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Will 2016 contest be between #NeverTrump and #NeverHillary voters?

Will 2016 contest be between #NeverTrump and #NeverHillary voters?

Both parties are in #Never #Never land.

Professor Jacobson notes that socialism-embracing Sen. Bernie Sanders is enjoying a lot of “other people’s money” in the form of donations. He suggested that Sanders is poised solidify his position as the designated nominee should Hillary “fall”.

I wanted to add another perspective on the current state of the Democratic Party’s race. While some Republicans are initiating a #NeverTrump movement, there is a very robust and dynamic #NeverHillary faction among progressives.

I would like to highlight some of their sentiments, as these opinions are likely to go under-reported by our elite media.

The linked story reports that a Hawaii Democrat who resigned a leadership post with the Democratic National Committee in order to endorse Bernie Sanders, admitted she was warned against breaking from front-runner Hillary Clinton. The community organizers have been organizing against Clinton:

The movement is called “Bernie or Bust,” and it means just that: If Sen. Bernard Sanders of Vermont loses the Democratic presidential nomination, a group of his supporters will either write in his name in the general election or consider casting their ballot for a Republican. The one thing they certainly won’t do: Vote for Hillary Clinton. More than 50,000 people already have signed up at the Revolt Against Plutocracy, pledging to vote for the Green Party candidate in the general election or write in Mr. Sanders’ name if Mrs. Clinton wins the Democratic nomination. Other groups, such as Grassroots Action for Bernie, are taking to social media, using Facebook and Twitter to try to get the “Bernieorbust” hashtag trending.

#NeverHillary enthusiasts are actually vetting Clinton:

The video being promoted by this #NeverHillary voter focuses on the lowlights of Hillary Clinton’s career.

While most of Clinton’s infamous career is known to Legal Insurrection readers, I suspect many long-time Democrats may be on a fascinating journey of discovery.

Some progressives are now quite disenchanted with MSNBC. This gem also comes from a Sanders supporter who is in the #NeverHillary camp.

A glimpse of the collapse of Super Tuesday participation on the Democratic side underscores the lack of enthusiasm among that party’s primary voters (NPR via Tammy Bruce).

LI #37 voters

Note that Colorado is the only primary that saw an uptick in participation among Democrats, and Sanders won that state among 3 others. Super Tuesday was no “blow out” for Clinton, showing that a significant amount of Democrats are likely either #NeverHillary or leaning that way. In fact, many Sanders supporters point to his victories as a reason why he actually won the day:

Bernie won Super Tuesday! Let me explain why.

…It turns out that Hillary Clinton won all of the states she was supposed to win — and a narrow victory in Massachusetts (remember she won Mass. by 15 points against Obama and still lost the primary in 2008). But Bernie Sanders had resounding wins in CO & MN. Those two states are much more indicative of the states that are coming in the rest of the primary schedule.

All of these Southern states were Hillary Clinton’s best states (by the way, also irrelevant places to have strength in for the general election). She’s used up most of her ammo and doesn’t even know what kind of trouble she’s in. Right before the voting, she pivoted toward the right again in anticipation of the general election. Big mistake. She can’t help herself; she lives and breaths arrogance.

Tonight could have been the knock out punch if Clinton had won CO & MN. But she didn’t! She lost them big. Now, he has a $40 million war chest and favorable map in front of him. Feel the Bern!

All this angst seems a bit under-reported, as the media would like the focus on the Republican primary drama. And while there is plenty of news on the GOP side, it is worthwhile to remember that it isn’t all sunshine and roses among Democrats.

I suspect threatening #NeverHillary voters to change their minds will work out as successfully as bullying #NeverTrump voters to amend their election plans.

Will 2016 contest be between #NeverTrump and #NeverHillary voters? A lot will depend on how the Republican establishment addresses the “will of the people” as expressed in the primaries and caucuses.

They can see how well brute force is working for the Democratic Party’s elites.


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Report out today on FOX News, FBI Director Comey is prepared to move to the next logical step in two weeks with the Hillary investigation, alluding to a move to indict or dismiss charges.

