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Trump out of Fox News Debate (Reader Poll – Help or Hurt?)

Trump out of Fox News Debate (Reader Poll – Help or Hurt?)

Help or Hurt Trump?

http://www.thewrap.com/donald-trump-fires-back-over-megyn-kelly-blood-comments-i-cherish-women-critics-are-deviants/

The dispute between Donald Trump and Fox News has escalated rapidly today.

It went from Trump was thinking about refusing to appear, to Trump likely not appearing, to the campaign saying Trump “definitely” would not appear.

Megyn Kelly, the focus of Trump’s ire, just announced on her show that Trump is out based on conversations Carl Cameron had with the Trump campaign. The Trump campaign apparently has released a statement to that effect.

Trump Statement Fox News Debate

(added) Fox News issued the following statement:

https://twitter.com/Hadas_Gold/status/692189397597491200

Assuming Trump doesn’t show up, does it help or hurt him?

Poll Open Until Midnight (Pacific Time) Wednesday night January 27.


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I think he is likely to change his mind before Thursday…but we shall see!

    Not gonna happen. See below.

      Slutty bimbo, Muslim bitch, crazy Hispanic girl… He’s really afraid of Teh Wimmins, ain’t he!

        Nope. It his lack of fear of the BS comments from those who think like you that allows him to have the courage to refuse to take a bad deal. Fox News tbought they had the leverage and could force tbis crap onto Trump. To quote Vin Diesel in the movie Pitch Black “they forgot who they were fu*cking with”.

          I think most of Trump’s more zealous fanbois have small penii.

          Gee how am I going to ever recover and keep on living if you think I have a small one. Get over yourself. Trump is a leader and he doesn’t make bad deals. Even if some little nobody like you thinks that makes him a wuss.

          It takes courage not to make a bad deal. Just ask Ryan, McConnell and Boehner. They are constantly making bad deals because tge fear making no deal.

          But TRUMP IS DIFFERENT.

          inspectorudy in reply to Gary Britt. | January 26, 2016 at 10:13 pm

          Newt showed the world how to handle a bad moderator but he showed up didn’t he. Trump will never make a good president because the world will not say nice things about him. What a spoiled brat!

          Nope you really have no clue. It is nice if the world likes us but it is required that they RESPECT us and/or FEAR us.

    JackRussellTerrierist in reply to Leslie Eastman. | January 27, 2016 at 2:49 am

    I hope he doesn’t change his mind and show up. The event will be so much more instructive and constructive without his bellowing and whining.

The answer is HELP TRUMP.

Just learned that Fox will have a muslim activist that thinks Trump is hitler and jihad is good and nobody should be allowed to criticize islam and she will be allowed to ask questions. Trump not being there will mean the other candidates are going to have to either defend Trump from this crazy biatch or agree muslim good everybody else in America bad.

Also they are going to have hispanic girl to gtil candidates on why they aren’t for open borders. Trump not being there – advantage Trump.

Cruz has already realized that Trump not being there really screws Cruz. Whatever plans he had for attacking Trump now out the window – advantage Trump.

Cruz already so desperate as a redult of this has tried to challenge Trump to one on one debate. Ain’t gonna happen – advantage Trump.

Trump is going to come out of this debate looking like the bold brave leader taking it to the BIASED MEDIA and foiling

    If Trump is going to be President, he’ll be facing far more hostile adversaries than just some random “Muslim bitch” or “crazy Hispanic girl.”

    Then what?

      He’s showing that just like Reagan did with Gorbachov that if you aren’t getting a good deal then you have to have the courage to walk away. This is definitely going to help Trump.

        inspectorudy in reply to Gary Britt. | January 26, 2016 at 10:15 pm

        “A good deal”? I thought this was supposed to be a debate. Where is the deal in that? Oh you mean it isn’t going the way he wanted it to go so he QUIT! Yeah, right. Good show Donald.

        Sanddog in reply to Gary Britt. | January 26, 2016 at 11:19 pm

        Trump seems to have forgotten he’s not President. He’s just one candidate of many and doesn’t get to dictate the terms of the Republican debate. It’s not “his” show.

          and that is why you lose

          Barry in reply to Sanddog. | January 26, 2016 at 11:54 pm

          Actually, Sanddog, it is his show. has been for many months. You don’t have to like him or support him to understand what he has been doing. He has played this perfectly. you think small ball, trump is 4 or 5 moves ahead. This has been planned for some time…

          Sorry, the results speak for themselves.

          Sanddog in reply to Sanddog. | January 27, 2016 at 12:30 am

          Barry, you sound like the Obama supporters who claimed Barack was playing 7 dimensional chess every time he got his ass handed to him. Sometimes, a petulant act is just that.

          Barry in reply to Sanddog. | January 27, 2016 at 1:35 am

          Denying reality is what the left does. The results speak for themselves. You may not like it, but it is what it is. Trying to equate it with obama is the refuge of one denying what is in plain sight.

        JackRussellTerrierist in reply to Gary Britt. | January 27, 2016 at 3:02 am

        You are truly delusional. Trump has been right about one thing, though. He could walk up and shoot an innocent person on Fifth Ave. or wherever he said and “his supporters will still support him.” Do you not see how insulting to his supporters that is? No, of course you don’t, because you’re one of the droolers supporting him, in all your and his glorious stupidity.

        Good gawd. It’s no wonder that you think Trump cowering from Cruz and a little news lady is somehow a show of strength.

