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Dem Dilemma: Hillary “very old, slow” but Elizabeth Warren unelectable

Dem Dilemma: Hillary “very old, slow” but Elizabeth Warren unelectable

Narratives matter, so make them stick now.

Hillary is the presumptive Democratic Party presidential nominee. She has a large double-digit lead over other potential contenders.

The one thing Hillary doesn’t have, however, is grassroots enthusiasm. Her support as the presumptive nominee is a mile wide and an inch deep. She’s popular because of name recognition and organizational power. No one wants to be on Bill and Hillary’s enemies list.

But Hillary has an image problem, as reflected in this Jay Leno appearance, via The Daily Caller:

Comedian Jay Leno says he likes presumptive Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton, but she just seems so old.

Speaking of Clinton on HBO’s “Real Time with Bill Maher” Friday, Leno commented, “I don’t see the fire.”

“Her and Elizabeth Warren are almost the same age,” Leno said, comparing Hillary to the Massachusetts senator beloved by the left wing of the Democratic Party. “And I see Elizabeth Warren come out — ‘boom’ — throwing punches. ‘Boom, boom, boom, boom.’”

“And I like her,” Leno continued, speaking of Hillary. “But she seems to be sort of, she seems very slow and very — I don’t see that fire, you know, that fire that I used to see, that I see in Elizabeth Warren. Because I say to people, ‘how much younger is Elizabeth Warren than Hillary?’ And people go, ‘oh, 15 years.’ No! 18 months.”

Elizabeth Warren, by contrast? She’s intriguing:

I stand by my prediction that should Elizabeth Warren challenge Hillary, Hillary’s support would evaporate.

But Warren has her own problem. She may not be electable in a national general election, as this Hillary money man worries, Via Washington Free Beacon:

Is Elizabeth Warren making a major Hillary Clinton backer nervous?

Marc Lasry, CEO of Avenue Capital Group, took shots at Elizabeth Warren on Thursday saying, “I think the press for whatever reason loves Elizabeth Warren. I think Elizabeth Warren would have no shot of being president.”

Lasry came to Hillary’s defense soon after Elizabeth Warren took digs at the Clintons in her speech at the AFL-CIO Summit on Raising Wages. The comments made on CNBC’s Squawk Box will only do more to increase tensions between the camps of the Democrat presidential hopefuls.

Asked about Hillary being pushed to the left, Lasry said, “She is who she is.”

These competing narratives count. The culture matters. Old and stale easily could become (if it’s not already) Hillary’s narrative, while Warren’s is exciting but not ready for presidential prime time.

These are not invented narratives made up by Republican operatives, these are narratives voiced by Democrats themselves. Republicans should make sure these narratives stick, and do so now.


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Not A Member of Any Organized Political | January 10, 2015 at 3:35 pm

Wait, wait, wait!

You mean Lizzie Borden Warren ISN’T Hillary’s older, meaner, uglier sister????

Could have fooled me with their identical twin looks and centuries old, un-workable communist ideogolies.

The Dems are in trouble since they are only floating two women for president. It has to be a woman? Neither of which has a track record?

The Republicans own 2016 unless they give it away by breaking as many promises as they can, which has already started with the passage of CRomnibus and retention of Boehner as Speaker.

    I think their problem is that they DO have a track record.

    In the case of Hillary, it includes:

    1) Her destroying the lives of numerous women who were raped and abused by her sexual predator husband (War on Wymin!)

    2) Her being kicked off the Watergate Investigation for lying and unethical behavior

    3) Her laughing, on tape, about getting a child rapist off even though she knew he was guilty

    4) Investment fraud

    5) The incident where missing Rose billing files were miraculously found in her office

    6) “What difference, at this point, does it make!?!”

    7) …. awww hell, isn’t that enough?

      Henry Hawkins in reply to Paul. | January 10, 2015 at 6:09 pm

      One more: a Hillary presidency makes Bill Clinton the First Lady. We’ll have Bill in our faces on every channel, 24/7, for 4-8 years.


      walls in reply to Paul. | January 11, 2015 at 10:01 am

      I’d add the Vince Foster situation … really another can of worms. The FBI knows Foster did not commit suicide, and death did not occur on the Fort Marcy Park bench.

      Frank G in reply to Paul. | January 11, 2015 at 3:48 pm

      perhaps Bill Cosby could give her a shout out?

    Parsons in reply to McAllister. | January 10, 2015 at 6:16 pm

    No, there is one other.

    I’d love to see Crazy Uncle Joe win the nomination. Seriously, even if the GOPe manages to lose the general (I wouldn’t put it past them) surely the leftist media won’t be able to cover for him with a straight face.


      Henry Hawkins in reply to Parsons. | January 10, 2015 at 6:35 pm

      I’d love nothing better than Joe Biden as president. Holy crap, every day a laughfest full of rib-hugging crack ups while we watch the day’s videos of Joe Being Joe. President Joe cops a feel while an adoring nation looks on.

Hillary can’t win now… *L*
because of this…

Bill Clinton just got caught in another sex scandal this time involving underage sex slaves (ages ranging from 17-13) on an island he visited multiple times (nicknamed orgy/sex slave island) which one of his good friends Jeffrey Epstein owns. the underage slave girls were paid 15,000 to bed politicians/royalty/academics/powerful influential people.

