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Elizabeth Warren held asbestos workers hostage to inter-corporate fight

Elizabeth Warren held asbestos workers hostage to inter-corporate fight

In representing Travelers, Warren should have known the asbestos workers might never get paid

At the first debate between Scott Brown and Elizabeth Warren, Brown raised the issue of Warren’s Supreme Court legal representation of Travelers Indemnity Co. and related companies in asbestos litigation, for which Warren was paid $212,000.

Brown made the point that while Warren was paid a small fortune, the workers ended up getting very little after Travelers was able to avoid paying the settlement it had promised.

The issue played into Brown’s campaign theme that Warren was “not who she says she is” and fed upon issues related to Warren’s false claim to be Native American for employment purposes.

Since then the Warren campaign and sympathetic media have moved aggressively to portray Warren’s role as working to protect asbestos workers’ settlements.  That the workers later were deprived of the settlement was portrayed as something unforeseeable, a “twist” with which Warren had no involvement.

I have spent considerable time digging through case files and briefing as to Warren’s representation of Travelers, and how it came to pass that Travelers ended up not having to pay the workers.  What emerges is a story very much at odds with the positive narrative presented by the Warren campaign and the media.

I detail the story below, but here is the bottom line:

Warren played a role at a critical time in what ended up as one of the great coups in legal history, the enforcement of settlement agreements by which Travelers promised a massive settlement fund for asbestos victims, but which Travelers didn’t actually have to pay because a precondition to payment had not been met.

The precondition was that other insurers give up their claims against Travelers, without receiving any payment from Travelers.  If the other insurers were not bound by the settlement, then Travelers did not have to pay the asbestos victims.

Thus, the asbestos victim fund was held hostage to whether Travelers could strip other insurers of their claims.  By the time the case reached the Supreme Court the possibility, if not probabilty, that Travelers would not succeed in this inter-corporate fight — and that it would not have to pay the asbestos victims — was well known.

Warren was not working to help asbestos victims, except ancillary to Travelers fight against other insurers.  Travelers ended up losing the fight with other insurers, which gave Travelers a contractual right not to make payment.

This outcome, even if unintended, was foreseeable at the time of Warren’s legal representation of Travelers.  Warren got paid, Travelers got to keep its settlement money, and the asbestos workers were left out in the cold.

1. Background – The Johns-Manville Bankruptcy

The Supreme Court case on which Warren worked was titled Travelers v. Bailey, reached the Supreme Court in 2008, and was argued and decided in 2009.  (Decision here, related documents here.)

To call the litigation history leading up to this point convoluted is an understatement.  The legal and factual issues similarly were complex.  Even among the groups of plaintiffs, there was not always agreement, as there were many classes of plaintiffs.

For example, by the time the case reached the Supreme Court, a group of The Asbestos Personal Injury Plaintiffs took a position against Travelers and Warren.  A group of 10 law professors also opposed Warren’s position on the ground that the process and the payments were unfair to asbestos victims.  So the traditional plaintiff and defendant lines were not clearly drawn.

The litigation arose out of the bankruptcy of Johns-Manville in the 1980s.  The best description of the legal history relevant to Warren’s role was provided by the U.S. District Court in its March 1, 2012, decision that Travelers did not have to pay the settlement.

The short version is that after settling in 1986 with asbestos claimants who had claims against Manville, Travelers began to face suits directly against Travelers based not on Mansville’s conduct, but based on supposed malfeasance by Travelers itself.  These claims arguably were not precluded by the 1986 settlement, although Travelers took the position that the 1986 settlement covered such claims.

Travelers also faced potential claims from other insurance companies who were being sued and who thought Travelers might have to “contribute” to or “indemnify” against settlements or verdicts.

Faced with these mounting actions from asbestos workers and the claims for contribution or indemnification from other insurers, in 2004 Travelers entered into a second set of settlement agreements, which is what was at issue in the Supreme Court in 2009.

