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In Florida, Trump and Clinton Have a Likability Problem

In Florida, Trump and Clinton Have a Likability Problem

“I just think that none of the– either party doesn’t deserve my vote.”

Both Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump won Florida’s primary elections Tuesday. But if focus groups are an indicator, many a Florida voter are unhappy with their choices this election cycle.

CBS News reports:

Clinton and Trump share the distinction of being among the least-liked candidates.

“I would rather not vote than vote for either one of these candidates,” one woman told CBS News contributor and Republican strategist Frank Luntz, who led the group at the Orlando Public Library. “And it pains me to say that, because I feel it’s my right as a member of this democratic society to be able to vote. But given those two candidates, I can’t vote for either one of them.”

“Why none of the above?” Luntz asked.

“I just think that none of the– either party doesn’t deserve my vote. They’re not giving me what I feel we need as a country,” another woman explained. “So why give the support to someone who’s not gonna do what I need them to do for me and my family?”

“I don’t believe Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton really care about the American people. I don’t trust either of them. I don’t think they are presidential,” one man said.

“Who’s mad as hell?” Luntz asked the focus group. Multiple people responded affirmatively.

“But I’m mad at the voters,” a woman said. “I’m not mad at the candidates. People are voting for them. And I’m angry for people that settle for sound bites for their information.”

Others in the group agreed.

If polling data is accurate, the unfavorability issue isn’t limited to Florida.

ABC News reported more voters dislike Trump and Hillary than like either.

In one basic gauge, just 30 percent of Americans express a favorable opinion of Trump, while 67 percent see him unfavorably, up 8 points since November and near the peak, 71 percent last spring. Many, 56 percent, see him “strongly” unfavorably, a new high. Both of these reflect remarkable levels of unpopularity for a major domestic political figure.

Clinton, by contrast, is seen unfavorably by 52 percent and strongly so by 41 percent, each 15 points less than Trump’s ratings in this poll, produced for ABC by Langer Research Associates.

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This election won’t be about “the lesser of two evils” or “the evil of two lesser”, but rather just plain EVIL.

    Lady Penguin in reply to Neo. | March 18, 2016 at 7:11 pm

    It’s shocking to me that anyone from our side speaks of Trump as Evil. Sanctimonious prigs and all that. Evil is what has taken over this country, 60-70+yrs of Leftism. Losing perspective keeps us from fighting the real enemy.

    If one can’t decide that letting a person who belongs in prison is evil vs any of our folks, then a lot more is lost than I thought…

      Hi LP, I hate to be the bearer of bad tidings, but Trump has been intricately involved in what has happened in this country over the past several decades (not 70, obviously! 🙂 ). He’s up to his ears in George Soros, Democrat policy and politicians, and progressive ideals such as the health care mandate (he’s loved that since Teddy wanted it in the ’90s), massive entitlements to everyone under the sun with no restrictions or requirements, and the leftist approach to foreign policy. He loved Hillary’s Russian “reset,” and was saying until last year that she was a wunnerful Secretary of State and did a marvelous job. He is part of the problem and has been for decades.

      We sanctimonious prigs who think he’s, if not evil, then at least incredibly dangerous have good reason for believing so. What are your good reasons for believing he will be good for this country? What, exactly, do you imagine he will do? Keep in mind before you answer that he’s already said the wall is “negotiable,” illegals being deported is sort of not going to happen as you think (Google “Trump’s touchback amnesty”), that his promise to surround himself with people who know what he does not (a yuge category in its own right) has been dispelled because he’s said he consults with himself on foreign policy (he literally said he consults with himself!), will be “neutral” with regard to Israel, and will expect the nation’s military to carry out his unlawful orders. Jobs? Well, look at the Trump factories in foreign countries; heck, his “Make America great again” gear is made in freaking China. His companies hire immigrants over Americans when they are based here. Do you believe his actions or his words?

      Anyway, I get all side-tracked. 🙂 Tell me, please, what is that you think Trump will do once in office (that he hasn’t already said he won’t do)?

        JimMtnViewCaUSA in reply to Fuzzy Slippers. | March 18, 2016 at 7:34 pm

        If Trump is elected he will be opposed tooth and nail by the Dems, the media, gov’t workers and Rags. Plus, he is inexperienced in how to get things done.
        If Hillary gets elected all those groups willingly push and extend her agenda. Except Rags.
        This is a no brainer unless you are Too Noble To Vote.
        I’m not. I voted twice for W, for Dole, McCain and Mitt despite their manifest weaknesses.

