Did Donald Trump win Round One with Megyn Kelly?
It ain’t over, ’til it’s over.
Megyn Kelly has not only been a rising star, she is at the top of the Fox News food chain, with the possible exception of Bill O’Reilly.
We explored her success — and anti-Fox News Media Matters’ frustration — in Megyn Kelly’s success must be driving Media Matters crazy-er.
Kelly had some uncomfortable on-air back and forth with Donald Trump during the first debate, particularly on the issue of how Trump treats women:
That was followed by a multi-day lambasting of Kelly by Trump post-debate, including the infamous (and disputed) “blood coming out of her eyes, or wherever” comment, resulting in Trump being uninvited from the RedState annaual gathering:
There then was a series of calls between Fox News head honcho Roger Ailes and Trump, and it seems that the network and Trump have kissed and made up.
Did Fox News surrender to Trump, as some have suggested, because the viewership sided with Trump?
The Legal Insurrection readership voted overwhelmingly that the Donald Trump – Megyn Kelly duel hurt The Megyn more than The Donald:
The readers may know best.
A YouGov Poll reached similar results. While more people agree with Kelly overall, of Republicans who watched the debate, more people side with Trump, as reported by HuffPo:
So when just a couple of days after the scuffle Kelly announced she was going on vacation, that was seen as a win for The Donald, the equivalent of Kelly being told by Fox News to take a time out.
From ‘The Kelly File’, Wednesday, 8/12/15:
MEGYN KELLY, FOX NEWS HOST: It’s been an interesting week. A long six months, without a vacation for yours truly, do you know that? It’s been six months since I’ve had a vacation. Just ask my assistant. So I’ll be taking the next week and a half off, spending some time with my husband and my kids, trying to relax. The big challenge is trying to put down the Electronica and unplug it. Can you do it? When you go on vacation, I am going to try to look at my little one’s faces and go for bike rides and play at the beach and not look at you. And when I see you back here on the 24th, we’ll pick it all up again. Have a great week. See you soon.
Now, that could just be a much needed rest.
This morning, Trump tweeted that Ailes called to assure him that Fox will cover him “fairly” going forward. According to two high-level Fox sources, Ailes’s diplomacy was the result of increasing concern inside Fox News that Trump could damage the network. Immediately following Thursday’s debate, Fox was deluged with pro-Trump emails. The chatter on Twitter was equally in Trump’s favor. “In the beginning, virtually 100 percent of the emails were against Megyn Kelly,” one Fox source, who was briefed on the situation, told me. “Roger was not happy. Most of the Fox viewers were taking Trump’s side.”
Jim Hoft at Gateway Pundit writes, Megyn Kelly Announces Immediate Vacation for 1.5 Weeks – Twitter Goes Wild:
On Friday an online petition was set up to bar Megyn Kelly from future GOP debates.
OVER 50,000 HAVE SIGNED THE PETITION–
But it’s just Round One. Kelly will be back, from her vacation and at the next Fox News debate.
UPDATE: Fox News apparently is not happy with the conjecture as to Kelly’s vacation, and pins the blame on the Trump campaign:
Blistering statement out from Fox News spokesperson tonight, going after Donald Trump pic.twitter.com/Y02rDE66Mj
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She doesn’t get to play the ‘wounded, offended, proper, and serious woman’ card when she’s making dirty jokes with Howard Stern in a national venue.
Her concern was no more real than the ‘black lives matter’ crowd. Hint; if it was real they would stop shooting each other and encourage other young black men to do the same.
Hint; if Kelly was offended by Trump she would have been stunned senseless by Stern.
You don’t beat Trump with nothing and that’s what Kelly was/had nothing.
Except that Howard Stern has never made a serious attempt to become the next president of the United States.
Trump could have given any of a dozen different more gracious answers, and been done with it. Instead, he played the ass and followed with a flame-war on twitter that belies how classless and arrogant the man is.
We’ve had over six years of that kind of “leadership” already, and I can’t imagine supporting someone who is just more of the same, simply because he’s now pretending to be conservative.
Where did she play the “wounded, offended, proper, and serious woman” card? Please cite a quote.
I saw her in the debate, and I saw her after she returned to work a few days after the debate and The Donald’s twitter tantrum.
A video link would be nice, because I completely missed it.
It’s Donald who is pretending to be the wounded, offended, proper, and serious candidate.