        JackRussellTerrierist in reply to Gary Britt. | January 27, 2016 at 3:15 am

        The difference is that Reagan wasn’t imagining a “bad deal”. Reagan understood what power he had and what limitations on it were at play. It’s clear that Trump is imagining a bad deal, in the first place, simply because he didn’t succeed in blowing Kelly off the moderator panel but, more importantly, he thought he had the juice to do it but he doesn’t. The threats to Kelly and FNC were very, very bad form and very, very stupid. He’s already the tackiest sonofabitch to ever set foot on the political stage, with only Gary Hart and the Clintons as peers. Now he makes it worse with yet another ostentatious display of bombast, blowhardery and thuggery.

        Your boy is an obnoxious, classless pig and a loser. He will not be missed.

Helps him with his unwavering trump bots, hurts him with everyone else that matters.

Henry Hawkins | January 26, 2016 at 9:25 pm

Well, Stompy has another debate to dodge – Cruz has formally challenged him to a one-on-one debate. Trump has to refuse it, of course – Cruz would wipe the floor with him – but how to do it without revealing his cowardice?

http://www.weaselzippers.us/253266-breaking-cruz-challenges-trump-to-one-on-one-debate/

    Cruz is panicked that is why he issues debate challenge. Without Trump being there entire Cruz attack strategy is out the window. Debate with Cruz will never happen because there is no reason to punch down and agree to debate with someone not his equal.

      inspectorudy in reply to Gary Britt. | January 26, 2016 at 10:18 pm

      You got that right. Trump a debater? Ha Ha! He is a poll reporter. He tells us every time he speaks what his poll numbers are and how dumb the other candidates are. Debate Cruz, the national champion debater? Ha Ha! Kelly would look like his mama after Cruz got through with him.But you are right the clown will never do a one on one because he would have to actually KNOW something about anything.

        How about this Trump will debate Cruz just as soon as Cruz gets two senators to endorse him. Or Trump will debate Cruz if he flips on ethanol fuel standards and says he supports them and wants them renewed.

        Let’s see what is more important to Cruz his principles or a shot at the champion.

        “Trump a debater? Ha Ha!”

        Where you are wrong – trump is not even trying to be a “debater”. Elections are not won by the best debater. Ever. Winning candidates appeal to the emotion, every.single.time. Trump knows this and is practiced. Once more, you do not have to like the man to understand what he is doing. Very few voters are sitting there with a debate scorecard.

          gmac124 in reply to Barry. | January 27, 2016 at 9:24 am

          Actually elections are won and lost at debates. If you don’t believe me go ask George H. W. Bush.

          Barry in reply to Barry. | January 27, 2016 at 9:38 am

          Bush didn’t lose because of a debate, that’s just your misguided notion. Bush lost for one reason, “read my lips…”

          Of course then there were the attacks mounted at the last minute by the D machine.

          Debate had nothing to do with it.

          You can certainly lose it during a debate, but that is not what happened in the case of Bush, nor is it happening here.

I can see the logic that led into this decision.

Frankly I think it’s more about the fact that there are EIGHT freaking people on this stage. That means they’re only getting approx. 15 minutes each the entire debate to spew talking points. There is no ‘debate’ with this many people. Cut it down to 4 and let them actually ask and answer questions from each other.

Trump is firmly in the lead. The last few eight person debates didn’t really affect his poll numbers.

I think he’s using this as a chance to try and tap into the anger towards the establishment GOP that Cruz is currently channeling to try and get rid of Cruz for good.

The establishment set up this debate, and he’s trying to tie Megyn Kelly in with the Establishment. So he’s basically trying to say, ‘Screw the establishment. And if you make me President, I’ll continue telling them to go screw themselves!’

Not sure if it’s going to work, but I can see the logic behind it.

I mean none of these candidates are going to see their numbers change based on this idiotic debate because there is so few time for each of them.

Meanwhile, look at the media coverage. All about Trump, all about Trump.

megyn says “Trump can’t control the media” and the headlines are now rolling in, while she makes her show all about Trump:

Wapo — The Latest: Megyn Kelly says Trump can’t control the media

Huffpo — Trump definitely not participating…

Fox — Trump campaign says…

Etc. etc. etc.

Hannity is now making his show all about Trump.

Everyone claiming that Trump is “scared”. They will repeat this over and over. Tomorrow Trump will remind everyone that he “won” all of the prior debates, and will pull interest and ratings to whatever else he’s doing.

Meanwhile, at the debate, save for the repeated same disses of Trump and a few wisecracks, Cruz and Rubio will be able to tear into each other in another media circus with too many people on stage to accomplish anything educational — while Trump raises money for wounded veterans.

Brave Sir Donald ran away;
Bravely ran away away;
When Kelly reared her female head;
He bravely turned his tail and fled;
Yes, brave Sir Donald turned about;
And gallantly he chickened out;

Bravely taking to his feet;
He beat a very brave retreat;
Bravest of the brave, Sir Donald!

    Or…

    Brave Sir Donald stood his ground against Roger Ailes and the entire Fox News empire and told them to take their best shots but Sir Trump would not submit to their tyranny.

      Ragspierre in reply to Gary Britt. | January 27, 2016 at 7:28 am

      Amazing delusion on display here. Simply amazing. This is WHY there was a Jonestown, and why there are still people who think Obama is just great.

      Cultists can’t understand rational events.

      #SuckTrump

      “Sir Trump would not submit to their tyranny.” But you, brave soul, would submit to Trump’s tyranny.

