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Hundreds of Cherokees form new group to challenge Elizabeth Warren

Hundreds of Cherokees form new group to challenge Elizabeth Warren

A new group of over 150 Cherokees and growing has formed with the purpose of forcing Elizabeth Warren to give up her false claim to Cherokee heritage.

The group has a new blog, Cherokees Demand Truth from Elizabeth Warren, and corresponding Facebook page:

Mission Statement

Cherokees Demand Truth from Elizabeth Warren is a group of authentic Cherokees and descendants devoted to sharing the truth about our history. Our mission is to help people understand what a real Cherokee is and to show why Elizabeth Warren claiming to be Cherokee without proof is harmful and offensive to us.

The group presently consists of 156 Cherokees and is growing:

We are a group of concerned enrolled Cherokees and descendants from the three federally recognized Cherokee tribes; the Cherokee Nation, the United Keetoowah Band of Cherokee Indians, and the Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians; who demand that Elizabeth Warren tell the truth about her “Cherokee” ancestry and identity. Our group, 149 members strong and growing each day, is in it’s infancy so we are, at this time, an informal one with no specific organizational structure. Spokespeople for the group are Twila Barnes and David Cornsilk….

This is NOT a political group, but instead, a group that demands Elizabeth Warren and others like her understand OUR history belongs to us and no one has the right to try to rewrite it or make up fictitious stories so they can fit in it or take advantage of it. Only those who meet the requirements under Cherokee law should claim to be Cherokee. We hope to help educate the public on what is and is not true about our history and also why the false claims like Elizabeth Warren is making are harmful to the Cherokee people.

The first blog post is Elizabeth Warren – The Cherokees Will Not Be Silenced:

Many wonder why we Cherokees are so insistent on Elizabeth Warren coming clean about her false claims of Cherokee ancestry. This is not a political issue to us. We don’t care if Elizabeth Warren is a Democrat, Republican, or an Independent. We do care, though, if she goes around claiming to be Cherokee and has tried to benefit from that claim….

Many members of these fraudulent groups base their claim of Cherokee ancestry on the same thing Ms. Warren bases hers on…family lore…. Like Warren and her contributions to the Pow Wow Chow cookbook, those fake Indians bastardized our traditions by doing things that were not representative of true Cherokee culture…. Like Warren in her “checking the box” to further her career, these people did the exact same thing, “checked the box”, in order to try to benefit from it.

We have researched Ms. Warren’s ancestry in the line she claims to be Cherokee through, as well as researched the collateral lines connected to that family. There is absolutely no indication of her having anything other than Caucasian ancestors…. Ms. Warren’s ancestors were not Cherokees and neither is she. We, as Cherokees, cannot allow Ms. Warren to continue on with her false claims…..

It is time for Ms. Warren to come clean and tell the truth. Until she does, we will not be silenced.

There is a separate section of the blog on Warren’s genealogy which traces Warren’s Crawford family line (which is the supposed source of her Cherokee ancestry) back to the great-great-great grandparent level, finding no Cherokee lineage.  This is consistent with prior findings by others.

One of the spokesmen for the group, Twila Barnes, previously has spoken out about Warren’s false claims. Barnes has led the genealogical effort and in a prior post and another post today, demonstrates the falsity of Warren’s claim.  This is consistent with prior findings by others.

Will Warren just keep repeating that she is Native American because her mother told her so, or will Warren finally come clean?

Update:  Michael Patrick Leahy at Breitbart.com notes that the explanations from Harvard do not make sense, What Did Harvard Know About Elizabeth ‘Woman of Color’ Warren, and When Did They Know It?

How is it that many students and members of the Harvard Law School faculty were aware of Warren’s Native American ancestry claims at this time of her tenure offer in February 1993, but the two key players in the hiring decision have no recollection of those claims until afterwards?

Leahy also has an interview of Twila Barnes regarding the new Cherokee group.

And, Leahy, who has led the way in investigating Warren’s claims, also notes that the Warren campaign issued a statement refusing to respond to the new Cherokee group’s demands.

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Comments

dorsaighost | May 30, 2012 at 7:32 am

My mother told me the Tooth Fairy, the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus where real too. Turns out Warren is just another race hustler in a lilly white shell …

That WHOOOSHING sound was Warren’s campaign being sucked out the door.