According to NPR, Hillary threw a BS flag on that last. She said he’s having the time of his life, because he is getting all the attention.
She along with Brett Baier and Chris Wallace, were way out of line. Our first chance to look at everyone on the stage at once (well, almost everyone) and Fox decides to play gotcha instead of methodically asking position-oriented questions. That is what the Republican voters wanted to hear. But they wanted drama so it is not surprising that there is blowback.
I suspect the next debate will be more traditional 60s style than the soap opera style that Fox adopted.
Kelly looked a little tight on her show right before her “vacation” was announced. I think Ailes needs to protect her (she is by far their most valuable property) a little bit and this time off will do her good. Hopefully she (and Baier and Wallace) can look back on this as a mistake in judgment.
Wallace has demonstrated consistently increasing smugness the last couple of years. I would be surprised if we see any improvement from him.
But, Kelly had the center moderator’s seat, and the tone of the moderation clearly took on the air of Kelly’s news analysis show. Flirty, snarky news analysis is one thing; bringing that attitude to what is supposedly a serious debate is another altogether.
I am less annoyed at Fox News kissing Trump’s ass than when it kisses Obama’s or Saudi asses. Ideally they would be kissing no asses, but the poor tone of the debate was clear before it started — the half hour intro had me cringing and no questions were yet asked.
I fell asleep during the live debate while thinking that Trump was a vaccuous moron. I was especially annoyed that he didn’t answer Wallace’s request for evidence of Mexico’s complicity in the American genocidal invasion. In a perfect world Trump would have pulled one of the brochures printed and distributed by Mexico’s department of external affairs on how to get across our border, stay here, and parasitize our economy, told Wallace to bend over, and offer to insert the damning evidence rectally. Then Trump should have maligned Wallace and the complicit candidates on stage with him for covering up the story for years. I would have led an effort to crown Trump monarch if he had done that.
Upon waking from my nap and watching the rebroadcast, Trump came across better than my initial impression. While sleepy I must have let political correctness embrace me. But, the only reason for PC is to defend progressive lies (ie, to defend progressivism) and to obscure the truth.
Megyn Who???
She wouldn’t be a narcissist with as HUGE an EGO as Trump would she???
Unfair comparison. Trump has never posed provocatively in GQ, nor has he, to my knowledge, discussed his sex life openly with Howard Stern. Finally, he never once called attention to his breasts on his TV show.
Then Skegyn’s is much bigger!
I mean her Ego!
Thinking about it, I find it hard to see how Trump can be accused of misogyny. Who was that in the final scene of the Apprentice episodes seated next to Trump. Not the old geyser, the other person. Who was she replaced by? Someone called Ivanka?
Is there any evidence he treated any of the panelists different?
As for Megyn, people have discovered this quote from the Megyn files:
But, you know, the question is whether this is actually … not to be too grandiose about it … because Fox News is hosting it, and I’m a co- moderator but is this actually, because they have the potential to change the course of history? I mean, one of these guys could be out by 11:00 tomorrow night?
And while she hasn’t taken a vaction, she has taken a 6 day weekend around the fourth and an 8 day weekend during memorial day.
A lot of this reminds me f an incident with a borderline decent writer called Lauren K, Hamilton, who decided to change her style to let’s-pretend-its-not-porn, and a fight she got into with her fans.
I can’t say that Megyn’s fans are crazy screechy monkeys, but she certainly acted like Hamilton, and as describerd here: http://www.scalzi.com/whatever/004739.html she is now covered in monkey shit.
Yeah pretty much BDSM, necrophilia and bestiality in a horror/action wrapper. The first couple were ok after that absolutely awful.
Can’t tell much from that link, since whatever it was that Hamilton is supposed to have said, isn’t there (link goes to 404.)
Scalzi is a real piece of work, though, and if he says something, I’m pretty sure it’s crap. But then, I don’t support SJWs, and he’s the top monkey in that cage!
I’m sorry that you’ve decided to make up your mind without
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=laurel+k+hamilton+dear+negative+reader
I have absolutely no idea how that message got sent while I was not even halfway done composing. My hand was now where near the mouse or even none alphanumeric keys such as Control and TAB. So let me start over.
