Code Pink Gives Trump “Pink Badge of Courage” for Bush-bashing
Cheney: Trump Sounds like a “Liberal Democrat”
Following Trump’s eye-brow raising assertions that President Bush was not only responsible for 9/11 but purposefully and intentionally lied about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, he faced a barrage of criticism from the right.
Those on the right argued that he was not only wrong but that he sounded a bit too much like the “Bush lied, people died” sputterings of the fringe left (and of left-leaning “journalists” like Ron Fournier).
Indeed, Dick Cheney noted on Monday that Trump’s comments make him seem like a “liberal Democrat.”
Former Vice President Dick Cheney, who served alongside former President George W. Bush, issued a bold criticism of Republican presidential contender Donald Trump Monday, saying the billionaire “sounds like a liberal Democrat” when it comes to the Iraq war and 9/11.
“You heard at the debate Saturday Donald Trump accuse President Bush and his team of purposefully lying the country into war in Iraq, saying, ‘I will tell you they lied, they said there were weapons of mass destruction, there were none. They knew there were none.’ Your response?” Fox News anchor Bret Baier asked.
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Those on the right were not the only ones to note Trump’s startling assertions; those on the progressive left were positively giddy in their joy and agreement with Trump.
In an atypical gush of praise for a Republican of any stripe, Code Pink even heaps praise on Trump.
Code Pink co-founder Medea Benjamin said in an email to the Huffington Post that she “loved” the debate.
“It felt surreal to hear Donald Trump, the leading Republican contender for President, saying what we at CODEPINK have been shouting to the winds for 14 years now: that Bush and his cronies lied about WMDs, that the Iraq war was catastrophic, and that Bush never ‘kept us safe’ because 9/11 happened on his watch.”
Benjamin said that she also agrees with Trump that the war wasted money that could have been used to rebuild the country’s infrastructure — a theme the group uses in a campaign called “Bring out war dollars home.”
“It was wild,” she said.
Code Pink’s Benjamin was so enthralled with Trump’s comments that she says she gives him “a Pink Badge of Courage.”
[Featured Image: Medea Benjamin Facebook, Oct. 12, 2015]
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Trumpbot: “See! He’s a uniter!”
And he “loves America” and cares about the people ever so much more than anyone else ever could! He’s the purest, honestest servant of the nation that anyone could ever dream of!
He’s a veritable messiah sent to crush the wicked and restore the Constitution! He will surely do what’s on the top of every Trumpbot wish list, whereas no one else would even try!
And no one else would be talking about anything important if Donald the Great had not shown the way! (Even though Ted Cruz was presenting a tough stance on immigration while Trump was saying that Romney was too tough; and Cruz was actually doing something about it while Trump was favoring amnesty. And so on.)
Der Donald is a Collectivist. His core is ANTI-conservative, BIG GOVERNMENT, and ANTI-market/choice for the people.
He’s been that all is life. He is that now. He will be that tomorrow. He is a walking, breathing fraud.
You left out one thing Trump will be tomorrow.
And Cruz will be sucking Trump’s knee caps begging for a job in the Trump administration.
Well, we know you’ll be sucking your man-crush, regardless of the outcome. Like yesterday, today, and tomorrow.
You’re such a servile, slavering, slavish, sucking sycophant.
Who sucks… And lies.
Trump did not say that Bush was “responsible” for 9/11. As with any crime, the wrong-doer is “responsible.
What Trump said was that Clinton failed and then Bush failed to “keep us safe”. And, in fact, inasmuch as 9/11 happened, we obviously were not “kept safe”.
Is that culpable? Would it have been possible for Bush to correct all Clinton’s failings in the short time Bush was in office before 9/11 in order to “keep us safe”?
I don’t know, but it seems to me that that is what should be discussed, and would be a lot more useful than the hyperbolic nonsense on both sides.
Isn’t it interesting that people from Mark Levin to Code Pink did not find your ambiguity in Der Donald’s comments?
Your apologia is pathetic. Nor is it the first.
There is no “ambiguity”.
I can’t help it if cognitive bias causes people to hear what isn’t being said.
Obviously, we were not being “kept safe”, at least up until 9/11 happened.
The ONLY intelligent rejoinder to that — which I’m not hearing — is that the Clinton had so screwed things up (a, b, c…) that even though Bush immediately set about to correct these problems, time did not permit him complete success and fixing these negligences.
That does not seem to be true, however. I haven’t heard any come back detailing what GWB did in his first year in office in an attempt to rectify out vulnerabilities created during the Clinton years.
Fun with quotation marks! He didn’t have to use the precise word “responsible” in order to convey the very clear insinuation that Bush was to blame — which means, for one thing, that Trump is ignorant about all the hamstringing of the intelligence community by Clinton.
Did Trump hold Bill Clinton to blame for the first effort to bring down the WTC? Or for Oklahoma City, etc.? Hmmm?
Trump even more clearly and explicitly accused Bush of lying in order to start a war.
What Trump said was vile — but not surprising from someone of such low character.
The last ocmpetent Bush that was in office was Sr. Bush. GWB was so inept — in large part not recognizing and not rectifying decay allowed or engineered by Clinton, but be that as it may — that we got Obama as a result. I’m not into reconstructing history.
Additionally, deposing Hussein was a huge mistake. Bush Sr., if you didn’t notice, shared that opinion, and following our entry into the Iraq War, suddenly became very scarce in the media, and there was no more talk about how he was meeting with or conferring with his son.
“I’m not into reconstructing history.”
