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Trump, Cruz Hit Rubio on Amnesty

Trump, Cruz Hit Rubio on Amnesty

Rubio’s involvement with the Gang of Eight at issue

As the Republican presidential primary heats up, illegal immigration is again taking center stage.  While this is nothing new (as we know President Reagan attempted to address it in the ’80s, John McCain made it a priority in ’08, and on), the discussion has taken an interesting turn this election cycle.

At issue, of course, are Obama’s executive amnesty, the recent influx of illegal immigrants (including huge numbers of children), the vast number of illegals currently living and working in the U.S., border security (such as it is), and a host of related issues including the burden of illegal immigration on tax payers in terms of jobs, health care, schooling, police and judicial involvement, and various entitlement costs.

Marco Rubio’s involvement with the Gang of Eight, particularly his decision to work closely with Chuck Schumer, has not gone unnoticed by either the conservative base nor by the other presidential hopefuls.

Donald Trump states that Rubio’s support for amnesty is “because he’s Hispanic.”

Watch:

This seems to be an off-the-cuff remark and not his campaign’s message; he also does not reject the idea of Rubio as his VP running mate should he win the GOP nomination.

Another presidential candidate, Ted Cruz, stated that he literally laughed out loud at Rubio’s claim that his position on illegal immigration is the same as Cruz’s.

Politico reports:

[Cruz] told reporters after, “In the “Gang of Eight” fight Marco chose to stand with Chuck Schumer and to lead the fight tooth and nail for a massive amnesty plan. I chose to stand with [Alabama Sen.] Jeff Sessions and to lead the fight to defeat amnesty.”

Cruz’s broadside was the latest in an escalating feud between the two senators that blew up in the wake of Tuesday’s fourth GOP debate, during which both had strong performances. Rubio over the past couple of days has tried to equate Cruz’s record on immigration which his own more relatively conciliatory one, while Cruz has pushed back hard on those efforts.

“I have to admit that I laughed out loud at that,” Cruz said earlier Friday on Mike Gallagher’s radio show, in response to Rubio’s assertion on Thursday that they held similar views on immigration reform. He went on to add, “that statement was truly stunning. That’s like Obama saying my position is the same as his on Obamacare. That’s like Ayatollah Khamenei saying my position is the same as his on the Iranian nuclear deal.”

Cruz, you may recall, led the fight against the Rubio-Schumer Gang of Eight amnesty bill.  Watch:

And the bill was stopped in its tracks.

[Featured image via Breitbart]

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It’s Cruz’s criticism which packs the most punch. I don’t really care about Trump, he’s just like that demented old ranter on the corner who spews mindless invective through spittle-flecked flews at anyone he reckons “looked at him funny.”

Cruz is the real deal. He’s got the experience on this issue, the moral authority on this issue, and the earned respect on this issue to be taken seriously.

If anyone is going to destroy Rubio over amnesty, it’s going to be Ted Cruz.

    Erudite Mavin in reply to Amy in FL. | November 15, 2015 at 7:07 pm

    Rubio does not support amnesty.

    Might want to check out who does.

    Ted Cruz interview with Megyn Kelly: Once again Cruz dodges question on Amnesty. WHY? Convenience?

    August 30, 2015 in Tea Party Nation Forum

    On Wednesday August 25, 2015 Ted Cruz was interviewed by Megyn Kelly on the issue of Birthright Citizenship. Ted Cruz had already answered his position on Birthright Citizenship when Kelly asked him the Amnesty portion of the Issue. What would Ted Cruz do with the Illegal Alien Parents and the now U.S. Citizen Anchor Babies? Clearly this is an Amnesty question and one we the American voter needs a serious answer to.

    Cruz’s reply was very revealing, but not a surprise. Earlier this year, I was almost in Ted Cruz’s camp, really taken in by his on stage performances, but I knew I had to do serious vetting first. I started with Immigration Policy and found some very alarming and disturbing goals that the Senator holds. Primarily disastrous positions on Legal Immigration and his equally disastrous position on Amnesty. I’ll give the proof shortly.

    So back to the Megyn Kelly interview. How did Cruz reply to Megyn Kelly? He dodged the question by attempting to change the question to one on Border Security and pushing the Amnesty issue off the table, as if he was above having to answer his position to the American People. When Kelly pressed him harder he attempted to change the conversation again by accusing Kelly of playing a game. Sadly the one playing the game was not Megyn Kelly.

    Ted Cruz’s answer was almost word for word the same talking points he used during the Gang of Eight Amnesty debate; EXCEPT, that he conveniently omitted the part where he discloses his support for the Gang of Eight Amnesty, including Legal Status and Work Permits. Which is exactly what determines Amnesty! Now that Ted Cruz is running for President he has swept the details of his Amnesty agenda under the carpet and sums his position up by simple saying he is against Amnesty and says nothing else to explain what he means by that or what he would do with the 11-20 million Illegal Aliens already here.

