Key to Hillary conspiracy to subvert classification system revealed?
if Hillary is not indicted, it’s because someone at DOJ doesn’t want her indicted.
One of the mysteries of the Hillary email scandal has been how over 1000 emails containing various levels of classified material were sent to Hillary without being “marked” as classified. It is that lack of emails being “marked” classified “at the time” that is Hillary’s central defense.
On September 25, 2015, Kemberlee wrote that there must have been some signal to State Department employees to send the classified material without markings; there’s just no way it could be coincidence and Hillary must have known. Some dare say conspiracy: Who will be first Hillary aide to flip on her?:
Was there a concerted conspiracy to violate the law, particularly given the fact that Clinton opted for a private email on her person server? Who else knew classified information was being transmitted outside of government purview?
If any of these suspicions are confirmed throughout the course of the FBI’s investigation, will aides then be offered legal concessions if they cooperate?
What were once Clinton’s closest lackeys may end up being her downfall.
We may not need to wait for an aide to flip on Hillary.
As detailed by Ed Morrissey at Hot Air, a newly released email shows Hillary instructing a State Department employee to remove classification markings before faxing a document since a secure fax device could not be located:
Has the State Department released a smoking gun in the Hillary Clinton e-mail scandal? In a thread from June 2011, Hillary exchanges e-mails with Jake Sullivan, then her deputy chief of staff and now her campaign foreign-policy adviser, in which she impatiently waits for a set of talking points. When Sullivan tells her that the source is having trouble with the secure fax, Hillary then orders Sullivan to have the data stripped of its markings and sent through a non-secure channel.
That should be game, set, and match, yes?
“If they can’t, turn into nonpaper w no identifying heading and send nonsecure.” That’s an order to violate the laws handling classified material. There is no other way to read that demand. Regardless of whether or not Sullivan complied, this demolishes Hillary’s claim to be ignorant of marking issues, as well as strongly suggests that the other thousand-plus instances where this did occur likely came under her direction.
I’m not surprised that this happened, I am surprised that Hillary was sloppy enough to have herself tied so directly to such an instruction.
I expected it to be more of an unwritten “understanding” among aides and State Department employees. Since Hillary was off the State Department secure grid, they would have known they could not send classified material to her personal email account.
But they had to send her classified material to do their job, because she was Secretary of State. So through a nod or a wink or some hint, they failed to mark and/or removed markings from thousands of emails sent to Hillary.
If it was just a nod and a wink, prosecutors might have had a hard time bringing charges of conspiracy against Hillary. But now, in this email, Hillary took an affirmative step as part of the conspiracy and thus became part of it.
Hillary’s sloppiness in covering her tracks is demonstrated by a 2011 email in which she criticized another employee for using a personal email account. The NY Times reports:
In February 2011, senior aides sent Mrs. Clinton a dispatch from the officer, John Godfrey, analyzing the situation in Libya. She asked whom he worked for. When told he was a State Department employee, she responded, “I was surprised that he used personal email account if he is at State.”
So Hillary received over 1000 classified emails which inexplicably were not marked classified, and she instructed at least one person to remove classified markings from a fax sent to her.
There has long been a belief that classification markings were stripped from communications, as this August 2015 Fox News report indicates:
“Hillary only used her personal account for unclassified email. No information in her emails was marked classified at the time she sent or received them,” campaign Communications Director Jennifer Palmieri said in a statement to supporters Wednesday.
But a State Department official told Fox News that the intelligence community inspector general, who raised the most recent concerns about Clinton’s emails, made clear that at least one of those messages contained information that only could have come from the intelligence community.
“If so, they would have had to come in with all the appropriate classification markings,” the official said.
The official questioned whether someone, then, tampered with that message. “[S]omewhere between the point they came into the building and the time they reached HRC’s server, someone would have had to strip the classification markings from that information before it was transmitted to HRC’s personal email.”
The official said doing so would “constitute a felony, in and of itself. I can’t imagine that a rank-and-file career DOS employee would have done this, so it was most likely done by someone in her inner circle.”
The messages apparently contained satellite imagery and signals intelligence, information that diplomats cannot unilaterally obtain.