Bull. SHIT! That’s ALL you do. Arm-chair quarterbacking with infallible hind-sight.
What an AMAZING, lying, SOS (sack of sharia).
You’ll tell any lie in defense of your cult leader.
Okay, I guess that means you have no real response, so are spluttering invective. I live for this kind of reaction from the other when I’m leaving a courtroom or settlement conference.
You are fully lost in delusion.
You simply lie. Observing your lies is not invective.
The only incompetent one in this thread is you, janitor. Your comments show that you are a nincompoop. You are a clueless low information voter who’s willing to clean up after Trumph’s droppings.
You’re evading the point that Trump concocted a vile slander about Bush. He didn’t just charge him with “incompetence,” a label he pins on just about everyone who isn’t Donald J. Trump.
He accused Bush of LYING about WMD for the sole purpose of starting a way — even though Trump somehow knew about Saddam’s nuclear weapons program before that; and even though various reports since then have confirmed that the “no WMD” claim is FALSE.
Trump lied, with malice aforethought.
And why has Trump never criticized Bill Clinton for degrading our intelligence capabilities and irresponsibly treating terrorism as a law-enforcement problem?
Answer: Because it hasn’t served Trump’s personal ambitions to do so.
Because you don’t shoot your wad on the first go-round. He isn’t debating a Clinton.
Let us not forget that Der Donald LOVES him some Saddam!
According to Der Donald, Saddam was a terrorist FIGHTER!
That is, of course, a STINKING DAMNED LIE.
Saddam was a promoter and sponsor of terrorism. Read up on the predicates for the Congressional authorization for use of force. How many was it? 21 or 23? WMD was ONE.
Der Donald is just a Code Pinko.
Trump didn’t mention Clinton at all during the debate, although maybe now hes doing it. Rubioo said Clinton was responsible because he didn’t kill bin Laden.
Now, on the Sean Hannity radio show (he’ll be on TV with Sean on Thursday) Donald Trump says he warned about bin Laden in his book two years before Sept 11th. Sean also played the bad quality tape of Bill Clinton saying he turned down an offer by Sudan to turn over bin Laden (later Clinton said he was mistaken about that)
Trump has had Bush Derangement Syndrome for years.
Trump once pressured Nancy Pelosi to impeach George W. Bush over the WMD “lie” and Iraqi war. Post 9/11 he toed the liberal Democrat line because he was a registered Democrat and a liberal, duh. Changes in market forces now dictate Trump be a severe conservative, and so he is. Or says he is.
We approach the SC GOP primary in which any registered voter may vote, regardless of party affiliation. The SC Democrat Party is expending as much energy getting the Democrat vote out for the GOP primary as they are for their own primary. Trump is moving his rhetoric leftward accordingly, seeking SC Democrat voters, and to hell with SC conservative voters. Trump needn’t lie to do so, he needs only to regurgitate his positions from when he was a liberal registered Democrat just seven years ago and earlier. This is the benefit of having at different times been on both sides of all major issues, both pro-choice and pro-life, both pro-amnesty and anti-amnesty, both pro-Bush and anti-Bush, both pro-2A and pro-gun control, both Democrat and Republican, both liberal and ‘conservative’…… Trump has been all these things and worse. Now he moves leftward for SC and has even managed to pick up an endorsement from none other than Code Pink, a severely conservative group whose support has been long sought by the GOP (/sarc).
Trump is a businessman. Good businessmen know how to read the markets. In 2009 Trump’s read on the political market was he couldn’t unseat the incumbent Obama in 2012 and he couldn’t hope to beat the ‘inevitable’ Hillary Clinton in 2016, both sensible reads, so voila! -all of a sudden Trump abandons the Democrat Party – no future there for a White House aspirant already well into his 60s – and becomes a conservative GOP member, and once again, for the fourth time in ten years, Trump changes all his positions to those of his new party.
Well, with SC being an open primary with as many Dem votes available as GOP, Trump now moves to the left. Just doing what he has to to win, right? Primary season shifts of position are common, but they are typically slight and nuanced so the candidate may stay within his/her recorded set of principles. But, if one has no principles, has no uncrossable lines, everything becomes so much easier, especially when undiscerning supporters assign it all to political genius. And in a way, it is political genius – of precisely the sort Obama used to present himself in 2007-08. Trump presents himself as the generic Winner, a tabla rasa of emotional pandering upon which a quarter of the angry GOP-ers painted their pictures of a conquering hero, the unfailing winner and their political savior. Thought is timeless, emotion is tethered to the here and now, and so, that 25% of GOP voters ride the righteous Trump wave and ignore the sea behind them and the coral reef directly ahead. Trump will betray them and break their hearts. They are already tying themselves in rhetorical knots trying to defend his parade of policy nonsense and pubescent behavior.
Conservative voters are more critical in their vetting of candidates, which is why Trump only polls at 25% among conservatives. All anyone may know of Trump is what he says he is today. Clearly, he holds no position firmly and will reverse any position as politically needed. There is zero way to know what Trump may claim tomorrow on any subject. A president Trump would be in office for 4-8 years, impeachment or resignation aside, and his record shows he’ll move his positions and policies any which way he needs to resolve his political problems of the moment. Trump supporters, victorious in 2016, by 2017 will have to defend the second coming of Obama.
I can’t vote for such a cynical schemer, especially when standing right over there are Cruz, Rubio, Bush, and Kasich, any of whom would make for a far more trustworthy president than would Donald Trump.
