Boston Globe columnist claims Elizabeth Warren’s family suffered anti-Indian discrimination
The world officially has gone insane
Just when I thought I had seen it all, I stumbled up this column by James Carroll in The Boston Globe, How family lore shapes character. The article takes the “you are who you think you are” defense of Warren to a whole new level.
It is other-worldy, as if no facts had come out showing that Elizabeth Warren has no Native American ancestry, that her family always identified as white, that prior to age 38 Warren always identified as white, that Warren listed herself as Native American in a law faculty directory used for recruiting which landed her on the list of “Minority Law Teachers,” and so on and so on.
Only someone willfully ignorant or disinterested in facts could make the arguments made by Carroll:
Here is the real significance of Senate candidate Elizabeth Warren’s much-discussed descent from Native Americans. In her case, she had no reason to distrust the facts she had been told, nor is there any evidence that she used them to advance her career. Those who slur Warren’s “character” miss how the trove of family story, myth, and memory shapes a person. What did this lore mean to Elizabeth Warren, and what did she make of the legacy she received?
It gets worse.
Carroll completely invents the claim that Warren’s family suffered discrimination because it was Indian. For God’s sake, Carroll, not even Warren claims that (emphasis mine):
The Cherokee people, in particular, paid the price of the “forced relocation” across thousands of miles, with thousands dead. More than in the rest of America, ghosts of the Indian wars abound in Oklahoma. Warren’s family, tracing itself to those Cherokees, was haunted by them. That the anti-Indian prejudice directed at her parents, like some bloodlines themselves, is impossible to document only underscores its viciousness. Bigotry thrives on innuendo.
For us, the point is that Warren was marked early on by visceral identification with dispossessed victims.
You wonder how it is possible that a women who perpetrated an ethnic fraud for 25 years gets away with it in Massachusetts?
People like James Carroll are the reason.
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Hey, a novelist is to be taken seriously as a journalist? Or is he simply writing opinions that are purely political? What level has the Globe descended to that it couldn’t find someone to write a piece with at least some connection to reality via analysis (of documented history, of facts, of anything not pulled from the ether)? Perhaps the goal was to have Carroll defend Warren’s “I thought it therefore it was…” stand with his an article entirely composed of “I think it therefor it is…” as exhibit #1.
Not merely a novelist, a former Catholic priest. What’s sad is that the sort of thinking highlighted by the professor seems to dominate quite a bit of academia (prep, colleges, grad, seminaries). It’s “impossible to document” the “anti-Indian prejudice directed at her parents”, yet he knows (how?) it is so.
Give the sentence to an under-grad class in logic and they would have a field-day (well, hopefully at most of colleges and universities they would). Do the same at many seminaries around this country and they would be slobbering over themselves, nodding their bobble-heads in agreement.
What’s more tragic for our country is how Carroll’s way of thinking is perpetuated daily though our schools, news, TV and movies, etc.
What else can be said?
“. . gets away with it in Massachusetts?”
See, there’s the problem right there.
Can you say “Mary Jo Kopechne”?
Oooooh. Looks like a touched a nerve for someone.
Maybe a current occupant of MA.
Sorry. However you should know who you live with and MA’s got a reputation (and it isn’t good) from coast to coast.
We know. *sob* We know.
Meanwhile, John Adams is spinning like a lathe.
I suppose that this is a logical extension of the loopiness which prevails in the liberal arts in colleges these days, which is a kind way of saying that it isn’t even remotely logical.
Any relation to Lewis Carroll?
I hope someone sent him the 1904 story that shows Crawford, white, shooting an Indian dead.
At the next debate, I wish Brown would hold up a copy of that 1906 Muskogee Times Democrat story at the next debate, and reads aloud the part where it says her great grandfather is white and shot an Indian.
How can you be surprised that Warren’t family suffered from Indian discrimination?
Heck, if my family was gunning down Indians left and right, I’d expect Indians to be treating me with discrimination too!
Oh…”anti”-Indian discrimination? Never mind.