The tomahawk is about to fall on the Warren campaign 🙂

DavidJackSmith | May 30, 2012 at 7:46 am

It’s the Battle of the Little Big Lies

You know, some of this “who is a Cherokee” business reminds me of the “who is a Jew” controversy, and people who insist that they can decide unilaterally that they are Jewish and the rest of us must accept them. Some time ago I had a huge fight with Aaron Worthing over his insistence that he could legitimately call himself a Jew because he believed in the teachings of a Jew or some nonsense like that. He refused to accept that Jewish identity has nothing to do with what you believe, and is entirely governed by who your mother is. He insisted that that was just my opinion, rather than a fact, and that his contrary opinion was just as good. Telling him that this has been the rule accepted by all Jews for 3300 years did nothing. So I can see how Warren may have similar feelings about stuck-up Cherokees who presume to tell her what the rules are. She feels Cherokee, and she never consented to any rules that say otherwise.

Compounding this is the fact that of ones 32 great-great-great-grandparents only one determines whether one is Jewish; if that one was Jewish then the other 31 could be Hottentots and one would still be Jewish, while if she was not then it wouldn’t matter if the other 31 were all directly descended from Moses. To an outsider that must not seem like a reasonable rule, and yet it is the one laid down by 3300-year-old law, and it’s not really anyone else’s business. So I can see that the Cherokee rules might seem unreasonable to outsiders, but those are their rules.

    Ragspierre in reply to Milhouse. | May 30, 2012 at 8:18 am

    Sammy Davis, Jr.

    On can convert to Judaism. I don’t think you can convert to Cherokeeism. (The lessons would be interesting, anyhow.)

    Although, that may be Warren’s next trial balloon…

      Squires in reply to Ragspierre. | May 30, 2012 at 9:08 am

      “Jewish” has more than one meaning – identifying either the religion and culture, or the distinct genetic grouping which has managed to persist despite being spread from India to western Europe via numerous waves of refugees taking flight over the course of thousands of years.

      Milhouse seems a little confused about this. One might ask him if he considers the Beta Israel to be Jewish, as they are the descendents of converts without any particular blood-relation to the ancient Jews of the Levant. Israel seems content to accept them as Jews.

    The test for “Jewish” is very simple. Just ask Adolph Hitler.

    tytyvyllus in reply to Milhouse. | June 1, 2012 at 8:47 am

    if one wishes one can convert to Judaism yet no conversion to Cherokee is possible; you are or you are not. Warren is not.

Fabrication as a means to an end is sacred ground to liberals. Warren will probably dig in her heels just like her cousin five times removed – Obama.

Don’t forget. Warren is above the fray and above us un-liberal-educated peons. She wants to help the deserving little people among us fight against the tyranny of success.

OT:

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John Cornsilk | May 30, 2012 at 8:27 am

156 Cherokee folks as listed members of a group to discuss this issue is good, and growing a little faster than what is considered the norm…

The thing to consider these 156 people are not the only folks interested, as you probably notice not all 156 make comment on screen, but they do talk to each other, and family in person so the word is quite wide spread, and to demonstrate I picked four personal pages of Cherokee folks note the numbers of folks on their individual friend list that could possibly frequent this subject either in comment or just reading.

Here are the 4 pages:

https://www.facebook.com/cherokeesevenstar 3853 folks on list

https://www.facebook.com/#!/john.cornsilk 2121 folks on list

https://www.facebook.com/cherokeesevenstar 1382 on list

https://www.facebook.com/RAYMONDVANN 1433 on this list

So you can betchur sweet bippy E warren is getting notice!

    Mary Sue in reply to John Cornsilk. | May 30, 2012 at 5:00 pm

    Thank you for your effort to hold Elizabeth Warren accountable. It should be more than enough that Twila Barnes challenged Warren to come clean and end this charade. Let’s see if Ms. Warren has the audacity to ignore the challenge of 156 Cherokees with thousands more in reserve.

    MathMom in reply to John Cornsilk. | June 3, 2012 at 10:23 am

    I am stunned ab how many of those people pictured on the linked Facebook pages look exactly like Elizabeth Warren! It’s uncanny.

    /sarc

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Insufficiently Sensitive | May 30, 2012 at 9:06 am

If Elizabeth Warren were Republican, the MSM would be all over her ‘ethnic misappropriation’, and she’d lose most of her political support from ‘the people’.