As described in the March 1, 2012, decision, the payment obligation was contingent upon a bankruptcy court “Clarifying Order” which protected Travelers, among other things, from claims for contribution or indemnity from other insurance companies (footnotes and citations omitted for ease of reading; emphasis mine):

In 2003 and 2004, Travelers entered into three settlement agreements pursuant to which it agreed to pay $360 million to the Statutory Direct Action Plaintiffs, $70 million to the Common Law Direct Action Plaintiffs, and $15 million to the Hawaii Direct Action Plaintiffs (“the Settlement Agreements”)…. The Settlement Agreements provided that Travelers would make payments into funds designed to pay direct action claimants, who would be required to sign a general release of claims against Travelers to gain access to the appropriate fund….

The Settlement Agreements were each contingent upon the satisfaction of several conditions precedent. The two conditions precedent disputed on this appeal are as follows. First, the Settlement Agreements required entry by the Bankruptcy Court of a Settlement Approval Order and a Clarifying Order “containing prohibitions against Claims at least as broad as those contained in Exhibit A[,]” which Orders were required to “become a Final Order(s).” ….Exhibit A consisted of a proposed order stating, among other provisions, that all claims against Travelers “of any kind or nature whatsoever” “arising from or relating to” Travelers’ handling of asbestos claims, as well as “any claims for contribution or indemnity relating in any way” to the same, “are covered by the Confirmation Order and permanently enjoined as against Travelers, which were released therefrom under the Confirmation Order.”

Here is the relevant language from the 2004 Settlement Agreements (available in Chubb Joint Appendix):

Whether the bankruptcy court had the jurisdiction to issue the Clarifying Order was the issue before the Supreme Court.  Whether the conditions to payment were satisfied was not before the Supreme Court.  It was entirely possible, as ultimately happened, that the Supreme Court could rule that the bankruptcy court had the jurisdiction to uphold the settlement agreements, but that no payment by Travelers would be owed.

2. Prior to the Supreme Court Case, The Precondition to Payment Was In Doubt

By the time the case reached the Supreme Court, Chubb had objected to the settlements on the ground that Chubb was deprived of its legal rights in violation of the due process clause of the 5th Amendment, and was not bound by the settlements.

The Second Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that the bankruptcy court had no jurisdiction to enter the 2004 Clarifying Orders, and therefore the 2004 settlements were ineffective.  The Second Circuit did not reach the issue of whether Chubb’s constitutional rights were violated, because it already had found the settlement agreements unenforceable on jurisdictional grounds.  The Second Circuit declined to decide the issue as to Chubb [517 F.3d 52, fn. 26]:

FN. 26.  Travelers asserts that if any portion of the bankruptcy court’s clarifying order is vacated then all of the relevant settlements will terminate.  We offer no opinion on this matter and leave it to the parties, with the aid of the bankruptcy court, to determine the status of their settlements.

In its opposition to Travelers request that the Supreme Court take the case, Chubb wrote that there was a “catch” to the settlement payment obligation (emphasis mine):

Thus, Travelers was willing to pay the Direct Action claimants and their counsel upwards of half a billion dollars to settle lawsuits that it claimed were already barred by the 1986 Injunctions. But there was a catch. Travelers would pay the money, but only if Travelers could tie the settlement to a mechanism for cutting off any further Direct Action claims against it and any potential indemnity or contribution claims from its insurer co-defendants in the Direct Action Suits. Thus, each of the Direct Action Settlement Agreements was conditioned upon the entry of an order by the Bankruptcy Court “interpret[ing]” and “clarify[ing]” that the Direct Actions always had been prohibited by the 1986 Injunctions.

The issue of whether the other insurers were bound, and the precondition to payment met, was not before the Supreme Court for decision, 557 U.S. 137, 155, although the Supreme Court took note of Chubb’s position and the possibility that later litigation might undermine the settlement:

Our holding is narrow.  We do not resolve whether a bankruptcy court, in 1986 or today, could properly enjoin claims against nondebtor insurers that are not derivative of the debtor’s wrongdoing…. Nor do we decide whether any particular respondent is bound by the 1986 Orders.  We have assumed that respondents are bound, but the Court of Appeals did not consider this question…. On remand, the Court of Appeals can take up this objection and any others that respondents have preserved.