James Carroll seems to be the east coast’s version of San Francisco’s Bernie Ward’s politics ( prior to his arrest on child porn ).
Found this article on Carroll http://ncronline.org/blogs/distinctly-catholic/james-carrolls-silly-solipsism.
I love one of the comments to the above article which equally fits Carroll’s defense of Ms. Warren …
“Mr. Carroll’s narcissism gives us no respite.”
“That the anti-Indian prejudice directed at her parents, like some bloodlines themselves, is impossible to document only underscores its viciousness.”
Now THAT is a tour d’main in DoubleSpeak.
“Undocumentable” prejudice (i.e., it objectively ain’t there) is particularly vicious…!!!! Why, hell, I can be the victim ANY kind of prejudice on that predicate!!!
“What did this lore mean to Elizabeth Warren, and what did she make of the legacy she received?”
Here we DO have documentation, and the answers it provides are, respectively…
1. not a damn thing until it came time to cash in on the affirmative action train (so, the evidence suggests this was the first time it occurred to her); and,
2. not a damn thing at all, ever, WRT to her NA family members, her tribal identification, or any other damn thing.
Doublespeak is right. But it’s more sinister. Prejudice that is “impossible to document only underscores its viciousness.” That’s the whole “racism” case against the right, against whitey, against any rational discussion of the the race issue. It’s Chris Matthews and MSNBC, it’s Obama in his 2007 race speech, it’s Sharpton, Jackson, and more.
Sounds more like paranoia, as noted even Warren is not making this claim. Only the author.
Yup. Complete, unhinged, left-wing paranoia. This is even more impossible to defend than the Salem with trials’ “spectral evidence!” At least THERE, there was something to see!
Let me get this straight. BECAUSE this alleged discrimination is so very hidden and secret, that makes it all that much WORSE ?
Am I reading that right ? As if this discrimination were well documented, that would mean it wasn’t so bad ?
The stupid is strong with this one.
I sent Carroll an email via his agent:
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Professor Warren is welcome to claim whatever she likes of her heritage, and others are welcome to refute or rebut this as they wish. The truth will out.
What Professor Warren cannot do is use an improper claim of Native American heritage for purposes of gaining employment. Further, the employer cannot allow an improper claim to be used for granting a position.
To wit: Ms. Warren used her claim of Cherokee heritage in obtaining a tenured position at Harvard. Harvard allowed this even though they might (and should) have been a tad skeptical. While in most cases employers allow, and are permitted, considerable flexibility in honoring a self-claim of identity, this is one where a Dean or Provost might have asked, “really? Would you please document this for us so that we don’t get into trouble?”
Harvard, and Ms. Warren, signed paperwork filed with the federal government. They were to use the Fed’s definitions, and not self-identity, as the basis for her background.
That’s how to rebut Mr. Carroll.
I read the first dozen or so comments to his column at the Boston Globe, and nearly all the commenters “get it” and take him to task.
I’d also note his bio says he’s written 6 “non-fiction” books. Lots of people are paying attention not only to Warren’s playing loose with the facts, but also how it is being covered by reporters and opinion shapers.
This opinion column which is reckless with known facts does nothing to burnish his credentials as a writer of non-fiction.
I’m not sure he helped either Warren or his own self interest by writing it.
I think CT scans of the brains of leftists like James Carroll would reveal an M.C. Escheresque world of logic-defying stairways leading to delusional landings.
James, my boy. Go easy on the peyote. Like the blowhards at MSNBC, you’ve become hallucinatory.
Or Hieronymus Bosch.
It was never easy for me. I was born a poor black child.
Professor Jacobsen.To be a member of a protected class under affirmative action, what percentage of minority blood qualifies the person? For example, if Elizabeth Warren is 3% Cherokee, is she entitled to affirmative action privileges. I know the Nazis determined a person to be Jewish if three out of four Grandparents were Jewish, but killings extended to one grand parent. I am unable to find law on this. Can you help me? CL
The Democrats answered that question over 100 years ago: one drop was all it took.