          Heh. Weird how you say he’s not experienced in getting things done; I thought that was one of his few remaining favorable qualities amongst Trump fans.

          JimMtnViewCaUSA in reply to JimMtnViewCaUSA. | March 19, 2016 at 1:15 am

          I’m not a Trump fan.
          So I don’t have to follow any particular narrative. Still, anyone who looks at Trump and Hillary and sees no difference is frighteningly stupid.

        Lady Penguin in reply to Fuzzy Slippers. | March 19, 2016 at 12:51 am

        You always lay out good points. I think for me, in the General Election, that I’m willing to roll the dice with Mr. Trump. Having a repeat of the Establishment GOP continuing in power is not an option, not anymore.

        Romney’s vitriolic hate speech toward Donald made me realize how much he had been conning the people in 2012 (he and Paul Ryan). I It was eerie, but I wrote about Romney during the primaries in 2012, “Mitt Romney, the Democrat in Republican Trojan Horse.”

        But then, I wrote this during the General election campaign:
        having fallen for the ‘pretty’ political speeches and the campaign conservative messaging – which the likes of McConnell engage in, and then we see how that turns out.

        Now, we’re just not so willing to buy into what the GOP-E and the so-called Establishment Conservatives are pushing. We don’t need our “betters” controlling, messaging or telling us who to vote for. And as I said, Trump isn’t Evil, he’s imperfect, but that’s not a crime. Believing that a corrupt politician like Hillary or the other Dems should have the helm is beyond what makes any common sense.

        Erick Erickson once touted at RedState (yes, I know him) that he wanted the conservative movement to “blow stuff up” in the political power structure. That didn’t happen because his idea of the power structure is just that people like him and his crew want to be in-charge.

        Anyway, I’m rambling, but as I’ve previously said, I think there could be an alliance of Trump/Cruz, and I think as they are both outsiders to the status quo, both equally hated, there must be something that is right about their candidacies.

          Hey LP, it’s me, bearer of bad tidings again. 🙂 I share your distaste for campaign conservatives, but if anyone ever fit that definition, it’s Donald Trump.

          He’s been everything under the sun, including a proud progressive democrat, and he keeps on telling us what he won’t do (in terms of the wall being negotiable and all the other points I made above), the things he now demures on are the very things that got him support in the first place. But no one seems to hear him. It’s bizarre, especially after this same phenomenon was so roundly criticized when Obama was the subject of the deaf, dumb, and blindness.

          Trump’s not even a conservative; he doesn’t even bother to pretend he is one anymore. The few times he’s tried to sound like “one of us,” he’s made a laughingstock of himself (remember him misquoting the Bible at Liberty University?; how about when he declares he will override the Constitution to deprive Americans of First, Second, Fourth Amendment rights . . . if he thinks it’s necessary; how about his lack of understanding about the Tenth Amendment? He keeps saying that he’ll do things at the federal level that are currently–and Constitutionally–under the purview of the states; I could go on and on. And on.).

          I’m not sure which Trump you think you are voting for, but no matter what he says or does upon becoming president, he has, at some point, supported that. Mandates? Suppressing speech (either about Muslims or “horrible” opinions in the press he doesn’t agree with)? Making treaties that he doesn’t believe need to be approved by Congress (again, the man is totally clueless about the Constitution and the three branches of government)? Support for late-term abortion (this is essentially infanticide)? Calling for boycotts of businesses he doesn’t agree with? (on that note, if you think that Obama has been vindictive and heavy-handed in his weaponization of government agencies, you haven’t seen anything yet; Trump is a small, petty man with a record of retaliation against his “enemies.”) Again, I could go on and on. Gambling on him never again changing his mind (if he’s even changed it now and is not simply misrepresenting his true views) is a huge gamble. One that I’m surprised anyone with a brain or even an ounce of conservative values would take.

          My goodness, if you had a friend or significant other who changed his or her mind about so many things that are truly foundational to one’s core values and principles as often as Trump, you’d drop them like a hot potato (at least I would, but I’m picky about the people in my life).