    JimMtnViewCaUSA in reply to VotingFemale. | March 2, 2016 at 10:12 pm

    One way forward: send both Trump (Trump University) and Hillary (treason) to jail. Then we could let Ted and Bernie go head to head.

Another FOX report by O’Reilly that Trump’s popular vote count exceeds Cruz’s by roughly 550 thousand votes and Rubio’s by roughly a million plus votes.

The #nevertrump morons are mainly just GOPe pundits and staffers who are afraid Trump will end their orrupt gravy train. Plus a handful of nut jobs.

    Ragspierre in reply to Gary Britt. | March 2, 2016 at 9:42 pm

    Since you’re posting, you are lying.

    #NEVERTrump people are principled conservatives.

    You are a supporter of a stinking, lying Collectivist thug who is a fraud.

    As you both know and have been forced to admit.

      Whiskey Bravo in reply to Ragspierre. | March 2, 2016 at 10:04 pm

      Right there with ya, Rags. You’re tracking solid and on target.

      dystopia in reply to Ragspierre. | March 3, 2016 at 5:56 am

      Neither Cruz or Trump is acceptable to party regulars.
      At this point the only hope of the Republican Establishment is (a) a miracle or (b)a brokered convention. If Trump does not get a majority, Cruz can either throw in with Trump and run as Vice-President or watch Mrs. Clinton take the oath.

      You can hang together or hang separately.

        peg_c in reply to dystopia. | March 3, 2016 at 7:40 am

        I agree with you. I have a lot of #NeverTrumpers among my friends. They are simply deluded if they think Cruz (or Rubio) can win the general. And I have liked Cruz since I first heard about him years ago. This country cannot and will not elect a principled conservative. A lot of conservatives simply refuse to comprehend and accept this.

          gmac124 in reply to peg_c. | March 3, 2016 at 9:17 am

          ” This country cannot and will not elect a principled conservative. A lot of conservatives simply refuse to comprehend and accept this.”

          Ronald Reagan was the last principled conservative to win a nomination. Where do you pull this crap about conservatives cant win from?

          Barry in reply to peg_c. | March 3, 2016 at 11:15 am

          The answer you seek is found by reversing the order of your two sentence paragraph:

          “Where do you pull this crap about conservatives cant win from?
          Ronald Reagan was the last principled conservative to win a nomination.”

          I disagree with that notion to some degree. It will be very difficult for a “principled conservative ” to win, mainly because some of us might disagree on what is truly conservative and what good principles are.

          gmac124 in reply to peg_c. | March 3, 2016 at 1:21 pm

          “I disagree with that notion to some degree. It will be very difficult for a “principled conservative ” to win, mainly because some of us might disagree on what is truly conservative and what good principles are.”

          My point was that we haven’t had a principled conservative on the general election ballot since Reagan. Be it through the establishment, democrats voting in republican primaries, or any other of a myriad of issues. I am just very tired of people saying oh well we need candidate A because candidate B is too conservative to get elected and then having some squish foisted off on us. Why don’t we try candidate B and find out for once?

          Barry in reply to peg_c. | March 3, 2016 at 3:23 pm

          Your words sound like mine until 2012. While I knew it before, I realized with finality that the republican party would never nominate another conservative. Romney, no more, and probably a lot less, conservative than trump. Neither Bush was a conservative. And let us not forget McCain, a man that was contemplating switching to the D party, or Dole, not a “conservative”. Yes they would all be better than Obama or Hillary. IMO, not by much

          In this election, up until about 2 months ago I was for Cruz. Trump was a distant 2nd choice as a protest candidate, but moving up continually. I knew Cruz was hated by the GOPe. I knew he was a longshot. When I figured out it was impossible I switched to Trump. I believe trump is a lot more conservative in the important things than you do. The important things to me. But then I don’t claim to be a conservative anymore, nor a republican. It’s not that I am not conservative, it is that conservatives in general sold their souls to some ideal that is false. Look at the “free trade” issue. Most of these “conservatives” turn up their nose and belittle anyone that points out that we do not have free trade. We have negotiated deals with a variety of countries, and our deals are terrible. I know, I have, for 30 years, been an exporter. I know the barriers in China. I personally benefit from nafta. But I know it is a bad deal for the common man in this country. One after the other, some of the so called conservative ideals are not so.

