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Guests Flabbergasted When Hannity Defends Zimmerman

Guests Flabbergasted When Hannity Defends Zimmerman

Defense attorney to Hannity: “You’re saying George Zimmerman WAS RIGHT?”

So this happened last night.

Sean Hannity had two guests on his show to discuss race relations. Eric Guster, a criminal defense attorney (on the left in the video below), and Pastor Marcus Mosiah Jarvis (next to Guster).

Hannity was making the argument that President Obama should refrain from injecting himself into racial incidents because Obama is, according to Hannity, a “three time loser” in such situations. In illustrating this point Hannity mentions the name Trayvon Martin, and that’s where the wheels come off.

Defense Attorney Guster immediately interrupts Hannity to ask, incredulously, if the show host believes Zimmerman was right in shooting Trayvon. When Hannity responds, “Absolutely,” we get a nice pair of flabbergasted head explosions, which Hannity counters actual knowledge of the facts and law of the case.

It seems the two guests neglected to avail themselves of the totally free resource: “The Zimmerman Files: Aggregated day-by-day live coverage & analysis”, or otherwise inform themselves on the case.

The exchange is all in the brief video (1:17) below. (If you’re somewhere where video is not immediately an option I’ve also transcribed the exchange below the fold, but it’s faster to watch than to read.)

Transcript

Host Sean Hannity: “The President shouldn’t rush to judgment on a high profile race incidents where he’s a three time loser with Trayvon Martin, Michael Brown —”

Defense Attorney Guster: “I disagree with the Trayvon Martin statement. ”

Hannity: “—in Ferguson—”

Guster: “I totally disagree with that. I totally disagree with that. So you’re saying—”

Hannity: “—He rushed to judgment—”

Guster: “You mentioned George Zimmerman—”

Hannity: “—the constitutional attorney.”

Guster: “—so you’re saying that George Zimmerman was right?”

Hannity: “Absolutely.”

Pastor Jarvis: “Are you, oh my God—”

Guster: “Are you serious?”

Jarvis: “—you’re defending George Zimmerman? ”

Hannity: “I’m defending the verdict.”

Guster: “You’re credibility has gone out the window.”

Hannity: “Can I finish?”

Guster: “Baby with the bath water.”

Hannity: “Maybe you don’t believe in a person being innocent until proven guilty—”

Jarvis: “Let me ask you a question, do you–”

Guster: “Oh, I do.”

[Talking over each other.]

Hannity: “Let me finish.”

Jarvis: “—do you think that racism has totally been eradicated in this country? ”

Hannity: “No, absolutely not. But let me finish. There was an eye witness in the Travon Martin case that saw Trayvon Martin on top of George Zimmerman grounding-and-pounding—“

Guster: “When George Zimmerman approached him.”

Hannity: “Are you going to let me finish?”

Guster: “After George Zimmerman approached him.”

Hannity: “Are you going to let me finish?”

Guster: “After George Zimmerman approached him.”

Hannity: “Grounding-and-pounding his head into cement and George Zimmerman screaming for his life at the top of his lungs. That resulted in the verdict as it came down, and I trust the jury system, and I believe on those circumstances he believed his life was in jeopardy, and facts and evidence are different than rushing to judgment like our constitutional President.”

–-Andrew, @LawSelfDefense

(h/t Bizpac Review)


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Comments

The lie…er, “narrative”…lives.

People who love delusions WILL cling to them.

    Estragon in reply to Ragspierre. | June 12, 2015 at 12:33 am

    Alarmingly so, and not just on this subject. A substantial subset of the population believes the Oliver Stone movie JFK was a documentary, and the CIA had Kennedy and Oswald killed. Based on a work of fiction.

    Our popular culture is distorted and perverted, and yet has become the main source of knowledge for the Ignorati, who keep Democrats in power or competitive.

      Midwest Rhino in reply to Estragon. | June 12, 2015 at 7:49 am

      and the vast majority of exit poll voters thought Palin said she could see Russia from her house.

    professional in reply to Ragspierre. | June 12, 2015 at 4:35 pm

    OJ, Durst, Casey Anthony and the thugs who later admitted they beat Emmett Till to death were all found not guilty in a court of law.
    Juries don’t always get it right. There are people who have spent decades in prison who are now free because of DNA testing.
    George Zimmerman got away with murder.
    I wonder how Hannity would like some nut like Zimmerman to label one of his children a suspect and armed with a deadly weapon follow them. He wouldn’t stand for it, and no person in their right mind would. Yet he defends this thug.

    Zimmerman pursued a course of conduct that led to the death of Trayvon Martin….Judge Nelson

      Gunstar1 in reply to professional. | June 13, 2015 at 3:32 pm

      What evidence do you have that Zimmerman did not use self defense? I’m guessing you have none.

        Gremlin1974 in reply to Gunstar1. | June 13, 2015 at 7:18 pm

        He doesn’t have any, because there isn’t any, just like there was no evidence in either the OJ or Casey Anthony case.

