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Tuesday, July 9 Commentary
During the lunch recess, or immediately thereafter, we will TRY topost a mid-day update. We’ll then follow up with the usual detailed end-of-day wrap up, including video and embedded Tweets, at the usual time in the evening.
Our end-of-day wrap-up and analysis of yesterday focused on the collapse of the State’s “scream” theory of the case, which imploded with the disclosure that Tracey Martin had initially denied that the screaming on the Lauer 911 recording was that of his son, Trayvon Martin. It also noted that the Court had decided to allow Trayvon Martin’s toxicology report to be allowed into evdience. Also, of course, it contains video of all the other testimony and hearings caught on camera throughout the day. That can be found here:
Implosion: Police Testify Trayvon’s Father Originally Denied Son Was Screaming
This past weekend I posted up an analytical piece of Mark O’Mara’s request for a judgment of acquittal. O’Mara’s motion was well-reasoned and supported by Florida’s case law. It was, of course, doomed to peremptory denial by Judge Nelson. In that piece I’ve linked almost all of the case citations made by O’Mara to full-length copies of the decisions, so you can see the sources for yourselves, if you like (most of the decisions are gratifyingly brief). You can see that here:
Why Zimmerman’s Motion for Acquittal Should Have Been Granted
Last Thursday, July 4, I had posted up a review of the trial to date, with some prognostication of how things may role out in the coming days. To take a look at that, click here:
Zimmerman Trial Review– How We Got Here, And Where We’re Going
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BDLR just doesn’t have any evidence, there is more evidence that proves GZ’s account and Bernie is not a good prosecutor.
BDLR, wandering through the wilderness aimlessly, not sure which direction to go.
Don’t ask GZ he runs into bushes
I really like how BDLR keeps saying, “Are you saying…” and the witness responds with, “No, what I said was…”
He misstates the witness’s testimony. Every. Single. Time.
And he does it on purpose in a very dishonest manner. Does the idiot think the jury doesn’t see that?
BDLR thought he was on a roll. Then the whole “how many cute little bunnies did you shoot?” thing failed to get any traction….
Meanwhile, over in the Twitterverse…
The HoodiesUp crowd seem to think that this expert is getting pwned and is somehow finally proving the state’s case (state has rested), that GZ should have “stayed” in his truck as “ordered” by cops and not “hunted” “stalked” and killed that innocent unarmed child. But also that he (the witness) is too long-winded (BDLR still on cross).
Un. Frakking. Real…
Just remember, they also vote. Which is the entire reason behind this farce.
Cute little bunnies? Since the laptop dies if I watch videos, I have to rely on you guys. Very interesting and funny drinking stories, btw —but cute little bunnies?
BDLR needs to stop . He’s not helping his case, this man is much smarter than he is and he’s looking like an ass. Better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than to open it and remove all doubt.
But remember, they are both bald-headed.
He thinks being bald-headed makes him smart. He’s not gonna stop.
It seems this whole “rolling around on the grass” and “rolling fight” theory is ridiculous. GZ had grass on his back and TM had grass/dirt on his knees…not all over themselves.
I’ll take “Grasping for Straws” for $500, Alex.
A lot of blood vessels. He just told you why.
so is the state’s theory is now GZ shot TM standing up after TM was beating him with a tree branch?LOL
MOM is almost laughing in the back ground.
Haha O’Mara is just sitting there smiling. He is loving this witness and Bernie’s cross. Can’t wait to see the re-direct.
“In other words, George Zimmerman could have hit Trayvon Martin and not left any bruising on his knuckles?” asked de la Rionda.
Great job BLDR! You just equally proved why TM may not have marks on his hands either!
Someone needs to ask BLDR how the Defense is paying him.
This is ridiculous. Why doesn’t 1 of BDLR’s co-counsel tell him he isn’t helping their case. Are they just as dumb?
My husband rebroke his nose once and he did put it back into place himself, so it’s possible.
I had to do a friends at a softball game once b/c he was going on vacation after game. It was easy and not that painful to friend he said.
I spoke to someone today who told me he suffered years of not being able to breathe properly and had to have a surgery on his nose. The injuries were from sports. Can breathe properly now.
I have reset mine twice, once sports related injury on the sideline, and once from inadvertently closed sliding glass door
hmmm, lots of things to say about the hitting yourself with a sliding door, but i’ll leave it be
Long story short – from grill to kitchen and headed back onto patio, face first into glass.
