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Trump drops out of Fox News debate // Update – Debate canceled

Trump drops out of Fox News debate // Update – Debate canceled

Kasich too unless Trump there – So how about 2 hours free air time for Ted Cruz?

There was supposed to be a Fox News Republican Debate Monday night. That was until Donald Trump did well last night, and decided he didn’t need another debate.

Trump says he didn’t even know about the debate, even though everyone else did, and won’t participate because he is speaking before AIPAC:

Except that as of yesterday his speech was not scheduled for a specific time slot:

Kasich appears to be following suit.

Cruz appears willing to “debate” regardless:

Cruz has started a petition drive against “Ducking Donald

This appears to be part of Trump’s strategy of presuming he gets the nomination with a mere plurality, and he’s not being shy about predicting violence if that doesn’t happen:

Which leaves open — as of this writing — what Fox News will do.

I suggest giving Ted Cruz two hours of free air time.

UPDATE: I guess Fox News didn’t want to follow my advice, though no confirmation from Fox News itself, yet. Maybe they will hold it in-studio:

UPDATE: I guess that Fox News did take my advice, but Cruz didn’t. Baffling.


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Ooops there go the ratings. I put on John Kasich when I absolutely positively need to get to sleep.

    justicewarrior in reply to sequester. | March 16, 2016 at 12:20 pm

    Can Fox get its money back on the C141 Transport Plane used to haul around Kelly’s makeup (and other sundries)?

      beekster in reply to justicewarrior. | March 16, 2016 at 12:42 pm

      I happen to think Megan Kelly is hot, and I always have, but she’s also taking herself too seriously! A lot of people are taking her way too seriously! You do made a good case for that C141 cancellation though! LOL

    practicalconservative in reply to sequester. | March 16, 2016 at 12:32 pm

    This puts Kasich in a bad position. His only path is to get enough delegates to force Trump to make a deal to put him on the ticket as Vice-President. He needs to show Trump he can deliver some States. Now Kelly, Baer and Wallace will try to bait him into attacking Trump. And we will have three hours of this.

I think this is smart. Trump’s already made his case to the voters. After an expected loss in Utah immediately folling the skipped debate, he should cruz to victory.

He has no business being on the same stage as Kasich, who childishly cant win and is only playing a spoiler.

Its time for Trump to start making his case to the donors. They’ll need to get on board to beat Hillary.

He was able to convince Adelson to not go all in anti-Trump, and now its up to him to convince the rest of the Republican donors of the other candidates to make peace or affirmatively support him.

    sidebar in reply to rotten. | March 16, 2016 at 12:27 pm

    Personally, I am all debated out. If you need a debate at this point to help you make up your mind, you may not have a mind.

      herm2416 in reply to sidebar. | March 16, 2016 at 1:54 pm

      Sorry, I just down voted you by mistake!
      I fully agree with you. What have we learned? Not a thing. They are simply yelling fests, purposely designed to be that way. If Fox were to hold a TRUE debate, with substantive questions/answers..and answers that could last more than a sound-bite length, I would tune in. As it is, stop the debates, they serve no purpose right now. This would be #13. If you haven’t learned anything, you either aren’t paying attention, or you have a low capacity for understanding what has already been stated by the candidates.

      snopercod in reply to sidebar. | March 16, 2016 at 5:13 pm

      These endless debates are simply welfare for the networks and cable channels.

    Mark in reply to rotten. | March 16, 2016 at 12:55 pm

    So is this ANOTHER Trump broken promise? As I recall he and his supporters have repeatedly touted that he was self-financed and didn’t want or need donors – which, we were told, meant that he was not beholden to anyone and would do the right thing.

    Now he’s chasing money and yet another selling point is out the window?


      justicewarrior in reply to Mark. | March 16, 2016 at 1:23 pm

      Give it a rest. If you are concerned we can put Ben Carson on the stage for you as a stand in. Carson and Kasich. Together Again. Almost as good as Streisand and Redford.

      Merlin in reply to Mark. | March 16, 2016 at 1:23 pm

      Trump supporters have already explained that Donald does not waffle or walk back anything. All of Donald’s “positions” are simply extreme starting points in a very complex, fluid, and secretive negotiating strategy whose endgame will result in America becoming great and glorious once again. It’s gonna be great! Have you not been paying attention, or what?

      You are confusing what rotten thinks should happen with what is actually happening. Trump has no intention of taking money from donors for his campaign.

      beekster in reply to Mark. | March 16, 2016 at 1:30 pm

      This strategy could have as much to do with denying the competition any more money from those big donors. Trump has a lot more experience at “the deal” then you and I together. Just one more possibility that shouldn’t be overlooked!

      Sammy Finkelman in reply to Mark. | March 16, 2016 at 10:02 pm

      By “making his case to the donors” rotten means that Trump needs to win over with people who would be donors – to his opponents. Not get money for himself.