After the Supreme Court decision, the case went back to the Second Circuit which then ruled in favor of Chubb, 600 F.3d 135, 137 (2d Cir 2010)[sorry, no online link available](emphasis mine):

The matter is before us on remand from the Supreme Court of the United States, which determined that the bankruptcy court’s 1986 orders in Manville’s Chapter 11 proceedings-“whether or not proper exercises of bankruptcy court jurisdiction and power”-are not subject to collateral attack by either the parties to the 1986 proceedings or those in privity with them. Travelers Indem. Co. v. Bailey, — U.S. —-, 129 S.Ct. 2195, 2205, 2207, 174 L.Ed.2d 99 (2009). The Court directed us to address the parties’ remaining, properly preserved arguments. See id. at 2207. As the Bailey Court suggested, the primary current contention is the argument of Chubb Indemnity Insurance Company (“Chubb”) that “it was not given constitutionally sufficient notice of the 1986 Orders, so that due process absolves it from following them, whatever their scope.” Id. In our view, Chubb is correct.

The Supreme Court refused to accept an appeal from this decision.

3. Since a Condition to Payment was not met,Travelers did not have to pay

After the Second Circuit decision finding that Chubb was not bound by the settlements, Travelers objected to paying since a precondition to payment was not met.  The Bankruptcy Court ruled against Travelers, but Travelers appealed to the District Court and was successful.

The District Court held in its March 1, 2012, decision that Travelers did not have to pay (citations and footnotes omitted)(emphasis mine):

Because a condition precedent in the settlement agreements was not satisfied, it was error to require Travelers to make the settlement payments…. Moreover, there is nothing unfair about not requiring Travelers to make the payments under the Settlement Agreements if it is not contractually bound to do so. To the extent the Bankruptcy Court invoked “its equitable powers to ensure that substantial justice is achieved” in an effort to ameliorate the effect of the conditions precedent, …  New York law is clear that subjective notions of fairness or equity are not a permissible basis for a court to rewrite a contract or to excuse compliance with conditions precedent…. Because the conditions precedent to payment were not satisfied here, there is no legal basis to require Travelers to perform its obligations under the Settlement Agreements.

Travelers ended up with an enforceable settlement agreement without actually having to pay the settlement.  Travelers did not get what it wanted, and now is open to claims from other insurers, although it’s unclear how much that will be.

Certainly there will be appeals.  But as of now, Travelers does not need to pay the amounts owed under the 2004 settlements, which constituted more thant three-quarters of what was to be the total fund to pay asbestos victims.

4. Warren Exposed Asbestos Workers to the Risk that Travelers Would Not Have To Pay

Warren represented her client, Travelers, in a manner meant to vindicate Travelers’ rights.  To have done anything less would have been a breach of Warren’s duty of loyalty to Travelers.

In the Supreme Court, Warren was not working to protect asbestos workers, but to protect Travelers not only from workers claims but also from contribution claims from other insurers, who would be paid nothing for having been stripped of those contribution rights.  The settlement for asbestos workers was held hostage by Travelers in its corporate battle with other insurers.

The vindication of Travelers rights, however, exposed the asbestos workers to the foreseeable risk that payment would not be made because it was known that Chubb was contesting the settlement on grounds which ultimately were vindicated.  Had Travelers not been successful in the Supreme Court, it would not have the benefit of the settlement agreement protecting it against at least some claims, as it does now.

5. Ten Law Professors Opposed Warren’s Position

While seemingly a huge sum, the settlement was criticized as inadequate and unconstitutional by a group of 10 law professors who filed an Amicus Brief opposite to Warren in the Supreme Court.

The law professors challenged not only the procedures used, which they believed unconstitutionally deprived individual claimants of their right to sue Travelers, but also the adequacy of the settlement amount (at pages 13, 18):

Nor can §1334(b) have been intended to authorize non-debtor releases of independent causes of action on the basis that public good is achieved by confirming a chapter 11 plan providing distributions to thousands of injured persons. Indeed, the recovery by those injured by Manville would be enhanced if the independent claims against Travelers are not extinguished….

In the present case, because Travelers was financially sound, the fund available to satisfy the claimants’ independent causes of action against it was not “limited.” Section 1334(b) should not be construed to confer bankruptcy jurisdiction to extinguish independent claims against a non-debtor which can be satisfied from an unlimited fund.

