t do things the way they want them done.

    So either get up off of your dead arse and go do what it takes to influence the way things are done or STFU.

Good.

If Cruz couldn’t “clean up” in a state where he’s basically running unopposed, that would just be embarrassing. And I hate to see anybody egregiously mortified in public; even a thoroughly useless political hack deserves better than that.

Trump, the political Apprentice should be fired.

T-rump didn’t try.

The people of the West don’t much matter to the New York Collectivist.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/16/politics/wyoming-republican-convention-election-results/index.html

It’s apparent.

A year ago I preferred Cruz enough to put out a mostly laudatory post on him. Then his emails started to arrive. It seems every one who knows him thought I should send him money. I sent no money. I’ve stopped getting Cruz emails.
Funny how that happened.

    Milhouse in reply to secondwind. | April 17, 2016 at 8:03 am

    I’m calling you a liar. I’ve never sent him any money because I have none to spare for such luxuries as political donations, and yet his emails keep arriving. There’s no reason they would take you off the list just because you haven’t sent anything yet. You might still send something, and email is effectively free.

      spartan in reply to Milhouse. | April 17, 2016 at 6:30 pm

      You are correct. I have the same experience with the Cruz emails.

      Maybe, just maybe, the Cruz campaign has software that eradicates Trumpettes. They should market that software as Trollware. An eager market awaits 🙂

‘Congratulations’ Ted on your second *voter-less* primary win.

It will cost you more in public condemnation than those ill-gotten delegates will help you.

    Ragspierre in reply to VotingFemale. | April 17, 2016 at 11:48 am

    Have any of you poor old daft T-rump sucking LYING myrmidons wondered WHY none of you had your hair on fire over the “voterless” Iowa caucus….???

    Hmmm….????

    It’s because you weren’t issued “hair on fire” orders from the idiot you support in that instance.

    In THAT instance, Donelle T-rump was whining about “cheating” in another set of lies.

    You people are pathetic.

I just narrate what happened & you call me a liar? Interesting how your mind works. No wonder you offer some of the most inane comments. I see why you chose the handle you did.

    You mean this Milhouse?

    “Milhouse Mussolini Van Houten[5] (born July 1) is a ten year old boy and Bart’s best friend. As the only child of Kirk and Luann Van Houten, Milhouse’s most distinctive physical traits are his blue hair, big nose and extreme nearsightedness (depicted by very small eyes), requiring thick glasses to correct. He has average intelligence but very poor social skills. Although devious in his own way, Milhouse is quite gullible, which is why he is often led into trouble by Bart, who is not shy about taking advantage of the other’s naivete.”

    Milhouse in reply to secondwind. | April 17, 2016 at 1:01 pm

    I’m calling you a liar because I don’t believe that what you “narrate happened” actually did happen.

I was responding to Milquetoast from earlier, not Voting Female. Thought I’d better clarify given the touchlines of some of the commentators here.

I hate to keep repeating myself, but the Cruz “win” in Wyoming only solidifies the perception of the rank and file Republicans that Trump is right, when he says that the nomination process is rigged in favor of the GOP leadership and establishment. And, the recent incident in Georgia, where a district which was solidly won by Trump, at the polls, chose NO Trump delegates. And, it doesn’t help the GOP leadership when they, and Cruz supporters, continue to say that this is the “system”. Of course it is the system. And the “system” was put in p-lace by the leadership of the party. But, most of the rank and file members of the GOP are finding out that, not only does the system appear to be heavily biased in favor of securing the desires of the leadership, but that the leadership has no intention of following the will of the rank and file, whom they supposedly represent.

The big danger here is not that Donald trump will not secure, or will be denied the nomination, but that if Trump is denied the nomination after passing or coming very close to 1237, it is likely that his supporters will not show up at the polls in November. And, it is also unlikely that many independents, and no Democrats will cast a vote for Cruz. Now the independent/Democrat crossover vote might go to someone like Kasich, but if Cruz does not get the nomination, his supporters will likely not show up for the November elections right along with the Trump supporters. And that will affect other Republican races. So, it is entirely possible that not only will we see a Democrat in the WH, again, but the GOP could end up losing its majority in Congress.

    Quite a factual dissertation there, MAC45.

    The style of resistance itself against Trump is a distinct advantage to Trump.

    All this mania against Trump proves his point… The GOPe could not care less about voters’ votes if they don’t agree with it and their machinations are now being skillfully and successfully leveraged against them in the court of public opinion.

    If Trump is not the nominee losing all up and down the ballot forever is what the GOP will deserve.

      This is part and parcel what the Tea Party is all about and responding to the GOPe’s war on the Tea Party is why we do this.

      Attacking voters themselves has consequences.

      Ragspierre in reply to Gary Britt. | April 17, 2016 at 12:17 pm

      Just for the sake of truth-telling, you have said that if your little yellow god is not immaculated, YOU will vote Deemocrat.

      Yes. FOR the Deemocrat ticket.

      Which really is appropriate for a Collectivist thug.

    Ragspierre in reply to Mac45. | April 17, 2016 at 12:05 pm

    One of your chief pretensions is that YOU speak for “the rank and file” of Republican voters.

    Here’s a news flash: you don’t.

    Here’s another: neither does Der Donald.

    In Wyoming, as in Colorado, Donelle T-rump didn’t even show up. Not DURING the process months ago. Not DURING the process AT ALL.