      The people whom rotten labeled donors are those who would be thr force behind a movement to stop-Trump, and rotten may not even strictly mean donors, except he sees “donors” as the people who can make or break a stop-Trump movement.

      It’s also publications, pundits, party officials and whatnot.

    rotten in reply to rotten. | March 16, 2016 at 1:27 pm

    He’s always said that he will not self fund the Presidential portion of the campaign.

    He’s left it open as to whether this means he will only take public financing and party money, or will actively fundraise for himself.

    But even if he doesn’t raise money for himself, he doesn’t want potentially allied money attacking him.

    Take Big Oil for example. Trump wants the Keystone pipeline and wants to drill and thinks global warming is a hoax. Based of the issues, they ought to be allies. He doesn’t need Big Oil attacking him (like it did in the primaries) because Hillary will take Big Oil money and he woln’t. In an ideal world he could get Big Oil to spend that money on Congressional campaigns, and party infrastructure.

      Mark in reply to rotten. | March 16, 2016 at 2:28 pm

      I imagine if I wait long enough a Trump supporter defending “the Donald” might be factually correct at least as often as a broken clock – but I am still waiting.

      Please provide evidence where he or his campaign spokespeson have “always said” he would be using donor money in the general election?

      In June during his announcement

      “Because I don’t need anybody’s money. It’s nice. I don’t need anybody’s money. I’m using my own money. I’m not using lobbyists, I’m not using donors. I don’t care. I’m really rich.”

      As recently as today he tweeted:

      “Donald J. Trump ✔ ‎@realDonaldTrump
      Remember, I am the only one who is self-funding my campaign. All of the other candidates are bought and paid for by special interests!
      8:21 AM – 8 Mar 2016”

      But the NYTimes a few weeks ago reported…:

      “Mr. Christie …added, “I sense that once we get to a general election campaign, that his posture may become different” given the scope and demands of a national campaign, and “how well-funded Hillary Clinton will be on the other side.”

      A Times reporter was allowed to listen in on the call by one of the participants.

      It was the first time there has been any indication that Mr. Trump might look to raise money in earnest.”

      So on Feb 26, 2016 was the first hint, by Christie, he might change his tune.

      Finally, Trump has repeatedly excoriated other Republicans for taking money from donors, claiming that makes them tools of special interests. But now he is thinking of taking donors (including establishment donors) telling folks they ought to vote for him because of his complete independence?

      I’m sorry, that clock is still not right.

        MaggotAtBroadAndWall in reply to Mark. | March 16, 2016 at 4:38 pm

        The New York Times reported that he is not “self funding”. Through December, his campaign had spent $12.5 million. Over half of that came from supporters. Trump lent the remainder to his campaign.

        His campaign used the $12.5 million for lots of things. For example, the campaign needed to rent office. How fortunate that Trump had some vacant office space to lease to his campaign. For $2.7 million. His campaign decided it needed to rent a 757 jet for the candidate to get around on. Luckily, the campaign knows a guy who owns a 757 jet that has the name “TRUMP” emblazoned on it. So the campaign is renting Donald Trump’s jet from him for another $2 million.

        If Trump fans don’t buy enough overpriced hats, t-shirts and other “Make America Great Again” trinkets to repay the loans, how will the Trump campaign repay them? I’m guessing that if his campaign does not want to default on the note and force Trump to forgive the debt, then he’ll raise money from donors in a general election campaign to repay himself.

          A lot of business owners make personal loans to their companies. If you can rent your own property for a business entity, why wouldn’t you? That just makes good business sense. A lot of campaigns do the same–loan money to the campaign, and then charge exorbitant interest rates and have the campaign funds (donated money) pay them back. Perfectly legal….although, I always think it looks unethical and takes advantage of the money donated by people who think it will go toward signs, outreach, etc.

          Did the New York times also report that campaign finance laws require the campaign to pay rent for all these things. Otherwise they would be illegal corporate contributions.

    Rick in reply to rotten. | March 16, 2016 at 1:47 pm

    Trump claimed he wanted to go 1 on 1 with Cruz. We knew that was a lie. Trump needs to stay away from substance.

      beekster in reply to Rick. | March 16, 2016 at 1:51 pm


      herm2416 in reply to Rick. | March 16, 2016 at 1:56 pm

      Are you forgetting the mailman’s son?

        Rick in reply to herm2416. | March 16, 2016 at 2:48 pm

        No, I am not. That creep is a cipher. The last debate was tough for Trump because it has too much substance. With only 3 on the stage, with Trump in the middle which he likes, it would get even closer to substance, so Trump must bail.