I’m sorry that you’ve decided to make up your mind without actually investigating anything. So let me help you out a bit. First a bit more from Scalzi about the issue. http://www.scalzi.com/whatever/004776.html
As for the link that’s missing, turns out it was moved at the website.Let me hekp you find it, http://lmgtfy.com/?q=laurel+k+hamilton+dear+negative+reader
Now you know how to find you can dig further. The incident was written about quite extensively at the time.
Which is all beside the point. he original article, for anyone who read it critcallyu, deals with response to criticism.
A clear victory for Kelly. I read it on the internets at National Review, Salon, and among the comments on some of the finer sites (cough).
She exposed him, knocked him out, left him “circling the drain” they said, certain to soon be a thing of the past, all thanks to Princess Megyn, Delycate Flower of Establyshment Republycanysm. Why even Hillary Clinton sided openly with Megyn, and if we can’t trust an ex-Secretary of State, who ya gonna believe?
/sarc
And here’s that now over 52,000 signature petition noted in the article above. Just takes a few secs to get your name on it, no donation required. As a great Professor implied, it’s not over until it’s over 🙂
https://www.change.org/p/news-corp-rupert-murdock-prevent-megyn-kelly-from-hosting-any-further-republican-debates
FOX NEWS CASUALTY REPORT
Rating changes Monday August 10-Tuesday August 11
Fox and Friends gained 118,000 viewers / up 13%
The Five gained 66,000 viewers / up 3%
Special Report lost 40,000 viewers / down 2%
Greta gained 26,000 viewers / up 1%
O’Reilly lost 428,000 viewers / down 15%
Megyn lost 237,000 viewers / down 8%
Hannity gained 145,000 viewers / up 7%
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3323998/posts
Interesting, thanks. I know Kelly had a big night her first day back, probably because a lot of people tuned in to see if she would apologize. It will be interesting to see the impact over the next few months; she was taking off like a rocket before she screwed up the debate.
And yet, her Tuesday numbers were HIGHER than the previous Tuesday, and still far more than the next four highest rated in her time slot COMBINED. It’s summer, still – the real test will be her ratings in September.
Agreed
A lot of sites were including links to Kelly’s FB and Twitter feeds just after the ambush. It was a huge flood of disapproval for both Kelly and Fox News. Thousands of comments said, e.g. “What happened to ‘fair and balanced’?” and “I have unsubscribed from Megyn Kelly, very disappointed in her ‘gotcha’ attack on Trump.” Many called for a total ban, both of the Kelly File and Fox News. This went on message after message, with very, very few sticking up for Fox or Kelly.
Personally I don’t have much trust or faith in ANY media outlets, but I too was extremely disappointed that Fox conducted this affair not as a Presidential Debate, but as a phony “reality TV” show, complete with scripts; I did notice that some candidates seemed unsurprised at the attacks, while some even joined in them. Others were apparently not given copies of the script that was to be followed- notably Ted Cruz, Carson, and of course Trump.
The show was entertaining, hugely so; it’s just too bad that it was more phony “journalism” like MSNBC does constantly (remember edited tapes in Zimmerman?) Also too bad that Trump got very few opportunities to do anything but counterpunch the attacks, but then who cares about policies, right? It’s not like we have problems or anything.
IMHO, Fox really shot themselves in the foot, badly. Time will tell if it was brilliant marketing that will bring more viewers in, or (my conclusion) they will have less. There’s a lot of competition for the bottom rung, and most conservatives that I know don’t want to watch yet another Chris Matthews just because she’s on Fox and is prettier. Biggest loser was Bret Baier, who actually used to have a reputation for fairness and honesty. Used to. I reckon he got caught up in the excitement and forgot his ethics, and I hope he’ll recover and be a finer- and wiser- man because of this.
This is the first time I’ve heard the exchange between Kelly and Trump…
Since women are a key factor in the 2016 election, I believe Megyn Kelly correctly chose to quote some of Trump’s ad hominem attacks on women. Kelly’s statement were facts Trump just took in stride. He knew it to be true and even boasted about it.
Kelly then asked Trump if his negative (bordering on misogynist) statements should define the kind of character we seek in a president.
I don’t see any problem with the Kelly’s question and I don’t see Kelly attacking Trump with that question. In fact, he blew it off and went on to play his favorite game –bombast.
Immediately Trump spun the question into a diatribe against political correctness, something that is hated by practically everyone in the crowd that night and by many watching. The audience wanted him to speak to and speak outside of-political correctness.
Trump completely dismissed Kelly (and all listening women for that matter) with his trite, malicious and hubristic non-answer.