          Trump is playing the same playbook he tried in 2012 (remember all the tweets and threats to sue over Obama’s birth certificate?), and he thinks “his” base is composed of “rightwing crazies” who are “stupid people” that he can lead by the nose. So far, he’s got that part right, at least.

          Lady Penguin in reply to Lady Penguin. | March 19, 2016 at 2:21 pm

          Hi, Fuzzy. Actually, Trump is not a conservative, not in the sense that I suspect most of us at LI are. But he is a Nationalist/Populist and a patriot, and those are the reasons why I can support him if he gets the nod.

          Our type of conservatism can’t win when the Republican Establishment and the Establishment “conservatives” keep the Left in power. And that’s all I’ve seen going on.

          He is a caudillo, in the Latin-American “strongman” sense.

          Donald Trump is something new to the American political landscape. But to many in Latin America he is—stylistically, at least—a far more familiar figure: the caudillo, or authoritarian populist.

          Like Mr. Trump, Latin American caudillos recognize and exploit real grievances in their countries. They confront an ossified political establishment, develop a strong bond with their followers and attack their opponents and the media with no holds barred—sometimes even encouraging violence.

          All populists—of the left and the right—tell narratives that place the blame for the people’s troubles on others and free the people from responsibility, says Moisés Naim, a former Venezuelan cabinet minister.

          For many Latin American populists, the poor are victimized by big business and corrupt politicians working with the “empire,” meaning the U.S. For Mr. Trump, America’s working class is bedeviled by immigrants and an inept leadership that gets suckered by savvy Chinese and Mexican governments into enacting lopsided trade deals.


          All good politicians try to connect with large numbers of citizens, but in the case of caudillos, the movement develops into a cult of personality. The politician becomes an almost messianic figure, an incarnation of the people’s desires and a personality that towers above institutions like political parties.

          Perón led to Perónismo. Chávez created Chávismo. And already there is talk about Trumpism—or, as Latin Americans call it, “Trumpismo.”​

      LP, you ought to be shocked – so shocked you should be asking why so many members of the right find him so repugnant. And then you ought to ask why so many Trump supporters can’t handle that, and resort to spinning ridiculous rationalizations about our motives.

      I went to the 1976 convention to support Ronald Reagan, and spent a lifetime defending and supporting conservative-libertarian goals and values…part of that in defense of the so-called working class ‘wasteland’ between the coastal left and liberal elites.

      And yes, I think Donald Trump is evil.

      Not just misguided, mistaken, politically unstable, and insincere, but the most evil personae to be (likely) nominated by the Republican party since its inception.

      Space does not permit me to list all of his perversely stupid comments or daffy formulations, nor to show his self-evident insincerity. But it boils down to this:

      Donald Trump is clearly a case of Narcissistic Personality Disorder, and has all the attributes of a serious authoritarian. Anyone who admires Putin, touts the Chinese put down of Tiananmen Square, and only likes “winners” and then spits out that everyone who opposes him is a loser is NOT close to being normal – and when he rants he will impose new laws to intimidate the press (or threatens new suits against opponents) he is not someone that thoughtful or principled person would want as President.

      Trump is highly manipulative, utterly ruthless, obsessively fixated on tweeting insults and threats to his growing list of “enemies” (e.g. Kelly) and could care less about the people he gins into hysterics. He has no guiding moral-political principles and his attachment to promises are as “absolute” as the recent revelations that everything is negotiable and loves to make deals with Democrats.

      Donald Trump, even if elected, will discredit every non-liberal for the next 15 years. He will end up, the majority of the time, siding with the Democratic “establishment” and berating his own party…especially its non-compliant “loser” conservatives.

      I will never vote for Trump – EVER. At least when I oppose the future Hillary or Bernie or Warren administration, I can do it with the integrity of “our right-wing side” intact. But we are stripped of any virtue, or moral seriousness, if Trump is our nominee.

      So ya, Trump is evil and I am more than ready to vote for a third party or to note vote at all.

Kimberlee, Trump is going to be the nominee. He is going to plow through 1237. He is going to beat Hillary and be President.

    Lady Penguin in reply to Gary Britt. | March 18, 2016 at 5:46 pm

    It is a little incredulous that someone would title a post like that, when the facts say otherwise…For instance:

    “Trump got 301,000 more votes in Florida than Romney did in 2012”

    Even in a primary, that’s significant.

