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If the Elizabeth Warren presidential train picks up steam, will Hillary raise the Cherokee issue?

If the Elizabeth Warren presidential train picks up steam, will Hillary raise the Cherokee issue?

I hear Elizabeth Warren’s presidential train a comin’, it’s rollin’ round the bend

Hillary Clinton should watch her back. If Hillary thought there couldn’t possibly be another Barack Obama ’08, she better think again

We’ve addressed this many times before.

Elizabeth Warren is playing the base perfectly. Stoking them up with class warfare and anti-Supreme Court demagoguery, yet playing coy to a presidential bid.

But her train is coming.  There is a groundswell of support for Warren, and Warren can shake so much money out of Democratic donors it would make Terry McAuliffe blush.

From The NY Times, Populist Left Makes Warren Its Hot Ticket:

After Senator Elizabeth Warren spoke at a luncheon in Beverly Hills, Calif., last month, women from the audience swarmed around her, many of them asking the same question: will you run for president?

Ms. Warren’s fiery speech at the national A.F.L.-C.I.O. convention this month set off even more excitement, with some union members standing on their chairs applauding and shouting out to her. And when she joined a conference call this summer to promote her student loan legislation, 10,000 people got on the line — the liberal group’s biggest audience on any conference call in four years.

In Democratic circles, disappointment in the promise of the Obama presidency and unease over a possible restoration of the Clintons have made the senator, who was sworn in just 10 months ago, the object of huge interest and the avatar of a newly assertive, fervently populist left eager for a more confrontational approach to politics.

Ms. Warren, a Massachusetts Democrat, said in an interview that she was not interested in seeking the presidency. And despite talk of a draft movement among some activists, it is difficult to imagine her taking on former Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton.

Just as Obama tapped into Clinton fatigue, so too will Warren:

Atlantic Liberals Want Elizabeth Warren

Warren is smart to stay focused on things other than Hillary right now.  The Clinton oppo-research machine may not yet have started digging through old archives in Oklahoma, but it will if it has to.

If Warren runs, you better believe that her Cherokee fakery will be an issue in the Democratic primary. 

The Clinton machine will make the 2012 Massachusetts Senate race seem like the little leagues, and will put to shame for not digging hard enough.

Remember, it was the Hillary machine that first raised Obama’s birthplace as an issue.


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Smart Clinton staff are already perusing the Legal Insurrection archives.

Oh my. Lizzie the Fraud for Prez!

She’ll never be PREZ…but scary thought is that when Hillary fails (again), and if a male from outside North East (Mark Warner from VA; Antonio Villaraigosa from LA) wins, well Lizzie the Fraud will be the perfect VP to ‘balance the ticket’

God Help us!

    Bruno Lesky in reply to george. | September 30, 2013 at 6:13 pm

    With the current fellow in the White House on his second term (more evidence obvious of at best incompetence), do you think a Pres. Warren is completely far-fetched?

NC Mountain Girl | September 30, 2013 at 1:40 pm

Both Hillary and Liz remind me of the the fifth grade school teacher every student loved to hate. Almost every American encountered one of them at some time while in school. They looked like frumps, they acted like scolds and every smart kid was on to how all that was needed to earn an A was to flawlessly parrot back the nonsense they spouted.

Ms. Warren, a Massachusetts Democrat, said in an interview that she was not interested in seeking the presidency.

Well, there you have it.

Elizabeth Warren is incapable of lying, so you can forget about her ever running for President.

“If the Elizabeth Warren presidential train picks up steam, will Hillary raise the Cherokee issue?”


Obamacare isn’t the only train wreck to attempt to leave the station.

There are two things that could go badly for Ms. Warren. She likes to give class warfare speeches but when it came time to vote for a fat cat banker, Jack Lew, for treasury, she fell right in line.
There is also a matter of her deliberately misleading her base with regards to Glass-Steagall and the sub prime crisis in order to keep the class warfare narrative going.

    Musson in reply to tkc882. | September 30, 2013 at 4:14 pm

    Do you honestly believe the Democrat base is smart enough to care?

