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Still Perry-curious

Still Perry-curious

Sure, let’s start the speculation about 2016.  It helps take our minds off of Tuesday.

And we need to plan ahead for the race against Hillary.  (It will be Hillary, don’t you know.  Bill didn’t do all that for Obama.)

As longtime readers know, we were Perry-curious in the summer of 2011.  We waited for the Rick Perry of lore to show up in the campaign.

But his roll-out was disastrous, to put it mildly.  He was targeted by smears at The Washington Post over a rock at a family hunting ground, a reflection of how much the liberal media feared his candidacy.

Perry survived the WaPo smear, but his initial debate performances killed his campaign, although he did get much better interacting with the press as time went on.  By the end of the process, I lamented what might have been.

Via Instapundit, Perry is leaving the door open:

A couple of days after his onetime rival lost his bid for the White House, Gov. Rick Perry said he is keeping his options open for 2016.

Perry said Thursday it was still too early to make any decisions, noting that he had a busy legislative session looming in January. But, just like the day he dropped out of the 2012 race, the brash-talking Texas governor is keeping a toe in the presidential waters.

“I think we said the door was going to be left open, but there is a lot of work that has to be done,” Perry said. “2016 is multiple lifetimes away.”

At the end of his campaign, when reality forced him to withdraw after South Carolina, I came to appreciate what people saw in Perry. But it was too late.

My sense is that if there was a year for Perry it was 2012. By 2016 there will be a new generation of Republicans running, a younger generation which was just shy of the experience needed for 2012.

But I’m still Perry-curious.


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“Still Perry-curious.”

Don’t give Sarah Silverman any ideas.


I said yesterday that Dennis Miller and Greg Gutfeld and the like are crucial with the young vote. Republicans gaining a foothold in the pop culture to mercilessly mock liberalism is key with the hip-worshipping young. Last night on Red Eye Jedediah Bila made the same point, telling Greg Gutfeld that he should be speaking on college campuses. Greg responded in Greg fashion, “But I’m banned from college campuses!”

Perry still has work to do in Texas. We. Will. See…

TrooperJohnSmith | November 9, 2012 at 11:23 am

Two words: Marco. Rubio.

Young, charismatic, smart, articulate, self-made, from humble roots and from Flawwwwwwrida. Oh, did I mention that he’s also Hispanic.

    Rubio seems to be wrong-headed on immigration. Or headed wrong. Take your pick.

    A lot of the GOP seems to be panicked over Hispanicos, and are in full “headless chicken mode”.

      How is he wrong on immigration?

        Well, to begin…

        Do we really need MORE legal job-seekers in the US now…or in the next decade? (Not including high-tech types.)

        Do we really need more Deemocrat voters (and I DO know that a lot of Hispanicos are fine conservatives, that is not the trend).

        According to what I just read, Obama got 48% among Cuban-Americans…highest ever. This suggests that younger CAs have lost touch with their parents’ hatred of Collectivism.

      jacksonjay in reply to Ragspierre. | November 9, 2012 at 12:20 pm

      I misread your post to say “headless chicken mole” ! I was like, I can go for some of dat!

      Ricky seems to have the same view on immigration here in Texas! Open the door and look the other way! He crows alot about security! But, other than that he doesn’t say much! We are paying for in-state tuition for illegals! As much as I despise Okies (unlike Liz, my wife does have some of dat Cherokee blood) it does seem wrong to me that if an Okie wants a real education they have to pay out-of-state, but an illegal from Coahuila or Chihuahua pays in-state!

        Aarradin in reply to jacksonjay. | November 9, 2012 at 1:52 pm

        I agree that both Rubio and Perry are on the wrong side of the immigration issue. A clear majority of Americans, and an overwhelming majority of Republicans, are for enforcement, not amnesty.

        btw, a period looks like this: “.”

Hillary Clinton will not be the 2016 nominee. In fact I will be very, very surprised if she even declares herself to be a candidate.

I know, I know, there’s the whole “draft Hillary” movement. That’s not what I’m getting at.

The Secretary of State job is not being kind to her body. I’ve said this a couple of times previously, but every time I see her making some sort of statement or in video footage, I see the wear and tear. From her posture and movement, she’s starting to suffer from Osteoarthritis. From the few glimpses I have seen of her from the side, I would suggest that she’s got the beginnings of Scoliosis of the upper spine/neck area (common for a woman of her age who does a lot of desk work).