      I see how that works.

Some people think that Trump’s sycophants stuffing the ballot box in online polls means that Trump actually won a debate. Trump’s followers are worse than Ron Paul supporters. They have a kind of mental illness.

    “Trump’s followers are worse than Ron Paul supporters. They have a kind of mental illness.”

    And people like you wonder why we hate the GOPe donor class whores and refuse to support them anymore.

    Trump is just the weapon of destruction. He will do more damage in one day to the wall street fox news elitists than all the left wing whackos have been able to do for a couple decades.

    Will his support increase/decrease/stay the same? This one is so far out of the box that I have no clue, just a suspicion. Depending on what he is able to pull together as an alternative on Thursday night, it has the chance, the opportunity to be rather large on the upside. There is really little downside to saying you’re not going to participate in a faux debate, after what 6 of them already?

    Fox will get a short term uptick of course, but what will the fallout be? There is more than just the Megyn Kelly dustup involved here. When the general population of the “mentaly ill” realize that Fox is just doing the bidding of their donor class and Saudi masters, Fox will lose.

    I’m afraid you do not know all the facts. After the last debate regular polls, the respected non online ones, polled who won debate and the results were Trump won the debate yuuuge. 37% bTrump won. 20% Cruz won.

    So maybe its not the trump fans who are uninformed.

      JackRussellTerrierist in reply to Gary Britt. | January 27, 2016 at 3:38 am

      You need to study polling. These have all been “herd” polls. The media WANT Trump to get the nomination because they know the ceiling on his electability is about 41%, which is lower than Hillary’s. Trump loses to Hillary – you chumps just don’t realize that because you don’t understand polling or pollsters.

      Herd polls are basically polls in which all demographics are screened through a questioning/qualifying process. If the potential subject’s responses remain within a tight framework of the demographic sought, they get polled. If they don’t, the pollster moves on. Why do you supposed that occasionally a pollster will report a few demographics about the subjects polled? Pollsters use “herd” polls to manipulate a result they want to announce that serves a specific, pre-determined political end. They do not reflect the true situation because that is not their purpose.

        “Trump loses to Hillary – you chumps just don’t realize that because you don’t understand polling or pollsters.”

        Talk about the pot calling the kettle…

        General election polling is meaningless at this point. Of course you are wrong about the results as they now show trump beating shrillary.

        The real polls show trump with a 2:1 lead over the closest competitor. Period. Are they right? Tell us poll master.

        Nope you are just projecting your own wishful thinking. It was same respected poll on republican nomination support. They just added question on who won debate. Result was Trump 37% and Cruz 20%.

All your rating are belong to Donald.

Goodnight Megyn.

He’s not walking away from a debate, but rather a hostile media circus that fox news created with their deliberate antagonism. Pulling for Cruz but not blind to the media slime.

Apparently it’s not all about Megyn.

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/01/26/2868743/

Google and Fox TV Invite Anti-Trump Muslim Advocate to Join Next GOP TV-Debate

Fox News and Google have invited three YouTube personalities to ask questions at the Jan. 28 GOP debate — including a Muslim advocate who describes Donald Trump as a bigot and who visually portrayed him as being in agreement with national socialist Adolf Hitler.

“We have a presidential candidate whose loudest message reeks of hatred and Islamophobia… turning on the news now is scary, and oftentimes, humiliating,” the Muslim woman, Nabela Noor, says in a December YouTube video.

She admits to becoming a Muslim political activist amid the growing criticism of Islam’s doctrines. “The current social environment for Muslims today is not safe or just… as a Muslim American, I felt like I needed to use my voice,” she claimed.

Noor also urged her YouTube viewers to rally against critics of Islam. “I’m so thankful for those who speak up and out against anti-Islamic speech and ideologies. Our community needs more allies like you, but we have a long way to go,” she said.

The two companies announced Tuesday afternoon that the anti-Trump Muslim advocate would be allowed to play a role in the debate.

    Barry in reply to janitor. | January 26, 2016 at 10:40 pm

    “Apparently it’s not all about Megyn.”

    No, I do not think so. You can bet that fox news is getting ready to get hit with a trump broadside that is going to sting.

    You do not have to like trump to see this coming.

    Sanddog in reply to janitor. | January 26, 2016 at 11:24 pm

    That should make him more eager to join the debate. He can explain his positions to the people he’s targeted.

The Donald’s decision to not participate makes it look like he’s afraid of a little girl.

If this plays out …

I do not think it will help or hurt Trump much.

I think the biggest winners are us. We won’t be exposed to two hours of Trump bashing in the ( very poor ) disguise of a debate where no issues are illuminated.

I think that there is a good chance that Fox will try to accomodate Trump. With luck it will piss of Kaisch so much he will drop out of the debate. Even better for us!

If Trump is smart he will accept their accomadations but add one condition. FOX donate their prfits from the debate to the Wounded Warriors.

Trump better stay after it because his fan base may be too busy watching DWTS to show up on election day.

Cruz voters would kill a train load of ISIS henchmen with their bare hands if they stood between themselves and the ballot box.

Geraldo is bummed out on Hannity.

Hannity is whining.

They are all carrying on, horrified. Peretending it’s ONLY about Megyn, which apparently it’s not, although she’s a part. “Why is he so obsessed about five months ago”…” Whining, defensive and in shock.

They are so bummed out. The get-Trump carefully planned event — and all the prequel anti-Trump and other candidate interviews… now have to be re-configured. The questions and the game plan ka-flooey.