I highlight the position of these 10 law professors not because they necessarily  were right as to the adequacy of the settlement, but to point out that Warren was not purporting to be looking out for the workers.  That was not her role or legal obligation in the case.

A group representing “future claimants” took no position in the Supreme Court, other than seeking clarity as to various parties’ rights.  As mentioned above, The Asbestos Personal Injury Plaintiffs also took a position against Travelers and Warren.

Warren violated no ethical obligation in seeking to convince the Justices to uphold the validity of an agreement  as to which one of the preconditions for payment to the workers was at best in question and at worst unlikely to be satisfied.

By convincing the Supreme Court to uphold such a settlement agreement as to which the obligation to pay was in question, Warren properly represented her insurance company client.  The asbestos workers, however, paid the price, as the obligation to pay fell apart as part of an inter-corporate battle.

6.  The Fact Checkers Fell Down on the Job

We have seen how Warren represented Travelers as part of a corporate game of chicken in which Travelers sought to hold hostage a large settlement for asbestos workers in order to extinguish claims of Chubb and other insurers without paying those insurers anything.  The result was that asbestos workers lost in a manner that was foreseeable at the time of Warren’s representation of Travelers.

Yet here is how Warren described her efforts for Travelers:

Travelers Indemnity Co. v. Bailey, 557 U.S. 137 (2009). In this case, Elizabeth worked to protect a $500 million settlement for victims of asbestos poisoning that another insurance company sought to invalidate. The Boston Globe has reported that most asbestos victims were on her side during the case, and the Supreme Court ruled in favor of her position.

That description, as we have seen, is not the full story.  Warren was working to protect the settlement, but only because it was in the interests of  her insurance company client.  There was the distinct possibility, if not probability, that the settlement never would be paid because it was preconditioned on stripping other insurance companies of their rights.

Here’s how The Boston Globe fact checked a Brown ad about Travelers case (emphasis mine):

But despite Brown’s contention that Warren fought victims, the Globe reported that the attorneys who were represented most of the victims supported Warren’s efforts to grant Travelers immunity from asbestos-related lawsuits in exchange for the company setting up a $500 million trust, to be divided among current and future claimants.

Travelers won the immunity. But after a series of legal twists, the company avoided paying the $500 million settlement. Warren was no longer involved at that point, but Brown argues she should have foreseen that potential result. Brown’s ad, citing a line from the Globe story, correctly notes: “The case has turned out disastrous for victims.”

This also is not quite accurate.  There may have been “twists,” but they were twists which were known at the time of Warren’s representation, and as to which there were warnings. also dropped the ball, simply quoting plaintiff’s lawyers who clients were part of the settlement as backing Warren:

Bruce Carter, an Ohio attorney whose firm has worked on behalf of over 19,000 claimants in the case, told us Brown has simply mischaracterized Warren’s role. The idea that Warren was working against the interests of the victims, he said, is ”not true.”

“During the period she worked with Travelers, the claimants (the victims) and Travelers were working together to do what was necessary to get these funds approved and established,” Carter said. “We were all working together for the benefit of the victims. We were working together toward a common goal.”

The trust established through a settlement with Travelers avoided further legal wrangling that “could have taken many, many more years, if ever, to succeed,” Carter said. In other words, he said, the trust provided a mechanism for victims to actually get paid.

In an interview with the Globe in May, Warren said, “The issue I was focused on like a laser was the constitutionality of preserving the trust, because the trust is a critical tool for making sure that people who’ve been hurt have a fair shot at compensation. Without it, millions of people who’ve already been injured will get nothing, and millions more in the future will get nothing.”

How close was the relationship between Travelers and victims? Before the Supreme Court, the attorneys representing the victims gave Travelers’ attorneys their time so they could provide a more complete argument in favor of the settlement agreement, Carter said.

“That tells you, we worked together toward a common goal,” Carter said. “We gave them our time to argue to the panel.”

It was only after Warren left the case, he said, that Travelers “tried to back out of the deal and try to get something for nothing.”