Trump has women in positions of authority all over his organization. He routinely praises women who do good work. He also criticizes them sometimes harshly. Just like he does with men. This was a hit job engineered by a woman who thinks in male-female terms instead of thinking about how each candidates’ positions can help the country. If she were taking her job as a moderator seriously then she would have ignored that and just asked basic position questions and let the voters decide.
What Kelly did was patently unfair and very deceptive and did nothing to advance voters’ understanding of what the guy stands for.
BINGO!
WE HAVE A WINNER!
RE: “This was a hit job engineered by a woman who thinks in male-female terms instead of thinking about how each candidates’ positions can help the country.”
“We have to take care of women”.
–Mr. Establishment, being all NOT PC, day-before-yesterday
“It’s for the weemeeeeem!
“This was a hit job engineered by a woman who thinks in male-female terms instead of thinking about how each candidate’s positions can help the country.”
“hit job”?! Bhwaaaa! Poor, poor pitiful Trump. He is just a newborn baby who needs protection from the Megyn Kelly. Really? And, what about those women in the positions you talk about. Maybe Trump is not afraid of them because he pays them to ‘obey’ his commands.
“engineered by a woman who thinks in male-female terms” OMG not that! This terrifies little men.
Patently unfair?! Bhwaaaaa! Poor, poor blatantly unfair Trump. Creditors lose money every time Trump goes belly up.
You are right. Trump did not advance his “political position” by dismissing Kelly nor will he by consistently degrading women he doesn’t like. He had the time to say something positive, something positional, but he didn’t. He came for the circus. He wanted to be ringmaster.
And, yes, by golly, we are still the human race. The human race consists of males AND females who vote and not just ‘ballsy guys” who like to swing their pencil thin machismo shtick in front of a panting entourage or sweaty guys from Philly.
I stand by my comment.
“I stand by my comment.”
Well look how important you are. I’m arguing for debate moderators being impartial and not inserting themselves in the story and you’re talking about how Trump needs to be a big boy. I don’t think you’re listening or understanding. The American people want to hear these people talk about what they plan on doing for the country. They don’t want to hear about how Megyn Kelly cherrypicks Twitter comments and then attacks someone with it. There’s a little bit of art to formulating strong debate questions – both in the content and in the order in which they are asked. That was clearly not evident in the Fox News debate. They did a disservice to all the candidates up there by their childish arrogance and incompetence.
Most people don’t think of things as man vs woman when we are talking about politics only Democrat operatives. Yet here you are doing the exact same thing as those operatives. With that kind of attitude, you’ve become part of the problem. Try to glean an understanding of why this Trump thing is happening. I get that many here don’t like him as a candidate and that’s fine but his popularity right now is a message to all the candidates. Whoever the nominee is better get it because it will take them all the way to the White House.
Wow! You are as thin-skinned as Trump. No wonder you two are simpatico!
Yes, you are being Non-Impartial especially when…
What more can you ask for: Trump, debate Trump, had center stage doing his Trump grandiosity.
Again, Trump had plenty of time to address his positions to the “angry mob”. But, Trump the reactionary responded to Megyn like Trump the Hun and not Trump the President. It certainly appears that what you really wanted from the debate was a WWE wrestler show and a verbal smack down of Megyn.
Here’s what I understand: Trump is not an honorable person or leader that can be respected. Not by me, anyway.
It’s great that Trump can make millions. Now he needs to make sense with moral standing as a trust factor.
Trump, we would both acknowledge, has tapped into the anger about the illegal immigration. But, Trump invokes anger in many a situation to gain narcissistic attention. Haven’t you had enough of that with Obama?
Trump as POTUS would be an opportunist “Che” Guevara in a business suit and a comb-over. MAD magazine has a better candidate.
And, yeah, I understand that there are men who hate women while pretending to like them.
The bigger issue is how Trump reacts to ANY & ALL criticism or questioning with personal insults as his first resort. He’s like the spoiled rich brat bully who dishes it out all day long, calling others every name in the book, but when someone calls HIM out, he whines “unfair, she’s not being nice.”
The mean girl made him cry and has been living in his brain rent-free ever since.
ACT LIKE A MAN!