I for one am going out to get more popcorn. This should be entertaining.

It’s a big gambit, but Donald will win this. (n.b. I’m a Cruz guy.) It even warms me up a bit to him. Face it, the dude has a brass pair any General would respect.

New York Magazine reports that Roger Ailes has been desperately calling Trump but Trump won’t take his calls. Trump’s people have told Ailes he will only talk to Ailes boss Rupert Murdoch.

Hannity tried calling to see if he could be go between for Trump and Ailes but Trump wouldn’t take his call either.

“They forgot who they were fu*cking with”

It is too soon to tell. The best thing the other candidates can do is barely mention him and debate each other on the issues. If a clear winner emerges from that, then it will hurt Trump. If it is another squawk fest, then it won’t hurt Trump.

    healthguyfsu in reply to healthguyfsu. | January 26, 2016 at 11:51 pm

    BTW this is why I voted “no difference” because I think it is too soon to tell and that’s the closets choice. I don’t see any way that this can help Trump, though. It will either hurt him or have no effect (when leading in the polls that’s kind of the nature of things anyways).

      Sanddog in reply to healthguyfsu. | January 27, 2016 at 2:04 am

      I voted no difference because the Trump supporters are looking more and more like the Obama supporters. They don’t care about his positions on any issue longer than 5 minutes ago and they’re looking for a politician who is going to take care of them.

MaggotAtBroadAndWall | January 27, 2016 at 12:04 am

I remember when the master negotiator thought he had all the leverage and tried to bully CNN into giving a million bucks to charity in exchange for his showing up to their debate. CNN told him to pound sand. He showed up anyway.

I would not be surprised if he “reconsiders”.

Surprise! Surprise! The Donald is getting spread too thin on Twitter, so he has now assigned a troll to harass Conservatives and Libertarians at Legal Insurrection.

Folks! The best approach to stymie cowardly trolls is to ignore them.

He’s a whiny, crybaby prima donna. We already have one of those; I’m ready for a strong, balanced leader who doesn’t throw hissy fits every other day and act like a 10-year-old schoolyard bully.

1 – I’m a Cruz fan, Trump not showing up will make no difference.
2 – If Trump wins the nomination, I will support Trump.
3 – no way can FOX give in 2 Trump, that would destroy FOX as a news organization.
4 – Trump is afraid of Cruz, he may want Cruz as VP.
5 – Cruz is brilliant, Trump is wily, unpredictable and dishonest.
6 – Cruz is a conservative who reveres the constitution,
Trump is much more like Putin (who Trump looks up to as a strong leader).
7 – YMMV.

Mister Trump, how do you expect to stand up against Putin, North Korea, Iran, ISIL, and all the other opponents you will face if you can’t face a blonde from Fox news?

It’s the obvious move, and probably a good one.

The question is, who’s the 800 pound gorilla, Donald Trump or a cable news station?

It reminds me of the faceoff between Bobby Fischer and the Fédération Internationale des Échecs in 1975—the only chess grandmaster most people can name offhand vs. a bunch of unknowns holed up somewhere in France. And what do we have here? A would-be (probably will-be) presidential candidate with surprisingly substantial poll numbers vs. somebody who reads the news on cable TV. So, who gets to throw whom around?

A huge difference between Trump and the run-of-the-mill candidate is that the Press follows Trump around like he’s a long-lost twin of the Kardashians. He uses that influence and power to his advantage. That tactic by itself tells us nothing about Trump, his attitudes, his policy preferences, his religious beliefs, nothing. All it tells us is that he’s smarter than the Press, and has the patience to put up with its perpetual foolishness. Trying to use these incidents for understanding of the Trump phenomenon will be about as fruitful as looking for clues to the future in sheep’s entrails. When he throws juicy tidbits to the Press, there’s no deep meaning there, any more than the chopped fish a seal trainer throws to his animals after they perform a cute trick tells us anything about the trainer’s own dietary preferences.

I have no idea if Trump would or will be a good President, or even an adequate President. But I do like seeing somebody—anybody—manipulating the Press for a change, and doing it with some style.

Art of the Deal: Trump can’t DEAL with Megan Kelly. but he can MAKE DEALS with Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, and Chuck Schumer.

VetHusbandFather | January 27, 2016 at 1:40 am

Those that like Trump will like him more. Those that dislike Trump will dislike him even more. No net change.

One person happy with the news. Jeb! at least he won’t get schlonged again.

    littlefyr in reply to HandyGandy. | January 27, 2016 at 11:40 am

    @HandyGandy. Watch for what Trump does on Twitter. Jeb!’ll get schlonged all night … er … schlong. He’ll “interrupt” with impunity on twitter and all the coverage is going to include all his tweets as counterpoints. And everyone is going to watch a boring, reasoned debate about the issues only to see what Trump says.

    Then half way through, Trump is going to say “These guys are boring, I’m outta here” and he’ll drag the majority of the viewers with him. Of course, most of the viewers would have reached that conclusion themselves, but the drop in ratings will be attributed to Trump.

    http://blog.dilbert.com/post/138125409321/trump-fox-news-and-megyn-kelly-explained-master

I really have to listen to Rush tomorrow.
What I have heard of him, he doesn’t outright hate Trump, but he is also good friends with Roger Ailles. So it will be interesting to see what he says.