      Spiny Norman in reply to Musson. | September 30, 2013 at 9:48 pm

      All one needs to do is take in a daily dose of Dem tweets compiled at Twitchy to know they haven’t the slightest idea what any of that means.

      (Did you know the ACA is a Constitutional Amendment now and opposing Obamacare is Treason?)

…and Warren can shake so much money out of Democratic donors it would make Terry McAuliffe blush.

You won’t make him blush but you would make him jealous.

I agree with George, above: Ms. Warren would be the sort of pick for VP that John Edwards was for Kerry. She’s glib, she can electrify the base, and she can play the media. If the Dems had a liberal presidential candidate outside the northeast I could see this easily.

But she definitely could be the Dem pick for president precisely because there is no other viable liberal-progressive pick. It won’t be Hillary because the OFA crowd hates her and will do whatever it takes to submarine her chances. It also won’t be a seeming “moderate” like Warner (VA) for much the same reason. I can certainly see the OFA crowd going for Warren in a big way.

As to the Cherokee issue, the Professor notes that it was the Hillary machine that first raised the concern about Obama’s birthplace. Fat lot of good that did them, and it will be the same for Fauxahontas in 2016 — the OFA crowd won’t care and the media won’t bother.

Imagine: Warren versus Christie (and you know Christie will get the media nod the same way McCain did in the primaries). Warren versus Christie. I may go dig a bunker.

VetHusbandFather | September 30, 2013 at 2:32 pm

Sure, put Warren on the Democrat ticket. We could run McCain again and even he could beat her.

Palin will destroy her.

When she ran in Massachusetts she was known as Fauxcahontas, aka Chief Spreading Bull, the first Native American woman to run for Senate. Now she’s on the warpath for President?

My prediction months ago. The Left only goes in one direction. She’ll barely have to lift a finger to defeat Hillary. I mean that literally — she will be the picture of effortless confidence because she understands the inner motions and moods of the Left and will play them like a fiddle. Hillary, on the other hand, is caught between worlds and will sweat and flail and fail. Her time has come and gone.

(For all this talk about the “Clinton machine”, both Clintons flailed ineptly against Obama. They’re just not dialed into the Leftist political psychodrama like Obama was, and like Warren is.)

Lizzie Boredom, took an axe and gave her mother forty whacks when she saw what she had done she gave her country forty-one.

A couple of points on the the “Cherokee” issue. 1. The Left doesn’t care. 2. The issue will be spun by the MSM as another “birther” deal. Too abstract and immaterial to “the real problems facing us.”

As long as Hillary “can’t make up her mind” to run. Or not to run. She can BAG MONEY! So, she’s not taking her name off the list.

Personally, having seen Kerry collapse, he’s no longer considered worthy of being given another run. On the other hand, I think Andrew Cuomo gets the slot. He’s young. The dems LUV a family that can inherit Camelot. And, Elizabeth Warren won’t be his veep choice, either. Two from the east coast? Doubt it. Maybe, “Moonbeam” from California?

Nobody picks winners in advance. The future is unknown. And, remains unknowable. Doesn’t stop ticket sales at horse races.

Harry Reid’s getting up in years. But the dems run their benches with the possiblity that ahead, Elizabeth Warren owns her seat the way Tiddy Kennnedy did! And, she’d be first in line to replace Reid, when he retires.

The “other” problem (besides just raising the money), is the need to spend two years gallivanting around this country. Making yourself known in all the states. And, in all their byways. What we’re watching now (and have been for at least two years), is Chris Christie’s attempt to mount the GOP stage as it’s nominee in 2016.

If it gets to be Chris Christie, more than half the country has to be willing “to play against type.”