That means the much-loathed (by the Left) George Zimmerman, who has a black grandfather, is much, much more black than Lizzie Warren is Cherokee.
Fu*k it. It’s time to raise the Indian Nations. Start handin’ our whiskey and Winchesters. Paint your faces. We’re leavin’ the rez and headin’ for Boston! 😆
At some point. You just gotta laugh. It buries the frustration, hides the tears and befuddles your enemies.
For this gift to the Warren campaign they ought to call him Christmas Carroll.
By Warren’s own account, some ancestor five generations ago was the receiving end of anti-Indian discrimination and bigotry – but it WAS AT THE HANDS OF WARREN’S OWN FAMILY, i.e, some other family member five or six generations ago who was opposed to the marriage.
What is clear is as follows:
1) Warren NEVER suffered any anti-Indian discrimination, and if she did, it was only because she put her 1/32nd heritage in someone’s face. She looks more Aryan and less Native American than the von Trapp children, just like Julie Andrews.
2) Warren was perpetrating a fraud by listing her self in AALS and other law school materials as a person of color.
3) Harvard and Penn were on board.
4) Assuming that Elizabeth Warren has been completely honest about her minority heritage, she is still LESS Native American than she is a phrenologist, physiogomist, geneaologist, licensed attorney, and consistent advocate for the “little guy.”
5) Elizabeth Warren is a huckster and a fraud about her minority status and her stalwart solicitude for the “little guy,” who feels that rules and taxes apply to others, and that enough voters can be fooled enough of the time. Her investments include “Big Oil” via TIAA-CREF funds, and “small oil” won’t make the cost of living any less for the “little guy,” but why should she care? She works and lives in a tiny little cocoon, or wigwam, if you will.
Elizabeth Warren is Hillary Clinton redux, without the vicarious political experience of being the First Lady of Arkansas and the First Lady of the United States.
Is Elizabeth Warren working today or is she taking part in any Columbus Day protests? If the latter, does it include protesting against her own ancestors who helped execute the Trail of Tears and may have shot or harmed Native Americans?
Yeah, Oklahoma of the first half of the last century was so, so white. It was named the Indian Territory just to lure white tourists by the train-load. No one intermarried with Indians, as it was such a taboo. Because of that strict race separation, there are two distinct classes of people in modern day Oklahoma: Aryans and Indians. And we all know that the Aryan supremacists oppress the Indian minority; that’s why the Indians are forced to work in casinos with names like Cherokee, Kiowa, etc.
And no, my typical Oklahoma ancestry doesn’t include a lot of Cherokee and Choctaw, with a smattering of Kiowa and Sac and Fox. (If you’ll recall that the great Aryan athlete Jim Thorpe, who played football for Carlisle Prep, was somehow associated with the Sac and Fox.) I made it all up so my kids could pretend they were disadvantaged “Indians” and parlay that into a political career or a teaching career at a large northeastern Ivy League university.
The Boston Globe finally figured us out. Damnit to Hell.
Trooper John – Warren does not have Oklahoma ancestry, but she does have ancestors, on both of her parents sides, from Missouri pre 1850 (as well as Illinois, Ohio and New Jersey)
I’m pretty sure she was born in Oklahoma City and lived there until she went to college.
Born and raised.
If I were to claim Native American ancestry, people could easily see that my grandparents/great grandparent immigrated from Europe. Line up all 8 great grand parents and I am done when it s seen that none were Native to the USA
Why can’t this been done for Warren? That will end the inquiry and crush all linger doubts.
Is there a graphic/picture of EW’s family tree that is accessible on the Internet?
Re: george | October 8, 2012 at 10:10 pm
Have you seen this site?
And another page on the same site?
Prof. Jacobson has linked to it before, and it has a lot of information like you are asking about. Be sure to follow some of the links there. Twila, the writer, has loads of documentation that clearly shows Ms. Warren is not Native American. But Twila is also being threatened by Warren supporters for telling the truth. Warren’s supporters ignore the evidence and believe the lies. How does one “crush all linger (sic) doubts” for delusional people?
SueAnne – Thank you.