Yes inebriated
Next morning pondering whether or not I had been in a fight the previous night the rising sun illuminated a face print on the sliding door, stepping out on the patio and finding an empty bottle on the gas grill and charred remains of a drunken steak dinner forgotten on the grates, confirmed the black rings under my eyes and offset nose
Looks like Parks/ Crumps partner got up to leave as the city manager was sworn in
I admire your humility. Sounds like you know how to party!!!
I put my nose back in place once. It was nto a painless process, but getting it back where it belonged felt a whole lot better.
BDLR is casting about to find some scenario that comports with the evidence other than Zimmerman’s… he has not had a consistent story, he is flexible with every witness. Even though the areas each witness can’t rule out do not overlap to give him any one likely scenario.
The earlier poster was spot on. He is reduced to trying to find reasonable doubt in Zimmerman’s story because he does not have a story of his own.
Ah Ha he was right handed!
BDLR: “Is GZ right or left handed?”
I really didn’t understand why he even asked that question, especially as his last question. However it’s obvious GZ is writing with his left hand. Not that it makes any difference, my youngest son is left handed but bats and shoots right handed.
It has been long established that GZ writes with his left but does everything else right handed.
For what’s it’s worth I’m left-handed, but I kill with my right.
I drink with both hands, so I never run out.
Gotta maintain that balance in your chi…
BDLR: You are not an expert on little green men from space, and you are not here to testify about little green men from space, right?
Witness: Yes, sir.
BDLR: Ok, I have 100 questions for you about little green men from space.
Sounds like that witness who said GZ stood over TM and shot 3 times in back.
Yes, and how many times did Bernie ask the doc if he had read that lunatic woman’s statement — because that really would have added to the doc’s understanding of what happened, right Bernie?
By the time this is over, MOM will have proven well beyond a reasonable doubt, that Trayvon assaulted George, causing physical and mental damage. The state has not proven even an implausible scenario, let alone murder beyond doubt.
The resultant charges and emotional trauma George has suffered merit a civil suit to claim the money the CRUMmy liars have received via racist blackmail. Next will be the civil suit against the Black Panthers, the phony audio “exspurt”, NBC, etc.
That should mark the final chapter of “The Race Card Era”.
Hey … I can dream. 🙂
*picks up scissors* I’m sorry sir, I am going to have to cut this up. Your race card has been declined.
BDLR: Objection leading the witness. I’m only the one allowed to do that.
Imagine you’re a forensic pathologist and Vincent Di Maio is your boss. Would this be as close to heaven as you could get in the forensic pathologist’s world?
If you’re good and conscientious. Guys like Bao would most definitely NOT enjoy working for the good Doctor Di Maio.
CNN has decided this trial isn’t about George Zimmerman and self defense. It is about “Black Manhood.”
http://www.thenation.com/blog/175065/trayvon-martin-and-black-manhood-trial
The original link:
http://dailycaller.com/2013/07/07/cnn-asks-if-black-manhood-is-on-trial-in-zimmerman-case/
This article is inaccurate as it edits out all of Melissa Harris-Perry’s lisps. Seriously, it was painful trying to watch that show for the first time and I had to change the channel after about 2 mins.
You mean THIS BLACK MANHOOD?
The Black Manhood that creates dozens of babies that never know their Babydaddy?
The Black Manhood spends the rest of his time fighting, doing crime and doing time?
Saying it’s about black manhood as if TM is the epitome, is an insult to all the decent, upright, shtrong black men. It’s saying they’re only lean-sizzurping, house-casing, plant selling, weed smoking, house-B&E’ing thugs. False.
My next door neighbor’s best friend’s cousin’s barber found this in the dumpster outside the SA’s office the other day. I can attest to its authenticity as the State’s draft closing argument:
Innocently walking home after receiving the Save the Manatees / Mother Theresa Astronaut Scholarship, young Trayvon Martin was merely trying to fulfill his dying brother’s last wish: delivering a pack of Skittles and an iced tea. During his return, he was racially profiled by a white-supremacist Jew named George Zimmerman, who sported a Nazi swastika tattoo on his forehead. Zimmerman, in his night-vision outfitted NRA Hummer (license plate: IH8N1GZ), stalked the cheerful academic, using his assault bazooka to intimidate this young child who was woefully unarmed and wearing a red Hollister t-shirt. After initially escaping the perverted ogle of the registered sex molester, the little boy felt he was in the clear and relayed that information to his childhood sweetheart and study hall partner, DeeDee, to whom he was speaking with on the phone.