But she’s a Democrat, and pretty far-left at that. Such folks accord Indians tribes near-godlike status as first nations, oppressed minorities, stewards of the earth and speakers of incontrovertible truth to power. The political correctitude of this band of Cherokees, even more than any objective truth of their assertions, is the kiss of death to this candidate among her very own base. She cannot prevail by speaking ANY truth whatever to their power – they are the ultimate trumps.

Her only hope will be to organize support from a different set of Indians, preferably Cherokees, and to set her MSM poodles to focus all attention on them to the exclusion of the “Cherokees Demand Truth…” organization.

Obama: Dreams from My Father
Warren: Dreams from My Mother

EW’s deception…
It stabs at the heart of the Cherokee people.

radiofreeca | May 30, 2012 at 9:58 am

The Democrat Party is building up a long history of taking advantage of minorities: in the 1840s to 1860s, it was enslaving Blacks, and in 2012 its falsely claiming to be a minority, to take advantage of them in a different way. They really don’t have any respect for “little people” – they just use them.

NC Mountain Girl | May 30, 2012 at 10:33 am

I am particularly amused with Warren’s insistence that since her mother told her it must be true. I had to stamp out a few potential fables in the making when a parent who was slipping into dementia decided there was an Indian in our family tree.

Anyone who has researched his or her own family knows that lore is unreliable for a variety or reasons. It may be as simple as eliding a few greats in all the retelling so the exotic ancestors is not 1/32 but 1/256. It may be a lie told to protect someone bastard born or to avoid stigma as prejudices change over time and with geographic location. I’ve heard of people who have researched their purported Cherokee ancestor only to learn that the person was more likely African American.

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LukeHandCool | May 30, 2012 at 2:38 pm

You can’t spell “Cherokee” without Cher.

Just like you can’t spell “white reservation” without Warren.

LukeHandCool (who urges Cher to release “Half-1/16 Breed” in support of her equally teased and taunted ideological sister).

Must of been what parents told kids in the late 40’s, early 50’s, because according to my dad, I was 1/32 Cherokee as well. Maybe I’m related to Elizabeth?

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daddybrock32 | May 30, 2012 at 10:20 pm

Maybe she meant the Cleveland Indians.

One has to wonder how real these so called 156 Indians are. Most people fake this heritage, and this is an awfully Republican position to take. Indians are usually Democrats, by far. Most people who are “Indians” are one quarter or less to begin with. I smell a Republican rat trying to keep this story alive for political reasons.

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A politician that lies, big surprise! Of all the tribes to pick, she picked the Cherokee. I wounder why? After all the Cherokee have so much to be proud of lately. Cultural prejudice to name one. What? They can’t be prejudiced because they are a minority? Well that’s BS. People are People, no mater what color skin they have. I’m not Cherokee but I did have an ancestresses that was. Just because my Great Great Great Grandmother was Cherokee doesn’t mean I am, just that they are a part of my genetic make up. I used to have some pride about it, till their form of government kicked out the tribe members that were descended from those who were their slaves. These people were raised in the culture adopted by their ancestors and now they been expelled. Something to be proud of people. About as proud as Elizabeth Warren should be for claiming Cherokee heritage if she wasn’t raised Cherokee and can’t claim at least 1/4 blood. Even then the bias among Cherokee or to be more accurate, the prejudice, would see that person as less of a tribe member then a full or half blood. I have friends that are part Cherokee and what they’ve told me about being on the reservation and being Cherokee and not looking Cherokee, should be against the law, any law. But from what I’ve heard about the Cherokee Fair is not something they are interested in, if your not a full blood. Elizabeth Warren should be ashamed of what she claimed and the Cherokee should be ashamed of their prejudice as well.

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I think it’s interesting that many are questioning this individual’s story. There are many Native American families that did not register in the Dawes Roll nor did they want to be known as Native American back then due to fear of being mistreated or people being prejudice. My husband’s family has linkage to the Cherokee tribe and he tells people that he is Native American. He hasn’t enrolled or shown proof but he has family that have. Do African Americans have to show proof that they are African American? I think it’s silly that people are giving her a hard time. Besides look at how many records, names, and even people are hard to trace the family roots. Especially Native Americans because they are the most difficult.

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