          Thus Trump. If you don’t “build a wall” and stop the illegals from pouring in here, it’s done. He’ll get it built. No doubt whatsoever. Sans the elimination of illegals pouring over the border, the conservatives will never be elected again. No chance. So, even if trump isn’t the perfect conservative, and he is not, not even close, he is the only one with a chance to preserve the possibility of conservatism in the future.

    You aren’t pundits so ladies and gentleman I give you some sample nut jobs.

      Ragspierre in reply to Gary Britt. | March 2, 2016 at 10:28 pm

      Oddly enough, you’re the one who believes without eminent domain, the Intercontinental Railroad would not have been built.

      I rest my case…

    I witnessed this go down:

    Erick Erickson @EWErickson prided himself on twitter as the launcher of #NeverTrump and credited @Aaron_RS as the creator.

      Lady Penguin in reply to VotingFemale. | March 3, 2016 at 6:45 am

      Full disclosure. I once was part of the community (not the Frontpage) at RedState, and wrote articles as such. Left them over 5 yrs ago. I know these players, and it’s why I and others are gone from there.

      They’re interested in kingmaking, and if one doesn’t walk in lockstep they deal quite negatively with you. Over the years, I’ve stayed fairly quiet about what went on, and will remain so, but in general, I’ve always thought that a pundit (like EE) preaching, from a sanctimonious soapbox, doesn’t really have that much credibility.

      People can vote as they wish, and I did just that this past Tuesday – for Cruz, proudly. If Trump is the guy in November, I’ll vote for him, because he certainly doesn’t have the past that Hillary Clinton has, and I believe that the GOP-E refuses to see the truth about themselves.

        peg_c in reply to Lady Penguin. | March 3, 2016 at 7:44 am

        I literally lived on RedState until Erick moved to CNN and started the Big Sellout. The site is unreadable now. Hubby still checks it every day to see what insanity Leon Wolf is going on about. I think Ronulans in 2008 deranged RS and its never recovered. Remember that?

    The congregation of the “poorly educated” “loved” by the Rev. DJ Trumph: speaking of morons and nut jobs, Gary, where are your church’s two altar boys – janitor and Barry?

    forksdad in reply to Gary Britt. | March 3, 2016 at 11:17 am

    For the last couple decades, Republicans were told we had to vote for our eventual candidate because this was the most important election ever.

    Now we see that was a lie from the jump. The GOP is simply the other side of the Donkey coin. They would rather keep their position as the stupid side of stupid and evil establishment than see an outsider take the reins. They shoved every lefty Cuckservative at us for decades and now that it comes to a candidate they didn’t anoint they’ll side with the enemy.

    Shows me who my true enemies are. You either stand in line and throw lead downrange or you shoot your own in the back. You either lock shields and face them as a united front or you open a gap and get rolled up and flanked.

    They are now signalling that it’s time to lose. Lose so they can keep their cushy positions, virtue signal to their liberal friends, feel morally superior to the base of their own party. Way. To. Go. Tough to win when you get shot in the back by traitors.

    Never fear. There are enough Americans who are sick of this two party facade that it will change come November. Remember if the elites win this by cheating we’re not going to forgive and forget ever. The establishment sidelined the TEA party with the IRS for two important election cycles. The GOPe were happy to see it happen. If they deliberately throw the election it’ll be time to ‘whig’ the Republican Party. They’ll be a forgotten aberration in fifty years if they cheat us one more time.

I said a long time ago: Trump will be the R nominee and Shrillary will not be the Democrat nominee.

I have to admit that the shrillary prediction (as a prediction) is worrisome, but I don’t think she has put Bernie to bed just yet, and there is always the FBI. 🙂

#NeverTrump and #NeverHillary. It’s so fun to be both!