But, with the loving safety of his Father’s arms in sight, the much stronger and heavier predator – ignoring the command of Trayvon’s surrogate father, President Obama, to ‘Stand down!’ – ensued the sweet child, pounding him mercilessly whilst cursing him loudly and employing the most dehumanizing of racial epithets, in blatant violation of the 4th grader’s civil rights. Zimmerman then pulled out his unregistered Uzi sub-machinegun and unloaded seventeen rounds of armor-piercing hollow-point bullets through his tiny heart, killing the baby-faced toddler in cold blood. The murdering drug-addled dog-beater then called his father, the Florida Supreme Court Chief Justice, who interceded and prevented any police response or involvement whatsoever. Trayvon’s lean, lifeless body was cruelly abandoned in a little bit drippin’ water…
thanks for that I needed good laugh
Thanks, I’ll be here all week! Remember to try your waitress and tip the veal…
When does the 10 run mercy rule get inacted in Florida law, because if this were softball, this game would have been called already!
oops sorry Styro1, meant thumbs up, so true
Zimmerman right handed, writes left?
Yes
Ugh. The left-hand/right-hand thing has now replaced “Citizen’s Grand Jury” on my “things I want to stop hearing about” list. It was mentioned in opening statements over a week ago, and approximately 37 times in open court since then.
there is a grand jury involved now?;)
A grand jury?! Really?? I think we all need to hear more about this exciting development!!
😉
why does the pros think this is important? serious question
Yes.
Bats left.
Yep. Same and me (and my father BTW).
Where the f**k was BDLR when I was up on charges in the Ypsilanti Sheep Farm incident?!?
Perhaps I’ve said too much.
Bwhahahahahahaha!
Baaa-aaa-aaa.
Sheep lie.
didn’t you say you were a forensic psychologist, explains quite a bit actually…very funny
Whatever negatives you’ve heard or know about psychology, you still don’t know the half of it. I am embarrassed by what my field considers science.
THAT SHEEP TOLD ME SHE WAS 18.
If the hip boots fit,
You can’t acquit!
Wait. BDLR can object that West is being “argumentative” to his own, obviously friendly witness?
What is this I don’t even.
the first day i have missed the morning session an i am patiently waiting for Mr. Branca’s mid-morning wrap..i feel so ill-informed
Go to youtube and find the channel “thecount” (no space). They have all the testimony videos. You can catch up there
Jury has to be tired of pointless objections by now.
This guy has done his job, move it along jury is getting bored. I am.
Now he’s discrediting Dr. Bao: “If you have someone undressing the body for you, you should be standing there watching to make sure they do it right.”
Contrast that to Dr. Bao’s: “That’s not my job, that’s their job. I assume it was done right, but I don’t know because I wasn’t there and have no memory of it.”
Ah, the Freddie Prinze defense, “Ees no my zhob!”
Hahaha, Bernie just went to look at watch and stopped himself. He’s hating this witness. Probably feels like he has been up there for eternity.
It must not be as long as when he had Dr Bao on the stand – At least now there is information is being provided.
I’ve never watched a lynching in progress before.
Ok Matt. Breathe easy. Ambidextrous maybe. I have a daughter who writes left handed, bats right, paints right, eats right, throws left, shoots right. They term her left handed
The blood was not cleaned, that’s speculation.
It could have been vaporized by…..little green men from space.
Is it me, or does the prosecuting attorney appear to be, well, both ignorant and stupid? Wait, check that: it’s obviously not me.
This farce of a show trial should -mercifully-end soon. However, I have little faith in this or any criminal jury. See also O.J. Simpson and Menendez brothers trials. However, should this jury render a guilty verdict, it may well get overturned on appeal. I hope.
And BDLR keeps on going after reasonable doubt.
How can the government justify paying a salary?
Is reasonable doubt of self-defense grounds for manslaughter
No.
He is trying to discredit the doctor by using the absence of evidence.
If the jurors deliberate longer than 1 hour they are not reviewing the evidence they are discussing the political implications i.e. riots/looting.
This is the guy who had the Martins into his office to hear NEN and 911 calls. He is a city manager, not a politician. He should not have done this it was not his job he appointed the chief of police.
Kathi Belich is saying “Di Maio says the witnesses are all over the place and you can’t rely on them to determine how the shooting happened. ”
Sounds like reasonable doubt to me. I think if the jurors deliberate for more than 10 minutes on this case, I’d be scratching my head in amazement.
The jury might delay, so that the verdict is announced when the hurricane is close enough to stop the riots.
I think we should start a funny hashtag #whenwhitesriot and it would be very SWPL. Such as, they steal giant jars of mayonnaise from Sam’s Club. Let’s bring some racial reconciliation by making fun of Caucasians.