    Why? Well, I’ll speculate (and it’s only that, let me flag) that his internal poling said he was dog crap in the West. Sell-out Sarah didn’t even bother to come.

    So, your thesis is that it is BRILLIANT politicking to…

    1. shank the organizational REQUIREMENTS of the state caucus

    2. make no real effort to win according to the rules AND…

    3. LIE about it being “unfair” and whine in the aftermath

    That simply makes reason stare and shake its head.

      We know Trump didn’t show up. And, we know why… because the outcome was already cast in concrete long before it happened.

      We also know that Trump instead, intended to leverage the voter-less gambit against Ted instead and is doing so with great effect.

      I am fairly confident Cory Lewandowski was the architect of these disenfranchisement counter-punches.

      Politics ain’t beanbag.

      As for “speaking for the rank and file…”

      We each speak as part of “the rank and file” regardless of candidates.

      No one commenting here or writing blog posts here speaks for anyone but themselves as part of the rank and file.

        Gremlin1974 in reply to VotingFemale. | April 17, 2016 at 3:26 pm

        Actually I speak as a voting member of my local party, not just someone who put an R on their voter registration form. What is the difference between the “rank and file” and a “voting member”. The difference is I actually go to the meetings, granted not so much anymore, and cast my vote on party issues and rules. I was approved by the local party to be a voting member by a vote of the current membership, want to know what that took? That took showing up to 3 monthly meetings in a row, real hard work. I took the time to actually do something more than just sit back and bitch because the world doesn’t run the way I want it to.

        Here’s a hint for you, the world isn’t Burger King you can not have it your way. So either get up off of your dead ass and do what it takes to change things to your liking or quit your bitching.

      Mac45 in reply to Ragspierre. | April 17, 2016 at 12:43 pm

      Point 1): I speak for no one. I merely offer an analysis of the situation.
      Point 2): It is ALL about the RULES. That is the point. The RULES are designed to allow the leadership of the party to totally control the nomination while still making it seem that the rank and file actually have a say in who gets nominated.
      Point3): I totally agree that the Trump organization felt that they would not get any delegates out of the states where there was no popular vote taken. So, they did not bother to attempt to sway the hand picked delegates of the GOP leadership.

      Now, what you simply refuse to believe is that the Trump organization is running a POPULIST campaign. They know that they do not have the support of the GOP leadership. In fact, they know, as been made abundantly clear, that the leadership is not only opposed to Trump, but is actively working against him. So, the Trump campaign, which has always been anti-establishment, is holding the GOP actions, which impact his campaign negatively, as examples of the lengths the party leadership will go to to deny him the nomination. And, it is working.

      Now, as an intellectual exercise please explain how procedures which ignore popular support for a candidate and allow less popular candidates to gain the nomination benefits the rank and file membership of any organization.

        gmac124 in reply to Mac45. | April 17, 2016 at 4:50 pm

        “Point 2): It is ALL about the RULES. That is the point. The RULES are designed to allow the leadership of the party to totally control the nomination while still making it seem that the rank and file actually have a say in who gets nominated.
        Point3): I totally agree that the Trump organization felt that they would not get any delegates out of the states where there was no popular vote taken. So, they did not bother to attempt to sway the hand picked delegates of the GOP leadership.”

        Counter to point 2. The rules are designed by the state party to represent them. Wyoming and Colorado voters that I know were represented. Trump was not represented because he didn’t try and didn’t learn the rules of each state.

        Counter to point 3. Trump hasn’t competed for delegates for 2 reasons. First he was only trying for a protest campaign where he was trying to take Ron Paul’s position with solid support but be second or third in delegates. Having delegates that would work for him at the convention wasn’t needed for that position. After his campaign took flight and he became the front runner, his ego took over and he started planning on straight up winning the nomination. Again he didn’t see a need for delegates to work for him at the convention. After Cruz’s campaign started to catch up and Trump began to realize that he probably wouldn’t win on the first ballot he STARTED to look at how he could still win the nomination. Than he realized that he was screwed because Cruz’s campaign had read the rules of the states and had their people in place and vetted already. Since he was so late in starting that game Trump chose to attack Cruz and blame the system to cover for his own ineptitude. Typical Trump attack for being caught with his pants down.

Cruz is Obama 2.0

√ Harvard educated.
√ First term junior Senator.
√ No leadership ability.
√ Career lawyer-politician
√ Considered Constitutional scholar.
√ Lecturing, talking down to others.
√ No executive, private sector experience.
√ Questionable citizenship, eligibility.
√ Records sealed to prevent investigation, proof of eligibility.
√ Parent/s with questionable citizenship
√ Parents questionable bigamous, illegal or non-existent marriage.
√ Lies constantly, brazenly, without remorse.
√ Use of dirty, dishonest tactics to win elections.
√ Relationship with non-mainstream Christian religious figure (Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Cruz’s Dominionist father)
√ Amnesty, foreign worker, Muslim/Cuban immigration advocate,
√ Work to diminish American identity and sovereignty.
√ Trade and immigration deals favoring foreign interests over American worker interests.

This just in…

Donald Trump Will Keep The Voter-Disenfranchisement Meme Alive & Growing

I doubt Team Trump expects much more than that but it’s all the more powerful that way…

Twitter Feed:

Sopan Deb
@SopanDeb

Paul Manafort told ABC that the Trump campaign is going to be filing protests in Missouri and Colorado:

http://pic.twitter.com/Dmh9k89tYs

10:30am · 17 Apr 2016 · TweetDeck

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    Ragspierre in reply to VotingFemale. | April 17, 2016 at 2:45 pm

    Donelle Trump Will Keep Whining, Lying and Being A Pre- Pubescent Drama Queen

    Dupes To Follow

      Sorry… Rags. You work in Trump’s favor.