(Note: not a single f-bomb)
Thank you for the thoughtful post without f-bombs.
Is it your belief that other politicians do not “scheme” — “cynically” or otherwise? Change positions, sometimes even parties, hone and massage their schtick? (Reagan once was a Democrat. The Bushes were pro-choice until the RNC changed the party platform. Etc.)
I think that most politicians “scheme” to boost their career success all the way through. Some have done little or nothing else but be politicians, a singularly unproductive life.
The difference between them and Trump is that Trump wasn’t working on building himself a career in politics. And also that for some reason, the magnifying glass is applied by the media — including the bloggers — to his every word, in a way that I have not seen done vis a vis others.
“Is it your belief that other politicians do not “scheme” — “cynically” or otherwise? Change positions, sometimes even parties, hone and massage their schtick? (Reagan once was a Democrat. The Bushes were pro-choice until the RNC changed the party platform. Etc.)”
This argument is bull. There is zero comparison between Trump changing party affiliation four times since 1999, and Ronald Reagan having changed once, from his Hollywood star existence, to his later conservative politician career. I invite you to name one politician anyone ever heard of – throughout American history – who changed party affiliation two or three times, let alone four times over a politically brief period.
There is zero comparison between the nuanced swings candidates typically make during campaigns and the wholesale turnarounds on Trump’s record, on *all* the top issues. I explained this in my post, but by definition, inconvenient facts are ignored by Trump supporters, lest critical thinking and vetting tarnish the shine.
Anyone who feels Reagan’s one-time change from Dem to GOP -in 1950 when Harry Truman was president and 30 years before he became president himself – equates with Donald Trump’s following record of party swaps.. I’m sorry, but you’d have to be delusional to equate the two.
Trump party affiliations:
Most of youth – Democrat
1987 – Joins GOP
1999 – Dumps GOP, joins Independent Party
2001 – Dumps Independent Party, joins Democrats
2009 – Dumps Democrats, joins GOP again.
2011 – Dumps GOP, registers as unaffiliated with any party
2012 – Registers as GOP yet again.
Go ahead, any Trump supporter, explain to me how Trump’s record is the same as Reagan’s one time party switch in 1950. Failing that, at least have the intellectual honesty to quit trying that failed argument.
Because party loyalty is important?
Looks to me like he was Republican for a lot of years, then in 1999 to 2000 transitioned to Republican, fed up with who was running, then in 2009 got fed up again with who was running in the Democrat party. Looks to me like he kept looking around at the Washington establishment uniparty, and agonizing over it, optimistically attempting with each wave of growing incompetence to try to boost someone in opposition.
Perhaps he’s more like Theodore Roosevelt than Reagan. Or perhaps he’s just unique, and we can take him at his word that he’s fed up with the establishment cronyism and politics as usual, and the corruption that goes on in both parties — and that he hasn’t been a party loyalist proves that.
“Because party loyalty is important?”
Because party affiliation is based on one’s basic principles. Trump is a man without basic principles, hence a man without a party, at least never for very long.
I thank you for your display of rhetorical pretzel-making trying to shoe-horn the reality of Trump into the myth that is Trump. He’s a cynical schemer who changes principles and parties whenever politically expedient. He’s already dropping his ‘I’m a conservative!’ bull hockey because he doesn’t need it anymore. SC is an open primary, the winds have changed and Trump follows. He’s a weathervane.
Not necessarily. There are only two main parties. Both have been mishandling things for some time. The Republican platform, especially as carried out by the GOPe is far from perfection.
There are different kinds of conservatives, from economic conservatives to social conservatives to libertarians. There are Democrat tea partiers who are (or were) commentators on this blog. There even are Republican conservatives who are atheists.
“The difference between them and Trump is that Trump wasn’t working on building himself a career in politics. ”
Trump has been in politics his ENTIRE life. He hasn’t been elected to an office is all. He was on the short list for VP clear back in 1988. He donated to Carter and Mondale against Reagan.
As far as people changing positions it does happen. However most people evolve their positions over years or have a traumatic experience that shifts their position. All of the shifts that you listed where gradual or platform shifts not flip flops. Trump is the ONLY politician that has flip flopped this much without being excoriated.
There are no businesses more intertwined with politics than real estate development and casinos.
Hello. I wanted you to know that I signed in to LI just now just so I could give you a much deserved thumbs up for your profoundly truthful statement.
Down here, the so-called developers and their political cronys have just about destroyed Miami and Miami Beach.
And it is the builders and developers that are largely responsible for keeping the same craven people in office for years and years. Whether it’s judges, local commissioners or congress critters, their campaigns are always so well funded, most get reelected without any viable challenge.
He donated to people running for office so that when he picked up the phone to call, they would take his call. That’s how a citizen who has the good fortune to have money lobbies his representatives and gets them to hear his opinion and consider it — far better than ordinary joes. Which, of course, is wrong.
Trump repeatedly has said that this system stinks and is corrupt, and does not represent regular voters. That’s why he’s not accepting contributions from big money and their lobbyists.
(That someone was considering him for VP is meaningless.)
Was anyone forcing Trump to work the “corrupt” system to increase his billions (and occasionally leave little people in the lurch while he got out of his debts in bankruptcy)?
Was there no way for Trump to earn a decent living and contribute to society without playing a dirty system? The Koch brothers appear to have done it quite successfully.
If Trump is such a principled person and so offended by the dirty, corrupt system, you’d think he might have arranged his life differently, or at least decided that he was rich enough long ago. Whether or not he really is offended by the system of cronyism now, that hardly makes him the best hope for reforming it.