Yet, like the Clinton campaign, the State Department public affairs team also maintains that the emails were “not marked classified” when Clinton received them.
“None of them were classified at the time,” department spokesman Mark Toner said.
At this point, if Hillary is not indicted for conspiracy it’s because someone at DOJ doesn’t want her indicted. Or maybe they’re still waiting for State Department employees to flip on her.
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Expected (bullshit) defense: “Yeah, that must have been a staffer using my email.”
“I was HACKED…!!!”
There’s no possible excuse. None.
Indict. Try. Incarcerate. Repeat as needed.
“Indict. Try. Incarcerate. Repeat as needed.”
Unfortunately it is more likely to be “Elect. Re-elect. Retire as needed.
Somewhere in this country today, someone will steal a loaf of bread because he is hungry and will do more time than Hillary ever will.
Equal has a different meaning when you are a Clinton.
I think that you may be mixing things up a bit here, and, as a result, are painting with much too wide of a brush. The basic problem I see is that most of those now classified emails may have contained information that would ultimately be classified, but the emails, or the information in them, had not, yet, been classified at the time that Herself received them. Most everyone involved likely knew that most of it would ultimately be classified. But, the emails had not yet been classified. This is not to say that Herself probably committed numerous federal crimes and should be tried for such, but rather, that it is more subtle than is normally portrayed.
Still, this email is interesting. She is, apparently, ordering her minion to commit a federal crime. Which would, of course, also be a federal crime. But even more so, I think, she has to some extent negated her innocent receipt of email defense. Some of the emails that she received very likely did have classified markings of some sort, which had been removed. IN particular, we have seen this with emails that contain information that would have come to the State Dept. already classified. (Clinton and her minions controlled the classification of information that originated in the State Dept (which is why she can claim that most of it was classified later), but not information that originated in other parts of the govt).
My understanding (much of it gleaned here), is that it does not matter to the law if it was marked or not.
You are correct. Hillary knew the which messages were classified, whether marked or unmarked. She simply attempted to bypass the classification system, perhaps thinking that she was a very important person, and such people typically get a pass in DC. After all, laws are for the little people.
Actually, making things worse – it was under her authority that State Department documents were classified. Apparently, she was one of maybe a half dozen or so people in the Obama Administration would had initial classification authority (my guess for the others – Obama, Biden, Sec. of Defense, Head of national security…) Everyone else in the govt. who could classify data did so under the delegated authority of one of these few people. One thing that this apparently means is that she had had extra training in classification and maintaining national secrets. Which, of course, she ignored.
One expert labeled some of the information “born classified,” meaning that certain types of information are treated as classified as soon as it is acquired, and appropriate laws apply immediately. As SoS, Hillary was responsible for knowing this.
There is no reason to believe that the information in the 1,200+ emails containing classified information on Hillary’s server weren’t classified at the moment they were written.
The fact that they weren’t marked as classified by the authors and readers is another crime. Everyone who handles classified information is trained to identify classified information and to mark them as such. When these emails were written/read by Hillary and her staff they broke the law by not marking them as classified.
At least one of the emails containing top secret information was written by one of Hillary’s staff who read the information on a classified server and used that information to write the email before they sent it to Hillary.
I don’t think that is how it works. For the emails to be classified, someone has to go through and classify them. Much of what she was dealing with would ultimately be classified, but she likely saw at least some of it, maybe much of it, before it had been formally classified. No one had yet gone through the emails deciding that this one contained Top Secret information, this one only contained Secret information, etc. Yes, the emails contained sensitive information that she legally shouldn’t have exposed to an unsecured server. But, her job essentially required that much of what she saw was seen almost immediately after it had been generated. This, BTW, is essentially one of her earlier excuses – that the email she received had not been marked as classified at some level. The problem is that what I was talking about above about information that is not yet classified concerned information generated somewhere in the State Department. Information from other departments and agencies comes in already classified, and finding some of that without its customary security markings first alerted people to the sort of thing that this email strongly suggests – removing security markings in order to send it by regular, unclassified, email to Herself.