I’d go with “stealing hummus and White Zinfandel from Costco.”
Angela Corey looks like she’s seething. Good! A lot of folks pushed for this debacle of a trial, but the person most responsible is Corey. One way or another she has to be removed from her job for going forward with this prosecution.
Why wouldn’t the Martins want the police in the room. Very curious.
Probably upon request/order by benjamin crump.
Interesting factoid:
Sanford is 40% black and 55% white.
This factooid is not lost on jury. Seminole Co. is an upper middle class, mostly white suburb of Orlando. It has two rough patches, parts of old Sanford and parts of Casselberry. Otherwise, it’s a law and order, Republican, prosperous place. It’s not redneck; it includes lots of Northern Transplants and professionals who work in Orlando. Sanford has gentrified a bit in recent years, partly due to the construction of a large mall and the inclusion of some new, hip restaurants in the downtown. But it’s still known as an area with lots of sketchy and high crime places. Zimmerman’s neighborhood is built near the new mall, and was clearly a well built and new neighborhood, but clearly had some crime issues, almost all due to young black men.
good assessment, I grew up in Lake Mary both sets of my parents still live there, and all are CCW permits and are expecting riots
Just to reinforce the lesson about self-defense rights, in case people didn’t get it.
(Check your state laws but this is true in KY) you can defend real property, movable property, other people’s property, and other people under self-defense justification. You don’t have to get beat up first. There might be a live-enactment seminar to reinforce this right during any upcoming riots that may happen.
You need to send a copy of Andrew’s book to them asap!
Interesting.
And 5% white Hispanic, I guess?
Thats why LEO’s were not present. The Scheme Team
I don’t know if the City Manager is considered a Hostile witness, but he should have been.
He screwed up big time, has no way to deny it.
He better not get confrontational.
He had “screw whitey” written all over his face. Not to mention his tone of voice.
Why do all the prosecutors go to the bench. 3 brains against 1, 4 if you include the judge. And MOM still kicks their asses
Does the Martin family et. al have jobs or are they recipients of Obama’s kindness?
They got a 7 figure settlement from the homeowners assoc. Plus they have been all over the country, NYC, California, Texas and they actually went to London were they pass around trash buckets for people to fill with cash. TM’s mother actually trademarked his name to sell tee shirts, hats and sweatshirts. http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2013/07/05/thats-my-boy-now-wheres-my-money-wheres-my-benjamins/
they get their money by crying crocodile tears and trashcan tours.
What planet is Diana Tennis from? She just tweeted: “I blame the politicians and the lawyers for ruining any chance of conviction.”
You twit. I blame the politicians and lawyers for bringing a case that never should have seen the light of day.
Yep it wasn’t going to trial in the first place. I didn’t follow it closely back then, so not sure if the grand jury no billed it, or if they were even called at all.
They did not call a Grand Jury, but went straight to arrest and accusation based on the Crump/Julison narrative (evil blood-thirsty, racist, vigilante GZ hunted down and shot in cold blood, a sweet unarmed 12 year old boy who had only gone to the store for a soft drink and candy for his brother).
Arrest and affadavit, that is.
The Affadavit was written by Angela Corey and was called a crime by Harvard Law Professor and Criminal Attorney Alan Dershowitz:
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/megyn-kelly-guest-alan-dershowitz-slams-zimmerman-prosecutor-her-affidavit-is-a-crime/
Actually, the affidavit was written by BDLR and another guy (name eludes me) but signed off by Corey…so she owns that swill too.
And by “they,” Uncle Samuel means Angela Corey, after being appointed as special prosecutor. That took place after the original district attorney declined to file charges.
Corey cancelled the grand jury 24 hours before they were supposed to start.
The original State Attorney on the case (the one from Seminole County) did actually call a Grand Jury – the jurors were notified and all ready to convene, when Corey was parachuted in from up in Jacksonville, and canceled it less than 24 hours before it was meant to start. There were people who woke up that morning thinking they were going to go in and start hearing the case the next day, and didn’t find out until that afternoon that they weren’t going to after all.
Grand Jury was called by Wolfinger and canned by Angela Corey-Nifong
Sorry – I just saw your comment 🙂
She lives in a world where a wanna be gangbanger should have the right to give a beat down to some creepy ass cracker that is irritating him without fear of being shot.
I hope one day we, the taxpayers, get to know how much our “leaders” spent in this dog and pony show.