JackRussellTerrierist | January 27, 2016 at 2:38 am

I am delighted that Trump won’t be there. I’m sick of seeing his gargoyle face and listening to his constant, cringe-worthy bragging and stupidity about the issues. “I’m great! I’m terrific! That’s all you need to know!” What he is is a damn psycho who needs to have a net thrown over him and a sock stiffed in his mouth.

It’ll be so nice without him. Not only is he afraid to debate Cruz, which is understandable, especially for an empty moron like Trump, but he’s also afraid of Megyn Kelly. Watch him brag about raising money for veterans. He could have done that any time he wanted to over the last 40 years or 10 years or 3 years or whenever.

    I have the same visceral reaction to the sight of Trump that I have when O appears on the tube. Without Trump I am glad to watch the debate. Seeing serious discussion of the issues facing America will be a welcome change from the bloviating attacks by Trump.

Itty Bitty girl, afraid of he is.

Tpomp and Circumstances has left the room stomping his feet and wearing his trademark pouty face. “And this little piggy went wee wee wee all the way home.”

Now the adults in the room can have a debate.

Tpomp doesn’t debate. Rather, he inflates his head with poll numbers.

This really hurts Fox News.

Have you seen the article Breitbart has up documenting Fox News’ support for the Open Borders movement and for Rubio’s gang of eight Amnesty bill? Just devastating.

    I care about truth and conservative principles. I don’t care about the FNC business.

    snopercod in reply to Aarradin. | January 27, 2016 at 8:11 am

    I just laugh that people consider Fox News conservative. They’re not. Four years ago I got sick of watching all the liberals they put on there and decided not to pay for it any more. If I wanted to watch Bob Beckel, Juan Williams, Susan Estrich, et al, I’d watch CNNBCABCBS…

      Valerie in reply to snopercod. | January 27, 2016 at 9:49 am

      Well, you’re not going to want to watch them in the future, then. Fox started out bringing in Democrats to give the Demo point of view a very long time ago, and all they could get were very young, low-ranked people, which reflected poorly on the Demos.

      Now, they are getting better quality Demos to interview.

      Bob Beckel has been gone for a while.

      As for me, I want to know what they’re saying. Cutting off half the conversation is exactly the tactic Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid have used in the Congress, and it has hurt us as a nation.

      The simple truth is that no one person or party has a monopoly on the best policies, and we are all better off if we acknowledge and accommodate the legitimate points the other side raises.

      I was offended by the behavior of Pelosi and Reid, and I look forward to the repeal or large-scale amendment of their poor quality work product. I do not desire the Repubs to get into power and repeat their very serious civic sins.

    CloseTheFed in reply to Aarradin. | January 27, 2016 at 10:06 am

    Yes, it explains why they don’t ask Rubio the obvious questions on the gang of 8 bill and the crappy FaceBook alliance – – – Where Zuckerberg carefully screens out any mention of immigration as a concern of voters.

I don’t know what will transpire relative to Trump as a result of this battle.

I take issue with the meme Trump is ‘afraid of a woman.’

That Megan Kelly is a woman facing down a man is not relevant one way or the other, gender wise.

Additionally, Megyn, like Bill O’Reilly & Rachel Maddow, is a talk show host, not a journalist.

Bret Baier is a journalist. Fox & Megyn are now making news not reporting news.

Megyn is also an attack dog and very capable one at that.

This really has no bearing on her plumbing or the plumbing of whom she is taking to task.

    SeniorD in reply to VotingFemale. | January 27, 2016 at 8:12 am

    Megyn is an attorney by training. I used to think she was interested in getting the truth out. But this ‘news conference’ style ‘Debate’ is simply a way to gain ratings points. Every questioner is under orders to get a good sound bite and gets a bonus for a gotcha question.

    Haven’t watched one of these circuses yet and don’t plan on ever doing so.

      Valerie in reply to SeniorD. | January 27, 2016 at 9:53 am

      I am sure the first Republican primary debate is available in full, somewhere. It would be well worth it for you to dig it up, and watch. This is especially true in light of all the commentary. My question would be, were you surprised by what you saw and heard, after you had read about it?

      Lee Jan in reply to SeniorD. | January 27, 2016 at 1:26 pm

      IMHO Greta is the only commentator worth watching on FNC. For the most part they have gone from being CNN Lite to being MSNBC lite. Pity.
      Ailes put America last when he fired Beck during his revelations about the coming caliphate. Beck was on the mark and Ailes bowed to the financial pressure from advertisers.
      More Pity.

Seems, as I read the article below, that Trump has drawn Fox out into the open for all to see and to judge their behavior as a news organization.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/01/26/report-donald-trump-definitely-not-doing-fox-news-debate/

Will This Negatively Affect Fox News?

1. Yes

2. No

3. No Change

Donald J. Twerk will not be performing at #FoxDebate. SycoFants will get their two cents back.

iTrump sales way down. Big Apple valution slumping.

I find that those who support Trump do so with the same fervor, single mindedness, and unwavering conviction as do those who blindly support global warming no matter what the fats say. This is scary, very scary indeed especially following the nightmare known as Obama.

I know one thing: I’m sick of all-Trump-all-the-Time. I’m about ready to turn off the Internet. I’ve quit reading a number of blogs because they’ve become totally obsessed with the guy, one way or the other.

The Trolls are attacking LI heavy!

Trump again controls the media cycle.
This will do nothing but make him stronger.
Wall to wall Trump on cable news again…

Raising money for wounded warriors and the vets
the night as the debate.