…now, if Hillary runs she’s screwed if in 2016 the interviews of each of these young girls come out and they say they had frequent sex with bill clinton. HAHAHAHA! …if she attacks them (it’s the war on women mantra) …if she defends bill – Hillary will be seen as being pro-rape, pro-pedophilia.

and she can’t divorce Bill Clinton or side with the girls …because she needs Bill for his political connections if she does try a bid – she’s fucked

unless of course she pays those girls millions of dollars to keep quiet. *lol* …if I were them tho I’d ask for 100’s of billions of dollars…

and even when I’d cash those billions… I quietly drop an interview vid anonymously through an anonymous source …so that it makes it way in the hands of several media source outlets… just to fuck her over and ruin her chances at a presidential any bid. …pretty deserving in the end.

Hillary is NOT slow.

She’s one of the fastest people around with a four-prong walker…

    TrooperJohnSmith in reply to stevewhitemd. | January 13, 2015 at 11:26 am

    ….which the Dallas defensive line could also not catch!

    “Watt” a difference just ONE good pass rusher could have made against one-legged Rodgers! 😆

I have serious doubts Hillary will even run in the end.

She’s pulling in $2-300 grand per speech, plus expenses. She can draw all the money she needs for traveling the world from the Clinton Foundation. She has a new first grandchild who will be going through the cutest, cuddliest, heart-warming years while Hillary would be campaigning and governing, and just hitting puberty when she leaves office after two terms.

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To run successfully, she would have to delicately solicit all the Obama supporters and voters while drawing sharp differences between him and her. She would have to defend her votes for the war and Patriot Act, neither of which she really supported but was afraid of compromising her political viability by opposing, against attacks from the left. And she would have to constantly kiss the rear ends of average people, who she feels should rightly be kissing hers.

Hillary is not someone who can fake sincerity well, unlike Bill.

    Putting aside the obvious fact that Hillary and Fauxcahontas are both already running – the only reason they haven’t announced is because it will create legal requirements around fund raising – if Hillary were to actually not run, those incredible speaking fees would dry up as soon as the presidential election season started.

    She can’t just sit back on her “laurels” and expect to retire in the style to which she hopes to be accustomed.

    NC Mountain Girl in reply to Estragon. | January 11, 2015 at 1:16 pm

    How many people will want to hear Hillary if she wasn’t a potential presidential candidate?

    The Clintons have become a business that has a large number of employees dependent upon it. They need someone who is a potential candidate to keep money coming into the foundation. For now that is Hillary, but I suspect that we will soon hear that Chelsea is eying a run for office.

    I don’t think Hillary really wants to run, but for now at least she has to act like she does to keep the money machine working.

    Frank G in reply to Estragon. | January 11, 2015 at 3:51 pm

    If she’s out as POTUS candidate, the big “speaking money” will move on from her and Bill to the next “bought” candidate-in-waiting

Just what this country needs in Warren, another academic. Not.

NC Mountain Girl | January 11, 2015 at 12:41 pm

The media class knows Hillary is stale. The worst selling People cover of 2014 was the one that featured Hillary. While Warren isn’t much younger in years she is largely unknown outside of the political class which gives them more to write about.

The articles and the comments don’t address the fundamental question: Why can’t Senator Warren win?

The easy answer at legalinsurrection is that he phony claim to American Indian heritage is offensive and shows bad character. While that is a problem, it doesn’t begin to compare with Sec. Clinton’s baggage. Add to that President Clinton’s baggage and Hillary’s record of total failure in public service.

Unlike Hillary, Warren made her way in the world on her own. She may have helped herself by lying about being an Indian, but she didn’t get to be powerful by being the wife of a successful person. Furthermore, when Hillary became a Senator, she arrived with all of the influence in the world, but she didn’t do a thing with it. Warren had zero influence, but she built a position of influence for herself by her own ideas.

And so we return to the basic question: Why can’t Warren win?

The answer is that Wall Street, especially the Big Banks, know that Warren is a threat to the established order, and they are funnelling huge amounts of money into Hillary’s campaign to stop Warren and to get Hillary elected. They know that President Hillary Clinton will reward them. Hillary will be the best government money can buy.

Warren is dangerous because she actually believes in change. People probably should go to jail for the events leading up to the banking collapse. If the big banks are too big to fail, then the answer is to break them up and re-establish rules that existed before. There are very powerful people who want to ensure that that doesn’t happen.

This points to something very very sick about our political class — Republicans and Democrats. The ruling class likes things the way they are.

    Immolate in reply to kevino. | January 12, 2015 at 3:32 pm

    Warren is definitely more interesting than Clinton. You get a sense that she really believe the hoo-haw she’s shoveling. Authenticity is hard to fake and Hillary sucks at it. Warren’s problem is that she is left of Obama, and lacks his ability to present a blank etch-a-sketch for Americans to project their policy preferences on. Americans will hesitate to vote for a genuine socialist.

    Warren is like an old Ted Cruz or Rand Paul with different plumbing.

    Clinton is like an old Jeb Bush with rusted plumbing.

    TrooperJohnSmith in reply to kevino. | January 13, 2015 at 11:30 am

    Wait until someone starts digging around in Warren’s Oklahoma real-estate and landlord past.

    Oh, wait. Never mind. The (Formerly) Free Press doesn’t do that any more, unless you have a Dash-R after your name.

    CTRL Z.

Elizabeth Warren looks like Norman Bates’s mother except with glasses.

Democrats have only one possible candidate who could be a threat: Jim Webb. Hillary will destroy his reputation early, so voters are left with a biased 1st impression.

    TrooperJohnSmith in reply to Matt_SE. | January 13, 2015 at 11:33 am

    You better believe that evidence of anything Jim Webb has ever, ever done is already living inside a manila folder in Jimmuh Caw-ville’s office.