Another lawyer representing victims in the case, Edwin L. Wallace with the law firm Thornton & Naumes in Boston, echoed Carter’s assessment.

“She was working for the victims,” Wallace said.

This discussion, again, misses the point.  The critical decision was when the Supreme Court upheld the validity of the settlements while leaving to another court for later consideration whether the condition precedent to payment had been met.  It was clear at the time that there was a substantial risk that the workers never would get paid while Travelers would get its partial immunity from suit, which is exactly what happened.  Additionally, not all plaintiffs were aligned with each other, as they had often competing interests.

The notion that Warren was “working for the victims,” is belied by the facts.

7. Conclusion — Warren Did Her Job For The Insurance Company, and Workers Paid The Price

As I mentioned at the start, the litigation history was fairly convoluted, and the issues at times complex.  But what was not convoluted or complex was Elizabeth Warren’s role in representing Travelers in the Supreme Court.

Warren represented Travelers as a critical juncture in the case, at a time when it was known that if the settlement agreements under which Travelers was to pay hundreds of millions of dollars were upheld, Travelers might never actually have to pay because at least one precondition to payment was in serious doubt.  Travelers, through the settlements, sought to strip other insurance companies of their rights to assert claims against Travelers.  The payment to asbestos workers was held hostage to this inter-corporate battle.

What was foreseeable came to pass.  The Supreme Court, at Warren’s urging, upheld the validity of the settlement agreements, but those settlement agreements did not obligate Travelers to pay.  It was not Warren’s obligation to look out for the workers, and she didn’t.


[Special thanks to Morgen Richmond, who used to blog at Verum Serum, for helping locate certain of the information and documents referred to here and which will be referred to in upcoming posts.]



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Wow – what a cluster f^*#. As could reasonably be expected, the real victims who needed the money were shafted. Lieawatha sleeps soundly, however, those high cheekbones comfortably supported by plush down pillows.

    Rick in reply to walls. | October 21, 2012 at 8:49 pm

    A bit of reality: A lot of asbestos claims were, and are, fraudulent. One of my fond in-court memories is an asbestos plaintiff swearing that he recalled installing asbestos pipe covering with the MetLife label on it.
    Of course, many asbestos claims were valid.
    It is easy to paint either side with too broad a brush.

      two.bit.score in reply to Rick. | October 21, 2012 at 11:24 pm

      Seems, too, that many of the settlement tricks by insurance companies were nothing short of fraudulent. This one being an example.


At once, Elizabeth Warren is the worst possible person in the Commonwealth of Massachusetts to represent their interests in the United States Senate, but she is also the quintessentially perfect Democratic Candidate – a person of no discernible morals or ethics.

My fellow citizens will most certainly get the representation that they deserve regardless of the outcome of this election.

Thank you once again, Professor, for doing the work that our supposed journalists are not interested in doing.

great unknown | October 21, 2012 at 6:53 pm

Great analysis, but too complex for political fodder. It needs to be distilled down to something like, “Warren Lied, Asbestos Workers Cried.”
Or, “Elizabeth Warren, Supported by the Common Man.”

    True. Prof. Make this shorter and more simple. As written, to hard to follow.

      He summed it up at the end as clear as could be:

      Warren represented Travelers as a critical juncture in the case, at a time when it was known that if the settlement agreements under which Travelers was to pay hundreds of millions of dollars were upheld, Travelers might never actually have to pay because at least one precondition to payment was in serious doubt.

      Travelers, through the settlements, sought to strip other insurance companies of their rights to assert claims against Travelers. The payment to asbestos workers was held hostage to this inter-corporate battle.
      What was foreseeable came to pass.

      The Supreme Court, at Warren’s urging, upheld the validity of the settlement agreements, but those settlement agreements did not obligate Travelers to pay. It was not Warren’s obligation to look out for the workers, and she didn’t.

        I think our smarty pants prof can be pithier – or no one will get it.

        How about …(I really do not understand this too well, but here goes)

        Travelers developed a brilliant Supreme Court strategy that meant it could not lose and would never pay workers claims. Indeed, It created an argument by which if The court upheld certain settlement agreements with workers, it would never have to pay those workers. If it rejected the settlements,it did not have to pay either. To sell this artful “screwing” of the claimants to the high court, it turned to Elizabth Warren, and she delivered.