What are people going to watch? It’s not going to be the Trump less debate!

    Radegunda in reply to Common Sense. | January 27, 2016 at 11:37 am

    Are you one of those who would still vote for Trump if he shot someone on Fifth Avenue? In one swoop, Trump expressed his raging egomania and identified his followers as uncritical fanatics — and the fandom is happy to prove him correct about them.

    Trump bellowed that “the people of Iowa” were “stupid” when he was only second in the polls there. He’ll apply the “stupid” label to anyone who doesn’t support him (e.g. Michelle Malkin).

    Trump fans admire Trump when he calls non-supporters “stupid” — but they’re outraged if anyone questions the wisdom of their implicit faith in a blustering blowhard with fluid principles.

Henry Hawkins | January 27, 2016 at 9:54 am

Sort of like that scene from Monty Pythin’s Quest for the Holy Grail. Trump: “Run away! Run away!” Megan Kelly apparently being no ordinary rabbit. Can’t handle a FOX spokesmodel, but Putin? Hillary? Piece o’ cake.

I will be watching this debate.

    Radegunda in reply to Valerie. | January 27, 2016 at 11:40 am

    Looks like the Trump fans on this site think it’s wrong to listen to any non-Trump candidate — just as they’re outraged if anyone dares to criticize Trump or expose unflattering facts about him. It really is a cult.

Trump walked away from is effectively a bad deal with Fox. All downside and no upside…why would you take that deal?

Looks to me as if Trump effectively said “You’re Fired!” to Fox News.

FOX NEWS, has become just another Liberal MsM, since The Murdock son’s took over the Media. They put ” Attack Dog,” Megyn Kelly on the Donald. Why should he take Her Abuse.? These Debates should be held on a Neutral station like C-Span. Why have Debates in enemy territory ? They aren’t really Debates in the first place. The Political Parties have favorites appear on stage, that the people don’t care one bit about. ( Jeb, Paul, Kasich, etc )

    JackRussellTerrierist in reply to bobgood1. | January 27, 2016 at 2:18 pm

    WHAT abuse are you pantywaist whiners talking about?? You trumpicultists keep babbling about abuse from Fox toward trump. Is it abuse to ask someone hard questions they don’t want to answer? Is it abuse to expect a reasonable level of knowledge of the subject matter for ALL candidates?

    Blaming Fox is just trump’s way of weasling out of having to know anything just like the calculus student whines and blames the teacher because he, who has no business being in the class in the first place due to lack of knowledge and foundation, can’t cut the mustard.

    “IT’S NOT FAIR!!! WAHWAHWAHWAHWAHWAH! I’m gonna pick up my marbles and go home!! That’ll showya!!”

Trumps is a master negotiator and debater.I am shocked that he would miss an opportunity to use his skills to show up the Fox team and anyone they call upon to question his views.

    Radegunda in reply to davod. | January 27, 2016 at 11:46 am

    Trump doesn’t want to be involved if he can’t control the process.

    A British producer says that Trump launched a series of “extremely abusive, pathetic attacks” on her when he found that he would not have absolute control over a documentary she was making.

    She says, “It surprises me that any woman in America can vote for this guy. They must be out of their heads.” I would broaden that to “any person who cares about moral character and facts.”

Reagan also skipped last debate just before Iowa caucus.

Reagan and Trump the outsider parallells continue.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/flashback-ronald-reagan-skipped-last-debate-before-ia-caucus-went-on-to-win-in-landslide/

    Ragspierre in reply to Gary Britt. | January 27, 2016 at 11:51 am

    #SuckTrump

    Donald Ducks is afraid he will have to answer question about his history, positions, and “thinking”.

    He will, of course, eventually. He just thinks he can put it off by blaming the girl.

    He’s a pussy.

      I’m sure the anti Reagan morons for Bush said similar things about Reagan when he pulled out of last debate before Iowa caucus in 1980.

      Trump = Reagan

        Ragspierre in reply to Gary Britt. | January 27, 2016 at 12:04 pm

        #SuckTrump

        Anything you say is discredit by your history of simply lying every day.

        Along with your ridiculous, delusional cultist tongue bathing of T-rump.

        Gremlin1974 in reply to Gary Britt. | January 27, 2016 at 2:11 pm

        pfft, Trump isn’t worthy enough to carry Reagan’s Jock strap and is certainly no where near is equal.

Trump is Trump. I hate it, though, when the Media make themselves news.

Kelly’s a talentless hack. Begone wench.

    Ragspierre in reply to maxmillion. | January 27, 2016 at 12:09 pm

    Bwahahahahahahaha.

    It gets better: he tells Megyn Kelly that she is a great debate moderator, and that he could never do a better job at moderating a debate than her. (Skip ahead to 2:29.)

    MEGYN KELLY: [with a mock air of taking offense]: Do you really think you’re a better moderator than I am?

    TRUMP: No, I could never beat you. That wouldn’t even be close. That would be no contest. You have done a great job, by the way. And I mean it.

    MEGYN KELLY: Thank you. I’m glad we cleared that up.
    –Patterico

    So, another one of those situations where you can find any position from Donald Ducks on any issue.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/01/27/fox-news-worse-than-liberal-media-to-donald-trump/

Pollack says Trump right not to take crap that Fox was dishing out and that other candidates should have the gonads to join him in bitch slapping Fox.

    Ragspierre in reply to Gary Britt. | January 27, 2016 at 12:22 pm

    Like Obama. Just EXACTLY like Obama.