No consideration given to the desires of or possible future needs of law enforcement when the tapes were played for the family. Was this a typically liberal emotional response made without considering the consequences and ramifications or was done on purpose?
They didn’t need law enforcement to conjure up a race case, only the media.
Isn’t it a defense lawyer’s job to ruin any chance if conviction with the truth?
Somehow I don’t think she was referring to the defense team. I mean the defense team that GZ is paying. Not the one he’s getting pro bono courtesy of the state.
At this point, BDLR is not going for facts or truth, but to supply a few emotional sound bites for the Media to play with their Crump fictional narrative talking points.
Angela Corey is an equal opportunity vindictive bitch.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/19/marissa-alexander-gets-20_n_1530035.html
The woman had a restraining order. One of her mistakes was to go outside to get the weapon, at that point she was safe and should have called the authorities.
If that is the case of the black woman who went to her car and got a gun, then it was neither SYG or self-defense. She discharged the gun with her children in the cross-fire.
As the others point out, it’s neither “self defense” nor “stand your ground” when you leave a potentially dangerous situation where you claim you are “in fear for your life”, go get a gun, deliberately re-enter the potentially dangerous situation where you claim you are “in fear for your life”, and then open fire.
And by the way, yes she had a restraining order against the baby-daddy, but she also pleaded no contest to domestic violence against him. So they were neither of them angels.
And finally, this had not much to do with Corey – who offered her a 3-year plea deal which Alexander rejected. Once the shooter rejected the 3-year plea deal and opted to try her luck with a dodgy “Stand Your Ground” defense before a judge, that’s when the minimum sentencing laws kicked in. That’s hardly Corey’s fault.
Whatever happened to Diana Tennis?
I sued to like her as a court room legal analyst. She’s gone full moonbat:
Diana Tennis @TennisLaw
I blame the politicians and the lawyers for ruining any chance of conviction.<
I kinda blame the evidence.
What is her story? She is so irritating.
In her defense, she’s right that the prosecution ruined any chance at conviction, she just didn’t point out that that chance was <1% based on the lack of evidence. 😀
Just because the case was nearly impossible to start with doesn't mean that the prosecution didn't stink up the joint.
It was just one really stupid tweet among a whole host of them yesterday. She really has gone deep into crazy cat lady territory over the last few days.
MOM might have missed a good question for bonaparte: “isn’t doing everything within the power of the mayor and city manager’s office to ensure the police find the truth about what happened also being sensitive to the parents?”
Don’t you think the jury will conclude that without O’Mara’s help? I do.
perhaps, but all MOM has argued was that it was improper, and implied that it was politically motivated, not that they weren’t really being all that sensitive because they could have kept the police involved (to find the truth) AND let them listen b4 the public release
I hope Angela Corey, Ben Crump and whoever else involved in this political show trial end up being held accountable for this travesty. This is ridiculous.
Ain’t gonna happen!
If it wasn’t for the Scheme Team lawyers and politicians this would have been just another self defense case in a country where there were 393 in 2011 alone according to the FBI crime stats 299 of them with a handgun. There had be charges filed for the Martins to file suit for damages, that is why TrayMom said “we don’t care if he’s convicted we just want him charged”. http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-14
The table you link to is “Justifiable Homicide — by Weapon, Law Enforcement“.
The footnote clarifies, “The killing of a felon by a law enforcement officer in the line of duty”.
Nothing to do with civilian self-defense.
I think the defense expert did a nice job explaining that it was possible for Travon to move his arms underneath his bodies after the shooting.
That pulls another rug out from the state’s case. I am having a hard time, however, understanding why the state ever viewed this as important.
I don’t see what motive Zimmerman would have had to make up the story that he outstretched Travon’s arm, if he did not in fact do it. It is a detail that seems irrelevant to any of the issues of self-defense. Can anyone suggest how the state would argue this point, other than to suggest that Zimmerman is lying about it for some inexplicable reason?
I want to see Crump and RJ on the stand.
Wow!
MOM says defense will probably “be done” tomorrow.
Yeah, that’s pretty amazing to me.
And he mentioned a proffer of two experts. Wonder who they are?
One of them is still the video expert guy, I think. No idea on the other one.
Eloise Dillaguard? Black lady testifying from home coz she’s sick?
This looks interesting.
She didn’t know street name either.
Is the real point of this witness to show that George Zimmerman was viewed as a friendly neighbor by a Afro-American neighbor?
Or to give BDLR another chance to make himself look like an ass on cross
BdlR is gonna have to play his ‘Uncle Tom’ card!