Maybe he enjoys building things. Why should he “rearrange his life” because politicians are corrupt.
A principled person (of the type that Trump fans imagine Trump is) who views a system as stinkingly corrupt would find a way to avoid dealing with it, rather than playing it to the hilt in order to become very rich.
Was it really necessary for Trump to help Harry Reid get reelected against a Tea Party candidate? And why should anything think he’s now the most rock-ribbed opponent of Harry Reid’s politics (unlike the RINOs that Trump fans rail against)?
In any case, if Trump thought he “needed” to support leftist politicians to build his billions, that doesn’t mean we should elect him as the champion against leftist politics or against corruption.
I know people who “enjoy building things,” but they wouldn’t try to kick people out of their homes to build a casino parking lot or a golf course, and then call those people “dirty” losers if that doesn’t work.
They also don’t put their names in huge letters on as many things as possible, and they don’t go around constantly boasting about what great things they’ve done.
And if someone praises their employees, they don’t immediately take all the credit themselves, as Trump has been known to do.
I’m going to be thrilled when the White House is elegantly refurbished and there’s a Trump Ballroom added to it.
Trump is working to build himself, the way he always has. It’s an ego trip — the final capstone on a long career that’s been driven by egomania.
How such an aggressive self-promoter and swaggering bully with an obvious vindictive streak could be seen as the most selfless and pure servant of the people is a vast mystery.
There are (and were) other candidates who have served the public in principled ways when they could probably have become richer in some other endeavor. But a lot of Apprentice-watchers instead went for the TV celebrity, thinking they’d found a great action hero, and they take it on faith that he’ll do what they want — even though Trump has shown a remarkable capacity to change his principles according to his aims or moods of the moment.
“He’s not a politician” does not make the case that he’s reliable and trustworthy — not by a long shot.
“He’s not a politician.” Meaning politicians will eat him alive when he leaves his game and joins theirs.
Being a businessman in capitalist free markets and being president in a democratic republic are two entirely different magisteria. Excellence in one arena guarantees neither success nor failure in the other. There is zero correlation. There is a reason the American presidency hasn’t been occupied by a long list of successful businessmen; Rockefeller, DuPont, JP Morgan, Ford, Carnegie, not a president among them. In fact, businessman > president is a rarity. In the modern era, say the past 50 years, businessmen involving themselves in presidential politics are mostly sideshows, and often clownish. Think Ross Perot, Steve Forbes, and now Trump.
Spending a career schmoozing and bullshitting and campaigning for political office does not make for competence in decision-making in office, at least the kind of ocmpetence that benefits the public.
I responded to you higher up.
I might have seen a few minutes of maybe two Apprentice shows.
It is unfortunate that so many apparently don’t realize that it was just acting, entertainment, and very “un-reality”.
So, Trump’s “reality” show was a con on the public who thought it was real. But now we can trust him to be 100% reliable. Mmmmkay.
But my point was that Trump would not have gotten this big cult of personality around him if he weren’t familiar from TV. If not for that show, there wouldn’t be so many Trump fans who expect him to “fire half of Washington D.C.” and mercilessly cut down incompetents everywhere.
I replied to your post, honestly and politely refuting your arguments. You’ve chosen to ignore it. I’ll invite you once again to name a single candidate at any level throughout American history who has changed party affiliations anywhere near as often as has Trump.
Having reviewed my list of Trump party affiliation changes, do you still believe that Trump’s changes are basically the same os Reagan’s?
If Trump is such a great candidate, you shouldn’t have any difficulty with this. ‘If’, however, is a yuuuge word.
HH, I responded to you higher up, because deep thread. To position this, I’m now responding to myself.
Oh, you answer, but you never respond.
Someone who bellows in public that he “will easily go down as the greatest president in the history of this country” is clearly not seeking the office for altruistic reasons.
He is seeking the office in order to make Donald J. Trump even more of a big shot.
Except Trump NEVER said that. You are a LIAR. Just like your girl Hillary.
Prove that he NEVER said it, then.
I heard the audio. He also told people that they would be privileged to vote for him. He told people on another occasion that they must be honored to be honoring him.
You’re the genius who declared — bizarrely and on no factual basis whatsoever — that I’m a Hillary/Bernie supporter and a fan of Fidel, just because I point out too many unpleasant facts about your hero.
You have called me a liar on no basis whatsoever — except that I point out unpleasant facts about your hero.
Your insults are nasty and completely unfounded — just like Trump’s vile accusation that Bush lied us into war, and his vile claim that Carson has an “incurable” mental pathology.
No wonder you see Trump as a pillar of virtue.
Whenever you claim that I’m a Hillary supporter, you just sound hysterical. There is not a milligram of evidence you can find that I favor Hillary or any other Democrat.
Unless you believe that Hillary supporters all admire Antonin Scalia and Scott Walker.
He says he will be the greatest JOBS president ever. You hear what you want to hear. And judging by how often you post lies and bullshit as a quote you do hear what you want quite often.
You made the assertion which is just a lying variation of something I have heard him say many times. Now post a link to the audio video or transcript from a credible source because you ARE NOT ONE.
There is plenty of evidence you support Hillary in your constant refusal to say whom you do support. So set me straight and tell us all whom you support.
Gary, you called me a liar. THAT is false and vicious – just like Trump’s false and vicious accusation against Bush, and his false and vicious accusation against Carson, and his vicious repetition of a lie about Cruz after Coburn called him on the lie.