    Ted Cruz has in fact made a history of attempting to change the Amnesty question into another facet of Immigration: Border Security or Citizenship. Both issues while Immigration related do not directly relate to Amnesty. Citizenship has nothing directly to do with Amnesty, they don’t have Citizenship, so you can’t Amnesty them for that. You can only amnesty them for the crimes they have committed being here Illegally and holding American jobs illegally or other crimes committed. Those are the only violations that qualify for Amnesty and Cruz is by his own words is willing to give them both Legal Status and Workers Permits. You don’t rob a bank and get to keep the money once you get caught, well Ted Cruz is willing, is in a sense, to let them keep the money.

    Is Ted Cruz one of many politicians who don’t know what Amnesty is or is he just playing a game? You decide for yourself, listen to Ted Cruz in the 2013 video and then listen to the Megyn Kelly interview. Ted Cruz is attempting to blur the Amnesty Issue with Citizenship or Border Security, a common practice of Pro-Amnesty Politicians who also love the words “Out of the Shadows”, just like Ted Cruz.

    Yes, Ted Cruz can be for Border Security and also for Amnesty but the American People deserve to know where he stands. Sadly according to Ted Cruz’s actions, now that he is running for president he likes to pretend we have to buy Ted Cruz for President to find out what’s inside his plan. Sadly that sounds a lot like somebody else to me.
    Ted Cruz has a moral responsibility to let the American Voter know where he stands on Amnesty and explain exactly what he would do with Illegal Aliens already here. The same as he and any politician has the moral responsibility to say how they stand on Abortion, Gun Control or a variance of other issues. Watch the first 2 videos and you decide!
    This video shows Cruz supporting Amnesty via Legal Status and Worker Permits
    (Go to 45 min 15 seconds into the Interview for the Immigration portion): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EangNYS0K0&index=13
    Cruz’s latest interview with Megyn Kelly, where he omits his Amnesty agenda and refuses to answer but includes much of the same talking points as in 2013.

    rhg12_98 in reply to Amy in FL. | November 16, 2015 at 2:50 pm

    I consider myself conservative and I actually read the Rubio bill (I may be the only one who did) and I am satisfied with it. Cruz’s plan is virtually identical.

    Rubio’s bill requires a 700 mile border fence, millions in new border protection technology, and 35,000 border agents. It requires that the border measures are independently verified as 90% effective. Only after all of the border securities are in place and certified effective, then some illegals can be granted a work permit, and subsequently they have to wait 10 years (yes, 10 years) before they can register for citizenship. There is a relatively narrow pass/fail test that will end in the deportation of a significant percentage of the illegals during this process.

    If the other candidates have a more pragmatic plan, then let’s see the detail (which Rubio so boldly put out in 1,000 pages of detail).

    If the answer is we will round 11 million people up (gestapo style), then the Republican party will likely not survive it. How will you find and deport 11 million people, who have full access to our court system as illegals (yes, you probably don’t realize there is a lengthy, mandatory process to deport people). Night after night of CNN playing clips of hispanic mothers being torn away from screaming children; only to find out that the mother cleaned the Texas governor’s bother’s house during the deportation hearings. Political suicide for the Republican party.

    You get the picture. And by the way, so does Cruz… he has the same plan (substantively) as Rubio.

      Milhouse in reply to rhg12_98. | November 16, 2015 at 2:56 pm

      The probem is that merely talking about amnesty and paths to citizenship before the border is secured exacerbates the problem. Of course some such arrangement will eventually have to be made, everyone understands that, but it can’t be discussed until the border is secure. Cruz understands that; Rubio didn’t and may still not.

Trump is great. AGAIN on Saturday, in Texas, he brought on stage at his rally, parents who are members of the saddest group in the country: The Remembrance Project.

About 5 of them were there, and they showed pictures of their family members that died at the hands of illegal aliens, and Trump AGAIN gave them the microphone to tell their sad stories.

Denigrate him as a “ranter.” This is the kind of ranting we need, and these American citizens deserve.

    Erudite Mavin in reply to CloseTheFed. | November 15, 2015 at 7:14 pm

    Trump knows the low information voters believe him.

    Trump open to letting some long-term illegal immigrants stay

    On Fox News this morning, Donald Trump said that even though he’s one of the world’s “very conservative” persons, he’s open to a much softer approach on dealing with some long-term illegal immigrants.

    Donald Trump On Amnesty: ‘If Somebody’s Been Outstanding, We Try And Work Something Out’ [VIDEO]

    Jamie Weinstein 07/24/2015

    Appearing on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe” Friday, host Joe Scarborough asked Trump what he would do about the estimated 11 million illegal immigrants living in the country once America secured its southern border. …saying the first thing America needs to do is “take the bad” illegal immigrants and “get them the hell out,” Trump sounded like he was open to providing some type of pathway to legalization for the remainder.

    “And then the other ones — and I’m a very big believer in merit system, I have to tell you,” Trump said. “Because some of these people have been here, they’ve done a good job, you know, in some cases sadly they’ve been living under the shadows.”