    Bruce Hayden in reply to Carol Herman. | September 30, 2013 at 3:16 pm

    Don’t think so, as far as Fauxhauntis Warren getting the majority leader slot when Reid leaves. She would have to claw her way over Chuck Schumer’s cold lifeless body to do so. She may be popular, but she doesn’t know all the tricks of running the Senate and getting stuff done there. To learn that requires years of experience, and a personal relationship with the dominant men bears of their caucus. Besides, Dems always do things at least somewhat by seniority – which is how committee chairs can often slide back into their chairmanships after being in the minority, even for a decade or more. Plenty of old white guys in the Senate would most likely believe that they were ahead of her in line.

    Rick the Curmudgeon in reply to Carol Herman. | October 1, 2013 at 12:51 am

    …Chris Christie’s attempt to mount the GOP stage…

    Thanks Carol; it’s going to take a steel-wire brush to get THAT visual out of my brain.

    And if Christie IS the GOP nominee, regardless of his VP pick, the GOP will go the way of the Whigs.

I can see her maybe getting the Dem nomination, but not winning. Too old and too liberal. And, yes, too corrupt. She is somewhere between a pre-Baby Boomer to an early Boomer at a time when our era has passed. Just remember the energetic Obama running against the old and tired McCain. Besides, the country is moving to the right, to conservatism (which is why the Dems, etc, are so desperate to enact immigration “reform”, in order to recruit al those new Dem voters).

Sure she can energize portions of the traditional Dem base, but how well will she do elsewhere? What is she going to say to voters half her age? Vote for me because I got into law school, and then got a string of ever more prestigious jobs by lying about being an American Indian? That she was able to make millions by consulting with big companies while she should have been teaching to justify her salary as a LS prof? That what is good for MA is good for the rest of the country?

As a Massachusetts resident, I would rather see SkyNet become self-aware and start sending terminators back in time than see Lizzie get a presidential nod.

Why not? Warren can always as Hillary, “What difference – at this point, what difference does it make?”

Mr. J left a nice little land mine in the Warren pathway to national office:

I saw this NYTimes story linked on Drudge earlier, and it is terrifying. Before Obama, I would have thought there was no way this woman could win, but now I think it may be time to start checking out real estate in Australia. As a MA resident, I thought before the election that she would lose, because Scott Brown was pretty popular here, and even my lefty neighbors thought she was pretty shrill and hard to take. But then the democrat machine moved out in force, just like they did here in 2010 in response to Brown’s victory, waking up all their voters and dragging them to the polls, and probably voting for them in many cases, which would be easy to do here with no voter ID requirement. I saw a woman in front of me on line vote for her, even though she told me she had lived in NY for two years. She hadn’t changed her registration because she wanted to come back and vote for Warren. She was literally dragging her suitcase behind her to the polls. I reported her to the police officer on duty and later called the Secretary of State’s office to complain and report her by name, but I’m pretty sure nothing ever came of it.

I posted the following the other night after attending a Harvard Law School event where women were practically bowing down to her and literally begging her to run:

This is O/T, but tonight I went to the Harvard Law School Celebration of 60 Years of Women dinner, where Elizabeth Warren received an award and was the main speaker, with Dean Martha Minow asking her a bunch of softball questions. I went to the thing because my mother was in the first class of women, and I am also an alumna, so she really wanted me to come with her. I drank a lot of wine to deal with having to watch everyone lauding Elizabeth Warren, but even though I hate speaking in public, I forced myself to get up, and I asked her the only challenging question, regarding how Obama as a senator said that raising the debt ceiling and increasing the debt on our children was unpatriotic, but now it’s okay, even though Bush only increased the debt by about 5 trillion in 8 years and Obama has increased it by about 7 trillion in 5 years. I also asked her if she thought part of the problem with student debt, which she had railed against earlier, was that some professors make over $300,000 teaching just one class. She gave some BS answers about how the financial crisis changed everything, etc, etc, so I didn’t feel like I accomplished much, but then Elizabeth Holtzman came over and bitched me out, so maybe I drew a little blood. I really hate these people. Thank you, Professor Jacobson, for fighting the good fight day in and day out for us. You are an inspiration to many of us.

BannedbytheGuardian | September 30, 2013 at 7:05 pm

Nah. Hillary will have her killed.

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