For the sake of argument, suppose the word “jobs” was in there and the audio was too poor to hear: It was still an extravagant, egotistical boast to say he WILL EASILY be the greatest president in history whether it’s qualified with “jobs” not. And it’s extremely egotistical to tell citizens that they would be “privileged’ to vote for him.
Trump is more of a braggart that ANYONE ELSE RUNNING, and more of a braggart than anyone else I recall in my lifetime, including Obama.
You can’t refute the plain fact that Trump is extraordinarily egotistical. So you have two strategies: calling Trump critics names; and trying to turn Trump’s vulgar egomania into a virtue. Or point to polls showing how many other people have fallen for a crude demagogue.
I called you a liar because you are a liar. You continue to try and lie about what Trump said. There is a yuuge difference between greatest president ever and greatest JOBS president ever. If somebody played you crapy audio of his statement maybe you should ask yourself if somebody didn’t doctor the audio and make it crappy on person to cover an otherwise obvious edit.
You also lie or are a deceiver (same thing) by refusing to say whom you support.
If you think my post was vicious then you must never ever read any of Ragspierre’s posts.
You aren’t even rational.
Would you prefer to vote for someone who would be content striving to be a mediocre president?
That’s just silly. Striving to be great is one thing; most presidents do. But there has probably never been one who said beforehand that he WOULD EASILY be the greatest of them all.
It wasn’t long ago that arrogance like that was considered bad, specifically in Obama, who’s actually more subtle about it. Now a lot of people who didn’t like Obama’s narcissism have chosen to make Trump’s more vulgar narcissism into a virtue.
But Trump is very inconsistent, so his fans might as well be inconsistent too.
Trump said nothing about striving. He said it would be easy for him — because if there’s anything that Trump believes with any constancy, it’s that he’s the greatest.
Well he is pretty great. Rich, smart, good-looking, magnificent family, successful in business, successful author, successful even as an entertainer, his name on stuff all over the world.
Perhaps you would prefer to vote for someone who doesn’t have the confidence or any track record that he can do the job, and get things done.
Perhaps you prefer false modesty.
Scott Walker risked his career by keeping his promises to rein in the public-union machine. But Scott Walker was rejected by the Trump fans in their fit of pique at “politicians who don’t keep their promises.”
There is absolutely zero reason to see Trump as more trustworthy and reliable than Walker. And Trump has an awful lot more dirt in his background that can easily be used against him — whenever the Democrats and the media find it most useful.
Trump also has a history of doing what he says he’s going to do.
Trump says he’ll do things that are in his own self-interest, and then he does them. That’s a big difference from doing things that put one’s own future at risk for the sake of other people.
Name something that one of the other candidates has done for someone else, that put his “future at risk”.
The only one I can think of is, arguably, Cruz, but being the contrarian champion is his schtick. I’d be thrilled to vote for him, but he can’t win. I admire his principled albeit mostly unsuccessful positions in the Senate but they have accomplished relatively little. He’d be better on the bench.
Scott Walker unfortunately looks like he’s 22, and is an uninspiring speaker. I would have been pretty happy with him, but he’s not an option.
The shame for Walker was he trashed his campaign by hiring the same kind of GOPe strategists as have helped Bush spend 140 million for no result. Also he decided to buy into all the GOPe and Paul Ryan open borders crap. That is what killed Walker’s campaign
That wasn’t pressure. I think that recording is from 2008, and I think Trump says he doesn’t know why they didn’t impeach George W. Bush.It then goes something like:
Q. For what?
A. Lying about the WMDs.
More Trump brilliance, this was.
The GOPe which are all Bushies have been spitting up on themselves at the heresy spoken by THE MR. ESTABLISHMENT.
This will bring more crossover voters into the voting booth on Saturday to offset those who come to see the face of the god they serve.
So, as we’ve always suspected, you don’t care what lies or bullshit has to be told.
Anything for a Collectivist thug named Trump.
What a piece of shit. “Brilliance”…reflect off a turd.
Gary is the perfect exemplar of the uncritical devotee who could watch Trump murder someone in public and he would say it just proves that Trump’s a great shot, or not PC, or anti-establishment, because it’s the wretched establishment that thinks Trump shouldn’t murder people, and Donald the Great doesn’t need their stinking laws.
When the primary investment is made along an emotional rather than intellectual pathway, it becomes virtually unassailable. Logic and reason hold no power over beliefs not built upon them. Intellectual reasons to leave Trump abound, but are irrelevant to the true believer. It is the emotional reasons that hold power, which is why I keep saying Trump will break their hearts one day. Till then, nothing but blind belief and ongoing jubilation over an election already won by their hero.
Many posters here are Catholics. If I were to show that the laws of physics make transsubstantiation impossible, how many would abandon their religious beliefs? In their defense, however, religious belief by definition is based on faith, not science. Trump supporters are very much the same, with a few illustratively damning differences: One, politics is not a faith-based religion, and two, Trump is not God.
HH, some of us favor Trump because we have concluded, based on good evidence, that Cruz simply cannot win over the general electorate, and because the apparent alternative, Rubio, is just another empty suit controlled by his handlers.
The main reason I suspect that Cruz cannot win in the general election is his and his supporters’ heavy emphasis on social issues, which will turn the country away from the immediate pressing economic and immigration concerns and create diversionary screeching among the liberals. These issues are not, in my mind, even the province of the president, albeit the meddling overrreach of the federal government in recent decades has muddled that.