        His assertion that sometimes Juries “get it wrong” might be true at times, but it’s more likely that Juries have to make their determination based on the law and evidence and he just doesn’t like the outcome.

      Gremlin1974 in reply to professional. | June 13, 2015 at 7:15 pm

      “Zimmerman pursued a course of conduct that led to the death of Trayvon Martin….Judge Nelson”

      First, using a quote from probably the most bias person in the courtroom besides the family, is probably not the best evidence.

      Secondly, I watched that trial from start to finish and if there is one thing that was clear before the defense even started its case, it was that Zimmerman had acted in lawful self defense.

      Thirdly, I just love that quote, because what should come after the “…” is “however, Trayvon Martin also engaged in behavior that lead the the death of Trayvon Martin”.

      Lastly, that quote is from when the same judge who showed bias in the murder trial threw out his civil suit against the people who maliciously edited the 911 call. Which was obviously just her letting her bias seek revenge against Zimmerman, since his behavior that night had nothing to do with whether he deserved to be compensated by people that were trying to do him harm. Also, if he had appealed that decision I presume that, just like every decision of hers that was challenged during the trial, it would be overturned as well.

      I know its hard but try to be objective and listen to facts not the meme’s that the talking heads on the TV like to spout.

      Milhouse in reply to professional. | June 14, 2015 at 5:49 pm

      1. Zimmerman is not a nut, and you have no basis for calling him one.

      2. Why would Hannity (or anyone) object to someone following his child to see what he was up to? Hannity’s child would be unlikely to be up to anything illegal, as Martin appeared to be and probably was, but if someone suspected him, and decided to keep an eye on him, what possible grounds could he have to object? One thing’s for sure, Hannity’s child would not attack the follower, and if he did then Hannity would expect the victim to defend himself.

Sammy Finkelman | June 11, 2015 at 1:46 pm

Sean Hannity was confronted by people living in an alternate reality and I don’t think he knew how to deal with them.

They even don’t know the “bad white cop” version of the Ferguson incident has been completely debunked, or almost completely debunked.

    Sanddog in reply to Sammy Finkelman. | June 11, 2015 at 1:56 pm

    Some people believe what they feel is superior to actual facts. You can’t reason with them and there’s no point even trying.

    Hannity is well experienced in dealing with people the live in an alternative universe. He dealt with the master of that, every week night for five years. That person was Alan Colmes.

When truth is not on your side, shout down your opponent.
Ghads.
So tired of this liberal method of debate.
Even Obama engages in it.
“The science is settled.” is code for “Sit down and shut up, we will not allow debate.”

Sammy Finkelman | June 11, 2015 at 2:01 pm

For one thing, of course, George Zimmerman did not approach and confront Trayvon Martin, because, and I think there is no dispute about this. Trayvon Martin ran away from him and there was no way George Zimmerman could catch up with him.

It’s unclear if (or why) GZ then followed the path Trayvon Martin took (GZ said he was looking for a street sign so he could know where he was so he could tell the policemen who were coming where to meet him)

But regardless, it was Trayvon Martin who confronted George Zimmerman and not the other way around.

GZ tried to defuse the situation by saying he did not have a problem with TM, but, possibly when he saw GZ reaching for his phone, TM jumped him.

As to why TM attacked him, you may not know why, but he did. My best guess is that TM took GZ for a gang member – maybe a Blood, given the red shirt he was wearing – who was about to get other people to go after after TM because he recognized him as a Crip. I don’t think the idea that TM had a thought that GZ was a homosexual rapist is likely. (that’s another explanation offered)

GZ was losing the battle, although he managed to get his head off the cncrete and on to the grass. But he wasn’t able to get TM off of him.

GZ it is reported, said later to his brother that TM saw the gun, and he was afraid TM would grab his gun, and kill him, and that TM had said GM would now die.

No GZ perhaps pulled out his gun a little too quickly, after about 45 seconds of struggle, when he would have been rescued if he had waited another half a minute or so. (or was it another inute he would have had to hold out?)

But he didn’t know how quickly the police would come. He only fired one shot, and he was surprised that it killed TM.

    Sammy Finkelman in reply to Sammy Finkelman. | June 11, 2015 at 2:06 pm

    Correction. “GZ it is reported, said later…that TM had said GM would now die.”

    Should Be

    “GZ it is reported, said later…that TM had said GZ would now die.”

    GZ = George Zimmerman. TM = Trayvon Martin

    On the ‘looking for a street sign’ comment:

    One of the facepalming moments for the prosecutors in the case was when their star ear-witness, the lady who was close enough to hear something but didn’t see the confrontation, was asked about the street signs by the prosecution.

    And she said something to the effect of, “Oh, that’s completely correct. About eight months ago the area came under new management and they took down all the street signs and put them up with new names in horrible locations where you can’t see them behind trees. People barely know what their own address is any more, much less the names of the other streets around.”