      “Trump got 301,000 more votes in Florida than Romney did in 2012”

      Florida’s population grew by more than 920,000 between then and now as well.

        Lady Penguin in reply to Amy in FL. | March 19, 2016 at 12:58 am

        I’d need a source to believe that Florida gained a million new residents in 3 yrs, let alone that those are people who produced over 300,000 voters for Trump along with the significant total primary vote totals. While I know the state is always growing in population, that’s not it’s normal pace.

        Significant increase in GOP primary voting this season, among the states who have already voted, are taking place. Virginia is one of them. Those turnout numbers are, in large part being driven by Trump’s presence on the ticket, and it’s his numbers that are higher, thus the wins in the states.

          July 2012: 19.35 million
          July 2015: 20.27 million

          Florida has been growing by more than 300,000 residents per year, and it’s mostly due to people moving here, not net growth in natives (see second link for cite on that.)

          I’m not denying that this primary season has seen a much better turnout for Republicans than usual – that’s absolutely the case. But I’m just pointing out, be careful comparing raw numbers of voters from 2012 to 2016 in a state which is growing as quickly as Florida is. You’re probably safer using percentages/proportions: percentage of Floridians who voted for Romney in 2012 vs percentage of Floridians who voted for Trump in 2016.

          Just as an aside, we get the same phenomenon if you are comparing raw numbers of crimes or raw numbers of traffic accidents from 2012 to 2016. People who just show the increase in raw numbers of crimes or accidents can make it look like Florida is becoming an increasingly dangerous place to live and drive.
          Buuuuuut…. take into account that we’ve got nearly a million extra people here now, and present those figures in terms of “X per 100,000 residents,” and you get a more realistic picture.

“In Florida, Trump and Clinton Have a Likability Problem”


They both reek of corruption, meanness, and outlaw lives.

NEITHER gives a flying fluck about the Constitution, individual rights, or liberty.

    The Ragspierre AI cruzbot engine is up and running.

      PhillyGuy in reply to Gary Britt. | March 18, 2016 at 5:32 pm

      Meanwhile Romney is using Cruz like he was a disposable candidate. It’s out in the open now, they don’t care about Cruz at all.

        PhillyGuy in reply to PhillyGuy. | March 18, 2016 at 5:55 pm

        Cruz, ever the useful idiot, thanked Romney for his vote announcement. We have drifted into the Twilight Zone.

        Ragspierre in reply to PhillyGuy. | March 18, 2016 at 6:08 pm

        Have Chuck YOU! Schumer or Dirty Filthy Harry Reid announced they back T=rump like he did them…???

          PhillyGuy in reply to Ragspierre. | March 18, 2016 at 6:42 pm

          They never announced they back Trump. You have completely lost it. Cruz is either getting played by the GOP or he is going along with it. The party doesn’t care about him – they just care what he can do to Trump. He’s a political ragdoll. They are chewing Ted up just to spit him out and Ted says “thank you.” What a dolt.

    inspectorudy in reply to Ragspierre. | March 19, 2016 at 9:35 am

    What staggers me is that the Trumpets don’t seem to remember that she and Trump have been working together for years. Also Trump worked with her terrible husband. They all ran in the same circles and fed off of each other’s corruption. Payola and crony capitalism is what they do. How is that supposed to make Trump an outsider? Trump has one yardstick to measure his life with and that is money and his outlandish lifestyle. Is that a qualification for the presidency? I have always treasured things like integrity, honesty, selflessness and the desire to not ever making the same mistake again. 4 bankruptcies, three wives two families and a partridge in a pear tree.

It’s a fine line between being a “law-and-order candidate” and being an authoritarian, and Team Trump’s really making no effort to walk it. In fact, watch both clips below and you’ll find Clovis making another dubious remark about the prospect of a brokered convention: If delegates don’t end up on the Trump train, he warns, they’ll end up “under it.” Oh? What would it mean to end up under the train? Normally I’d dismiss that as mindless hyperbole but threats are a regular part of Trumpist discourse with critics. I’d be curious to know what sort of reprisals are planned for delegates who insist on sticking with Ted Cruz.