      Rick in reply to Rick. | March 16, 2016 at 4:27 pm

      Lots of thumbs down to the notion of Trump facing Cruz 1 on 1.
      Do you Trump supporters deny that Trump said he wanted to take Cruz on 1 on 1?
      As I recall, the sanction for participating in non GOPe arranged debates was that one so participating would be excluded from future GOPe sponsored primary debates. Now, it appears there will be no future GOPe sponsored primary debates from which to be excluded, so there is no honest reason for Trump now to avoid a 1 on 1 debate with Cruz.
      Say what you will, and down thumb to your hearts’ content: Trump does not want to go 1 on 1 with Cruz in a substantive debate, which is completely understandable: He is chicken-sh*t.

        beekster in reply to Rick. | March 16, 2016 at 4:35 pm

        As if it matters anyway Rick. Trump is the guy in the driver’s seat, and that’s obvious to everyone, except John Kasich and Jeb Bush. Trump and Cruz really aught to put their teams together before the Cleveland convention. The party isn’t going to use Kasich, and they won’t be showing Trump the door either!

      DuraMater in reply to Rick. | March 16, 2016 at 11:19 pm

      So the two intellectual light weights have BOTH decided to cower from the spotlight and avoid what would likely be a substantive debate, given the increased amount of time for more probing questions and follow up.

      With only three candidates on the stage, answers to policy questions would require more than your Pollyanna platitudes and spastic hand waving wouldn’t they, Gov. Kasich? With only three candidates on the stage, answers to policy questions would require more than your repetitious sloganeering, incomplete sentences and easily debunked excuses for the ideological inconsistencies in your recent past, wouldn’t they, Mr. Trump? Indeed, there is a very high probability that for each of you, your less than admirable qualities of character and politics, your shallow understanding of and commitment to the Constitutional underpinnings of this country would be glaringly exposed on national television. So you’ve colluded with one another to run and hide.

      Nothing could scream, “incompetent fraud”, more loudly to the discerning electorate, gentlemen. Hopefully, those who have supported you out of blind rage or mere ignorance will at last have the scales drop from their eyes with this, your act of cowardice and arrogance. Heaven knows, we’ve had far too much of those qualities in elected leaders for far too long already.

      As for the debate organizers at FOX I want to ask , “Will you simply be willing enablers in this petulant and juvenile scheme of the two least qualified candidates?” Will FOX News ban future appearances of Donald Trump after snubbing the American people or will you continue to contribute in kind campaign donations of free air time on your network?

I don’t know why people are suggesting Trump hasn’t been confirmed as a speaker at the next AIPAC Conference next week. His name has been on the confirmed speaker list since March 13th! I happen to agree with many others that yet another Republican debate is just too much. In fact I think the debate schedule should’ve been trimmed down significantly! Enough already with the debates! If you don’t know these candidates by now, then it’s time you went back to sleep anyway!

    Mark in reply to beekster. | March 16, 2016 at 12:58 pm

    Sorry, that dog don’t hunt. The debates were useless when there were 8 to 10 people on stage. Now that there are only two serious (and one spoiler) in the race they are more appropriate than ever.

    Of course, Trump also knows that with so much attention in a one on one with Cruz, he is likely to be on the losing side … so naturally he is dodging.

      beekster in reply to Mark. | March 16, 2016 at 1:19 pm

      I wouldn’t be so sure about writing Trump off so easily. He’s surprised us all for many months now, and I’d be willing to place my bet on him for the stretch. That’s not to say that Ted Cruz wouldn’t make one helluva President!

Seems fairly sensible to me. The debates are for the voters – not to give networks viewers. There have been enough.

Well, I’m full. I have had enough turkey, and duck, too.

How about a rain check, Mr. Turkey?

Is there any mutual benefit left for Fox and Trump? Seems as though there aren’t a whole lot of ambivalent Republican voters left to influence one way or the other. After yesterday his supporters are polishing up the crown. His detractors are trying to control their dry heaves.


What is this thing you people are calling Fox News? 🙂

I haven’t watched Fox for years upon years and I’m a lifelong Republican. The morning show isn’t just dogs and ponies (LITERALLY) but kids who call 911 and save kittens. News? Hah! I gave up on O’Reilly before the new millennium and Megan Kelly, well, I’m busy with HGTV at that hour anyway.

I surely can’t disagree with you and your O’Reilly smack. He’s really changed from the guy he was several years ago. The morning show has been on it’s way down the road for some time now too. FOX was my news channel too, years ago!

    beekster: Kilmeade was quoted the other day saying since the arrival of Ainsley in the morning, F&F’s ratings have gone up 30%. I’m guessing that was from -75%. It’s the worst morning show out there and what’s a shame is that the hosts are smart – it’s that they seem to be allergic to reporting actual NEWS. Go figure.

It’s almost time for Cruz to drop out.

He almost mathematically cant win (he needs 76% of remaining delagates to get there). He’s getting close to the point where he mathematically can’t beat Trump. He had another string of third place finishes on Tuesday, plus a statistical tie in Missouri.

The Republican party usually nominates the previous cycle’s runner up. That means Cruz is well positioned for 2020.

By then Cruz should have a real record of accomplishment in the Senate too (not just reading Green Eggs & Ham to delay a bill for one day).