Even if Bill wants Hillary to run, she simply won’t be physically up to the task of a brutally demanding campaign by that point.

    I agree. She’s looking old and frail now.

    Plus, we’re clearly capable of electing a black man president, but I don’t think we’re anywhere close to electing a woman. Just look how the liberal press treats female politicians.

      Jack The Ripper in reply to Aarradin. | November 9, 2012 at 11:51 am

      I don’t think that Hillary wants it anymore, as difficult as that is to believe about Bill or Hill.

      Their daughter is grown. They have more money than they ever dreamt they would have. I just don’t think they are eager to get into the fray of electoral politics anymore.

      Would not be surprised if one or the other of them aspired to be U.N. Ambassador, or head the IMF or World Bank.

    elliesmom in reply to Chuck Skinner. | November 9, 2012 at 12:35 pm

    If the Democrats have a woman on the ticket in 2016, it’s going to be Elizabeth Warren. She’s already showing up with Hillary Clinton and Biden in the polls. The kingmakers have spoken.

Skeptical. Hard to recover from a national debut that bad.

Liked some of his positions, but plays to some stereotypes that I think it will be difficult to overcome. I think 2016 is past his sell-by date, unfortunately.

Much, much more excited about Jindal, Rubio and others. Would be very disappointed not to see one of them.

Tennessee just elected a Republican super-majority in the State Senate and House. If every last Democrat senator or representative walked out, the Republican super-majority would still have a quorum to act on proposed legislation.

Yet, what is the Tennessee Republican governor doing? This:

Governor Perry was one of six Governors to refused to create Obamacare exchanges. I say Rick Perry has what it takes!!!!

³“Texas has thus become the sixth state — after Florida, South Carolina, Wisconsin, Mississippi, and Louisiana — to opt out of these two provisions of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (PPACA). All of these states are headed by Republican Governors.”² (as of July 11, 2012)

⁴“I stand proudly with the growing chorus of governors who reject the PPACA power grab. Thank God and our nation’s founders that we have the right to do so.”

Neither a”state” exchange nor the expansion of Medicaid under the Orwellian-named PPACA would result in better “patient protection” or in more “affordable çare.”

Yeah, I don’t see it.

Remember, the press smears all R’s as either Stupid, Evil or Old. Easy disqualifications without ever even acknowledging their position on any issue.

He couldn’t discuss any issue coherently. Add in the TX drawl, and he appears pretty dim.

Perry’s performance was abysmal. He had me for a moment when he was talking about how he would ‘make the federal government as inconsequential’ in our lives as possible. But then he completely collapsed.

On the D side, 3 years from now it’ll be Cuomo and Tim Kaine and a few others we’re not even considering yet. Oh yeah, and Biden. Biden says he wants to run. LOL. I’d bet Fauxcahontas Warren throws her feather in the ring too.

My impulsive preference is Susana Martinez, but first I want to see her get decisively reelected governor.

Rubio lost a lot of stock with me with his proposed tax break for Olympic medal winners. Also, I need reassurance that he is not recklessly militaristic.

Jack The Ripper | November 9, 2012 at 11:47 am

I do not wish to be a downer this morning and I think all of you know by now that that I am a pro-business, national defense, American Exceptionism conservative.

Neal Boortz just mentioned something on his radio program that caught my ear, big time, and so I researched it:

Last month, Jeb Bush told Joe Hagan of New York magazine: “It’s a math question. Four years from now, Texas is going to be a so-called blue state. Imagine Texas as a blue state, how hard it would be to carry the presidency or gain control of the Senate.”

Jeb wrote a reply to New York Magazine correcting some impressions in the article, but wrote nothing about the quote above.

That would leave only Florida as a top five electoral vote state that would be open to contest, at least after, say, the 2030 census. [Texas would probably still be halfway in play after the 2020 census]. Of course, Senate elections do not wait for the post-census redistricting.

    Ragspierre in reply to Jack The Ripper. | November 9, 2012 at 12:07 pm

    Look at the results in Texas, and you’ll see how full of spit Jeb is.

      I had gone to do that: 57 to 41. Returning, I see you beat me to the comment.