One point in Clovis’s defense, though. Some righties are laughing at him for what he says in the first clip about the RNC needing to respect the will of “the Republicans and the Democrats and the independents who’ve voted for Mr. Trump.” It does seem ridiculous that the Republican Party needs to bow to the preferences of Democratic voters, but how is that Clovis’s fault? That’s what the party gets for holding open primaries.

Wait, now…

I thought Der Donald was so smart, he didn’t use no steeeeeenkin’ “advisors”…???

But…OF COURSE…Der Donald di-ent MEAN “riot-riots”…

Florida voter here. These sentiments mostly reflect the intraparty infighting, and gotcha question debates that make nobody look good.

The first of the two to consolidate their strength within the party will win.

That’s why it’s crucially important to excommunicate Republicans encouraged to keep fighting by taking Soros money.

It’s also important that Cruz drops out when he can no longer win. (Cruz is mathematically eliminated if he loses Arizona on Tuesday, and Cruz will not win a convention fight because party hacks will pick some nobody over Him. Hannity cited some survey today that 45% of convention delegates, some of them Cruz delegates, are already inclined to do just this)

Ho hum. Any stupid piece by KK telling us how evil Trump is. This telling us he cannot garner a lot of votes in Florida four days after he garnered a lot of votes in Florida.

Maybe instead of writing stories showing us her lack of intelligence, she should be reading up on Goldwater and his importance to conservatism.

In the meantime, Ted Cruz adds six Bush staffers. He adds Neil Bush to his staff. Lindsey Graham is raising money for him, and Romney has just endorsed him. N0t to mention all his wife’s K-street connections.

How is he not GOPe?

    Ragspierre in reply to RodFC. | March 18, 2016 at 7:08 pm


    Cruz is unlikeable and nobody is going to support him…OR

    as people break one way or the other, some will support Cruz and some will support Der Donald, and the GOPe is who Cruz is.

    Which lie are you going with?

      Barry in reply to Ragspierre. | March 18, 2016 at 9:39 pm

      Let me help you with your dilema:

      Take the first half of the first, and the second half of the second, and we get –

      Cruz is unlikeable and the GOPe is who Cruz is.

      That is not a lie.

JimMtnViewCaUSA | March 18, 2016 at 6:58 pm

I saw the title and was worried about violence to Repubs.

But then I saw it was a GOPe list of Trump supporters. Unlikely to mean much. Those guys can’t even oppose Dems effectively.

    Why would you even care about being “blackballed” from a movement y’all admit that you’re trying to burn to the ground anyway?

      Lady Penguin in reply to Amy in FL. | March 19, 2016 at 1:02 am

      We don’t, but it shouldn’t be ignored, because you know, Nixon had a list, or let’s go further back – the era of McCarthy, since the Lefties try to point that out as a dark and dirty time, though McCarthy was correct about the Communists’ presence.

      Too bad these nice Conservative Republicans drawing up the blacklist of Trump supporters, don’t spend their time drawing up a list of the Leftists supporters and the real enemies of America.

        But again, the stated goal of the Trumpkins is to destroy the GOP. BURN IT TO THE GROUND AND SALT THE EARTH! You’ve not exactly been subtle about this. So now you’re upset that the group of people you’ve named as your avowed enemies and whom you’ve promised to destroy are cutting you from their Christmas card list?

        That’s actually a little bit pathetic, tbh.

The last Presidential candidate I actually liked was Calvin Coolidge.

But so what? Presidents managed to get elected even though I didn’t much like them.

KK goes to great lengths to come up so short .

In Florida, Trump had a third more votes thyan Romney or McCain and 50% more than Bush.

Nationally Trump is ahead in same states Vs Romney by almost 50%.

Trump keeps winning, by record vote numbers, and you keep telling us how unpopular he is. Maybe someday you’ll figure out their is something wrong with your “cooked” polls and “focus” groups.

good enough morgan | March 18, 2016 at 10:40 pm

I think the point here is that we have in Florida, and at the moment, two candidates with negatives such as they’d not, in normal years, get their parties’ nomination.
So what’s your bet: that Democrats hold their noses and vote Hillary? (Losing some white working class voters but energizing others who’d otherwise pass.)
Or that Republicans (regular sorts who pull the lever despite their heart of hearts) hold their noses and vote Trump?

I’m guessing at this point Hillary and the Democrats more easily mobilize their base against Trump. That isn’t to say that they’d try to turn whoever the Republicans run into a Nazi. It is to say that Trump has made their job a little easier.