    And the prosecutors learned again never to ask a question you don’t know the answer to, because their Zimmerman-hostile witness just totally corroborated Zimmerman’s story.

      Voyager in reply to luagha. | June 12, 2015 at 1:12 am

      The biggest one, though, was when she basically stated on the stand that she had changed her testimony because Travon’s mother had bullied her into it.

    Gremlin1974 in reply to Sammy Finkelman. | June 11, 2015 at 7:34 pm

    “He only fired one shot”

    He only fired one shot because his gun jammed. Probably because of the recoil mechanism being interrupted because it was basically a contact shot to the chest.

    TM was reaching for the gun. You have overlooked this point.

    Finklestein is spot on. Studying the Condo crime scene on Google Maps it’s fairly obvious TM had returned home and from a safe place there watched GZ walk past on the center walkway toward the main Condo crosswalk. Then for whatever reason TM decided to leave his home, follow GZ and confront him at the “T” intersection where those two walkways met. It wasn’t even a street. It was a sidewalk between buildings. TM made a whole series of bad decisions that night.

    Char Char Binks in reply to Sammy Finkelman. | June 13, 2015 at 1:33 am

    TM didn’t think GZ was a Blood; he thought he was a snitch and a soft target, and that’s why he attacked.

Spiny Norman | June 11, 2015 at 2:01 pm

Guster: “When George Zimmerman approached him.”

“After George Zimmerman approached him.”

“After George Zimmerman approached him.”

Apparently, in Eric Guster’s alternate universe, by “approaching” a young black male, you deserve having your head beaten into the concrete.

Has he had to represent so many blatantly guilty violent offenders that he now thinks like one?

    Sammy Finkelman in reply to Spiny Norman. | June 11, 2015 at 2:21 pm

    In Eric Guster’s alternate universe, after approaching him, George Zimmerman attacked Trayvon Martin, but perhaps he leaves that out because he knows it is more disputable.

    The only problem is, George Zimmerman did not, and could not have, approached Trayvon Martin because Trayvon Martin ran away from him, and how could he catch him after that?? GZ never got back in his car.

    The people who make GZ out to be guilty kind of lose track of facts.

    GZ was in his car, and he saw TM wandering around in the rain, looking in windows (perhaps he was trying to meet someone or even find where he was staying) so he thought TM was possibly one of the burglars that had recently burglarized some houses (TM was not, because he just come up from Miami to stay with his father for a while in the hopes that would keep him out of trouble, and he was not even trespassing, but GZ had no way of knowing that)

    GZ it is reasonable to suppose, orginally intended to ask TM some questions. And he slowed down in his car. TM then noticed this and started to approach GZ.

    When he got close enough to see that GZ was talking on a cell phone, he suddenly started running away. Presumably, he thought GZ was calling his buddies to beat him up or worse. GZ got out of his car and started chasing after him.

    When the 911 dispatcher asked GZ if he running after him and told him they didn’t want him to do that, he stopped – and then there was all this negotiating about where he would meet the police.

    Whatever George Zimmerman did after that, there is no way he could have found, let alone confronted, Trayvon Martin.

    It’s possible Trayvon Martin was actually hiding down an strip of sidewalk and saw GZ pass him and then come back.

    There is every reason to believe that TM then confronted GZ and not the other way around. And also that he started the attack (otherwise he wouldn’t have been winning the fight)

      Bruce Hayden in reply to Sammy Finkelman. | June 11, 2015 at 3:02 pm

      A couple of things:
      1) Not clear that TM was not casing that house for burglary. Some suggestion (from being in possession of stolen goods) that he was somehow involved in such back in Miami. At a minimum though, walking around in the rain, on someone’s lawn, looking in the windows, is awfully suspicious.

      2) Think that the Crips/Bloods thing might be a bit far fetched. Of course we will never know. But, GZ is partly Hispanic, and not Black, so would expect that TM would think that he was in a Hispanic gang, if any. But, I also think that you minimize the possibility that TM attacked GZ because he was homophobic. He was the age of maximum homophobia, and his “girlfriend” seemed to suggest that that was partly behind it.

      3) Next, my reading of the NEN police call transcript is that the operator didn’t tell GZ not to follow TM, but rather just that he didn’t need to do so. Which for liability reasons, she was probably obligated to do. The point is that a lot of TM supporters have claimed that GZ was violating PD orders by tailing TM (and, also note – that he wasn’t following TM, but rather, just trying to keep him in sight). And, in response to that, first, the operator didn’t tell him not to, and secondly, she wasn’t a sworn officer, and so could not legally tell him what to do, or not do.

      4) My understanding is that GZ first saw TM as he drove down the street. He then drove a bit further to the clubhouse, where he sat in his car and called the NEN police dispatcher. While on the phone, TM came by, walked around the car, and then took off (not running, but maybe walking quickly), turning down a side street. GZ drove a bit further, then left his vehicle where TM headed into the houses (and, in particular, probably on the path/trail behind the houses that GZ ultimately took). GZ quickly lost track of TM (who apparently/probably went mostly to the house he was staying at, then turned around and went back). GZ walked down the path behind the houses, looking for TM, then turned around and started walking back. He had just crossed a concrete side trail, when the interaction with TM occurred, and it was apparently the side trail concrete that TM was beating GZ’s head into.