But, if he stays in the race and the public starts skeptically looking at him… he’s run an embarrassing campaign full of gaffes.

Have you seen his pro-Hitler Ad? At least I think it’s a pro hitler ad because the inspiring music comes on whenever Hitler talks.

Have you seen all the videos linked by drudge of the Evangelical laying on hands? The videos of his dad preaching?

Do people realize that he lead a rally only a few weeks ago where the preacher who appeared with called for the execution of homosexuals right before Cruz took the stage?

Cruz is young, doesn’t have much of a record, and will not stand to strict scrutiny.

Ted, we need you back in the Senate to stop this latest S.Ct nomination! (None of us trust Orrin Hatch). It’s time to do what is right and to start playing the long game.

    Ragspierre in reply to rotten. | March 16, 2016 at 1:44 pm

    Haven’t YOU seen the video of Donald Ducks getting a laying on of hands?

    AND all his religious bigotry…???

    He’s a disgusting, lying Collectivist thug. As are his cultists.

      beekster in reply to Ragspierre. | March 16, 2016 at 1:50 pm

      As yet I still can’t see into a man’s heart, so I’ll reserve all comment until then.

        So out of curiosity, beekster, while you’re refusing to “see into another’s heart” . . . do you also think that Obama, Hillary, Bernie, and that ilk deserve such pious reservation of judgement? Or do you have a different measure for those you don’t support?


          beekster in reply to Fuzzy Slippers. | March 16, 2016 at 7:40 pm

          Throwing stones in a glass house is going to hurt me a lot more then anyone else. The spiteful things that Obama says would be just as wrong if they were coming out of my own mouth, or your own. I certainly cant excuse him of his ignorance or lack of responsibility to his job and the people he’s responsible for… things that have broken so many lives. I won’t attack him personally either. He’s wronged a great many people, but he does so out of a lack of compassion and a stubborn black heart. This doesn’t mean he’s less of a man then I am. He still has a soul just as do you or I. Maybe one day he’ll have a change of heart and become truly sorry for his ignorance. Who am I to judge him?

          Ragspierre in reply to Fuzzy Slippers. | March 16, 2016 at 8:01 pm

          Which makes this trolling comedy GOLD…!!!

          “You’re a sad excuse for a human being Rags.

          You have a hard heart Ragsie. With all of your BS I have yet to hear you share anything of real value. You go on and pretend people care to listen to a loudmouth who only cares about himself, and you’ll find in short time you don’t have anyone at all who’s interested in listening to you!”

          You don’t need to look into Clinton’s heart – she doesn’t have one. Rather, follow her head, if you don’t mind taking a trip up her ass.

That was until Donald Trump did well last night, and decided he didn’t need another debate.

Perhaps more accurate to say that Trump realizes that he doesn’t need Fox (at least at the moment). And he’s probably right.

    beekster in reply to tom swift. | March 16, 2016 at 1:36 pm

    Trump will not say good bye to FOX. It just won’t happen. They’re the biggest bull in the ring, and he know’s that!

impeach obama | March 16, 2016 at 1:29 pm

So the consensus of the Trump supporters here is if you won’t show my guy in a good light, we don’t want to play – what a bunch of sophomoric wusses, Vote for your Sieg Heil leader and watch our once proud democracy sink into a 3rd world pest hole.

    Still Smarting from the Yuuge ass whipping put on Cruz last night I see.

    beekster in reply to impeach obama. | March 16, 2016 at 1:44 pm

    I can’t believe how far off the mark you really are? I’m not a consensus voter, so don’t try and pin that label on me. As for the rest of those folks who are standing with Trump I doubt you’ll find any one of them that haven’t thought long and hard about what they’re planning on doing with their votes. You can disagree with them but calling them out because you don’t agree with them certainly is sophomoric!

    Ragspierre in reply to impeach obama. | March 16, 2016 at 1:48 pm

    Donald Ducks is…in his own parlance…a pussy.

    Narcissists are, deep down, extremely insecure. That’s why they see people as wonderful or terrible, all depending on how those people react to them.

    Ask Ivana Trump.

      beekster in reply to Ragspierre. | March 16, 2016 at 1:54 pm

      I don’t know Ivana Trump, but I do know how most ex’s like to talk about each other… especially the one’s that’ve been left behind. I think I’ll pass on this one.

The derelicts of the world like Kim and Putin are going to have a field day if he’s ever President.

What a coward.

But his sycophants will see this as the best strategic move since Cannae.

    beekster in reply to Kondor77. | March 16, 2016 at 1:47 pm

    Isn’t that 1st amendment a great thing!