If someone who had a TV show went on that show and called you and your children names and you found out about it would you reply with a bad word about them? That’s what happened with the fat pig O’Donnell and Trump. Kelly conveniently left that part out. And since when did it become the job of a moderator to delve into the private lives of people who have already made the family sacrifice to offer themselves for public service? Why was it her job to do that? Why not cut to the chase and ask if they had ever done anything they were ashamed of? People like you don’t want information, you want humiliation and embarrassment for the fools who are running for office.
Here’s my problem with what she did…
It was the “why can’t you be more PC” question. I’m really tired of people being harangued for causing even the slightest bit of offense, particularly when it’s directed towards “protected” groups.
Can’t we all just grow the hell up?
There are no protected groups – just those on a private Democrat Party game reserve……
Democrat Party Plantation Punch anyone?
I am going to try to look at my little one’s faces and go for bike rides and play at the beach
Oops.
That’s just one step short of “resigned to spend more time with her family”.
Sounds like a precarious position.
Fox News Channel announced that Bret Baier, Chris Wallace and Megyn Kelly will be returning to moderate the next Fox News debate to be held in January before the Iowa caucuses.
No word yet if there will be two separate debates. A Fox rep stated:
“As Fox demonstrated last week, our goal with these debates is to be as inclusive as possible.”
No comment from the Trump. Yet.
http://patterico.com/2015/08/14/fox-news-channel-announces-next-gop-debate-moderators/
Yah. She’s just barely hanging on…
Only O’Reilly in cable news even comes close to her ratings. Ailes isn’t going to lose his new star to the fact that Trump fans are just as big sissies as their bratty hero.
O’Reilly is also on vacation. It’s August.
That’s why he’s sending her off to purdah and hopefully let things quiet down.
Megyn’s Misdeed: Kelly intentionally and dishonestly took an interaction from the Apprentice out of context and misrepresented what really happened in order to smear Donald Trump. This was unethical.
Megan’s Hypocrisy: Kelly’s stripper photos and her radio uh, conversation with Howard Stern were disrespectful and demeaning to herself and all women. She had no moral standing to pounce on anyone about disrespect to women.
Megan’s Mission: Kelly and her co-moderators took a third of the show for themselves and their agenda. Even the NYT called it an Inquisition, not a debate.
None of this was ‘good journalism’.
I offer an addendum to your “Megyn’s Misdeed”: She inaccurately claimed that Trump’s female-directed “tasteless” ad hominems went well beyond Rosie O’Donnell, but that is untrue.
Why would Trump’s supporters be any more honest than he is?
Nina Easton reviews his long history of insulting women individually and as a sex in Fortune: http://for.tn/1TkuaXF
Isn’t that the same stuff that other reporters tried to report? Nina is not breaking any new ground here and it is a waste of typed words. I am astounded at how bad these reporters are. They are like a pack of sheep. Bill Jacobson is twice the reporter that most of these people are and he’s a law professor.
And this is the fallacy of ad hominem, where you attack the person rather than deal with the truth or falsity of the claim.
There’s a LOT of that going around in defense of the little yellow god Trump.
Poor Megyn. I’ll bet she has to get up every day at 7am and put in 8 hours at that Fox HQ in the air conditioned building. It must be difficult, stressful, and downright labor intensive to have all those people getting your coffee, writing copy, brushing your hair, putting on your make up. Then there is the whole hour she spends actually in front of the camera. No vacation? Gosh, I’ll bet she’s been putting in 40 hours a week.
Boom! Top video; h/t WeaselZippers
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/news/video-1206290/Donald-Trump-attacks-Obama-Clinton-new-commercial.html
I blasted Megyn a little here right before the “debate” for hyping it as “don’t listen to what candidates say over there, only our debate really counts”. I did sense some of that “we are the deciders” attitude.
Trump is widely known to the LIV TV watcher as a boorish womanizer (I think). So while Megyn’s was not an ordinary debate question, not ordinary Trump is running on his unabashed flamboyance and the Trump name brand. So far he is not running on policy except his claims about the wall Mexico will pay for, or 20 other manic promises that often contradict his prior statements.
icymi, many have defended his on your knees comment as innocent. The woman said it innocently, Trump went dirty. And that seems to be the tenor for much of the show that makes Trump a household name, and hence a presidential front-runner.
http://www.vh1.com/celebrity/2013-03-05/donald-trump-brande-roderick-on-her-knees/
All candidates were asked tough probing questions. And the Iowa poll showed people had a lower opinion of Trump after the show, (though the immediate polls gave him the win). And we have to question if these polls are skewed like the Ron Paul polls were.