      5) You alluded to it, but one reason that GZ probably couldn’t have caught TM, if he had tried, is that TM was taller, with longer legs, and had played sports in high school a year or two before. In short, likely able to easily outrun the slightly pudgy GZ.

        Sammy Finkelman in reply to Bruce Hayden. | June 11, 2015 at 4:33 pm

        1) Not clear that TM was not casing that house for burglary.

        He was looking into more than one house. That’s kind of consistent with trying to find an address.

        George Zimmerman had been watching him for some period of time before he made the call.

        The gated community did not have house numbers in the fronts of the houses, but only on the sides, but Trayvon Martin may not have any ideathat there was a special place to find the house numbers.

        He may been approaching house after house, and coming up close, hoping to see a house number somewhere, thinking if one house was missing a house number, or even most houses, eventually one would have one, thinking maybe it was small.

        And remember, it was dark, and raining, so he had to get really close to see there was no house number there.

        Trayon Martin may have been looking for someone whom he had called to buy some marijuana. $10 or $20 would have been enough to buy some, and he was carrying $22 or so.

        The walking around and peering into windows is consistent with someone trying to find a location and not being able to find the address.

        Sammy Finkelman in reply to Bruce Hayden. | June 11, 2015 at 4:45 pm

        2) Think that the Crips/Bloods thing might be a bit far fetched. Of course we will never know. But, GZ is partly Hispanic, and not Black, so would expect that TM would think that he was in a Hispanic gang, if any.

        I was thinking the red shirt could be an indicator. It doesn’t have to be strictly Bloods, but the red shirt could still add to the picture. It’s many years since the Bloods first got started. Although the Bloods were originally all black, I did find that various groups that are not all black that call themselves Bloods have appeared.

        Miami had all kinds of gangs anyway:

        http://newweb.jssinc.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/White-Paper-The-Gangs-of-Miami.pdf

        This has almost nothing about gang colors, so maybe red didn’t mean just Bloods any more but maybe it still sometimes meant something. The color red could have been adopted by others even more than the name Bloods.

        I have to say I don’t know enough. Whatever, TM would have been familiar with gangs in Miami.

        But, I also think that you minimize the possibility that TM attacked GZ because he was homophobic. He was the age of maximum homophobia, and his “girlfriend” seemed to suggest that that was partly behind it

        I am not sure of the truthfulness of that claim that TM said that GZ might be a homosexual, but even if TM had had that theory in the beginning, he would have switched to the gang theory when he saw George Zimmerman talking on his cell phone while watching him.

        I’d go with the gang theory because Trayvon Martin seems to have become afraid of George Zimmerman chiefly when he was using, or about to use, a cell phone.

        Trayvon Martin ran away from George Zimmerman when he got close, and that would mean when he saw him talking on his cell phone, and according to one version of how it started, he assaulted George Zimmerman the moment he saw him reaching for his cellphone.

        That accounts for his sudden fear of George Zimmerman when he got close to the car. Pedophiles don’t act in groups. Gang members do.

        In high schools across the country, and probably in Trayvon Martin’s high school as well, when somebody wanted to get into a fight with someone, they would call for reinforcements on their cell phone.

        Sammy Finkelman in reply to Bruce Hayden. | June 11, 2015 at 5:20 pm

        By the way, I am not even sure we have the correct identity of the person on the other end of the line when Trayvon Martin was talking on his cell phone. It might not have been “Dee Dee” (real name Rachel Jeantel.)

        She might have thrown in the homosexual comment to make the conversation look more genuine, even though that actually helped the defense by giving Trayvon Martin a motive.

        Anyway, I think if TM had that theory at first, he switched over to the gang theory when he saw GZ on the phone. Of course, being from were he was, and not yet even 17 years old, he’d never think of the “concerned citizen calling the police” theory!!

        3) Next, my reading of the NEN police call transcript is that the operator didn’t tell GZ not to follow TM, but rather just that he didn’t need to do so.

        I thought I indicated that.

        What I think is, that it is possible that GZ did not give up on the chase, even though he implied he would, because he didn’t want to meet the police back at his truck. He first agrees, and then says “Actually, could you have them call me and I’ll tell them where I’m at?”

        But of course, he would want the police to confront TM, not do it himself.

        4) My understanding is that GZ first saw TM as he drove down the street. He then drove a bit further to the clubhouse, where he sat in his car and called the NEN police dispatcher. While on the phone, TM came by, walked around the car, and then took off (not running, but maybe walking quickly), turning down a side street.

        I’m not solid on this. So, first GZ passed TM in the car, and then TM passed GZ and then TM started walking back? I don’t think TM passed the car during the call.