Anyone else see the news today that Trump is mainly winning open primaries? That and the turnout numbers mean one thing – Trump is winning with Democrat votes that will go to Hillary in the general. Yes, that’s right. All you Trumpkins have been had.

    Ragspierre in reply to Same Same. | March 2, 2016 at 10:32 pm

    “It’s so fun to be both!”

    Indeed! Being clear that you will NEVER vote for EITHER Collectivist thug is very liberating.

    Barry in reply to Same Same. | March 2, 2016 at 10:57 pm

    Don’t drink the kool aid to deeply. I’ve not found exit polling supporting any notion trump is winning based upon D crossover votes. Cruz has wins in 4 states, 3 are closed and one open primary (texas). However, 2 of the 3 Cruz wins in closed states were also caucus states (Iowa, Alaska), so it would be just as obvious to say Cruz does better in caucus states. Rubio won a caucus state that is open (minn). Trump has won one closed state, Nevada, the rest were open.

    J McCain did not win a majority of R’s in any state until super Tuesday.

    tom swift in reply to Same Same. | March 2, 2016 at 11:07 pm

    Don’t get too overheated. Open primaries are the only ones which include “unenrolled” voters (a.k.a. independents). Here in MA, 53% of registered voters are unenrolled.

    In this election Dems aren’t just sitting around looking for ways to mess up the Republican vote; they have their own fish to fry, in the commie vs. corruptocrat contest.

      HandyGandy in reply to tom swift. | March 3, 2016 at 12:58 am

      Plus there tend to be down the ballot contests which draw the attention of voters.

      For example, here in Illinois Democrats have the choice of messing in the Republican primary or voting for a democratic Senator in the primary and a SA ( Chicago ) that took a year and a half to charge a killer cop.

      Plus watching football you learn that announcers can always find some statistic. This QB has never lost a game against a left handed QB on the road in an odd numbered year. You look hard enough you will find something that tells ou what you want.

      peg_c in reply to tom swift. | March 3, 2016 at 7:49 am

      Many of my conservative friends are now officially Independents. I will be after this election. I’m so done with the GOP. The party needs to be burnt to cinders. It’s officially NO different from the Democrats, except Dems are more honest about how evil, nihilistic and Marxist they are.

If there is one thing uniting Americans this political season, it’s rage against the entrenched political class. Given that the insanity bridges both ends of the spectrum, I must say that I enjoyed this piece. And I’ve told my daughter (13) that she’s picked a heck of a year to become politically aware.

I only wish that I had the faintest clue how it all is going to play out.

What’s with the continuing Trayvon Martin ‘baby photo’ of Clinton?

Why re-publish it propaganda?

Please use accurate photos of that corrupt old crow:,+old&prmd=ivns&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiNmu_63KPLAhUK7SYKHRRdDvwQ_AUIBQ

There is a fundamental difference between the two.
#dumpHillary is a movement of voters against an establishment candidate.
#dumpTrump is a movement of establishment people against an outsider.

It would be kind of cool though, if this election this election ended up with four parties: Democratic-left, Democratic-right, Republican-left, Republican-right.

Trumph is like a box of air. You never know what you might find.



buckeyeminuteman | March 3, 2016 at 1:53 pm

Four parties on the November ballot? YES, PLEASE! The Corruption Party, the Socialist Party, the Big-headed Ego Party, and the Constitutional Conservative Party.

I think Hillary is an incompetent, corrupt boob, no pun intended, but there it is. The fact that she and Bill own the Democratic Party to this day is disgusting to any thinking American. Money talks, and remember, it’s tens of millions of dollars from foreigners — Ukraine, Saudi Arabia, UAE, etc., etc. Oh wait, the Clinton Foundation is purely charitable so that’s all right.

I’m a #NeveraDemocrat not just #NeverHillary. I will not even vote for a Dem-wit in a local election. The stink sticks to otherwise ‘innocent’ local Democrats.

It’s not that Republican Party is pure as the driven snow. It’s that the Democrats are so happy to be evil.