        The Supreme Court, at Warren’s urging, upheld the validity of the settlement agreements, thus letting Travelers off the hook. Warren made no effort to look out for the workers because that was not in her insurance company clients interests.

    brucecarteresq in reply to great unknown. | October 23, 2012 at 3:22 pm

    It is easy to sit on the sidelines and analyze a case in which you have not been involved. Unfortunately the author is missing many pertinent facts. I was asked by to determine whether the statements of Sen. Brown or Warren were true. They tracked me down as did the Boston Globe in May.
    I have been one of the attorneys who began these cases in 2001. I am one of four attorneys in the room negotiating the deal with Travelers in 2004 with the assistance of former Gov. Cuomo. This was 5 years before Warren got involved. I am writing this to provide the actual facts and not to support either candidate. I am in Ohio and had little knowledge or interest in this race until my case was dragged into it.
    First, the settlements do not give Travelers complete immunity. The 2004 clarification order gives Travelers immunity for acts and knowledge relating to Travelers’ relationship with Manville. Travelers can still be sued today.
    Second, the Chubb objection was not foreseeable at the time we negotiated the agreement. When we negotiated this settlement (again 5 years before Warren was involved) neither we nor Travelers contemplated the Chubb objections. At the time (May 24, 2005) when the third settlement was reached, no insurer had objected to the two prior settlements. The two earlier settlements had been given wide notice. It was the third settlement (the “Common Law Settlement”) that Chubb objected to along with some individuals. The individuals who objected have since abandoned their objections. Those objectors are attorneys who either never brought a case against Travelers or who abandoned the few that were brought. None of those attorneys have subsequently brought a case against Travelers, even though the affirmed order allows cases against Travelers to be brought, subject to the Manville conditions.
    Third, the contracts do not contain anything in the conditions precedent clause that envisioned the Chubb objection. The order that was affirmed by the Supreme Court (and three lower courts) has nothing to do with Chubb, having been remanded to the Second Circuit to decide the notice issue as to Chubb. As a fundamental principle of contract law the courts are bound by the four corners of the agreement. To date only one judge, the District Court Judge, has decided to read into the agreement things that simply don’t exist. That order is on appeal to the Second Circuit with the briefing completed.
    Fourth, the Chubb notice issue was something that was not addressed by Judge Lifland in 2004. Had the issue been actually raised in any meaningful way, discovery would have shown that Chubb had sufficient actual knowledge of the 1986 order and did not to object to the 1986 order.
    Finally, Warren came into the case five years after the agreement had been approved by the bankruptcy court, district court and Second Circuit. To say she should have foreseen something that had been negotiated five years before her involvement, that already been affirmed three times in the five years preceding her involvement is false and misleading, demonstrating either a lack of knowledge of all of the pertinent facts or a selective use of facts out of context and temporal occurrence. Again, I don’t care if either Warren or Brown is elected. I have not been contacted by either candidate’s committee. Had I been contacted I would have apprised them of the facts, with briefs, orders and hearing transcripts so that truthful representations about this case could have been made.

      William A. Jacobson in reply to brucecarteresq. | October 23, 2012 at 3:30 pm

      At the time Warren got involved, Chubb’s objection was known and duly noted in the briefs and by the Supreme Court itself. Warren was not protecting asbestos victims, she was protecting Travelers. Travelers was her client, and she owed Travelers a duty of loyalty. Nothing you have said contradicts the scenario I laid out, with links to the record.

“It was not Warren’s obligation to look out for the workers, and she didn’t.”

True. She was paid to do a job, and she did it effectively.

And now she should face the people’s judgment as to how they feel about her work.

quiksilverz24 | October 21, 2012 at 7:04 pm

I knew Fauxohauntus was up to something else when professor said he had work to do today.

Moral of the story: Don’t ever cross the good Professor Jacobson. I just wish he would have had the foresight to start this blog with the midterm elections in 2006.

“This outcome, even if unintended,….” Right. How could this provision have any other intended consequence but getting Travelers out of paying?