      Carry on, old boy.

      Gremlin1974 in reply to Ragspierre. | April 17, 2016 at 3:29 pm

      Yea Rags but you realize the only reason for Trump to piss and moan like he has is fear, right. He realizes that everyday he gets farther and farther away form the nomination, and the only one he can blame is himself because he didn’t bother to know the rules.

Milquetoast, oh MILKsops!
There, I’ve equaled the intellectual output of that mental giant Ragspierre in this entire exchange.

Can any Trump supporter tell the audience here what a caucus is? How it works?

Bonus points if you can tell us what the rule change in Colorado actually changed (old rule versus new rule).

    Ragspierre in reply to Gunstar1. | April 17, 2016 at 5:38 pm

    Since your post has now gone an hour without response…

    we can award you the Lying T-rump Sucker Gob-stopper Award for this thread.

    Way to go, good work, and fine job…!!!!

    Barry in reply to Gunstar1. | April 17, 2016 at 6:28 pm

    Maybe the question is just a stupid simplistic one. No one will bother with playing with you as a result.

    Until now.

    A “caucus” is just another term for smoke filled rooms where the political bosses determine what insider will pay them best.

    Simple. To the point. And precise.

      Ragspierre in reply to Barry. | April 17, 2016 at 6:50 pm

      …and total bullshit.

      Gremlin1974 in reply to Barry. | April 18, 2016 at 6:20 pm

      No a ‘Caucus’ is

      cau·cus
      ˈkôkəs/Submit
      noun
      1.
      a meeting of the members of a legislative body who are members of a particular political party, to select candidates or decide policy.
      “caucuses will be held in eleven states”
      2.
      a group of people with shared concerns within a political party or larger organization.
      “the conservative caucus”

      Now here is the fun news, just putting and R on your voter registration does not make you a member of the Republican Party. You must be accepted to the party and pay dues, attend meetings and be of use. Then you are a voting member of the Republican party and can vote to influence the party.

      So what a Caucus in a sate for the Republican Party is, is a meeting of the voting members of the party to help determine delegate appointment to the various candidates trying for the nomination and or to make the rules as to how that delegation will be handled. No state is required to hold a Primary to allow non-members vote and have an opinion on the candidate that the party chooses and those states that do have primaries have them at the pleasure of the voting members of the party in that state.

      It is a simple binary, you either are or are not a member of the Party, if you are not then while the party may take your feelings and belief into account they are by no means required to bend to the will of those non-members.

The People vs The GOPe:

Poll: 62% Say Republican with Most Votes Should Be Nominee

More than six in 10 Republican voters believe that, if no GOP presidential candidate wins a majority of delegates before the convention, the one with the most votes should be the party’s nominee, according to a new national NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll.

That’s compared with 33 percent of Republicans who say the nominee instead should be the candidate whom convention delegates think would be the party’s best standard-bearer.

citation: http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/first-read/poll-62-say-republican-most-votes-should-be-nominee-n556846

    Ragspierre in reply to VotingFemale. | April 17, 2016 at 6:49 pm

    So now you want the rules changed for Brave Sir Donald…???

      I’m just the messenger… the poll numbers are what they are and mean what they mean.

      GOP’s Smoke Filled Rooms are relics of the roaring 20s.

        Ragspierre in reply to VotingFemale. | April 17, 2016 at 7:36 pm

        The smoke-filled rooms are delusions you are burdened with. Or a lie you just like telling. Or both.

        The poll is of “Republican voters”. They don’t get to set Republican policy, honey. A lot of them are too stupid to understand the process, like you and Berry.

        If you want to set policy, you join the party and you WORK, not bitch.

          Go argue with 62% of the GOP.

          BTW, 62% = Majority. Majority Rules Except In A Dictatorship like the one run in Smoked Filled Rooms.

          Barry in reply to Ragspierre. | April 17, 2016 at 8:42 pm

          ” A lot of them are too stupid to understand the process, like you and Berry.”

          I understand the process. Always have. It is corrupt to the core. Only a fool, or a corruptocrat, doesn’t acknowledge this.

          You could be both of course.

          Gremlin1974 in reply to Ragspierre. | April 18, 2016 at 6:34 pm

          @VotingFemale

          Once again just voting Republican or putting Republican on your voter registration does not make you a member of the GOP. Also all of those “republican voters” in that survey are unconfirmed, which means they most likely they are not actually republican voters.

    Gremlin1974 in reply to VotingFemale. | April 18, 2016 at 6:29 pm

    So 62% of voters who may or may not actually vote republican don’t understand the rules of the party or convention. Also that is 62% out of a pool of how many? Most news phone surveys are around 500 people, so usually not representative of the actual population.

GOP Spox Says Cruz Has No Way of Winning 1,237 Bound Delegates (VIDEO)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnGv8x7Zipk

    Of course he doesn’t. As a practical matter he hasn’t had a chance for a month at least. Time for Cruz to follow his advice to Kasich and get out of the race for tge good of the party.

      Trump-Despisers are an interesting lot …true dispisers, not the ones playing politics as both sides do.