There is no organization that reviews every document to determine if it contains classified information. Every person authorized to handle classified information is given training so they can identify and label classified information. If they fail to do this they have committed a crime mishandling classified information. Both the authors and readers of documents have this responsibility.
At a minimum, Hillary has demonstrated either her complete incompetence when it comes to national security, or her complete indifference. Either should disqualify her from any office of public trust.
The default assumption is that every bit of information is classified, unless there is a clear reason for it not to be so. classified information, such as signals intelligence and satelite imagery is classified at the highest level by the originating agency, a different agency cannot declassify it on their own, the declassification rights lie with the originator. Further, information such as her recollections of conversations with other world leaders are classified the moment they are recorded.
If you don’t know how it works, why are you giving an opinion in which ‘knowing how it works’ is required in order to render the opinion?
Typically speaking, if you are working with a system that handles classified information, you would also have a rule book that tells you what is classified for that system.
It’s a pretty big deal, because if you are not careful, you can actually reveal classified information by putting the unclassified stuff together right (or wrong, depending on how you look at it), so anyone working with a system that has that stuff potentially floating around in it is expected to know what is, or should be, classified just based on the guidelines.
That isn’t how classification works. Everyone handling classified material is expected to know what is or should be classified and at what level, and if in doubt to seek clarification before disseminating it further. Material is not classified only after someone reviews and marks it. It is classified or not from the moment of its origination. Honest mistakes may happen, but even clearly honest mistakes are often dealt with fairly stringently.
It should be absolutely clear that “It wasn’t marked classified at the time” is a complete dodge of the actual issue and has, as a defense, no basis in the law regarding handling such material.
Not only is she ordering a minion to commit a felony she is committing one herself by giving that order. Because of her position as the SoS she has the same power as a commanding officer in combat to her workers. If she gave an unlawful order then she too is guilty.
Biden’s sudden expression of regret re: not running for POTUS is highly suspicious.
Perhaps he knows something.
Maybe Hillary is truly and finally burnt toast.
Pending any indictment prior to Nov. 8th, it could be very telling on how regretful Joe really is on “ought’a, should’ve, could’ves”.
As Hillary didn’t inform the State Dept IT people about her serve it didn’t have the software required to mark emails as containing classified information. This means that it would have been impossible for her staff or her to make emails to indicate that they contained classified information.
Furthermore, as no one in government is suppose to send classified information via email outside of the special government network for classified information all the emails containing classified information on Clinton’s server were written and read by Clinton and her staff. They didn’t mark these emails as containing classified information.
Have you ever heard of a scanner? That is what most people would use to copy several pages of material to send via e-mail. That is where they clipped off or blocked the headings from the classified pages. Don’t be such a hillary protector as to make yourself look stupid.
Not being a Hillary protector. She is responsible for her serve and that it didn’t have the software required to mark emails. That means she can’t use the defense that “the emails weren’t marked as classified” because it was impossible for her or her staff to mark these emails as classified and that is solely her fault.
Clinton not informing the State dept about her server to use in communications as secretary of state is, er, a transgression MUCH greater than whether she subsequently marked emails as classified. Clinton sending emails as secretary of state outside a government server is a MUCH greater problem than whether she marked the emails as confidential.
This is akin to Clinton shooting her parents (she’s probably contract it out) then crying she’s an orphan.
“if Hillary is not indicted, it’s because someone at DOJ doesn’t want her indicted.”
Sorry, but that’s just not right.
If Hillary is not indicted, it’s because Barack Hussein Obama doesn’t want her indicted.
Ding-ding-ding! We have a winner!
I have a dream.
A dream that hitlery is indicted despite obama’s best efforts not to take her to trial.
Because if she does go to trial, I have a dream she spills the beans on obama and his acolytes and the democrat party implodes leaving the residue of their intolerance and bigotry on the dung heap of history.
It’s clear that Obama despises Hillary. He hasn’t openly attacked her because it would destroy the Democrat Party and more importantly because she knows enough to destroy him and his beloved legacy.
The only way Hillary gets indicted and fairly prosecuted is if there remain enough principled people in the FBI and the DOJ to deny Obama control of the process. (Think Nixon losing control of the DOJ in the Watergate scandal.)