I take issue to your assumption that supporters of Trump are “emotional” rather than “intellectual”. That’s an insult, and insults, however delivered, usually signal that the personl throwing them out is the one having the emotional reaction (that, or the person simply cannot think of a rational reason for anyone to disagree with him, indicating a failure of intellect.)
You might want to consider the risks of injecting “emotional” social issues into the election once the party nominations are established.
“HH, some of us favor Trump because we have concluded, based on good evidence, that Cruz simply cannot win over the general electorate…”
In the teeth of all the OBJECTIVE evidence that Cruz does BETTER than Der Donald against a Collectivist opponent.
You’re delusional. Be insulted if you choose. Or get your head out…
What evidence? Biased media polls? Biased partisan establishment polls? Yammerings about “negatives” which only indicate a “negative” answer to some usually unpublished question.
I think Trump’s rise so far in this process stands as the best evidence.
“Donald Trump holds a broad 16-point lead among those likely to vote in South Carolina’s Republican primary this Saturday…
In the Republican race, Trump, at 38%, tops Texas Sen. Ted Cruz, who holds second place with 22%. Behind those two, Florida Sen. Marco Rubio garners 14% support…
Trump’s lead is bolstered by widespread perceptions of him as the candidate best able to handle the economy, immigration and ISIS, and further, that he has the best chance to win in November and would be most likely to change the way things work in Washington.”
“What evidence? Biased media polls? Biased partisan establishment polls? Yammerings about “negatives” which only indicate a “negative” answer to some usually unpublished question.”
And then you immediately cite to a CNN poll.
You can’t see any of this anymore, can you?
Well since you referred to them, I gave you one. My prior answer stands too.
I’ve seen people rhapsodize about Trump as a veritable Christlike figure — someone who’s risking all to save the country with the purest devotion to our well-being; someone who stands about the sordidness of politics and just does the right thing from incorruptible principle (or as a pundit said of above, “sort of like God”); as someone sent by heaven to help us in our distress.
Those rhapsodizes generally avoid specifics about what Trump actually believes, or how he conducts himself, publicly or privately.
It’s a wild exercise in imagination and wishful thinking, every bit as bizarre as the Obama cult, and perhaps more so.
Radegunda is the perfect example of a pretentious moron who thinks they have deep insight into persons and matters they in reality know absolutely nothing about.
Pretense, projection and putrefying ignorance is part and parcel of Gary Pompous Britt.
You presume that poll numbers equal truth about your boi toy Trumph.
With all due respect, I’m done responding to Janitor. He’s inconsistent even within his own posts and clearly unable to critically look at Trump. He is welcome to do this, of course – just as I am welcome to decide that it is pointless to discuss anything with the willfully ignorant.
More than a lot pretentious and self important of you to feel the need to announse your decision. We will be sure to alert the media. Will you also be sharing annoucements with us when you draw your bath and go to bed? This is exhilarating.
Pretense, projection and putrefying ignorance is part and parcel of Gary Pompous Britt.
You presume that poll numbers equal truth about your boi toy Trumph. Also, truth is what your ‘friends’ let you get away with saying, isn’t it?
Let us know when you grow up, Gary Contrary.
OTH, no, that will take a lifetime of correction. I’m not waiting. I’ll ignore.
My question about Trump is what kind of Supreme Court justice would he nominate. I am not optimistic.
He gave two fine examples in the last debate. No one else gave an example. What more do you need.
He also said his leftist sister would make a great Supreme Court justice. Obviously he knew he had to make a more palatable response in the debate.
Trump has always said his favorite justices were Thomas and Scalia. In the debate he said he would appoint highly acclaimed conservatives like Pryor and Sykes.
Trump’s sister was appointed as a judge by that highly liberal president Ronald Reagan so that makes her to old for appointment to the court today.
How would anyone expect a brother to answer a question about his sister.
Cruz and the cruzbots are all LIARS. Don’t believe them.
Britt, you’re just a hiss and by-word.
Not even rational.
Does anyone remember when Jeb said he would win the nomination and the general election without the support of conservatives? Now he runs around telling anyone who will listen that he is a conservative and Donald Trump isn’t.
Ah, the “No Jeb!” reflex reappears — the old standard response of Trump fans to any criticism of their hero, even when no one in the conversation is arguing in favor of Jeb.
I’m not for Jeb (and of course you’re absolutely, insanely certain that I’m for Hillary), but his whole record on balance is more conservative than Trump’s. And now that Trump is openly channeling Code Pink and courting Democrats in open primaries, you’re really just saying “Well, Jeb did it too!”
Who is it your for? Bernie then? What are you hiding? Why does the truth scare you so much?
She’s for Hillary.
Jeb’s record? Start with the no-recourse loan he took out in the 80s for his failed “real estate development” venture, pocketing a ton of cash, and then stiffing the investors and bank who backed him because he was a Bush.
Or are you referring to his record as Florida governor, which to be fair was at best “mixed”.
Donald Trump’s very detailed description of his pro life anti abortion beliefs. Goes into Roe v Wade issues and even the 10th amendment. Well worth the read.
Trump’s position is the same as Ronald Reagans.
Reuters 5 day rolling average poll out today.
REUTERS ROLLING: TRUMP 40.8%, CRUZ 16.9%, CARSON 11.5%…
You want to understand Trump supporters. Watch this video from a Trump rally today and listen to what these two Trump supporters say.