Professor, did you write that with a straight face? How generous of you. While I can see their point, as in “Hey, why should we pay when those other guys don’t have to?”, the outcome is injured workers not getting paid at all.

There is a place in Hell for employers who defraud their workers. Elizabeth is a liberal through and through, which means she has no morals, no integrity. As they say, “If she didn’t have double standards she wouldn’t have any standards at all.”

Thanks for your good work. I hope that you can be on Howie Carr or Dan Rea again this week. Or maybe next week just before the debate.

In my view, warren is the biggest fraud to perpetuate herself onto the public this year and perhaps this decade.

She has absolutely nothing to recommend her to her hoped for constituency. Worse, this was intentional on her part.

The people of Massachusetts deserve much better and would do well to retain Scott Brown.

    turfmann in reply to GrumpyOne. | October 21, 2012 at 7:46 pm

    That distinction belongs to one, Barack Hussein Obama and to him alone.

    Elizabeth Warren may be cut from the same Marxist bolt of cloth, but as a fraud she is but a piker compared to Obama.

maybe she was 1/32 traveler too…
this is pretty big IMO, need to get it out there to the average MA voter.
once known she pretended to help victims while at same time playing legal chicanery to prevent payouts and other claims the bleeding hearts may well explode…

OWS called, they want to down tinkle her..

DINORightMarie | October 21, 2012 at 8:39 pm

As she is trying to use this “I am for the little people” defense, this needs to go BIG!

Hope you can do a quick synopsis for those who don’t get/won’t read this detailed report.

Of course, you have laid down the facts, and evidence, for supporting your assertions – as you always do so well!!

If only the Boston Globe and MA media would tell the TRUTH and “out” this fraud!!

    counsel4pay in reply to DINORightMarie. | October 21, 2012 at 8:49 pm

    This is not the kind of thing that makes the 5 O’Clock news. Even in the Blogoverse, it requires more time and effort than most are willing to give. But the Prof has done the best job possible “boiling down” this travesty of justice into a pithy sound-bite: “Warren screws injured absestos workers, and keeps their money”

With a gazillion laws on the books, I wouldn’t think about going into a court without an attorney by my side. Also, an attorney helped me in a personal injury case some years back and even with his 33% cut I was quite pleased with the settlement.

Now… having said that, after wading through the details above re the asbestos settlement, my thoughts turn to Shakespeare’s character, Dick the Butcher.

Another intense piece of legal sleuthing by the Prof. As a former personal injury attorney (hold applause please) his analysis is DEAD ON CORRECT! Generally universal doctrines*, sometimes complex, involving “contribution”, “indemnification”, and the like ARE KEYS TO SETTLEMENT in any group tort, class action, or similar settlement. Insurers REFUSE TO “VOLUNTEER” ANYTHING–to anyone, at any time. We always have to COMPEL THEM TO PAY (although such compulsion CAN be exercised in a settlement situation). THIS WAS A DEAL MADE BY DEVILS FOR THEIR OWN BENEFIT–it was INEVITABLE that the injured victims would get screwed. CLASSIC CONFLICT OF INTEREST BY GREEDY ATTORNEY OVER IMPOVERSHED CLIENT.

Again, Prof does his homework, lays out the facts and law, and draws compelling conclusions.

Choose your conclusion:
a) Warren KNEW she was betraying her clients or
b) Warren failed to represent them according to prevailing standards of practice or


Every state, including the Peoples Republic of Massachusetts, has somewhat comparable rules involving these legal themes.

I know I will catch hell for this, but none of this excellent research will do any good. Warren is running ads with asbestos victim family members saying how wonderful she is, and idiot Brown accuses them of being actors. He looks and sounds like a fool. Also, Warren yard signs vastly outnumber Brown yard signs even in my (conservative for Mass.) neck of the woods. I fear my fellow Massholes will allow Warren to retake the Kennedy seat handily. Most are too worried about heating oil at $4.00/gallon to pay attention to the election.

    NC Mountain Girl in reply to Roz. | October 21, 2012 at 9:16 pm

    Are they that dumb they don’t realize that Obama is the reason they are paying $4/gallon?