      They can not wrap their heads around the possibility of being wrong about him. As in, how could so many people fall for this guy.

      One of many answers comes to mind… the movie The Postman.

      I won’t go into why. People are not dumb; they know exactly what I am implying if they have seen it or after they see it.

      .

        People can also be wrong for the right reasons and right for the wrong reasons.

        The thing is, VF, if you substitute Worshipers (or Lovers, or Acolytes, …) for Despisers a lot of people would then believe your post to be accurate. Mostly a different group than now believe it – but there are people who would believe both versions.

        Sadly, the ones that believe only one version seem to be completely blind to the reality of the other version…

          What people agree with or disagree with is not at issue, Paul.

          There are those who fanatically give their allegiance to a candidate based mostly, or solely, on subjective feelings & emotions.

          It is a parallel in that it is emotionally rooted.

          One of these modes is positive attraction and the other is negative rejection.

    Gremlin1974 in reply to VotingFemale. | April 18, 2016 at 7:10 pm

    Which is not the same as saying that Cruz can not get 1237 delegates to achieve the nomination.

“BTW, 62% = Majority. Majority Rules Except In A Dictatorship like the one run in Smoked Filled Rooms.”

No, you poor, stupid, lying daft old T-rump sucker.

This is a republic. The majority abides by the law.

Morons.

    Then why go to all the trouble of creating the illusion of voters having a voice which is -fairly represented-?

    See… this is the issue of misplaced trust by the many, in the few.

    Sorry if that upsets some people… trust is in short supply.

      Good question, VF. I’ve been wondering, too, how people can possibly not understand this at least in theory. After all, most people (all people commenting here, I believe) know that a president can be elected after losing the popular vote to his rival but winning the Electoral College. We know this even if many think it unfair, and etc. Remember the uproar over Bush in 2000? The delegate selection process is wildly different in many ways, but the fundamental assumption that whomever gets the most votes wins has never been accurate, either during primaries or during the general.

      I voted in Florida (for Cruz, of course), and my vote didn’t “count” because Trump got 100% of my state’s delegates. That’s how Florida’s primary is set up; winner take all. Does it sound like my voice or those of other Floridians who did not vote for Trump is fairly represented when Trump gets 100% of the delegates but won less than 50% of the vote? Not really. But that’s how it is. If we want the rules changed, we have to get involved at the state and local level. That’s where change takes place in state-based issues like this, it seems to me anyway.

      Until the rules are changed at the state level, though, they are what must be followed . . . whether they favor our guy this time around or not.

        I believe you are comparing related but different topics.

        When rank and file voters don’t have a vote, there is no say at the foundation level.

          I do understand that point, but I guess I don’t get why people are upset about it now when the rules were changed first in August and again in December. Colorado newspapers published articles on it (I’ll link a few below), so it’s not like it was a secret.

          The way I think it happened was that Colorado didn’t want its delegates bound as the new national GOP rules required, so being somewhat independent-minded in Colorado (at least right-leaning people there), they said to heck with that nonsense, you can’t make us bind our delegates. So they got rid of their straw poll (which was nonbinding anyway until the national GOP rule change). This was an effort to push back against the national GOP forcing their delegates to vote for the winner should it go to convention (become bound).

          But Colorado Republicans were all welcome to participate in precinct caucuses and to elect the delegates to larger county assemblies where the delegates would there select delegates to the state assemblies and so on. It’s like they take a neighborhood vote, then the person elected in the neighborhood goes and votes for someone to represent the county . . . and outward until they pick the delegates for the state.

          These precinct caucuses sound strange to those of us who don’t live in states like this or haven’t read about how these things were done initially (primaries are relatively new), but the idea seems to be a more community-oriented thing where locals come along and speak for their candidate, vote for delegates, etc. Think of it as representative government playing out in a pretty pure sense because the first precinct vote is decided by the voters in the precinct who vote for that person to represent their precinct at the county level and on. Strange as it sounds to us, that’s how Colorado does it.

          All caucuses, by definition, though, are representative with the general public (those affiliated with the party) voicing their opinions only at the most local level. Anyway, here are a few links that span from last August to this week, so you can see what I mean: http://www.denverpost.com/election/ci_29570594/colorado-caucus-10-things-you-need-know

          https://www.conservativereview.com/commentary/2016/04/yes-donald-colorado-did-vote-on-march-1

          http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_28700919/colorado-republicans-cancel-2016-presidential-caucus-vote

          The say that the rank and file have is only in their precinct caucus, but they do have a say.

          Read my comments below addressing this issue.

          #SmokeFilledRoom

          Sanddog in reply to VotingFemale. | April 18, 2016 at 3:18 am

          So?

          Are you suggesting they knew back in August of 2015 how the nomination would play out, including Trump’s inability to understand how the ground game is played?

          Wow… that’s some awesome prognostication. I wonder how many of them have won the powerball.

          I have previously addressed that. Look back through the comments here.

          Sanddog,

          I’ll save you the trouble of looking for what I wrote elsewhere in this post’s comment section:

          “VotingFemale | April 17, 2016 at 12:00 pm

          On March 11, 2016 aka 311, Ted Cruz joined the #StopTrump GOPe and Jeb, Lindsey Graham, etc etc etc endorsed him as a #StopTrump foil, never intending him to ever be nominated.

          These *voter-less* primaries Ted has been gifted were put in place to stop outsiders… like Ted. They never really thought Trump had a chance and Jeb was the intended beneficiary of the *voter-less* gambit.