    Kondor77 in reply to Kondor77. | March 16, 2016 at 1:52 pm

    It sure is! I would really hate it if someone with more wealth than me could sue me for libel if I decided to call him un-American for liking rock hard steaks.

      beekster in reply to Kondor77. | March 16, 2016 at 2:01 pm

      You might just want to be careful about that “rock hard steak” thing, whatever that is. I try to stay out of the tall weeds though. Talking smack about other people is a poor witness anyway, and I certainly don’t need that! I’m the furthest thing from the perfect man.

impeach obama | March 16, 2016 at 1:34 pm

As far as i am concerned of trump or kasich don’t have the beitzim to debate, they should forfeit their right to be the stupid party nominee.

Cruz has absolutely no path to the nomination. He is too in love with himself to do the right thing and drop out. He is in it now SOLELY to try and force a brokered convention with the hope that the GOPe will hand Cruz A MEMBER OF THE ESTABLISHMENT HIMSELF the nomination.

If Cruz were smart, which he isn’t, he would make nice with Trump and beg for a VP slot. Instead however he will overplay his hand all the way to the convention and then sell out what he preaches as “his” values and the values of the people who have bought his LIES that he is an outsider not part of the GOPe and get on his knees and beg McConnell, Boehner, Ryan, Mitt and Bush to PLEASE take him back.

He’s already sold out completely on the 1st amendment and being a constitutional conservative. Cruz will sell out anything and everything to try and gain personal power.

    Kondor77 in reply to Gary Britt. | March 16, 2016 at 1:46 pm

    “He is too in love with himself to do the right thing and drop out.”

    Takes a lot of chutzpah for a Trump supporter/admirer/follower to utter those words about another candidate.

      Heh, that’s exactly what I was thinking, Kondor! What’s funny is that Trump fans actually believe their messiah has any interest in them whatsoever. Trump is and will always be more comfortable with Hillary and Bill than he would ever be with the feverish masses to whom he throws scraps of red meat (with the sole intention of firing up support and loyalty:

      Trump sees his loyal following much as Obama does his: from a regal throne of contempt and disgust. Neither Obama’s traitorous hordes not Trump’s delusional fans get that, though. Something else Trump and Obama have in common.

        beekster in reply to Fuzzy Slippers. | March 16, 2016 at 8:28 pm

        I’m not sure that all Trump supporters are foolish enough to think Donald Trump is anything like a messiah. I certainly don’t, but I surely know that he’s not the racist that Mr. Obama is. I know he’s going to challenge border jumping and the movement of terrorists who are now able to wander back and forth over our northern and southern borders as easily as if they carried dual citizenship. I really believe he wants to see as many Americans working as is possible, and if that means putting our coal-fired power plants back online I believe he’ll try to orchestrate a solution to that. I’m sick and tired of living in this continued recession while a White House controlled media tries to sell us on the falling unemployment rate and the increasingly robust economy… neither of which is true. There are so many social problems, fiscal problems, so many many issues that need to be addressed and I think he’ll do a much better job of this then the way they’ve been addressed over the past several years. We have a uniquely classless man sitting in the Oval Office today. He’s very thinned-skinned, race-conscious to an extreme, and he does some of the most foolish things in order to make himself heard. His lavish dinners and continual entertainment at the White House during times of struggle that have become a real touchy subject for a great many people, and he knows all of this! The way he chose to micro-manage a meeting between a local police department and a Black man who was mistaken for a burglar was one of the stupidest things he had done. He felt it was necessarily his job to insist this police department be shown in deference to the man they mistook for someone he was not, but that it be done very publicly, before the whole country, and with no consideration at all the the difficulty law enforcement has in this country just doing their job. Make no mistake about his intentions, as this was a line drawn in the sand. This one act alone set the tone for the part his administration would take in the dissolution of decades of work that had been put into bringing our minority communities into a place where we could at least talk with each other in terms of moving in a forward and unifying direction. For whatever that was worth, it’s all gone now, and not without several burned out inner city neighborhoods and businesses, and the ongoing assassinations of policemen all over the country! I could continue this for another hour but I’ve made my point. As much as we’d all like to know more about Mr. Trump, there are many things we do know, and changing what has come to be known as the new normal under Barack Obama is job number one in my book.

        Proving yet again you know absolutely nothing about Trump, his personality, or his supporters.

    Ragspierre in reply to Gary Britt. | March 16, 2016 at 2:08 pm

    Of course, you just come here to publish lies, as you always do.

    Cruz never donated to KEEP Dirty Filthy Harry Reid in the Senate.

    Cruz never donated to KEEP Chuck YOU! Schumer in the Senate.

    Cruz never imported foreign workers to work on jobs Americans were applying for.

    I could go on…

    Cruz is the real deal. Donald Ducks is a fraud.

      beekster in reply to Ragspierre. | March 16, 2016 at 2:20 pm

      Have you ever considered talking to someone about this anxiety that you’re expressing? There is so much hate and vitriol in your posts that I can visualize the veins popping in and out on your forehead. I’m not trying to tease you into a shouting match, but take a look at how you’ve responded to the people on this page, and try and be objective… seriously! You’ve gone way past a simple conversation.

      practicalconservative in reply to Ragspierre. | March 16, 2016 at 3:23 pm

      I wonder if Trump ever out-witted Rags in a deal? Perhaps that’s the bitterness. Nah, I think Trump would leave him to building security.