    Your man-crush is a pussy, Gaghdad Bob. A lying, Progressive, Establishmentarian pussy.

Power Move by Trump.

You have to respect that.

Does it help/hurt/not matter? Who knows. I’m inclined to think it has a better chance to hurt Trump than help.

What I do know is this liberal meme “Trump is scared of a girl” used by Fox News and many conservatives is beyond lame and childish.

Trump has answered 10 fold more questions than the rest of the entire field combined, be it radio, tv, or in person.

Not sure if I will vote for Trump if he’s the Republican choice. However, I don’t see what Trump is doing as that different than what the RNC did after the clearly biased CNBC debacle. The RNC jettisoned NBC, and National Review after their against Trump issue. It seemed pretty clear to me that Ms. Kelly was obviously biased against Trump, and pretty clear she would likely exhibit the bias again…. so his stance seems perfectly in line with the RNC’s re: NBC to me…

Although I ‘m not a Trump fan, I think it is time for all the candidates to rise up against the bias that is exhibited at these debates . The Democrats get a love fest and the Republicans get the ” have you stopped beating your wife yet questions”

Henry Hawkins | January 27, 2016 at 2:10 pm

Trump, 2011, calling GOP candidates cowards for refusing to attend his debate. LOL. Oh, the irony:

(begin quote)

Donald Trump, who’s planning to boycott Thursday’s Fox News/Google debate, once criticized Republican candidates who refused to attend a forum he tried to put together.

“We’re not seeing a lot of courage,” Trump said in a 2011 interview, about a debate he was trying to host with Newsmax.

The interview, it so happens, was with Megyn Kelly — the same Fox News anchor Trump is now criticizing. But in 2011, Trump praised her moderating skills.

Kelly, at the time, asked him, “Do you really think you’re a better moderator than I am?”

Trump replied, “No. I could never beat you. That wouldn’t even be close. That would be no contest.”

He added, “You have done a great job, by the way. And I mean it.”

The Trump/Newsmax debate did not end up going forward.

On Tuesday, Trump said he would not participate in Thursday’s Fox News/Google debate. Though Trump has said he had concerns with debate co-moderator Kelly, his campaign claimed Wednesday his decision to skip the event had nothing to do with her.

However, Trump again went after the Fox News host Wednesday morning on Twitter, calling her a “lightweight reporter.”

As for Kelly, she said Tuesday, “The debate will go on with or without Mr. Trump.”

(end quote)

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/01/27/trump-in-2011-rips-candidates-skipping-debate-praises-megyn-kelly.html?intcmp=hpbt2

    Ragspierre in reply to Henry Hawkins. | January 27, 2016 at 2:37 pm

    Ah, but remember, there IS no irony with T-rump.

    According to his cult, he has no responsibility for what he’s said the day-before-yesterday. That’s old an’ busted. ONLY his CURRENT bullshit is good bullshit!

    Dude! Get with it…

Trump is acting like the spoiled little rich boy who grew up, which is exactly what he is.

He says Megan Kelly is a third rate reporter, but he is to afraid to go face her.

There was nothing “bias” about her questions. He is the “leader” in the race he should expect to get the harder questions.

So here is a question for all you Trumpets out there; If he can’t even take on a “third rate reporter” how is he gonna face Hillary in a debate?

FOX News host Greta Van Susteren asked her conservative viewers if they will tune in to Thursday’s GOP debate now that Donald Trump has announced he will not participate.

83% of viewers said they WILL NOT watch the debate.

CHECKMATE TRUMP

Yesterday Bret Baer has added David Gregory from NBC as one of its analysts to talk about Trump and Megyn Kelly had a love fest with the fat pig Michael Moore.

If that plus the childish press release from Ailes yesterday doesn’t show Fox and Ailes have gone in the tank for Establishment what would?

Trump is right to have the gonads to tell Ailes to shove it.

John Bolton had an interesting observation about this yesterday. He felt that part of Trump’s decision to stiff Fox is that Trump is thinking many moves ahead to when Trump is general election candidate and negotiating debate terms with networks. By walking now against Fox a future Trump threat to walk during general election will have 100 times the credibility because he has already done it once against Fox. If Ambassador Bolton is correct then Trump is even a bigger genius and strategist than even I ever thought.

The majority of conservative pundits are all saying skipping debate hurts Trump. Of course these are same morons who said Trump won’t run and Trump will never last and Trump’s support will max out at 20%.

So naturally since all tgese conservative pundits agree this hurts Trump then..

THE CORRECT ANSWER IS THIS HELPS TRUMP!!

Do any of you read Scott Adam’s blog (Dilbert?). Regardless of your politics, he is interesting as he discusses “Talent Stacks” and systems vs. goal’s,and analyzes the Trump campaign, Sanders surge, etc. Check out yesterday’s post, and the older ones about Trump’s “stack”

http://blog.dilbert.com/post/138125409321/trump-fox-news-and-megyn-kelly-explained-master

Another point of view I find interesting is Stefan Molyneux. (I like the Canadian/British accent!)
He looks at what Trump is doing with Fox in the context of Trump the dealmaker.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mekv7wyjGoY

He also has an interesting rebuttal to economist Thomas Sowell who, surprisingly, was all-in on the National Review Trump hit piece.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yyoauXmzjg

Molyneux and Mark Steyn manage to be logical, and find the humor. I am really enjoying the drama in both party primaries. Wonder what Obama really said to Bernie in their one-on-one today??? I notice Sanders included Biden in every mention of Obama and his “legacy” after the meeting.