On Obama’s orders Lynch will refuse to prosecute if she can get away with it. If she and Obama are forced to indict Hillary to retain control of the FBI and DOJ we can expect them to try to sabotage the prosecution.
There really isn’t a good way out of this mess for either Hillary or Obama if there is a shred of integrity left in the FBI and the DOJ.
Absolutely. Obama intends to ride the same national and international gravy train into his sunset as Bill has. What Hillary is to Bill, so is Michelle to Obama. You don’t prosecute the “hand that feeds the machine” and allows you to have a global play yard with unaccountable power and money.
Yesterday’s flower children are today’s blooming idiots.
It is not possible to send a classified email from a classified server to a non classified server. The email must be copied from the classified server to some sort of media and moved to the non classified server where it will be uploaded and then sent.
Clinton has/had classified emails on her personal server so someone must have sent them via this method. What other conclusion is there?
If I had done this at the same time she did, I would be in the third year of my ten year sentence.
Absolutely correct. Classified systems are airgapped, and are not connected in any way shape or form to the outside world. someone must have “sneaker netted” the data in order to send it to her. that someone committed a felony. Further she committed a felony every time one of them was sent to her personal server.
Bingo, American Human and Rorschach256. Just to add (as Hayden pointed out above) HRC possessed OCA, original classification authority, which means that she had special training on how to recognize classified material. She has absolutely no excuse for having classified material on her open server and failing to immediately report it, unplug the server, and hand it to authorities. That’s SOP, and she knows it.
I’ll bet that she’ll try to claim OCA in her own defense, saying that she declassified the material before it was put on the web. That might buy her some time. There is no way, however, that she can claim to have declassified 1300 pages worth without having consulted with the originators of the information. It don’t work that way.
Hillary’s staff could sit down with one terminal reading classified documents and another composing an email containing the classified information that they sent to her.
If she’s not indicted, it’s because we are no longer a nation of laws.
As the Supreme court has already shown us via Obamacare on two occasions.
C’mon. That email is from over FOUR YEARS AGO. What difference, at this point, does it make?
1) Obama is kept informed by DOJ and State on the depth and breadth of Hillary’s criminal exposure as email dumps are made.
2) Obama will only support the Democrat candidate most likely to protect his legacy and expand on his American transformation.
3) Hillary, like most Democrats, understands that gun control, while laudable (from their point of view), costs Democrats heavily every time they make it part of a campaign platform. Hillary, while giving lip service to gun control publicly for liberal/radical consumption, has no intention of doing anything on gun control as president.
4) Hillary likely has other positions that conflict with Obama’s, already in evidence as to foreign policy.
5) Joe Biden, out of nowhere, recently arranged a media interview wherein he stated his regrets for not having run for president in this cycle, a bookend for his ‘I’m not running’ WH lawn speech that sounded exactly like a speech one gives when announcing a run (having been advised by Obama to keep the door open).
6) Obama decides Hillary is not the horse he wants to pull his transformative wagon, recognizes that sufficient evidence against Hillary exists that even congressional Democrats will abandon her, that the Obama administration will be unable to avoid prosecution by the DOJ; in other words, Hillary is toast.
7) Obama orders DOJ to prepare prosecutions.
8) Obama looks at Bernie Sanders and thinks, ‘yeah, uh.. no.’
9) Joe Biden is set up to sweep in, a hero of the progressive left coming to save the day.
10) Ten months of hilarity ensues as Uncle Joe fumbles, bumbles, and mumbles his way into political oblivion.
Please, oh please, oh PLEASE, make it so.
“3) Hillary, like most Democrats, understands that gun control, while laudable (from their point of view), costs Democrats heavily every time they make it part of a campaign platform. Hillary, while giving lip service to gun control publicly for liberal/radical consumption, has no intention of doing anything on gun control as president.”
Being pro-gun control makes it harder to get elected – why would anyone not serous about it run on such a platform?
Why would the GOP shoehorn in the likes of McCain and Romney as nominees? Parties do stupid stuff all the time. This is why registered Democrats and Republicans are roughly 25% each of registered voters, both numbers falling fast, while independent/unaffiliated are over 40% and rising fast.