    Lady Penguin in reply to good enough morgan. | March 19, 2016 at 1:10 am

    I understand your reasoning, but here is my counter, and I’m in Virginia. Trump is going to be pulling voters from the Democrats who don’t want Hillary, are unhappy with the country’s economy, lack of life, and lackluster spirit. I believe that there are still patriotic, caring people in the Democrat party who are willing to walk away from them.

    Better yet, I believe that there are people from our own side who have long since given up, no longer vote, never vote, etc. and they’re willing to try again. Trump is bringing that out in a way that none of the other candidates can or did. Cruz is a very good man, but he is a process guy, the intellectual side of the coin. You need the battering ram to break open the doors.

    And just your recognition of the “making anyone we have into a Nazi” by the Left, tells us how powerful and dangerous the malignant media and the Dems have made things for us. Trump is actually making “that” job much, much harder for them to pull off. He simply doesn’t let them get away with it.

      inspectorudy in reply to Lady Penguin. | March 19, 2016 at 9:44 am

      Cruz is a process man? Do you remember when he called McConnell a liar in the Senate? Do you remember how he stood and filibustered obamacare? Do you know how much all of the RINOs in the Senate hate him? Where is he a process guy? He is the most anti establishment man in DC who has ACTUALLY done something about it. Where was Trump during this period? Why he was working with Reid and Pelosi! I don’t mind hyperbole but please base it in fact.

      LP, the media is waiting until he’s the nominee. Should that happen, there will be 24/7 stories about Trump’s past, his long long list of failures, his amorality, his mean-spiritedness, his myriad “flip flops” (all with vidoe, of course, that will be run in Hillary (or whomever) ads from morning to night), and every other negative.

      Trump does not control the media, and if you believe he does, you are in for one heck of a long, depressing summer/fall.

    Maher doesn’t “endorse” Cruz; he’s using a very common rhetorical strategy with which you may be familiar in other terms: Say you want to emphasize how awful something is. To do this, you may say “I’d rather stick a fork in my eye” or “I’d rather be mauled by rabid ferrets.” Obviously, this would not be a resounding endorsement of the glories of forks in your eye or of rabid ferrets mauling you. Instead, it’s taking a horrible horrible thing and saying that even that is better than the other option.

    Leftist comedian Bill Maher ranted,

    [I]f I have to choose between Donald Trump or Ted Cruz, count me in for Ted Cruz. Donald — you know, why? I mean, it would be horrible, but it wouldn’t be as unpredictably horrible as Donald Trump. Donald Trump, literally this week said the words, ‘All I know is what’s on the Internet.’ I’m not kidding. This country is in big trouble if liberals don’t snap out of their reality world. All I know is what’s on the Internet? This guy is going to change America’s symbol from a bald eagle to a turtle f*cking a shoe.”

    Anyone who tries to turn that into

    Breaking. Bill Maher endorses Cruz

    is either being deliberately disingenuous; or is deeply, let us say “pathologically,” stupid.

I see that insane mormon Glenn Beck is running around Utah with Ted Cruz saing these are the end times of prophecy in the bible and the book of Mormon. Then he talks about the mormon end times prophecy of how in the last days the constitution will hang by a thread and that Cruz is the savior of the constitution as foretold in mormon prophecy.

Cruz does not deny he is the prophecized savior of the constitution nor does he disavow the prerequisite to that prophecy that these are in fact the end times.

Of course Cruz is a member of the semi christian cult of dominionists who believe that dominionists must take political control/domination over the whole world and also take control over all the world’s wealth and riches as a necessary prerequisite to the return of Jesus.

Giving an end times religious nutball like Cruz with his insane mormon prophet buddy Glenn Beck the nuclear launch codes is completely terrifying.

Nobody in their right minds could possibly think putting an end times dominionist cultist and claimed fulfillment of end times mormon prophecy in charge of the most powerful nuclear armed military in the world is a good idea.

Cruz is introduced to crowd of evangelicals by a minister who quotes a bible passage (out of context) that says gays should be executed and then immediately calls the waiting Cruz to the stage. Cruz says nothing and does not then or since denounce this hateful bigotry that matches the beliefs of ISIS. Its on video and if Trump were like Cruz it would be on attack ads against Cruz.