The jury has to notice the kindness of this witness, her sincerity, as well as the warm-hearted glow that GZ has while listening to her testimony.
If there were any forks at all left, they need to be stuck into the sham-prosecution case right now – this Crump-roast is done!
She’s testifying from home because she’s “sick” but she hasn’t thrown up once, not even a little gagging. This, I think, invalidates her testimony, and the defense’s apparent inability to call credible witnesses wipes out all it’s previous witness, leaving me to conclude that Zimmerman is, like, totally guilty and stuff.*
(*I’m making an audition tape for my application as a MSNBC expert commenter).
You need to say TM was black and GZ is a white hispanic and I think you got the gig.
You forgot to mention that president Obama has been brilliant; a lightbringer to this trial and a blessing to the nation.
I know that is their boilerplate for all news reports.
That certainly doesn’t hurt GZ’s case, does it?
Speaking objections are reserved for the prosecution! Doesn’t O’Mara know that!!
Oh, now PMSNBC is saying the current witness is only there because she’s blaaaaaaaaack! This case is not about race, didn’t they hear they civil rights attorney say that?!?!
I would not blame this lady if she was afraid to come into court in person
She’s testifying from a hidden undisclosed location.
Is it just my imagination, or does Judge Nelson seem to have settled into her judicial role and is now ruling more evenhandedly?
It seemed that way about a half day before the state rested, I think.
I suspect Judge Nelson has some concerns about what was in the Crump deposition. It’s possible his testimony is the key to blowing the entire prosecution up in Angela Corey’s face. The judge doesn’t want it look like she was involved in the scheme.
I would think that the Judge may well understand what’s at stake now. i am not speaking of this case only; she knows that at this point, even if convicted, GZ would appeal – and win – and judicial activism will not do well in that regard.
also, to be fair, her rulings have not been totally railroading GZ anyhow. looking at the big picture, you might see the pattern that nothing was allowed in, and here I emphasize this, before being let in by admission of evidence. for instance, the toxicology. it was out beforehand, and in a way, that’s good. it prevented a lot of premature sniping by either side. but with the introduction of the witnesses and the autopsy report, the door is opened at the proper time.
understand that I am not agreeing with all of her rulings, but after all, the state has to prove its case beyond a shadow of a doubt using all legal means necessary. this is a court of law – court of public opinion does nothing to reflect the case properly. GZ is entitled to a competent defense – which he clearly has – and forbidding showboating by the defense prevents a rehash of the casey Anthony debacle. MOM also gets to basically use prior rulings as a basis for awesome motions, which he has also done….BRILLIANTLY. i’m not her strongest advocate though, that needs to be clear.
corey, however, is another story. all of her thugs too. oops, I mean her hired goons. oops, I meant the persecu—dammit, prosecution attorneys. sorry for the Freudian slips there, folks.
It seems GZ is a well liked individual by people who know him. It also seems he doesn’t have much street smarts or is much of a fighter. When TM circled his truck alarm bells should have gone off in his head and to proceed with caution but he just walked into an ambush by TM.
Why would the FBI be involved?
Are you serious? You don’t know about that?
The FBI came in to investigate to make sure the shooting was not a racist hate crime. They didn’t find any evidence of racism.
Oh everyone had a little piece of this whole thing once the mad people from Out of State showed up in Central Fl…………who was not involved. They investigated the racial aspect of it….found nothing IIRC.
The FBI was asked by the politicians to check into it and see if any civil rights statutes were broken. Specifically they were asked to determine if a there was racial motive behind the shooting. The FBI concluded there was not a racial motive on Zimmerman’s part and that no federal laws were broken.
The FBI got invovled to prove that AAs have special rights not afforded to the rest of America, based solely on the color of their skin and not the content of their character.
MLK must be spinning at 33-1/3rpm.
Have you seen the photoshop that the TM’s are tweeting around? It’s the hoodie selfie that TM did, with MLK’s face photoshopped into it. That is defaming MLK. MLK would be the first one to stand in judgment of the content of TM’s character. MLK would have whooped that boy’s butt years ago, at the first sign of troublemaking.
I hope Obama has a place for Nifong-Corey in his administration. If were a Floridian, I’d make sure she was run out of the state on a rail. If she had presented this (lack of) evidence to a grand jury, we wouldn’t have to be subjected to this travesty.
Only around 6% of Floridians actually get a say in the matter. She’s only the State Attorney for District 4, not the whole state. And the biggest city in the biggest county in her electorate is Jacksonville. I don’t know that a lot of people up there will actually have any issues with how she’s conducted this case, unfortunately.