      Cruz ran on all those bullshit talking points Rags, and the voters listened and then went to the Polls and VOTED FOR TRUMP and against Cruz.

      If all you got is to keep singing these same old tired songs that are continually rejected by the VOTERS then you and your boy Cruz have got NOTHING.

        Ragspierre in reply to Gary Britt. | March 16, 2016 at 5:01 pm

        More lies, along with a resort to popular opinion fallacy.

        Typical Gaghdad Bob.


          Rags, pssst – in a democracy the popular opinion of voters is NOT a fallacy. Its called MAJORITY RULE.

          beekster in reply to Ragspierre. | March 16, 2016 at 5:27 pm

          Fallacy? You went to public school, didn’t you?

          Ragspierre in reply to Ragspierre. | March 16, 2016 at 5:41 pm

          But, you lying SOS, it does not determine what is true and what is not.

          Those are not “talking points”, liar.

          Those are history.

          Ragspierre in reply to Ragspierre. | March 16, 2016 at 5:44 pm

          beekster, you’ve identified yourself as another T-rump troll.

          You’re the kind I call ‘the soft-mouth troll’. You come here pretending to have an open mind.

          That’s been demonstrated a lie.

          beekster in reply to Ragspierre. | March 16, 2016 at 6:48 pm

          You’re a sad excuse for a human being Rags. You can’t have a conversation with anyone unless you’re standing on top of the pile. You believe your’s is the only opinion that counts, and when people aren’t buying the trash you’re selling you start running that nasty mouth of yours, as if anyone cares to listen to people who can’t put two words together without tearing someone else down. It’s a small mind that can’t accept what others value without telling them it doesn’t count. You have a hard heart Ragsie. With all of your BS I have yet to hear you share anything of real value. You go on and pretend people care to listen to a loudmouth who only cares about himself, and you’ll find in short time you don’t have anyone at all who’s interested in listening to you!

          So, beekster, what part of this outrageous (and grammatically horrifying) post was not about “tearing someone else down”? And what part of it wasn’t “nasty”?

          Again #JustCurious

          Ragspierre in reply to Ragspierre. | March 16, 2016 at 7:04 pm

          Projection and self-parody.

          Well, you are outed, troll. Been fun!


          Common Sense in reply to Ragspierre. | March 17, 2016 at 10:17 am

          beekster…. Home tun with your comments!

        I am sure you will be singing the same tune when the Democratic nominee “gets the votes” and rejects Trumps same old points?

        Then Trump has got nothing…

    So now it is the Trump supporters who want a coronation.

      beekster in reply to Rick. | March 16, 2016 at 5:14 pm

      Coronation not necessary. He’s all but run the table. There’s no one who can best him, and everyone knows it, except the Republican fat cats who still think they own every Republican vote out here! They’re going to lose big!

      Fighting and winning against 16 other candidates, the entire GOPe and party apparatus and 200 to 300 million in anti-trump pac support and negative ads is hardly a coronation. Its called WINNING !!

      Face it Trump has tiger blood !!

    PhillyGuy in reply to Gary Britt. | March 16, 2016 at 10:55 pm

    Cruz bombed in Ohio and Florida. You can’t win the presidency like that.

As for the debate. Trump has been saying for at least a week that he knew nothing about the debate and likely would not attend.

The fact that Kasich won’t attend without Trump shows clearly his plan was solely to try and slime Trump. We already know that both Cruz and the Fox News crew’s entire purpose would be to slime Trump.

Trump is a leader and recognizes they need him more than he needs them. Gave them the big middle finger as he should have. The last fox debate was the worst debate ever with such biased questioning and attacks on Trump. The CNN debate held after the Fox slime fest was a very good debate and showed what happens when the debate moderators aren’t dedicated to slimming just one candidate.

    Kondor77 in reply to Gary Britt. | March 16, 2016 at 1:49 pm

    Did he know “nothing” the first time he was asked about it? Or the fifth time? That piper tune must be irresistible.

    Lady Penguin in reply to Gary Britt. | March 16, 2016 at 3:30 pm

    I’ve known for at least a week that Trump was speaking at the AIPAC conference. Hillary is too for that matter, so the debate FOX decided to drop on the candidates is either an inadvertent error on conflicting dates, or deliberate. But the AIPAC conference has been confirmed for longer than this out of nowhere FOX debate came from.

    That said, I don’t think any more debates are needed. Let the candidates stand on their own. Anything from FOX is ethically challenged. Their hatred is 24/7 with almost every commentator, “journalist” and contributor finding a way to bash Trump. Since they’re in the tank for whatever shenanigans the GOP-E can pull off, anyone who at least wants a “fair fight” should abandon them.