      Sadly, yes. I was stunned when I moved here a few years ago for my career. The vast majority are like zombies…”Democrat – Good; Republican- Bad.”

    ReneeA in reply to Roz. | October 21, 2012 at 11:16 pm

    you are being honest. The safegaurds failed, and with intent protected Warren instead. The Democratic Party and sadly the MassBBO, and confusingly even the Plaintiff’s attorneys are covering for Warren. It would be hard for Brown to win re-election no matter what, but everything was stacked against him. I can’t imagine the frustration.

    Good work Prof., I think this infomation will be of importance in the future, just not have an affect on election day.

TrooperJohnSmith | October 21, 2012 at 10:09 pm

Wow…. in most other states this latest revelation, along with the whole fake Cherokee and the other missteps, would absolutely doom a candidate’s chances of winning. But then again, these folks sent Teddy Kennedy to the Senate until he died.

Oh, well… there’s a parallel universe out there where Lizzie Warren is being run out of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts on a rail. And the ghosts of the Adams family are smiling, secure in the knowledge that the Republic is yet secure.

Where the hell is Art Bell when you really, really need to speak with him?

Now, hold on there, Baba Looey!

I’ll throw rocks and sticks and feces at Ms. Warren right along with you, happily and with zeal, but . . .

You need to be careful if you’re going to go out and characterize this case as you have so far. You’re gonna get burned.

Imagine that you buy Allstate insurance to cover your car. You have $100,000 in liability coverage. You have a license, your car is legal, you’re sober, and not a horrid driver.

One day, you miss a curve and hit a school bus. Lots of injured kids.

All of those kids’ parents get lawyers and sue you. Sadly, while you bought $100,000 in coverage, you face at least $500,000 in strong claims.

Allstate tenders its $100,000 to the court right away, knowing the claims are easily going to wipe out your coverage. (They keep paying your defense lawyers, like they promised in their policy, too.)

You have about twelve dollars of your own with which to add to Allstate’s $100,000.

The mass of plaintiffs’ lawyers understand that there’s simply not enough money in your pot to recompense their clients and pay their fees. What to do?

Here’s what they do: they come up with a completely new, completely unsupported legal theory under which Allstate itself is primarily liable, along with you, for the accident, because they enabled you to drive.

Allstate looks at this new lawsuit that all of the plaintiffs have now served on it, and knows two things:

1. This is overreaching crap; and

2. There’s a very heartrending group of injured kids about to be carried into the courtroom – for the obvious sympathy – while all of their lawyers try to convince the judge that, if they can’t make Allstate responsible for the crash, these kids will remain hurt, their families will be destitute, and they’ll all be appearing in all the papers to blame the judge. Who is elected.

OK, now substitute Travelers for Allstate, asbestos claimants for hurt kids, and Johns-Manville (which, by the way, is BK and no longer in existence) for you.

Now you can add your analysis on top of this. But it’s a complex mess.

    you forget the key point.
    years later you run for senate bragging about how you helped all those kids even though the ins company was your client.

      bobby b in reply to dmacleo. | October 22, 2012 at 2:08 pm

      Agree, completely.

      But to talk about the overall case without knowing this foundation leaves you open to minimalization through claims that Warren was “really” helping fight an unjust attempt at trial-lawyer-industry overreaching.

      I’m just saying, don’t step in that trap right over there by that tree.

The brief version of Professor Jacobson’s great legal analysis of a very complicated case that wended its way through the court system for over a decade is this: When a Democratic Senatorial Candidate claims she was “helping” asbestos claimaints get paid, one only need ask her whether her client was the insurance company or the asbestos plaintiffs. Under the ethics rules governing lawyers in every state of the Union (and we know now that Elizabeth Warren was never a member of the MA Bar and doesn’t seem to have been an active member of any other State Bar for years), her duty of representation extended to her client, not to the asbestos plaintiffs suing her client. Period. As with all other matters concerning her integrity and fitness to serve in public office, Warren is lying.

    SGL, If it was a court of law, she could not say she was helping the victims. The client is Travelers, not any of the victims. In fact she would be disciplined to suggest that by the Bar.

    But this is political communication, and well there is no code of ethics when it comes to political statements.

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