        GZ drove a bit further, then left his vehicle where TM headed into the houses (and, in particular, probably on the path/trail behind the houses that GZ ultimately took).

        GZ only left the car right at the point when TM started running away after first approaching the car. He started chasing him on foot.

        TM went on a path a car could not follow. We need a good map. This was at 2:09 minutes into the call, at 7:11:43 EST.

        GZ quickly lost track of TM (who apparently/probably went mostly to the house he was staying at, then turned around and went back).

        It’s that possibly he did. He had enough time. In this theory TM stumbled into George Zimmerman accidently when he doubled back (the thinking being, if he ran away, why would he then want to run into him?? The answer could be, he kept on revising his opinion of GZ.)

        TM turned right, unless he circled around, that we know, and he could have gotten to the place he was staying, but didn’t necessarily do that.

        It is possible that GZ thought TM got away so quickly that maybe he was hiding and that he could spot him and tell the police when they came. If so, GZ wasn’t completely truthful with the police later. He wasn’t be too careful with what he said later. He claimed one word was “punks” when it was something else, maybe “cold” or “colds” (and he was cursing at himself, or his inability to run fast.)

        GZ walked down the path behind the houses, looking for TM, then turned around and started walking back. He had just crossed a concrete side trail, when the interaction with TM occurred, and it was apparently the side trail concrete that TM was beating GZ’s head into.

        That’s what he started to do. TM sucker punched him in the nose and knocked him down to the ground. But they quickly got on the grass, and that’s where the struggle was taking place, and that’s where the witnesses described it as taking place.

        GZ was able to move sideways even if he couldn’t get up. Maybe TM tried to move him back to the cement but he wasn’t able to. That strip of concrete was pretty thin – not wide – only one paving block wide.

        You alluded to it, but one reason that GZ probably couldn’t have caught TM, if he had tried, is that TM was taller, with longer legs, and had played sports in high school a year or two before. In short, likely able to easily outrun the slightly pudgy GZ.

        We don’t even need theory. This was a fact. GZ might have had a cold, maybe.

        GZ was breathing heavily and TM outran him. It’s on the transcript of the telephone call. There should be little doubt that was because of their respective physical conditions.

          Gremlin1974 in reply to Sammy Finkelman. | June 11, 2015 at 7:26 pm

          BTW, if you look back through Andrew’s earlier posts on this shooting he did a very good write up complete with overhead maps about the chase portion of this case. It’s probably 3 years old now, but just go back through his articles and you will find it. If I remember correctly it is probably one of the first articles that Andrew did here.

          Bruce Hayden in reply to Sammy Finkelman. | June 12, 2015 at 12:35 pm

          YeH, Hhhhhhhhhh
          YeH, it was Deedees testimony that put the homophobic possibilities into play. You are right though that TM was likely working under Miami rules, which may mean that he may have seen gang affiliation, when none existed. I am sitting here in NW MT, and gang colors are the last thing anyone would think if seeing red or blue clothing.

          To get a good idea of GZ’s story and timeline, I think that his video recorded reenactment from the day after the shooting is maybe the best source. My memory is that he saw TM acting suspiciously, stopped maybe a block down in the clubhouse parking lot. TM then started home, and saw GZ in his vehicle, walked around it, threatening/glaring at GZ as he did so. He then continued on towards where he was staying (while suspended from school back in Miami). This meant taking a fairly quick turn (I think to the right). GZ was able to tail him for a short bit in his vehicle, at which time he disappeared into the housing. GZ parked his vehicle, and took off down a concrete path behind the homes. He was still on the phone as he did this. At some point, he turned around to head back to his vehicle where he was supposed to meet the cops. And he hung up. Shortly thereafter, right after crossing a concrete side path, GZ claimed that TM came out of nowhere and surprised him, knocking him down, etc. It was this concrete side path that TM beat GZ’s head into.

          Maybe a bit long. Sorry. It isn’t as confusing when you watch the video where GZ walked the officers through his trail the night before.

          Sammy Finkelman in reply to Sammy Finkelman. | June 17, 2015 at 7:42 pm

          @ Gremlin1974 Can you give a link or search terms to find the 3-year old post(s) from Andrew Branca that include(s) overhead maps about the chase portion 0f the case?

          I think 911 call makes it clear that GZ only out of the car when TM suddenly started running away. It wasn’t clear to me who was moving before that point, except thet TM had apparently stopped, started staring at him, and then started approaching the car till he saw something when he got close (probably GZ talking on the phone)

          GZ also, while that was going on, was never able to come to an opinion as to just what TM was doing. On the one hand he thought he might be on drugs, on the otehr hand that didn’t really fit the picture either.

          GZ:

          This guy looks like he’s up to no good or he’s on drugs or something. It’s raining and he’s just walking around looking about.

          It didn’t fit with anything.

          “Zimmerman Trial Myth Busters: Did Zimmerman “Chase Down” a Fleeing Martin? A: No.”