          Ted is not capable of winning the general election and anyone who believes he can is deluded.”

        Gremlin1974 in reply to Fuzzy Slippers. | April 18, 2016 at 3:12 pm

        There also seems to be a lack of understanding about how Primaries even work. In many states winning the primary only entitles you to a certain number of delegates and that number varies greatly. The actual process is different from state to state. In the few winner take all states sure it means you get all the delegates on the first vote, but that is it, period.

        Just wait, we are going to hear the same screeching come Tuesday when Trump fails to hit 50% in every county and people realize that getting 50% state wide only gets him 14 delegates.

And this just in about the corrupt Colorado voterless delegate selection.

The Colorado reps who tanked primary vote by people are all Ted Cruz hand picked delegates.

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/04/17/colorado-lawmakers-voted-scrap-election-are-ted-cruz-delegates/

Corruption by any other name still stinks to high heaven.

    gmac124 in reply to Gary Britt. | April 17, 2016 at 11:53 pm

    Gary let me help you out a bit since you can’t figure out google.

    Question: What was changed in the Colorado Republican primary?

    Answer: Straw poll was removed.

    Why: Colorado didn’t want to bind their delegates to any candidate and a party change required candidates to be bound if a preference poll was taken. Therefore all delegates for Colorado are unbound and can vote however they want on the first poll.

    Matt_SE in reply to Gary Britt. | April 18, 2016 at 12:02 am

    Back in August, these people didn’t even know if Cruz would still be in the race, let alone that they would be doing this to screw Trump. Foiler.

      “On March 11, 2016 aka 311, Ted Cruz joined the #StopTrump GOPe and Jeb, Lindsey Graham, etc etc etc endorsed him as a #StopTrump foil, never intending him to ever be nominated.

      These *voter-less* primaries Ted has been gifted were put in place to stop outsiders… like Ted. They never really thought Trump had a chance and Jeb was the intended beneficiary of the *voter-less* gambit.

      Ted is not capable of winning the general election and anyone who believes he can is deluded.”

      I see the anger you are portraying. Sorry you are upset.
      Sorry you, as a Cruz supporter, are candidate loyalty-compelled to defend the GOPe.

      Ted, thus you, stood against them till you and he didn’t.

      Back in August they did know Trump was leading in the polls and they knew the party bosses wanted Bush. They were afraid the voters might not vote the way party bosses wanted so they corrupted the process and made it a voterless selection so party bosses could control who got delegates.

        Ragspierre in reply to Gary Britt. | April 18, 2016 at 11:50 am

        There’s just not way to stop you lying the same lies.

        It’s OK. Nobody believes you idiots.

          Let not your heart be troubled. People don’t need you trying to prevent them from seeing the views of others because you don’t agree with those views. The behavior reeks of fear, panic, and authoritarianism.

          People are smarter than you give them credit for.

          Shutting down free speech of fellow Republicans goes against the grain of conservative constitutionalism.

          Ragspierre in reply to Ragspierre. | April 18, 2016 at 12:15 pm

          There’s just no way to stop you lying the same lies.

          It’s OK. Nobody believes you idiots.

          And nobody is trying to shut down, liar.

          Much of what you characterize as “lies” are in fact, facts… facts you don’t like.

          It’s not my fault you lack the acumen and character to successfully debate.

          Ragspierre in reply to Ragspierre. | April 18, 2016 at 12:58 pm

          There’s just no way to stop you lying the same lies.

          It’s OK. Nobody believes you idiots.

          And nobody is trying to shut you down, liar.

          The facts disagree with you.

          There has been a public overt concerted effort by several people who comment at LI to have me banned from commenting here.

          To say otherwise is an outright lie.

          I am finished for the time being with giving your inner-troll additional attention.

        Trump was leading for sure last August.

        Party bosses were confident they could stop Trump with a high dollar attack blitz but Ted was another problem altogether. At that point, Ted & Donald both = GOPe persona non grata.

        In my opinion, Ted was considered by the GOPe to be the more perplexing problem. They could not risk mounting a #StopCruz attack like they prosecuted on Trump.

        The only solution was tinkering with state primary mechanizations and back channel efforts to suppress Cruz.

        Others will, no doubt, see it differently of course but this is my assessment.

CBS YouGov polls just out.

California, Trump leads by 18%
Trump leads Cruz and Kasich as the CBS News Battleground Tracker begins looking at the contest, 49 percent to 31 percent for Cruz and 16 percent for Kasich.

New York
Trump 54, Cruz 21
Trump leads by 33%

From neo-neocon…

“Barry Goldwater in 1964. How is his nomination explained? It wasn’t popular-vote primaries, it was that smoke-filled room, the establishment, nominating him—but as a result of a conservative effort to organize against that establishment, an effort that succeeded that time.”

http://neoneocon.com/2016/04/16/republican-vs-republican/

You should read the whole thing.

New York
Trump 54, Cruz 21

So I guess you would be fine with Trump being awarded only 54% of the NY delegates?

    Trump will receive votes. There will be a tally. What he gets is what he gets.

    Same for Ted and same for Kasich.

    In most things in America it is winner take all. Proportionality is the exception when it comes to contests to select a winner.

      Agreed, Gary. In my opinion, state delegate ‘proportionality’ is little more that a participation award for the losers.