    Ragspierre in reply to Floridamom. | January 27, 2016 at 6:29 pm

    You find it surprising that a clear-thinking Conservative economist would find Progressive liar T-rump (economics idiot) NOT good…!?!?!

    That tells us a lot.

      Skookum in reply to Ragspierre. | January 28, 2016 at 1:28 pm

      Both of Sowell’s recent hit pieces on Trump, published at Townhall and National Review, are completely void of valid logic. Molyneux dissects both brutally. Sowell has jumped the shark. It’s time for the statist geezer to retire.

This will hurt Fox the most.

I see it as a net neutral for Trump. Some, his enemies, will call him names like “scared” and “pussy.” Name-calling is for 3 year olds, and holds no sway in a rational argument. People that think about the issues and make their own decisions will not be swayed by juvenile name-calling.

Megyn Kelly, whom I previous have liked, has screwed the pooch on this one, letting her anger get in the way of objectivity.

This is gonna cost Fox big. Fox needs to dump her.

Here is something to watch for in both debates tomorrow. Will at least one or more of debate participants come out swinging to defend Trump and taking up Trump’s defense against BOTH Fox AND the other candidates.

If that happens those people will be auditioning to be Trump’s VP.

Most likely to make this move are Kasich or Huckabee. Christie isn’t smart enough to do it; Paul isn’t sane enough; the rest aren’t smart enough to know they have already lost.

    Ragspierre in reply to Gary Britt. | January 27, 2016 at 6:30 pm

    “Here is something to watch for in both debates tomorrow.”

    BOTH debates? You’re a moron.

      Yes both debates. Are you unaware that there will be two debates tomorrow?

      Nothing makes you look like a bigger FOOL than to have such basic simple facts WRONG and then start calling others names based on the fact that you are too STUPID to know their are two debates tomorrow.

      In the future it will save you much embarrassment if you try to make sure you have engaged your brain before typing out one of your little canned insult Cr7z talk8ng point posts.

Kelly should have refused to do it. Fox set up the entire debate to shoot down Trump. Any honest person would refuse to participate in anything like this circus is shaping up to be. Three anti-American extremists brought on to directly challenge one of the candidates.

The more the establishment takes cheap shots the more I like him. I like Carson but I wouldn’t have to hold my nose for Trump.

Hurt Trump? More like his Waterloo. Get him a new Trump Hat Style: Bicome.

Henry Hawkins | January 27, 2016 at 7:54 pm

“I like Trump! He’s a fighter!”

Assuming his supporters’ belief that FOX is out to get him is true, it seems like Trump is bravely ducking the fight.

Megan Kelly is merely an excuse. The Orange Donald shot himself in the foot and knows the others debaters will eat his lunch for him if he shows up for the debate.

Remember the kerfuffle over his ‘New York values’ in the last debate? Well, in the past week he expressed his support for Roe v Wade and said it was partially due to his ‘New York values’. Imagine that.

He also told us how well he got along with Pelosi, Schumer and Reid and would be able to make ‘deals’ with them. Out doing McConnell’s betrayal of conservatives isn’t exactly something I’m looking for in my candidate.

No, it isn’t Megan Kelly that the Orange fears, it’s his inconsistency on display is what he fears the most.

I’m reading that Fox and Google are bringing in an islamist and an illegal alien (off YouTube) to ask questions. If that’s true, then the question is

Ted Cruz! Why are you participating in a debate with an illegal alien and islamist????

Tell Fox Hell NO!

Any candidate that meekly submits to this attempt to legitimize illegals or islamics is going to pay a price.

I think Chris Matthews is correct when he said who is going to want to tune in to watch the two cubans go at each other.

    JackRussellTerrierist in reply to Gary Britt. | January 27, 2016 at 11:47 pm

    Do you get a tingle up your leg when you look at the “O” formed by trump’s lips when he tawks? Kind of gets you hot, eh? As repulsive looking as the golden gargoyle is, as long as he’s got those “O” lips going for him, he’s your boy, eh? It’s okay. We understand. Maybe when this is all over you can get a bromance going with him. Of course, he’ll be 70 by then, and he’s already looking pretty long in the fangs tooth.

    Give our regards to Chrissy, your new BFF. 🙂

    Ragspierre in reply to Gary Britt. | January 28, 2016 at 7:14 am

    Have you noticed how TrumpBart BIG GOVERNMENT is more and more aptly named, you lying butt boi for Donald Ducks?

    Breitbart LOATHED Duh Donald. What a crime the pukes who use his name should be propagandists for T-rump.

      “Breitbart LOATHED Duh Donald.”

      Citation?

        Ragspierre in reply to Barry. | January 28, 2016 at 10:09 am

        https://youtu.be/DRFw8C2sPw0

        I’m pretty sure I saw or read comments by Andrew WRT Trump as a threat to the TEA party.

        But that’s all the time I have for spoon-feeding today. Look…don’t look…up to you.

          “But that’s all the time I have for spoon-feeding today”

          Well, you’ve made the assertion more than once. It’s fair to ask for the source since I found nothing.

          I listened, as painful as it is. I’ve heard it before.

          I think we can safely characterize this as your opinion with no substantial evidence. It certainly is not in that video. What is there: AB did not think Trump was a conservative. Neither do I. That does not imply “loathing”.

Kelly is not the best paid TV “personality” but she is now the most expensive.

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