      What I’ve seen of Ted Cruz is very impressive and I ain’t easily impressed, but 2016 could be too early for him. Nevertheless:

      When assessing a successful minority American, unfortunately I have come to recalibrate for affirmative action. You can get Ivy League sheepskins via affirmative action. You can make partner via affirmative action. However, affirmative action won’t get you put in charge of a major law firm’s SCOTUS practice—at a young age. He was the underdog against Dewhurst, and won. He is formidably equipped to deal with media ambush questions.

      To repeat, Cruz is a very impressive guy. It’s too early to say more than that.

        jacksonjay in reply to gs. | November 9, 2012 at 12:37 pm

        Cruz was born in Canada! He is very impressive and beloved in Texas!

          His mother was American at the time.

          jacksonjay in reply to jacksonjay. | November 9, 2012 at 1:14 pm

          Absolutely, just like Ann Dunham! That did not stop the crazies on our side from their distractions! The NYT tried to make John McCain’s Panama Canal zone birth an issue! I’m just sayin, if Jon Stewart is still around in 10 years, this will be a source of ridicule! Of course, what else is new?

So much new talent in the party, but will the old guard get behind it? More likely scenario if status quo persists: Jeb Bush running against Cory Booker. And even then, half the party will be vociferously anti-Jeb and a quarter of it will vote for a third-party candidate so as not to taint their ideological purity.

Not that I blame the GOP or Mitt for the 2012 loss. To me, it’s a matter of the tipping point in our society having been reached. There are more parasites than productive citizens, and of course they turned out to vote for their panderer. The country will have to be in much worse shape for the leeches to think beyond their personal gimmes–we will have to run out of entitlement money, which will take a few more years.

So how do we get some sense into the heads of the old guard? How do we groom talent for 2016? Will it even matter, given the irrational and egocentric way people vote?

Perhaps our first goal should be to go after the media: hold it accountable, refute its lies, expose its coverups. We will also have to be sure the Administration’s waste and dereliction of duty are exposed.

Sorry if I veered off-topic, but I think we need to fix the process before we sacrifice any more candidates and fortunes to it.

TrooperJohnSmith | November 9, 2012 at 11:51 am

Perry is a Texas and southern politician. Unfortunately, his accent, personality, appearance and delivery style do more to reinforce the ignorant stereotypes held by those intellectual and political geniuses that inhabit the blue coasts of America.

Sad to say, but Governor Oops is also a crony capitalist! His Emerging Technology Fund (you didn’t know he had an Emerging Technolgy Fund?)just experienced another bankruptcy! Yeah sounds kinda like Solyndra, you know donors and cronies and the like!
Shortly after Oops dropped out of the primaries last fall, Obama had higher approvals in Texas than Ricky! Don’t get me wrong, I voted for him three times, I’m just sayin don’t get your hopes up!

Jack The Ripper | November 9, 2012 at 12:10 pm

It has been known for years that Democrats cannot win nationally and in many Senate and House seats without a huge precentage of the black vote.

It has also been known for years that Hispanics are going to be the big prize. If the Democrats get an electoral lock on the Hispance vote, then game over. Ditto if Republicans lock up the Hispanic vote.

Romney would have been a great president. He failed to articulate a vision, define himself, and define the Democrats. Reasonable strategy in a year when it seemed unlikely Obama would fetch the same turnout and voter disatisfaction was so high.

Republicans won a majority of married, white women and white women over 30. They would have lost almost all black women. Still, abortion is not a winning issue for Republicans, nationally. One, its not going anywhere. Even if Roe v. Wade were flat out overturned, most states (almost all, actually, according to Michael Barone) would pretty much be pro-choice/pro-abortion. Akin and Mourdoch, however, did us a huge disfavor.

Krauthammer thinks the grand compromise will be strict border enforcement in exchange for a pathway to legal residency and citizenship. We are not going to deport people by the tens of thousands, let alone the tens of millions. Also, the business community would not stand for it and we need the tax revenue that is currently under the table.

Besides, I strongly believe that given America’s demographics, peak spending years being the age of 48, baby boomers retiring at a rate of 10,000 per day, the dependency ratio and entitlements being out of whack and getting worse (which requires WORKERS), private pensions needing to be topped off, public pensions in crisis, this whole decade is going to be a “slow walk” no matter who got elected. This sluggish economic climate will greatly slow illegal immigration.

Sorry to be so glum, but . . . .

If – as has been rumored – Perry’s performance was affected by pain-killing drugs (back problems), then he has a chance in 2016. That’s 1)if his health improves, and 2) if he’s candid about it, making rotten debate performance a non-issue.