Eloise says voice on tape was GZ. She’s clearly racist.
Ouch! That one hurts!
Shouldn’t the jury be asking themselves ‘FBI?! FBI?! WTF does the FBI have to do with this?!’
The FBI is involved in all mundane local murder cases, huh?
George has people getting off their death bed to testify for him… OK, just a little exaggeration there from me…
I do bet she didn’t want to be assaulted for her testimony though.
I like this lady.
Everyone has bugged out of this place. I wonder if thats b/c after Crump got involved the New Black Panthers were hanging out at the main entrance hassling residents.
I would bet that is exactly one of the reasons
Well those Wanted Dead or Alive posters with a residents face on them will do it every time. Feel sorry for the people who had their address tweeted by Spike Lee and others..it was retweeted the other day and now that home has a 24 hr police guard there since there was a pizza delivered there for GZ..he never lived there I might add.
Defense attorney nightmare: Near the very end of this lady’s very helpful testimony, she leans back and takes a long swig of Jack Daniels right from the bottle.
Did she really? I wasn’t watching. But at least she drank hers after testifying instead of before like Rachel.
Maybe they should put a wet bar on the bench.
Twin Trees Lane. That’s where the tree was that GZ smashed himself in the head with.
As opposed to the Twin Peaks logic of case
Well, that testimony about where the truck was parked certainly fell apart.
They really needed to have her in court with a map.
Or at least couldn’t they have given her a map and asked her to put an X where the truck was parked?
Not trying to be too critical, as obviously the defense has a lot of things going on, but still, this just seems like something that would have been so easy to take care of.
Anyone think that MOM did not get to ask the main question he wanted to ask? I don’t think we needed another voice witness. That makes me think she was going to testify to something someone said and was not able to do so.
I agree. I don’t really see the point of her testimony. Must have been something they side-barred about.
Also probably needed evidentiary support for the placement of Zimmerman’s car in the animation. Don’t think that was a fact in evidence until this point.
Wouldn’t the video re-enactment by Sanford PD allow them to very accurately place the car? The video is in evidence.
I think the animation will be based on statements other than Zimmerman’s.
Wouldn’t the responding officers that night know where GZ’s SUV was parked? I wonder why people are calling it a truck. Trying to make GZ look like a huntin’ redneck? He’s a suburban dad with a SUV.
Drudge says a “tropical storm” … named Chantral (?) is about to slam into the east coast? In figuring out the “timeline” left for this case, is it possible we will have “Stormy Weather?”
Was Zimmerman’s pistol ever under threat of being stolen?
How was the crime scene protected after the police arrived?
And, is this complex of condos under threat should the verdict come in, in favor of Zimmerman, not create great headaches for “Boneparte?” Who is the City Manager?
All this “race baitng” coming from City elders, themselves, with possible witnesses be the police who got fired, or demoted? No lawsuits, ahead?
Maybe it’ll get her in time for the NAACP convention.
It’s really hard to carry a flat screen TV in hurricane force winds.
Looks like this testimony was taken out of order because of scheduling. Might be useful in closing because she went to
check on GZ’s wife ASAP.
Looking at the silent sidebar anyone else think the TM team looks like Moe, Curly and Larry?
And why do all prosecution attorneys go to the judge’s bench when defense has only MOM?
Because he’s much smarter than they are.
And he still has them not only outnumbered but out IQed! LOL
How brilliant was it to have the last defense witness to identify George’s voice, to be an African American woman?
Defense closes with two excellent witnesses. I suspect it was not lost on the jury that It would have been easy for the last witness to just beg off and tell the defense she was too ill to testify. Whatever pressure was applied to her from the pro-Trayvon contingent was not successful. She is, IMO, a brave woman.
Honest and upright black people really do outnumber the street thugs. It is just that the street thugs are more visible and vocal. It is no different than any other race or, for example, the police where the bad apples stand out and give the rest a bad name.
Agreed, this really isn’t a race problem even though that’s the way the media is playing it. This is an inner city culture issue where folks subscribing to that view point figure that GZ needed to take his beating for the way that he eye balled TM.
There are plenty of Whites and Hispanics that also follow that culture.
I don’t know. Have you ever seen a black “talking head” or “analyst” on any of the news networks who thinks GZ should go free? I haven’t. Although that might be just a sign of the networks’ prejudice; but you’d think at least Fox would find someone.
I don’t have a TV, so I wouldn’t know about that, but I do know that writing-wise, Thomas Sowell has been quite good on the issue.