          (http://lawofselfdefense.com/zimmerman-trial-myth-busters-did-zimmerman-chase-down-a-fleeing-martin/)

          Or just bookmark this page, most all my Zimmerman stuff is there:

          “The Zimmerman Files: Aggregated day-by-day live coverage & analysis”

          (http://lawofselfdefense.com/the-zimmerman-files-aggregated-day-by-day-live-coverage-analysis/)

        Gremlin1974 in reply to Bruce Hayden. | June 11, 2015 at 7:22 pm

        #3) The call operator was a young man, who testified in court that he never gave any such order, that he had no authority to even give such an order, and (I believe, but may be remembering wrongly) that the suggestion not to follow was actually more to make sure the caller remained safe.

        #5) The reason that GZ had no chance of catching TM is because TM had more than ample time to be back safely in his house behind the locked door, before GZ could ever have even made it to the area between the buildings. Instead, it appears, that TM decided to stage an ambush instead.

      Zimmerman would not have approached or questioned Martin. George was operating under neighborhood watch guidelines, which is “Eyes and Ears, only”. But never to approach or challenge a perceived miscreant. Mistake to mix that into the scenario, IMO.

      Char Char Binks in reply to Sammy Finkelman. | June 13, 2015 at 1:42 am

      If GZ ran down and apprehended TM despite the 16-second head start, some NFL team should sign him on as a cornerback. Usain Bolt couldn’t have caught TM under those circumstances.

    I said here at the time that’s very much what these sorts believe, that to approach a black male is to forfeit one’s life. And in some parts of the country, this is true.

      Gremlin1974 in reply to JBourque. | June 11, 2015 at 7:35 pm

      Frankly, I believe it is more an attitude that it is always white people’s fault, regardless of facts.

        Char Char Binks in reply to Gremlin1974. | June 13, 2015 at 1:45 am

        And “George Zimmerman” is one of the whitest names on Earth, which is why everybody thought he was white before seeing his picture and being taught by the MSM that he is in fact a “White-HIspanic”.

          Milhouse in reply to Char Char Binks. | June 14, 2015 at 6:02 pm

          It sounds more than white, it sounds Jewish. And I’m 100% sure that that’s why this case drew national attention, and changed from a simple no-charges-justified local case to a three-ring circus. Sharpton et al saw the name “George Zimmerman” and thought “Jew”. Had his name been Jorge Mesa nobody outside the immediate vicinity would ever have heard of him, or of Martin.

The George Zimmerman case is why there must a jury system. Otherwise, there would more injustice than there already is. Prosecutors like Angela Cory and Marilyn Mosby would have their cases tried by judges they chose.

MouseTheLuckyDog | June 11, 2015 at 2:42 pm

I’m surprised Hannity let them get away with Zimmerman proaching Trayvon. All the evidence including DeeDee’s testimony shows the other. The only contact between the two began when Trayvon approached him.

    Sammy Finkelman in reply to MouseTheLuckyDog. | June 11, 2015 at 3:26 pm

    Sean Hannity either forgot some details, or thought that was not the key fact in favor of George Zimmerman, because you could still accuse George Zimmerman of starting the fight even if Trayvon MArtin had approached him.

    But while not establishing Trayvon Martin’s guilt, this is an important way of underming Eric Guster’s claim.

    The key point to Sean Hannity was George Zimmerman getting assaulted and losing. Interestingly, Eric Guster didn’t attempt to challenge him on that, but made the big crime George Zimmerman supposedly approaching Trayvon Martin, implying, I suppose, that anything Trayvon Martin did after that was self-defense.

      Gremlin1974 in reply to Sammy Finkelman. | June 11, 2015 at 7:29 pm

      Well in the end Hannity also kind of wussed out at the end anyway by saying he “supported the verdict” even after he himself had reported the eyewitness testimony that exonerated Zimmerman.

Sammy Finkelman | June 11, 2015 at 3:30 pm

Sean Hannity actually had it wrong about George Zimmerman having his head pounded into cement while screaming for his life at the top of his lungs. That is what was said a lot, and indeed George Zimmerman;s head was injured, but maybe if Sean Hannity had been paying more careful attention he would have realized that wasn’t quote right, and that while George Zimmerman did indeed initially have his head pounded into the cement, he had quickly managed to get himself onto the grass, so his head was being pounded into the grass.

And furthermore, not very far and not with much force. He was almost on the ground.

The first time, when he went down onto the cement, he had probably managed to break his fall.

As the fighting went on, George Zimmerman was probaby able to slow down the speed so his head was hitting the grass with hardly any force at all. Anything more, and George Zimmerman would have really been injured.

GZ’s biggest handicap was that at the same time he resisted, he had to keep the gun hidden. But then Trayvon Martin saw it and threatened to kill him, if that version, which he never stated under oath, is true.

George Zimmerman was shouting and he was being told the police were called, but nobody was intervening physically.