No more debates? No more post debate online polls? No more insipid debates over the winner?

So far Trump has done us most good then the present guy in the White House.

At least what he says doesn’t have to be fact checked… and I’ll bet we’ll be seeing every grade from every class of every school he went to! They’ll also do a thorough history of ex-girlfriends and ex-wives too!The MSM did an extremely poor job of vetting this “present occupant” and only because he was a Democrat, but we can be certain that we’ll even have a summary of his last sigmoidoscopy and his PSA count as well. One thing the MSM in this country absolutely hates is the thought of a Republican in the White House, no matter how far off the reservation the guy is!

American Human | March 16, 2016 at 2:47 pm

I have no problem with all debates forever being cancelled.
After all, they are not debates, they are sound-bite analysis. Let the candidates ask each other substantive policy questions and go back and forth to contrast themselves.
I don’t care about anyone hand size or what they said to this person or that person. I don’t care who punched whom at anyone’s campaign rally, I don’t care about what anyone’s father did for a living. It doesn’t make a lick of difference to me if someone’s father was a dog catcher, a rocket scientist, a truck driver, or an engineer.
So good riddance to the debates.
Presidential debates will be worse because whatever liberal “moderator” will not be a moderator at all re: Candy Crowley. The RNC will probably allow NBC to use George Snuffleupagas as the moderator.
Sorry, bitter fatalism is setting in.

    beekster in reply to American Human. | March 16, 2016 at 3:03 pm

    I agree American. It becomes more of a bloodletting then a debate. Moderators don’t care about substance… the want to start these people fighting with one another, which is a home run for them. Then they get to opine on all of the “soft spots” they were able to uncover. There are also the requisite “atta boy’s” from their cronies, wherever they may be. This happens every four years, and I’m sick of it. That doesn’t mean there aren’t a large group of people who really enjoy the show… and these are usually the one’s who continue to say, “well, I just haven’t made up ,my mind yet, but I’m getting closer!” Where in God’s name do they find these whackos?

    Lady Penguin in reply to American Human. | March 16, 2016 at 3:35 pm

    Agree. The debates have been nothing more than vehicles for the malignant media to interfere with and control our free and fair elections. When you have an inquisition and encouraged attacks on the candidates then we have nothing more than a paid enemy trying to take down our candidates…this isn’t just about Trump.

Two hours of Cruz will be terrible. It will consist of Cruz taking Trump’s ideas as his own, bashing Trump, then lying about what Trump has said. I get that enough from the main stream media.

American Human | March 16, 2016 at 2:49 pm

And…I suspect Megyn Kelly is mad and disappointed she can’t pretend to be smart on TV in front of millions. She should stick to the model photos.

Trump’s latest campaign vid is 10/10 trolling comedy gold.

I suspect that he is just letting his campaign staff have fun. It shows! Note to Mitt Romney, who thinks the war on women is conservative now, this is how you do a campaign ad!

Well there was this comment some time ago: In private conversations, Trump and his aides have acknowledged that the Republican Party will need to be well-funded for the general election, and that Trump will work with the party to ensure that’s the case.
Their message is “basically we’re going to be a traditional party candidate,” as far as fundraising is concerned, the source said.

This sound’s to me like the same thing we just heard from him. He’s always planned to self-fund his campaign… at least the campaign for the nomination. I think he could probably pull off the whole enchilada, but what an expense! Of course I don’t know his finances, but we’re talking lots of bucks!

This is the kind of thing that we’d all like to see more of… from anybody! It sure as hell beats another debate!

Sarah Palin spent 7 years speaking about the necessary and healthy need for debate between political candidates.

She is supporting the candidate who has twice dropped out of debating.

Sarah Palin must be feeling like an idiot or a liar; everything she spoke against for 7 years are the very things she now supports.

Donald Trump, worst thing ever to happen to Sarah’s legacy. As well as Andrew Breitbart.

All the Trump supporters better figure out how to get Constitutional Conservative voters like me to vote for Trump.

Telling me that Hillary is worse won’t work. I have been voting for the lesser of two evils for the last two decades only to watch the Constitution shredded year after year.

    Supreme Court; 3 or 4 nominees. Nuff said.

    beekster in reply to syn. | March 16, 2016 at 5:32 pm

    Oh we’ve had plenty of debating syn. I pretty sure Sarah Palin would be the first person to suggest that non-stop debating, if you want to call what we’ve been seeing debates, has no value! If people don’t know these candidates by now… they’ll NEVER know them! Maybe Frank Luntz can do something with them. He’s the only guy in the world who can find undecided voters the day before an election!

The media 0, Trump 14 and counting. They can not help themselves, they play right into his hands. Nobody wants Kasich who has deluded himself into thinking he is important. Campaign expert advisors helped Trump by telling Cruz and Rubio to attack Trump on protesters at his rallies. Hoist on their own petard comes to my mind.

At least I got a laugh out of this.