This was one of his first articles on the case in early 2012, before anything much was known, and he warned even then:
And on racism more generally, I like the first line of his most recent one: “I am so old that I can remember when most of the people promoting race hate were white.”
I don’t know whether he’s ever on TV these days though. I mostly see him via ancient youtube videos of him with William F. Buckley Jr. Good stuff.
no kidding! There is a strong “snitches get stitches” mentality among the urban population in Chicago. Sadly, out here testimony like that would likely result in getting shot. A brave woman indeed. That also speaks to the character of GZ that someone would be willing to stick their own neck out for him.
But there’s also a respect for the older, educated, most likely church-going segment of the black population. The no-nonsense get-on-with-your-life kind and yes, there are millions of them.
Ever hear of the strong black woman? Miss Eloise typifies that. Women like her strike fear into the hearts of punks and thugs. In some ways they’re off-limits.
Ladies and Gentleman? I thought they’re all female.
Alternates are there, too.
I thought they were all women didn’t realize there were 2 men with alternates.
Judge just said Mr. Connor (or Conner), so who is he? Is he going to be a witness?
He’s a computer/phone forensics expert. 7th paragraph. http://www.talkleft.com/story/2013/7/8/21041/53747/crimenews/Zimmerman-Trial-Toxicology-Report-Is-Admissible
styro1,
Thanks. I hope that the judge allows his testimony.
Still to come:
– phone expert
– toxicology expert
– animated re-enactment?
could an attorney explain how the rest of the trial process will go once the defense rests?
more specifically can the defense still try and go after RJ and TM for impeachment by dragging Crump in at some point down the road or do they have to do it before they rest now?
I missed all the story on Crump, so I must have been working. What’s the story on him, please? Did he mess with the tapes or what?
The recording of Crump’s phone interview of Dee Dee was only about 16 minutes but ABC recorded it too and their’s was about 35 minutes long. In Crump’s recording there were a lot of starts and stops.
I get the impression that he may have suborned (is that the right word?) perjury from the witnesses.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/131132686/mark-o-mara-motion-for-reconsideration
^^^^ all kinds of fun reading in there about Mr Crump
He, Parks, and Natalie Jackson are class A bigots. I should add mendacious liars and manipulators.
THIS is what I was referring to above….AWESOME piece of work.
I loved this part:
“Mr. Crump should not be able to hide behind his own technical incompetence to suggest that he cannot be deposed on these very relevant issues…“
Who’s the cracker behind the brothers?
I saw a blurb on CNN that the defense decided not to admit TM’s toxicology report. I can’t find anything to support that on the web. Did anyone else catch that? Sorry if it’s already been answered.
I already concluded BDLR was a douchebag. Mantei has shown today he is also very capable of douchebaggery.
Have you noticed how all the prosecutors have such snotty attitudes. They really need to be ground and pound.
Agree. Just like the POS administration, agencies and spokespeople.
Psaki and Cutter come to mind. Also Lerner, Val-jar, Carney, the alphabet agencies.
Taking their cue from the boss.
I was watching one of the persecutors yesterday, Mantai I think?, and the whole time MOM was talking, he had this weird little smirk going on. I had to think if the jury was present that they had to see that. Wouldn’t go over well with me–unprofessional and immature. Poker faces everyone…poker faces!
Will we be able to see this video or just the people in court?
It sounds like it would be interesting to see.
Mantei is being condescending and cynical…almost contemptuous.
I think he knows they have lost. I get the feeling this is personal. I think he’s frustrated the trial has not shown him to be the big-shot winner he wanted to be seen as. He really just looks like a jerk now.
Manthei’s taking out his frustration with the way the case is going for the P on this poor guy. I hope judge allows the animation to come in. He’s being too aggressive.
I have believed that putting crump on the stand, barring anything earthshaking, would be a mistake. The race-baiter has spent a lifetime honing his sound bite and one line zinger skills. Although I find ppl like him utterly repulsive, he is after all no different than hate mongering skinheads, he would be prove to be quite a formidable adversary on the stand. He is no Diamond Dee-Dee
I disagree…I think he’s a mental midget who has learned to make a good living throwing emotional molotov cocktails. He’s great behind the scenes but I get the impression that if he’s put on the hotseat, he won’t be so brilliant. I kinda doubt MOM is going to put him up because he’s a fellow lawyer in this area and probably something about professional courtesy. I still have a newspaper article from last year where they were at some event and it was yuks all around. Too chummy looking for adversaries.
but he will have to say TM and RJ lied in their testimony or he is lying now……..that is what I want to see