He was screming because he didn’t know how long he’d be able to prevent himself from being injured severely.

The accusers of George Zimmerman of course had to say that it was Travon Martin on the ground calling for help. Eric Guster, however, did not seem to want to go into that because he knows that is wrong – and highly improbable.

It kind of raises the question of why then did George Zimmerman wait 45 seconds to use his gun, knowing the police were coming.

    BrokeGopher in reply to Sammy Finkelman. | June 11, 2015 at 4:25 pm

    How long does it take to suffer brain damage from repeated blows to the head? How long would you give the cops to show up? You don’t know if they’re 5 seconds away or 5 minutes. All that matters is, they’re not here now and my life is in danger. Bang.

      +1. I think some people are over-thinking this.

      Sammy Finkelman in reply to BrokeGopher. | June 11, 2015 at 5:24 pm

      George Zimmerman actually gave it about 45 seconds, although for most of that period, he was also successfully concealing the gun, and maybe also kept on hoping that in another 3 to 5 second second, he’d through Trayvon Martin off of him.

      Gremlin1974 in reply to BrokeGopher. | June 11, 2015 at 7:32 pm

      “How long does it take to suffer brain damage from repeated blows to the head?”

      It doesn’t even take “repeated blows” it could only take one.

    Char Char Binks in reply to Sammy Finkelman. | June 13, 2015 at 1:59 am

    There’s no time like RIGHT NOW for self defense.

Sammy Finkelman | June 11, 2015 at 3:36 pm

Now there is one thing that is true. George zimmerman did not want to meet the police back where he had parked his truck.

That does raise the possibility that he wanted to find out where Trayvon Martin had gone.

But not that he wasnted tp confront him.

He had just called the police.

What he possibly wanted was for the police to confront him, and establish whether or not he was trespassing, and get him off the territory, if he was, and maybe prevent a burglary.

It would be enough for GZ to spot him, and the last thing he would want to do is make the fact that he spotted him known to TM, because then he would run away again or hide.

    Estragon in reply to Sammy Finkelman. | June 12, 2015 at 12:39 am

    Flatly not true and against all evidence. When the operator said “We don’t need you to do that, sir [follow TM to see where he went]” GZ said “Okay,” and turned back toward his truck at that point. He was headed in that direction when TM accosted him. You are inventing this out of whole cloth.

      Char Char Binks in reply to Estragon. | June 13, 2015 at 2:02 am

      GZ agreed not to follow TM anymore, but he couldn’t anyway, because he’d already lost sight of him. That doesn’t mean he wouldn’t or shouldn’t keep an eye out for him.

DINORightMarie | June 11, 2015 at 3:39 pm

Where did Guster go to law school? He is a DEFENSE attorney?!

Do they really not teach the law anymore to people who have chosen to be social justice warriors (SJW) or advocates….or, is it just his selective/unequal application of the law that he has CHOSEN to “practice” (based on the color of one’s skin, not the content of the person’s character)? Is that how a “defense attorney” operates in Obama’s America?!

Some say he’s delusional; perhaps he is. However, not understanding the Martin/Zimmerman case, the law(s) applied, the outcome, and how DEFENDING Zimmerman according to FL law worked…..and mouthing off about it on-air – inexcusable.

    platypus in reply to DINORightMarie. | June 12, 2015 at 2:10 am

    They teach very little law theory in the average law school. However, they do indoctrinate in commie thinking very well. And they teach how to compose half a page of string cites.

George Zimmerman was 100% justified in using deadly force to protect himself against a deadly, immediate threat that night, and the justice system confirmed that. But that doesn’t matter to the left.

The “white racist Southerner stalks and guns down poor wee black boy in cold blood and gets away with it because Stand Your Ground” narrative is just such a wonderful narrative, serving so many progressive stereotypes at once, they have to keep it running at all costs.

For those men the truth is literally skin deep. For them the truth is dictated by race and race alone. They probably believe that Zimmerman is white and not Hispanic too.

: “—so you’re saying that George Zimmerman was right?”

Translation: Trayvon Martin was black, therefore he could only be innocent.

BrokeGopher | June 11, 2015 at 4:22 pm

This is what happens when someone so wrapped up in a lie hears the truth.

“What?!? You don’t think Bigfoot exists?!? Are you kidding? OMG I can’t believe you just said that. Your credibility just went out the window, man.”

Has anyone ever mustered the nerve to tell people like these two that there is no Santa Claus? Imagine the meltdown.

Great screen cap. Green Tie Guy looks like he’s just learned that professional wrestling isn’t real.

Henry Hawkins | June 11, 2015 at 4:59 pm

C’mon, it’s cable news, which is largely stagecraft, even at FOX. Those two guests were selected and expected to blow up. O’Reilly does the same.

    I concede the point. So what?

    Movies are explicitly fake–I presume everybody knows John Wayne was never an actual cowboy–but we can still enjoy those, can’t we?

    Why should we get any less pleasure out of the theatrics of cable news?