WOW! Trump Invites Supporters On Stage for Handling Protester– CROWD ERUPTS WHEN ONE SAYS HE’S A VETERAN! (VIDEO)
Jim Hoft Feb 16th, 2016 6:32 pm 1786 Comments
You can’t plan something like this…
At a Trump campaign rally in North Augusta, South Carolina on Tuesday, Donald Trump was interrupted by a protester who was screaming profanities and raising his middle finger to the crowd.
Two Trump supporters “took action” against the radical obscene protester – and Mr. Trump called them up to the stage to share a few words.
The crowd ERUPTED after one of the men told the audience he was an Iraq War veteran.
Code Pink are the ones who greeted wounded Marines at the hospital with signs like “maimed for a lie”
I hope they all die in fire. No, strike that, I hope they survive it and languish in pain for weeks before they pass.
“I really am a conservative, but I’m also a commonsense person. I’m a commonsense conservative,” Trump said Tuesday. “We have to be commonsense conservatives, we have to be smart.”
No, Der Donald. What you are is a stinking, lying Collectivist fraud, Code Pinko, and narcissistic tyrant who should NEVER be allowed NEAR any governmental position besides “prisoner”.
There is a conservative in this race still, and that would be Ted Cruz, who Der Donald hates and fears because of the threat he poses to Der Donald’s pathological self.
Too bad for you and your boy Cruz this election is NOT about who is most conservative. It’s about building the wall, jobs and making america great again.
I thought Cruz was running so people could see the face of the god he serves.
No, Gaghdad Bob, this primary is about whether we will have a choice to vote FOR the Constitution and our republic,
just the choice between which old, lying, SOS Collectivist to vote for.
Well, or my choice, which is never to vote for any Collectivist SOS.
THAT is what this primary process is about.
Hi again, Gary. You wrote: “Too bad for you and your boy Cruz this election is NOT about who is most conservative.”
I find this enlightening because it’s the first time I’ve seen a Trump supporter admit that Trump is not the “most conservative” candidate; I don’t think I’ve seen one try to argue that he IS conservative, either, but it’s worth noting that you do realize that there are more conservative people running (I would go so far as to say all are more conservative than Trump, even Jeb).
You may be unaware of this, but for a lot of conservatives every election is about who is the “most conservative.” We don’t get our way (see McCain and Romney), but that is our goal. Interesting that it’s not yours.
As Rush said, you can be right as rain and we’ll see you in the rear window.
(And apparently you don’t read my comments. Because in effect I’ve been saying over and over again that Cruz is the conservative, but he can’t win.)
I’ve been saying for months right here the same thing. This election is about who will build the wall a real wall, enforce our laws and deport illegals. Then it is about jobs and smart fair free trade agreements.
I’ve also noted that Trumps positions on trade, taxes, the border, abortion and immigration are all conservative. Trump is still the only candidate to answer Jeff Sessions trade agreement test questions. Cruz and Rubio and the rest haven’t answered because tgey all support obamatrade.
Former Sen. Tom Coburn is angry about being quoted in the latest Donald Trump attack on Ted Cruz.
Coburn called the quote an “absolute fabrication.”
As part of his never-ending criticism of Cruz, Trump’s Twitter feed retweeted and pushed a quote ostensibly from Coburn criticizing Cruz as “one of the most dishonest people” in Washington. Coburn never said this.
During a phone interview with the Washington Examiner, the former Oklahoma senator fired back at Trump.
“It’s an absolute fabrication. I’ve never said that, period,” Coburn told the Examiner. “It’s unfortunate he would use my name to say something dishonest. It’s a total fabrication.”
The Cruz campaign did not take Trump’s use of the quote lying down, remarking that it is more of the same from the real estate mogul, who currently leads Cruz and Sen. Marco Rubio in South Carolina.
“There is a reason ‘trumped up’ means phony,” said Cruz spokesman Rick Tyler of Trump pushing the Coburn non-quote.
Coburn repeated during the call that he does not intend to endorse during the primary battle, citing his work for the Convention of States. However, he made it clear that Trump will not be winning his support any time soon.
“I can tell you now somebody I’m not going to vote for,” Coburn added.
Adding his name to the growing body of NOT-T-rump voters AND T-rump detesters.
It was confusion. Just a mistake. Not nearly as big a one as Cruz with his phony voter mailers and lies about Ben Carson. Maybe Trump will call after the election and apologize like Cruz did with Ben Carson.
Gorsh! I wonder why our Trumpbart loving buds in the thrall of Duh Donald haven’t plastered that post by Nolte all over LI threads…
Oh, I know…!!! It’s so they can continue chanting THAT lie, to go with the others they tell!
Lies are really all they seem to have.
So Ted Cruz et al. take what’s said on the lib media as gospel truth. And so hyperventilatingly eager were they to use it — and whatever the wording it still was deliberately misleading because “break” still hints at giving up, that they couldn’t be bothered to make a three-minute phone call to Carson.
And when Trump is misrepresented by the lib media, that’s cool too, and repeated ad nauseam by the Cruz supporters.
A fish rots from the head and Cruz is just a slimy lawyer who lies and plays games.
Tonight Donald Trump had a rally in Beaufort, SC, and while on stage, he repeated his campaign’s earlier fabrication where they attributed a quote to Senator Tom Coburn that he never said.
The fake quote was identified and debunked by Jake Tapper, it was written about at multiple sites including here, and the offending Tweets were deleted; surely an admission of guilt. Even so, some two or more hours later, Donald Trump went ahead and repeated it and pretended that it was true in his ongoing effort to dishonestly smear Ted Cruz as, get this, dishonest.