Trump comes out as the warrior, and even as he conflicts with his previous stances on almost everything, his bluster is comforting to many that hate DC and the establishment. But Trump is already flipping, his big door from Mexico will include a quick path back for the eleven (30) million illegals, he will only (magically) get rid of the bad ones.
FOX did accomplish getting past a talking point “debate” and chose hard but limited questions for the “multitude” on stage. Megyn’s question was pertinent, but perhaps not wise as we see from the fallout.
Gingrich (4 yrs ago) was asked about an “open marriage” claim in the debate, but that was a private unsubstantiated claim from his ex-wife. Many were offended that Megyn went that direction, despite Trump’s reputation being part of his fame. But Trump calling contenders stupid losers is apparently “presidential”.
Man, your avatar is spot on! I guess kelly’s question to Cruz about “Any word from God” was debate quality? Your opinion of Trump has nothing to do with being a moderator. Their job is to be impartial and not read Star and the National Enquirer the night before the debate. Had they been good moderators we would know more about Trump’s and the other candidates positions on the problems facing our nation and the world instead of this crap.
“Had they been good moderators we would know more about Trump’s and the other candidates positions on the problems facing our nation and the world instead of this crap.”
Drop the mic and walk off the stage. You just summed it up perfectly.
I didn’t hear the “word from God” question. But character questions are legit … it is what the left will harp on most. Anyone can spout talking points on “I’m pro-life”, or “I’m strong on the second amendment”.
Trump was asked a policy question on the Iranian general going to Moscow and he was like a deer in the headlights. He was given a chance to straighten out his sexist reputation, instead he whined and went on the attack, then he attacked Carly when she supported Megyn. It’s what he always does. That may be why he has one of the highest “who would you never vote for” ratings.
Why is my avatar spot on? I’m a red tail hawk? I’m sure it is clever, but I don’t get it.
Here are the actual questions Trump was asked.
http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-08-10/here-are-the-questions-donald-trump-was-asked-at-the-fox-debate
Here are the questions Trump was asked.
“A long six months, without a vacation for yours truly, do you know that? It’s been six months since I’ve had a vacation. “
Wah, wah, wah. Boo hoo hoo. Oh, the horrors of working for SIX MOTNHS without a VACATION!
If you had a real job, honey, you’d know just how common that is. There are plenty of people who can’t afford to take a vacation because “vacation” = “no income” ~
Especially since she only got one 8 day weekend and one 6 day weekend in that period.
Kelly lost and would have even if Trump hadn’t said a thing … her shit*y non policy gotcha questions did that to herself …
she was horrid as a moderator, all 3 were … when the moderators do over 30% of the talking they need to be pulled from future debates …
Maybe the CNN panel will be nicer to poor Donald Trump.
Do they have a mean girl? I hope they don’t make him cry.
Of course, if the questions are too hard, he can always go back to reality TV.
Megyn Kelly is the best news anchor on television – bar none.
That’s setting the bar low.
I dislike Trump, and Fox is underwhelming. Unfortunately, there is not a lot of diversity in the world of conservative television. It’s either Fox or nothing, so Ailes has the liberty of pushing mediocre personalities.
I cant believe people are taking Trump over Kelly. What is wrong with you people? We have 16-18 people running for the nomination and you expect they should all be handed soft-ball questions? What Megyn Kelly reminded me was that Trump allowed himself to publicly wallow in the mud with Rosanne Barr. Trump is an unserious candidate with a thin skin who makes issues I care about look as clownish as he is and I WANT stringer immigration controls. Congratulations Trump supporters, for making the rest of us look bad.
False dichotomy. I, for one, reject both of them.
Where’s the dichotomy? One was doing her job while the other was proving her point.
Maybe your hatred of trump just clouds your vision.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2015/08/11/the-arrogance-of-power-megyn-kellys-good-journalism/
I hold no hatred for Trump and I love a lot of the things he says. But he’s a chameleon, like Romney, a guy who changes parties as needed. you want a liberal? Trump’s a liberal (Reagan era). You want a conservative? Trump’s a conservative (Obama era).I have found nothing to support the idea Trump can actually accomplish anything he says he wants to do. I’d like nothing better than to be provided evidence he could do well as president, and I need no more / no less evidence than I’d need for any candidate. This is why Scott Walker tops my list at the moment – he has a record of doing great things in government instead of just talking.