    And, by the by, that clip was a lot more fun to watch than most anything I see on the NON-Fox cable news channels.

    Maybe that explains the enormous ratings differential?

    Fox has better theatrics. 🙂

    –Andrew, @LawSelfDefense

      Ragspierre in reply to Andrew Branca. | June 11, 2015 at 5:51 pm

      “I presume everybody knows John Wayne was never an actual cowboy”

      Dunno what qualifies as being “actual”. He did spend as much time on a horse as a lot of “actual” wage-earning cowboys, and was pretty good.

      My father fell off horses for a living in Hollywood, and he was never an “actual” cowboy. But that would have been easy, by comparison. He was never an actual knight in armor, either, but he did joust on film.

      I have a very smart friend who thinks that Wayne had a special SAA Colt built that would make him look bigger on screen. But there’s just nothing to support that. He was just a big Irish broth of a baiy.

      Henry Hawkins in reply to Andrew Branca. | June 11, 2015 at 7:14 pm

      Wasn’t speaking to you, AB.

      You OK? Seem a little thin skinned today, lol.

        Oh, no, I’m good. Sorry if came across otherwise. Just rushed, as usual. You know what they say, people shooting each other is a growth industry. 🙂

        –Andrew, @LawSelfDefense

          Henry Hawkins in reply to Andrew Branca. | June 11, 2015 at 8:17 pm

          lol. You’re like the Grim Reaper. BTW, bought two of your books, gave one to bro-in-law, a retired DA. He LOVED it.

          It’s very gratifying how well received the book/seminars are by the prosecutors, defense counsel, and judge, especially as they’re primarily designed for non-lawyers.

          Most gratifying, of course, are the LEOs who find value in it. Lord knows they need it, being on the pointy end of the spear. (They’re also generally the funniest bastards at the seminars–always a healthy exchange of lawyer-cop jokes.)

          –Andrew, @LawSelfDefense

          Henry Hawkins in reply to Andrew Branca. | June 12, 2015 at 12:21 pm

          Yeah, my father retired from the Detroit PD. As a kid (50s/60s), his precinct buddies (WWII vets all) were my unofficial uncles. Funny-ass bunch of people – and totally wild-ass off duty.

I have discussed the Martin/Zimmerman case with many people who are on the pro-Martin side. So far NOT ONE of them has been able to construct a pro-Martin narrative that is consistent with the evidence. Zimmerman’s injuries, the recorded screams in the background of a 911 call, John Good’s witness testimony, Zimmerman’s jacket that was wet on the back, grass stains on Martin’s knees, abrasions on Martin’s knuckles, the angle of the bullet injury — all are consistent with Zimmerman’s account of what happened.

Andrew writes:

“It seems the two guests neglected to avail themselves of the totally free resource: “The Zimmerman Files: Aggregated day-by-day live coverage & analysis”, or otherwise inform themselves on the case.”

I had a good laugh on that one. Thanks, Andrew. I’m a confirmed snarkaholic.

Midwest Rhino | June 12, 2015 at 9:39 am

These two escaped felons, story goes there is some book felons read about manipulating people. A released convict appearing on FOX said these people (like the woman that aided the escape) get into almost a dopamine trance, when receiving the adoration they apparently crave.

Anyway, that seems the case with the LIV PC crowd, and the collectivists know that book from memory. The lost boys and girls want to belong, and the PC religion gives them a home.

All that’s required is to righteously take up the PC cause. Shout down FOX or Rush or Palin … any specific target designated for the Hate Treatment. This secures their place in the religion, and hence society. (the PC religion has denominations, black, green, LGBT, AGW, etc., but they bond under “Lightworker” Obama as current Pope, against common enemy exceptional America)

So they taunt cops, riot, post online, or just smugly cling to their Hollywood “Friends”. They just want love, and are in a sort of trance, but in a cultish, unhealthy way. This happens more when the village/hood raises the child, instead of parents choosing healthy activities and groups with oversight. (people that cling to religion and guns)

Ace of Spades was writing yesterday, about Obama getting ahead of the news with the fake story, that sticks for the LIV voter. They get the PC Cleaned version, and when facts arise later it’s just confusing clutter to them, and the little brain sticks with the PC sanitized “Truth”.

“Why, he (Obama) never dissembles with an opening, nothing-to-see-here lie in hopes that people will be bored by the story and will not be interested in follow up pieces.”

In this case, they think GZ confronted and started the fight, then he was losing so he shot TM, and that was not fair. They add in (the lie) that police ordered GZ to stay in his car. Once their mind is filled with the PC lie, the rest is just FAUX News lies they won’t accept. It’s like talking into a loaded shotgun.

LIV’s deny the cognitive dissonance (displayed in the above pic) of MSM’s fabrications, like Little Red Riding Hood (small child TM with candy and hoody), beating the crap out of big bad wolf GZ.

Char Char Binks | June 13, 2015 at 1:26 am

This is why I don’t respect lawyers.

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