    “We have to do something,” he continued. “So whether it’s merit or whether it’s whatever, but I’m a believer in the merit system. If somebody’s been outstanding, we try and work something out

    “For people that have been here for years that have been hard-workers, have good jobs, they’re supporting their family — it’s very, very tough to just say ‘By the way, 22 years, you have to leave. Get out.’
    …. I’m one of the world’s very conservative people, but I have to tell you on a human basis, how do you throw somebody out that’s lived in this country for twenty years.”
    http://gop12.thehill.com/2012/06/trump-open-to-letting-some-long-term.html

      Radegunda in reply to Erudite Mavin. | November 15, 2015 at 9:44 pm

      It’s funny to see all the down-votes you’ve gotten for a post that’s mostly quotations from Trump himself.

      Who would down-vote that, except for Trump fans? Do Trump fans disapprove of informing people about Trump’s own words?

        Observer in reply to Radegunda. | November 16, 2015 at 6:55 am

        Perhaps they were down-voting the first sentence of that comment, which denigrates Trump supporters as “low information voters.”

Both Cruz and Trump are great, and compliment each other. It’d be an amazing ticket, and an amazing administration.

By allowing himself to be led around by the nose by Schumer, Rubio proved himself to be a rube — not a GOP leader to trust any more than we trust McCain or Graham, and their rino ilk.

Not only this is old but has been long brought up to reality.
Rubio is not on the same page as the 8 from a few year ago.
Rubio is not supporting what the desperate propaganda is attempting to dish out.

Might want to check out Ted Cruz who worked with the 8 for his H1B visa push.

November 13, 2015
Ted Cruz called for legalizing illegal aliens…in 2013

Ted Cruz, apparently during a debate over Marco Rubio’s Gang of 8 “Amnesty Bill,” calling for a provision that would legalize all 11-plus million illegal aliens. Cruz even used the liberal code phrase “out of the shadows.”

Ted Cruz Dodges Megyn Kelly’s Questions on Deportation
Republican presidential candidate Ted Cruz clashed with Fox News host Megyn Kelly on Tuesday night over whether the Texas senator would deport immigrants who came to the United States illegally if their children were born in the country.

When Kelly pressed the Texas senator on what he would do as president, Cruz said that he’s “not playing the game” and declined to answer the question. Kelly asked, “What would President Cruz do? Do American citizen children of two illegal immigrants, who are born here, the children, get deported under a President Cruz?”

Savvy deal making involves a little give for a lot of take.

What are we talking about? A hand full of people?

A substantial number of folks around Florida who know Marco also know that his record in elected office concerning anything related to immigration pre-dates his role in the Gang of Eight. We remember his actions and in-actions while serving as Speaker in Tallahassee (under the mentorship of Jeb Bush). We know the people with whom he associates both present and past, going back to his days on the City of West Miami Commission.

I am in alliance with many of Mr. Trumps articulated positions. However, Mr. Trump’s comment in this video is characteristic of one whose grasp of the social-political dynamics at play here are not fully formed. It is assumed by many that the battle over immigration policy is driven strictly by ethnocentricity, an understandable, albeit shallow and overly simplistic explanation. The number of entities which reap material gain from legal (H1B, J1, F1) and illegal immigration are several and interrelated and a discussion of their respective roles would fill a separate thread. But the common factors are money and power. Surely Mr. Trump is astute enough to appreciate this and hopefully one of his advisers will enlighten him.

OTOH, anyone, including Trump, who even considers putting Marco Rubio on their ticket will commit political suicide. Oh, I know there are plenty of folks who are easily duped by the glib talking politician who can check a minority box and has a sympathetic back story. For others all it takes is an “R” after a candidate’s name to garner their vote. But our country is reeling right now because of such misguided decisions by a gullible electorate with low expectations and standards.

Far too many of the so-called Republican reps we sent to DC have become mere pawns of special interest groups and have shown themselves to be little more than one trick ponies, willing to engage in show votes (especially true of those from Miami area).

So far, Sen. Cruz (and a handful of others)can assert that he has been willing to set himself apart from the herd. He has no background association with any in the open borders lobby groups that I’ve been able to find so far in my research. And he doesn’t present himself as primarily a hyphenated American, unlike Marco Rubio. I’d almost bet that if he were to start talking deportations and a suspension of H1B visas and closing the borders to anymore so-called refugees, his poll numbers would surpass Mr. Trump’s overnight.

1 Cruz
2 Trump

The problem with amnesty is not an amnesty itself. Cruz knows that eventually some sort of amnesty will be not just necessary but desirable. The problem is that so long as the border lies wide open, any talk of amnesty, and especially any talk of a deadline for an eventual amnesty, motivates more people to get in over the line and under the wire. That’s why Cruz is right to refuse to discuss the matter at all until the border has been secured. Once that has been done, the next step is to identify as many as possible of the dangerous criminals (and perhaps even terrorists) who took advantage of the open border, and imprison or deport them. Only then can we have a reasonable and useful discussion about what to do with the remainder. Any attempt to preempt that discussion, or to talk about what position one may take in that future discussion, can only do harm.

    TX-rifraph in reply to Milhouse. | November 16, 2015 at 8:46 am

    Well stated — Thank you. Does one evaluate remodeling options while the house is still on fire? Is not “Containment” the first objective in a wildfire?

    Until the border is secure, nothing else matters in this arena. I think Cruz understands that priority.

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