Both parties are dying, and for very good reasons.
My daydream is to watch the Donald debate the wicked witch of the east. I think that would be a real hoot! I don’t expect much good from politics or politicians these days, but at least I can be amused and entertained on occassion.
And what better entertainer than Joe Biden?
Trump’s debate skills are terrible. The only thing he might accomplish is to get her mad enough with insults that she displays her anger and throws something at him, like a water pitcher or something. It would not be because he knows very much or how to win a debate on points.
I think anybody rooting for Hillary, no matter the reason, is afraid of Cruz. She just won’t debate him. She’ll refuse. Hillary is canned and rote, not facile at all. She’d get in a couple good lines and whine a lot, that’s about it.
Trump will make a jackass out of himself as he always does. I think the ‘rats would love to see Trump get the ‘pub nomination. Trump won’t know the difference when she’s lying because he’s never been exposed to the inner intel and machine of the feds, whereas Cruz knows all that stuff. Cruz can and will call bullsh!t on her. Trump will just make stupid faces.
Hillary has violated the laws handling classified material. She had made U.S. citizens unsafe…and not the NRA.
Hillary – the vast spite-wing conspiracy.
That is how I’m reading the tea leaves as well.
She’s been sloppy about everything. She is not as smart as she thinks she is.
The subway says “mind the gap” … the laws are as clear for keeping a gap between the internet and government secured resources.
Not only did she find away to secret them away to her servers, but she made SO much emphasis on “they weren’t marked secret when I had them”. This indicates mens rea, intent to deceive. And she has a history, given the Clinton secrets carried outside the confines (and destroyed) via the socks of Sandy Burgler.
And these are the half of the emails she did NOT think needed to be deleted. Maybe she really does have some serious health problems, and Bill as well. A health breakdown and exit stage right may be in the cards.
Conspiracy theory: Hillary staffers who needed the job but hated the boss saw a chance to stick it to Hillary when she tasked them to identify and delete damaging emails. Sure, Madam Secretary. We’ll take care of it. Don’t you worry.
Look at the body language on Bill Clinton in that photo, and notice his hand closest to the corrupt old crow next to him being safely and deeply tucked away into his pocket.
Even he can’t stand her.
Good gawd, of course he can’t stand her. She probably can’t stand him, either. The humiliation he has visited on her is mind-boggling, and her staying with him is even more mind-boggling except when you consider their long-shared objective of returning to the WH. The only difference between them isn’t their spite for each other; it’s who is better at using whom.
If Hillary goes away (as she should), I don’t see Biden stepping in, even though he seems to be signaling that he will. The Obamas are the smartest people in the room, so I would look for “Obama (Michelle) – Warren 2016”. And that’s the scenario that gets Hillary sent up the river, although more likely a quiet plea bargain to probation in exchange for silence.
You lost me on ‘the obamas are the smartest people in the room.’
Let us not forget that political power and influence allowed Teddy Kennedy to dodge manslaughter charges and go on to a long and illustrious career in politics. After that, nothing about political corruption of the justice system, or the voting public’s indifference to it, has ever really surprised me.
That was a time where the corrupt American news media was not yet known to be corrupt, and had a monopoly on news.
Fortunately, the monopoly is over.
Shouldn’t there be an independent prosecutor or investigation at this point into this nightmare scandal that has put our nation at risk?
My fear is that to prevent a Trump presidency the administration WILL NOT proceed with an indictment even though the evidence will be overwhelming and voluminous. Democrats will justify it by saying, “well, George Bush stole the election in Florida”. This will further the divide in the country to the point where you would think it was 1860 and not 2016 should the hag win.
Hmm, what other presidency would that prevent?
I love how Bill is pointing his finger gun right at Hillary head/career!
That picture is perfect for a caption contest for Bill.
My entry: “I’m with stupid.”
The sad reality is that HRC will never see the light of a jail cell. The various scenarios are pretty obvious. In the end, Obama will pardon her “for the good of the country”, leaving her various minions to take the eventual fall.