Shameful. Shameless. Ridiculous. Liar. TRUMP 2016.
Put it on a bumper sticker.
I like “Trump = Tyrant”. It’s simple, direct, punchy and TRUE.
Plus, if he’s elected, it will wear well until he’s impeached…!!!
Donald Trump has scored his highest numbers in a Quinnipiac University poll released Wednesday that found him with a 2-1 lead among Republican voters nationwide, with 39 percent.
He’s followed by Sen. Marco Rubio of Florida with 19 percent and Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas with 18 percent, according to a Quinnipiac University National poll released today. Ohio Gov. John Kasich has 6 percent with former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush and Dr. Ben Carson at 4 percent each. Nine percent are undecided.
This compares to the results of a Feb. 5 survey by the independent Quinnipiac University, showing Trump with 31 percent, Cruz with 22 percent and Rubio with 19 percent.
Dr. Sowell is the closest person I know to being a living Milton Friedman. He understands many things, and has had a long life of intellectual exploration, in addition to being a great conservative, economist and educator.
Sowell is an icon, but he’s blown it this time.
RUSH: You can have the best philosophy in the world, I dont care what you call it, and its not gonna mean anything if youre up against somebody who succeeds at making people think hes gonna break balls, kick butts, take names, put people in prison, fix the country, make the country great again, whatever the hell that means to people. You can philosophize all day long in competition against it, and well see you in the rearview mirror…
CALLER: Do you believe the country would be in good shape with a President Trump?
RUSH: m gonna answer it this way. Honest, from the depths of my heart: This country needs to be saved from the Democrat Party. The Democrat Party is the most destructive force in this country, and anything that beats it, anything that blows it to smithereens, anything that renders it a minority institution cause thats what I think needs to happen…
The Trump train is about to leave the station. Get on board now while seats are still available.
Note the Gaghdad Bob vote for his own bullshit!
Bierhall Britt’s only real function here is as a T-rump troll.
He’s a hiss and by-word, and we all know it, including his own lying self.
What is it with statists, authoritarians, fascists, and trains?
I wouldn’t hitch my little red wagon to that runaway train.
That train is laden with toxic Trumph and is heading for a derailment.
And there are too many snakes on the train!
Hey, did you hear, Trumph train conductor?
Thomas Sowell is not getting on board you nightmare express.
Read your Breitbart script for more details.
“I really am a conservative, but I’m also a commonsense person. I’m a commonsense conservative,” Trump said Tuesday. “We have to be commonsense conservatives, we have to be smart.”
Shades of W and his “compassionate conservative” nonsense.
Anyone who has to use a modifier with “conservative” is making a patently false claim WRT BEING a conservative.
Conservatives are compassionate.
We ARE commonsensical. And we ARE smart.
We’re smart enough to know a Collectivist puke with views indistinguishable from Bernie Sanders when he flucking ANNOUNCES them.
Just for instance…
Monmouth poll just out for SC. Trump 35% Cruz 19% Rubio 17%
The only poll I care about: Thomas Sowell endorses Ted Cruz.
Scott Ott (a conservative) gives his ten reasons NOT to support Der Donald.
(He sounds a lot like me…!!!)
At a town hall event in South Carolina Wednesday, Donald Trump essentially claimed Republicans lost in 2012 because they were too conservative.
Trump sharply criticized Mitt Romney’s selection of Paul Ryan as his running mate, saying Ryan’s support of Social Security and Medicare reform cost republicans the election.
– See more at: https://www.conservativereview.com/commentary/2016/02/trump-republicans-lost-in-2012-for-being-too-conservative#sthash.dcRfTzlj.dpuf
Which is funny, because even Barracula PROMISED entitlement reform in 2008.
So Der Donald is to the LEFT of Pres. ScamWOW.
There you go, Der Donald. Get on or get off, pussy boi. NO MORE CRAP TALKIN’
THAT I’d pay to watch…!!!
Not one of the things Gaghdad Bob posted or predicted.
Huh… Wonder why…???
Well, to be fair, Der Donald hasn’t had the orbs to file a lawsuit yet.
He’s just threatened, as would any bully.
Levin DOES raise a very good point, however; if Der Donald is just all talk about a lawsuit, what assures anyone about his talk about a wall? Or any other damned thing…???
C’mon, Der Donald. Don’t be a pussy. Show us you not just a lying SOS.
Answer to “Did Bush lie his way to war with Iraq?”.
Answer to “Was Operation Iraqi Freedom a strategic blunder or a strategic victory?”.
That’s a great cartoon.
The answer is, “Yes. There is a third way. It’s called liberty and choice”.
Idaho Rep. Raul Labrador, who leads the House Freedom Caucus, is backing Texas Sen. Ted Cruz for president, National Review reports.
Labrador originally supported Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul, serving as his Western States chairman. But Paul ended his campaign on February 3 after a poor showing in the Iowa caucuses and has been courted by other candidates since, National Review notes.
Labrador is the third member of the conservative Freedom Caucus to endorse Cruz. Kansas Rep. Tim Huelskamp also endorsed Cruz on Tuesday, and North Carolina Rep. Mark Meadows endorsed Cruz in January.
Breaking News at Newsmax.com http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/raul-labrador-freedom-caucus-endorse-cruz/2016/02/16/id/714685/#ixzz40WWWdwEa
Although Levin has not ENDORSED anyone, he’s certainly UN-endorsed Der Donald. I think that’s true of Limbaugh, too, to a less overt extent.