      Gremlin1974 in reply to Gary Britt. | April 18, 2016 at 3:31 pm

      And Gary is fact deficient once again. There are actually only 8 winner take all States in the Republican Primary. Then there are 14 that are proportional delegation states with a “Winner Take all Trigger” (i.e. If a candidate gets a certain % of the vote then it is WTA).

      The rest of the “states” (I use the ” because this includes places like the Virgin Islands and PR.) are either proportional or decided by convention.

      So lets just call the WTA “states” even the one that are trigger only and add them together shall we? 8 + 14 = 22

      Well now isn’t that interesting, because that’s not even a majority of the basic 50 states.

      Now lets take the States that aren’t Winner take all. 50 – 22 leaves 23, but then we have to add in the area’s that have delegates but aren’t “states” (There are 5 btw, one is WTA and I have already added that to the total WTA above, that leaves 4 that are not WTA) So 23 + 4 equals 27.

      so not WTA is not the Norm and true WTA are actually the lowest % of states.

      Oh, btw this took a 10 second Google search to find out, here’s the Website.

      http://frontloading.blogspot.com/p/2016-republican-delegate-allocation-by.html

      Not that I expect you to change your wonderfully fact free arguments, but I feel it is a public service to point out your blatant lies.

Not Even Record Turnout Can Dispel the Whiny ‘Voterless Elections’ Spin

“Voterless elections” is the new favorite rallying cry of the Trump campaign, dutifully reported by the Drudge Report.

‘CRUZ CELEBRATES ANOTHER VOTERLESS VICTORY: NO ELECTION IN WY . . .’

It’s absolute horse puckey. There was a vote, at precinct caucuses March 1, and turnout was higher than anyone can remember. From the Wyoming Tribune Eagle, March 2, 2016:

Laramie County Republican Party Chairman Jared Olsen said he never has seen a turnout like Tuesday night.

Hundreds of people packed the College Community Center at Laramie County Community College to take part in the county precinct caucus.

All the parking lots around the building were full, and cars were parked on the shoulder of College Drive.

A line stretched out the door well past the original starting time of 6 p.m., pushing the beginning of the caucus about a half-hour late.

In an average presidential primary election, somewhere between 170 and 250 people show up, Olsen said.

This year the party checked in 778 voters.

And in the Casper Star-Tribune:

Hundreds of people filled a room and spilled out the door Tuesday night in Natrona County to voice their opinions on who should be the next president.

Natrona County Republican Party Chairman Bonnie Foster said she had never seen a crowd like this at the party’s precinct caucus . . .

Before the tally was taken, Foster asked for those who had never attended a Natrona County Republican Party event like Tuesday night’s to raise their hands.

Most of the hands in the crowd went up, all the way out the door.

The Wyoming model was similar to Colorado’s — precinct caucuses held March 1; then county conventions, and a state convention. Once again, this is all very clear if you bother to read the rules, posted online. The Trump campaign appears to have not bothered.
—Jim Gerhehty

So thems the facts, lying liars who lie at T-rump command like a clan of trained monkeys.

    Jim Gerhehty is another #NeverTrumper and skews his POV to align with that.

    You may as well quote Erick Erickson and Glenn Beck.

      Ragspierre in reply to VotingFemale. | April 18, 2016 at 1:48 pm

      You can’t deal with the FACTS, so you attack solid conservatives who don’t plant their lips on the T-rumpian ass like you have.

      Try again, you poor old daft LYING T-rump sucker.

      Deal with the FACTS.

        There he goes again… like a roller coaster that jumps the tracks.

        I monitor Jim Gerhehty and many many others daily.

        Gerhehty = Trump-Dispiser …just like you, and it is obvious why you sought out his POV to bolster your own.

    Here is the bottom line… Public perception of party corruption is deep and wide. This perception did not start with this primary.

      Ragspierre in reply to VotingFemale. | April 18, 2016 at 2:33 pm

      No. Here’s the bottom line…

      you are actively working to CHANGE the perception of a valid process in Colorado and Wyoming by LYING about what happened.

      Corruption in politics is a tautology. But there is a difference between the corruption of OFFICE HOLDERS who betray their promises versus the grass-roots people who conduct the kind of caucus we’ve seen in the Colorado, Wyoming and IOWA. And Donelle T-rump NEVER uttered a word about “corruption” or “rigging” PRIOR to those.

      NOT. ONE. WORD.

      Did he…???

        There is nothing valid in preventing Colorado Republican rank and file from voting in a primary election.

        I can understand why you think it is valid, Rags.

        You exhibit a penchant for suppression just like GOPe party bosses deign to consider voters qualified to actually decide the fate of the Colorado primary delegate apportionment.

        You bounce around these comment sections like the energizer bunny trying to stamp out opposing views.

        Silly Wabbit.

          Ragspierre is the designated “LI Cruzbot Lying Attack Weasel” or LICLAW for short. ;-))

          gmac124 in reply to VotingFemale. | April 18, 2016 at 3:26 pm

          “There is nothing valid in preventing Colorado Republican rank and file from voting in a primary election.”

          WHO was prevented from voting in Colorado? I want a list of names, party affiliation, voting precinct, and who turned them away.

          News flash not taking the time to participate or learn the process is the voters fault not the Republican party’s. Attempting to shift the blame is quite disingenuous bordering on sedition.

          I think most folks who read Rags comments agree with that.

          With regards to the public behavior of Rags here, I can cite something of a positive nature… That this maniac is not a Trump supporter acting like an escapee from Bellevue’s mental ward.