I just don’t get why people are so orgasmic over rubio.
is the hispanic effect that much of an aphrodisiac?
I’d rather see west. I don’t agree with all his votes but at least I respect him. I don’t respect rubio.
I don’t respect any dream act proponent or anyone that slammed backman for raising the clinton/huma security questions.
and with how I feel about the populace now I don’t care what anyone else thinks of him.

Subotai Bahadur | November 9, 2012 at 12:46 pm

I suspect that it is horribly premature to be thinking about electoral politics at this point. Many things are in play since Obama’s victory. The fiscal cliff is here. Companies are starting mass layoffs in response to Obamacare, and there no longer is any means at all to slow or stop its implementation; with all the taxes, regulations, and State impositions attached. Boehner opened the “dialog” by saying that he was open to “new revenues” and that he was willing to go along with a “comprehensive solution” [read absolute amnesty and open borders] to the immigration policy. The electoral map, the economic map, and literally the political mechanisms involved may be very different. Especially after 4 more years of rule by regulation and Executive Orders.

Subotai Bahadur

Perhaps Karl Rove will retire from politics someday.

Hindsight reveals that McCain did Palin no favors, Presidencywise, by putting her on the national stage before she was ready: before she got there on her own steam, the hard way, the right way.

I wonder if the same holds for Romney and Ryan.

Interesting that Ryan has not been mentioned so far.

    You mean the way not-ready-for-prime-time Obama didn’t get elected because he didn’t come up the hard way, the right way?

    The Liberal Media owns this country thus makes and breaks candidates more often than not.

    Reagan was Liberal Media proof. Sarah Palin was not Liberal Media Proof, as good as she is.

    Sarah’s misfortune was running against a liberal black man with no past to defend in a post-Bush election.

    Kerry & Gore were too heavy a load for even the Liberal Media to carry in 2000 and 2004 thus Bush won the way Obama won in 2012… by default.

    Jack The Ripper in reply to gs. | November 9, 2012 at 2:04 pm

    McCain and the leadership of the party were concerned that a white male/white male ticket would be immediately and permanently perceived by swing voters as a redux of Bush/Cheney in the wake of the 2006 off-year election.

    Condoleeza Rice was not interested and I forget the deal with Colin Powell (prior to him endorsing Obama in 2008).

    Rubio and Cruz and Ryan and Cantor were too young.

    Sarah Palin was believed by McCain and the Republican leaderhsip as a way of broadening the base while assuring swing voters that McCain would not be a rubber stamp continuation of Bush/Cheney.

    It also sent an implied message that “McCain’s not so old, see, a fairly athletic and attractive younger woman is on his arm,” politically speaking.

    Obviously, it did not work. I like Sarah Palin and I think she has gotten rotten treatment in the press. I cannot stand to look at Tina Fey (and fuck the Mark Twain awards – I don’t think he would approve).

    Sarah Palin was not destined to ever make a stronger run for the White House than did, say, Pat Schroeder or Michelle Bachmann. That’s not a knock on any of them, but to grab the nomination, well, Hillary could not do it. I told my family members three years ago that Palin would not run in 2012 and that she is being coy about stating whether she will run or not in order to sell books, have paid and unpaid news appearances and paid speeches. She was smart. She has a family to provide for and 2008-2012 was going to be her time to cash in.

    I do not believe that Ryan will be affected the way Palin was, simply because they are not the same type of politician. He has considerably more gravitas.

If you think that Christie or Romney were of RINO status, think Perry as a Super RINO. Besides that he’s not that smart or articulate.

Perry’s third term as governor will end in 2015 and he needs to quietly go in retirement.

Perhaps the best testimony to this was the election of Tea Party supported Ted Cruz as the new US senator who will replace the complacent Kay Bailey Hutchinson in direct opposition of the Perry mini-machine…

JackRussellTerrierist | November 9, 2012 at 5:48 pm

The GOP leadership needs to be taken out and horsewhipped before anyone gets hot and bothered about a candidate. They are pretty close to being as much of an obstacle as the slimestream media is.

I’m still GOP curious. I’m wondering if there’s someone in the GOP who could win the White House.

2nd Ammendment Mother | November 11, 2012 at 10:38 am

One thing Perry had on his agenda that was should have become the Republican calling card for the election was Perry’s statement regarding making Washington as inconsequential in the average citizens life as possible.