Maybe when the RNC stops smearing and lobbying against its frontrunner, it can be excused that it thinks it can order candidates to be here and there in dog-and-pony shows for other people’s commercial gain.

Trump is a leader. Leaders don’t let themselves get bossed around by nitwits who deny having any reciprocal obligations on their own part.

Those ” Debates ” were on the level of WWF Wrestling matches, or cage fights.
I’ve yet to see anything I would call a debate.
The only thing that surprises me is that they ALL didn’t quit them after they knew what was going on.

I remember the debates between Nixon & Ford, JFK & Johnson, where these candidates were respectful of each other while at the same time disagreeing in substance. You could see a difference without all the theatrics. I believe civility has to be recognized as the better part of a mans character. The way things are done now is nothing short of animalistic. Unfortunately this is the garbage that people have come to expect. Many posters on this site behave like children instead of adults. Name calling is how too many people think they win arguments. This is the sort of thing that used to be left behind in grade school, though the level to which public education has dropped in this country is all but irretrievable. It’s really sad to witness this devolution among grownups and their inability to argue with any sense authority… though I do see some posting here that may very well not fit the description of “grownup” which would explain quite a lot. It’s difficult to know these days.

Sammy Finkelman | March 17, 2016 at 9:56 am


I remember the debates between Nixon & Ford, JFK & Johnson,

I think you mean the debates between Nixon and Kennedy in 1960, and the debates between Ford and Carter in 1976. Lyndon Baines Johnson participated in no debates. There were no debates between 1960 and 1976. I think you are just using generalities (famous names and a time period).

In 196o, the Equal Time rule was suspended especially for the debates. In 1976 they were sponsored by the League of Women Voters – sponsorship later switched to the two major political parties, and starting with the 1980 election, they also had later they also had primary debates. They don’t always have them – a candidate might not agree.

But there are now, almost invariably, debates in state elections, except for when a major candidate refuses to debate or makes impossible conditions, as both Mario and Andrew Cuomo have done in New York State. Debates are often a condition for receiving campaign matching funds, which exist in a lot of places.

But we’ve had general election debates in every presidential election since 1976. In 1980, Carter would not agree to include John Anderson, and there was a Reagan-Anderson debate and a Reagan-Carter debate one week before the election.

I am not sure you actually remember the Nixon-Kennedy debate, although you surely remember reading about them – but there was an LP record made of them, and I heard some of it around 1980. It kind of surprised me what they were arguing about. Issues sometimes die pretty quickly.

None of the “debates” were like the Lincoln-Douglas debates in Illinois, in 1858, and it is said they are really joint press conferences, at least the ones where you have panelists from different news organizations.

Can you blame him?
He doesn’t need the grief.
Megyn Kelly has shown herself to be a narcissistic attention hound instead of an unbiased reporter.
She damaged herself and Fox news.
It’s surprising she still there.

I don’t know if there is a current statistic showing how many Cruz supporters choose Trump as their second choice, but I don’t see Cruz getting out any time soon, even though he has a difficult path. The debate would only benefit Cruz, not Trump, so why would he do it if there is no advantage?

I understand the concern expressed here about Trump’s shakiness as a candidate. Maybe I missed the discussion, but do you realize that the liberals/progressives are fanatic in their hatred of Trump? There is always a concerted, well-financed effort to keep a Republican (I use term because Trump is running as a Republican) out of the White House. With Trump, they have gone completely ballistic. They must truly believe he is going to build that wall and use his presidential powers, should he be elected, to keep out Muslims. They certainly don’t care if he made some positive comments about Planned Parenthood. If he were supporting their agenda, their response would not be so intense. They see that Trump’s support is coming from all kinds of directions and it is not the Republican Establishment.

At this point Cruz is going to lose.
funny thing is… that voters might have flocked to Ted Cruz/GOP establishment canidate had he done something about 0bamacare. …and ya can’t say you weren’t warned to do just that months if not years ago.

…here’s how you could of accomplished it fairly easily…
Remember the bill for the funding of planned parenthood.
….attach a full repeal of 0bamacare to it – then let the Democrats choose between one or the other.

….it would of been win/win for the GOP… because no matter if the bill passes, or fails… either planned parenthood is defunded (something I assure you the left could not allow) or 0bamacare gets repealed…

….the democrats ultimately lose in either scenario.
oh… and Ted Cruz would of been able to run on that he pulled off a feat no one could of accomplished. …and would of likely gotten voters behind him.

but now… well… I think most people can see Cruz can’t win. …unless of course he alters his direction, and does something along the above. *l* …which I doubt he will.

msnbc just realized every time they attack trump… his ratings/numbers increase. so leftards are now in a state of panic over Trump …they wouldn’t be in such a state of extreme panic… if Trump was as liberal as the GOP says.

they fear him because he is one of those few candidates where the left’s rhetoric won’t work on him as it causes voters to turn against the left/media even more when they try it.