          Without a shred of doubt, Rags is the most unhinged guy commenting at LI and so painfully lacking in intellectual depth. There are others who let their anger get away from them and who are quite aggressive with me but Rags is the cherry on top.

          I have no doubt he is quite proud of that even though he is actually helping Trump more than hurting him, in my view.

          Colorado doesn’t hold primaries, VF. Nor do Iowa, Alaska,and a handful of other states.

          Why don’t you understand that?

          You are saying Colorado has never held straw polls at their state conventions?

          I just want to make sure I quote you correctly, FS.

          Though some folks wont believe it, I would be of the same opinion about @cologop ripping off the rank and file Colorado voters if they had done this to Cruz in favor of Trump.

          Frankly, the whole thing stinks to the Moon.

          Ragspierre in reply to VotingFemale. | April 18, 2016 at 8:54 pm

          You are a liar.

          Twitter Feed:


          Laura Ingraham Verified account
          ‏@IngrahamAngle

          Trump has won the battle of public opinion on delegate war. That spells trouble for GOP if they deny the guy w/most delegates the nom.

          Retweets 1,699 Likes 2,770

          9:43 AM – 17 Apr 2016

          Ragspierre in reply to VotingFemale. | April 18, 2016 at 8:59 pm

          See, that’s part of why I don’t like or trust twitter.

          You can post a tweet that makes Laura sound like she’s gone stupid, and it’s only part of a stream that mean nothing like what was quoted.

          IF that’s it, she has gone stupid…T-rump sucking seems to have the effect…and dishonest.

          Abraham Lincoln was the guy with fewer votes going into the convention that nominated him.

          So the guy with more delegates was denied the nom by the GOP.

          That’s WHY there is a CONVENTION, instead of a popularity contest.

          Learn some history, as well as current events.

          Oh, and stop lying.

          Twitter Feed:


          Laura Ingraham
          ‏@IngrahamAngle

          Americans Mad at Gov’t: Poll finds Americans fed up with feds & don’t trust politicians to fix problems

          http://www.lifezette.com/polizette/americans-angry-at-govt-unhappy-with-candidates/ @LifeZette

          2:33 PM – 18 Apr 2016

Rut Row,

Reports are that National Enquirer will publish photos and report of Ted Cruz’s father in New Orleans with Lee Harvey Oswald passing out pro Castro communist flyers. It was about 3 months before Oswald killed Kennedy. Was Rafael Cruz on the grassy knoll that day ??? Enquiring Minds Want To Know.

    I await the reports but in the meantime, Lee Harvey Oswald was a devout Communist and very attracted to the Soviets in the USSR and Cuba.

    Oswald actually moved to the USSR and later came back a disillusioned man because, as he stated, you could make rubles but try finding stuff to buy with them.

    FBI reports on Oswald include him standing on street corners handing out Communist propaganda leaflets.

    Gremlin1974 in reply to Gary Britt. | April 18, 2016 at 5:44 pm

    lol, so what? The National Enquirer isn’t exactly a bastion of truth and journalistic integrity. So they are going to put out what will either be doctored and or to grainy to actually make out any detail.

“There is nothing valid in preventing Colorado Republican rank and file from voting in a primary election.”

They did, you stupid, LYING daft old T-rump sucking thing.

Did I mention you lied?

They vote in higher numbers than the previous cycle, liar.

“In an average presidential primary election, somewhere between 170 and 250 people show up, Olsen said.

This year the party checked in 778 voters.”

Now, lie some more, liar. Gaghdad Bob will be your “good buddy” in the process.

    Oh? The Colorado GOP held a rank and file primary election in Colorado, Rags?

    Better get on the horn with Colorado GOP or tweet them at @cologop and tell them about it.

      Ragspierre in reply to VotingFemale. | April 18, 2016 at 4:48 pm

      Yes, stupid. The Colorado GOP held an election (caucus) involving THEIR members. Like the Wyoming GOP.

      To pick THEIR delegates to THEIR convention. To vote on THEIR nominee.

      How often does that have to be repeated?

      Well, we know the answer. You’ll keep LYING about the T-rumpian meme, on the orders of your little yellow god.

      So, I’ll keep telling the plain truth.

      Gremlin1974 in reply to VotingFemale. | April 18, 2016 at 5:55 pm

      There is no Rank and File Republican Voters. Just putting R on your voter registration doesn’t make you a member of the Republican party, it means your preference is for the candidates the Republican party puts forward.

      To be an actual member of the Republican you have to actually attend the meetings, be nominated to join by a current member, be seconded then voted in, at which point you pay your dues and you are then a voting member of the local republican party, which means you can nominate delegates to higher meetings such as county or state.

      States that award delegates through a primary system do so at the pleasure of the voting members of the party, who are perfectly within their rights to not have a primary and have a caucus of voting members instead.

      The rank and file Republican party you describe simply doesn’t exist and is not meant to exist. If you want to influence how the party is run then go to meetings pay dues and become a voting member of the party, which I encourage you to do so, I think you would be a great addition.

    You have said, as I recall, that you have a twitter account.

    It the twitter account @ragspierre your account?

      Ragspierre in reply to VotingFemale. | April 18, 2016 at 4:49 pm

      I don’t use it. I found twitter populated with people like you.

        Ted Cruz is on twitter… lol

        But yeah… twitter is not an SafeSpace where you are protected from ‘micro-aggressions’ of folks who’s opinions don’t spoon with yours.