Perhaps falsely redefining my opposition to Trump as ‘hatred’ serves some dynamic in yourself you believe you’ve revealed in me? Ooph, the irony. Subjective emotion and straw men are becoming hallmarks of the Trump supporter, made necessary by the dirth of evidence he’s anything more than just talk.
My DISLIKE for Trump stems from his behavior. It should also give you pause. That it does not tells me about how far we’ve fallen as a nation. The left AND now the right have descended into a deep moral and ethical sewer. In the end the horrible Hillary will be elected after Trump helps sink the rest of us ACTUAL conservatives.
Henry, my comment was not directed at you, but at harry.
If you think what Kelly was practicing was “journalism”, then the left has fully perverted your thinking. You do not have to like trump to understand that.
You can’t believe people pick Trump over Kelly. One could pick neither, considering each guilty of different ‘crimes’ and rejecting bothj accordingly. (I had a flashback to college debate days, lol).
To be accurate I wrote “taking” as in “taking sides” and not picking, and its still hard to believe. Where the hell are the adults anymore?
My DISLIKE for Trump stems from his behavior. It should also give you pause. That it does not tells me about how far we’ve fallen as a nation. The left AND now the right have descended into a deep moral and ethical sewer. In the end the horrible Hillary will be elected after Trump helps sink the rest of us ACTUAL conservatives.
“In the end the horrible Hillary will be elected after Trump helps sink the rest of us ACTUAL conservatives.”
Dole, McCain, Romney. The only three R candidates not named Bush since Reagan. The R party is not a conservative party. It is a faction of the ruling party in DC. It needs to be torn apart. Trump is the weapon of murder.
When did our side become thinned skinned whimpering wusses? Kelly asked pertinent questions designed to cull the pack of unserious candidates. In Trumps case it didnt work because some conservatives, it seems, have taken up the “progressive” tactic of deliberately refusing to acknowledge any faults in their candidates. Trump is a fool and a clown and could have been a better tool for sinking republicans if the New York Times and Mother Jones could have invented a more perfect plant.
Kelly’s a hack. Most recognize it. Your dislike of trump doesn’t change that fact.
Something’s a bit garbled here, but I get your meaning:
Maybe try:
….and could NOT have been a better tool for sinking republicans if the New York Times and Mother Jones had selected him. They could not have invented a more perfect plant.
I still don’t know what the facts are. I suspect the plant is someone advising Donald Trump.
For me, this canned what support I had for the guy. It does not really matter whether her concerns were valid or not. Trump is running for President: if he cannot handle a hostile interview he is going to disintegrate in the general election.
When the rest of the news media starts pulling out the long knives to defend the candidate of their choice it sure as hell isn’t going to be the Republican candidate.
If he cannot deal with a hostile reporter he can not win. Period.
Trump won. When attacked by Rhetoric (bad feels), it is not wise to respond with Dialectic (facts and logic). Responding with facts and logic only gives the crowd the impression that some of the rhetoric was correct.
Megyn’s question wasn’t a real question, it was a screed. Trump had no obligation to address it.
Instead Trump made a joke called “agree and amplify.” He basically said, “screw your question, Rosie O’Donnell is all of those things” right on the stage. This response is a classic strength response to a classic female fitness test.
When Megyn continued, Trump responded with a reframe and redirect. Sexism, wasn’t the problem, Megyn was the problem for enforcing political correctness. Again, since the question wasn’t a real question, it was a bad feels attack, Trump had no obligation to address it head on. Responding to an attack with an attack is again a show of strength.
Trump actually did answer the question, after demonstrating his superiority in two different classic responses to rhetoric.
It turns out that attacking Trump with rhetoric is not the way to take him down, when he gets a chance to respond. Trump understands the dynamics of crowds. I wonder if he studied Aristotle or if he learned this on his own from being in the public pot light forever.
A lot of us were hoping that the candidates were going to discuss issues, but Megyn and Fox turned it into rhetorical attacks. That didn’t go over well with the Republican office. It’s hard to say that Megyn lost however. She’ll now get that cushy job on a liberal network whenever she wants now.
Recall that Mitt Romney answered a similar (but not as mean) question with facts and logic. His “binders full of women” was ridiculed.
That comment may have sank momentum he was building.
By answering a screed with facts and logic, he gave believability to the screed.