        People like Laura Ingraham for instance:

        Twitter Feed:

        Laura Ingraham
        @IngrahamAngle

        Trump has won the battle of public opinion on delegate war.

        That spells trouble for GOP if they deny the guy w/most delegates the nom.

        9:43am · 17 Apr 2016 · Twitter for iPhone

        1,682 Retweets 2,736 Likes

          Gremlin1974 in reply to VotingFemale. | April 18, 2016 at 7:23 pm

          So you are pointing out that a Trump Media Hack is being a Trump Media Hack? I don’t get your point.

          Ragspierre in reply to VotingFemale. | April 18, 2016 at 8:21 pm

          See, that’s part of why I don’t like or trust twitter.

          You can post a tweet that makes Laura sound like she’s gone stupid, and it’s only part of a stream that mean nothing like what was quoted.

          IF that’s it, she has gone stupid…T-rump sucking seems to have the effect…and dishonest.

          Abraham Lincoln was the guy with fewer votes going into the convention that nominated him.

          So the guy with more delegates was denied the nom by the GOP.

          That’s WHY there is a CONVENTION, instead of a popularity contest.

          Learn some history, as well as current events.

        Ragspierre in reply to Ragspierre. | April 18, 2016 at 8:14 pm

        Yah, but it’s been corrupted by T-rump suckers who lie, pretend to be what they aren’t, and troll.

        I get all that I need right here. From you. You poor stupid, daft LYING T-rump sucker.

        Who trolls.

Mark Levin Gives Thumbs-Up on Donald Trump Tax Proposal: ‘A Hell of a Plan!’

“This is a hell of a plan,” conservative radio host Mark Levin said Monday night about Donald Trump’s tax proposal, while admitting he disagrees with the GOP candidate in several areas.

“Let me tell you the strong things in this,” he continued. “And he’s very specific for those who want specifics.”

The rest is here: http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/09/28/mark-levin-gives-thumbs-donald-trump-tax-proposal-hell-plan/

Watch: This Controversial Trump Plan Has Mark Levin Calling Donald’s Critics ‘Dead Wrong’

When GOP front-runner and outspoken firebrand Donald Trump issued his immigration reform plan several days ago, one element of the 5-page proposal that stirred a lot of emotional controversy was Trump’s call to stop conferring birthright citizenship on so-called “anchor babies.” Many advocates and defenders of the practice argue that granting automatic citizenship to children born in the U.S. — even when their parents are here illegally — has always been a constitutional right.

However, a legal analyst for generally left-leaning CNN concedes that the longstanding assumption about anchor babies and their birthright is not so clear-cut — the constitutional questions surrounding the practice of conferring automatic citizenship are layered and complex. When promoters of the practice point to the 14th Amendment as the foundation for their support, the CNN analyst, Danny Cevallos, cautions that the meaning of the “jurisdiction clause” is fuzzy, given that the 14th Amendment was ratified in 1868.

On the Fox News show Hannity Wednesday night, radio host, author, lawyer, and constitutional scholar Mark Levin weighed in on the issue that’s now a hot topic in the GOP presidential race.

see the video of Mark Levin here: http://www.westernjournalism.com/watch-this-controversial-trump-plan-has-mark-levin-calling-donalds-critics-dead-wrong/

    Ragspierre in reply to VotingFemale. | April 18, 2016 at 9:32 pm

    So.

    Now you’re changing the subject?

    You do know that Levin has endorsed Cruz and many times since excoriated Der Donald.

    Right, you poor stupid daft old LYING T-rump sucker?

      gmac124 in reply to Ragspierre. | April 18, 2016 at 11:46 pm

      Rags she got a new talking point from headquarters. They realized they couldn’t appear that stupid much longer.

      Barry in reply to Ragspierre. | April 19, 2016 at 12:30 am

      “You do know that Levin has endorsed Cruz and many times since excoriated Der Donald.”

      All it took was enough money. Levin sold himself, like he always has, like most of the punditry class. The donor class buys them all.

      It has nothing to do with Cruz or Trump or “integrity”. It’s all about the Benjamin’s.

        Ragspierre in reply to Barry. | April 19, 2016 at 9:25 am

        No, liar. All it took was enough exposure to T-rump’s Collectivist politics, poisonous character, and flagrant lies.

        If you listen to Levin, you can watch the progression and the conviction he’s come to.

        You really are a fine example of a T-rump sucking cultist.

          I see the Kruz Klansman is rooting in the waller again.

          Ragspierre in reply to Ragspierre. | April 19, 2016 at 10:52 am

          I see you trolling. With “K”.

          Your have lost your mind.

          Barry in reply to Ragspierre. | April 19, 2016 at 3:00 pm

          “If you listen to Levin, you can watch the progression and the conviction he’s come to.”

          LOL, I can watch the progression of money and come up with a much likelier answer.

          I’d say your nose must be a couple miles long by now.

          You’re either too stupid to recognize the truth, or just another GOPe insider trying to keep his gravy train going.

          Could be both of course.

          Ragspierre in reply to Ragspierre. | April 19, 2016 at 4:44 pm

          You simply lie.

          Gremlin1974 in reply to Ragspierre. | April 19, 2016 at 5:45 pm

          Hey Barry,

          Since all this “money” you say Lavin has taken would be a matter or public record, I am sure you wouldn’t mind proving your assertion, or are you just full of crap as usual?

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