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A little big point about Elizabeth Warren’s 1/32 connection

A little big point about Elizabeth Warren’s 1/32 connection

Much of the discussion in the media regarding Elizabeth Warren is about whether it is appropriate for someone who is 1/32 Cherokee to claim Native American status.

There are numerous articles about what it means to be Native American, and who gets to define ethnicity.  That percentage question also is evolving into a bigger question of affirmative action.

Put aside that it is not proven that Warren’s great-great-great grandmother was Cherokee.

Even if Warren’s great-great-great grandmother were Cherokee, it’s irrelevant to Warren’s motivation to self-identify as Native American for a law faculty directory, which resulted in her being listed as “minority,” because Warren was not aware of the alleged 1/32 connection at the time she filled out the forms.

As her campaign press secretary told me on April 30, just before the alleged 1/32 connection was discovered, Warren based her entries and claim to Native American status solely on family “lore.”

Yet the possible but unproven 1/32 connection, discovered decades later, now forms the basis for Warren’s media narrative to defend Warren against suggestions she tried to game the system.

It’s a little but big point, because Warren’s motivations in claiming Native American status, and her bizarre explanation that she did it to meet other Native Americans, have nothing to do with the alleged 1/32 connection.

And it’s those motivations and evasive explanations that go to whether Warren should be elected to the Senate, not the percentage — if any — of her blood that is Cherokee.

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She’s a fraud, period.

Ragspierre | May 5, 2012 at 8:24 am

Makes for excellent mockage.

Which, coupled with her radical notions of government and her OWS matronage…should put her away.

persecutor | May 5, 2012 at 8:37 am

Hokumhantus is counting on the loyal Sheeple to overlook this little indiscretion, since she did it “for the children!”

Can someone from the left provide us with a list, in descending order, please, of preferred ethnicities, race, gender, nation of origin, and sexual orientation, so that we know how to evaluate candidates, instead of relying on their position on issues less substantive in nature?

    Browndog in reply to windbag. | May 5, 2012 at 9:00 am

    No.

    persecutor in reply to windbag. | May 5, 2012 at 9:21 am

    [sarcasm on] Easy to figure out on your own.

    If the candidate is a White, European, Republican Male or Female, you shouldn’t vote for that person, and if you are any of the above, please allow someone from ACORN to vote on your behalf.

    So simple, even a liberal can figure it out! [sarcasm off]

    Seriously, though, it’ time we took what they’re saying at face value and run with it. For instance, the “wise Latino” nonsense should have been pushed back by asking for a list of which minorities are wisest when deciding Supreme Court nominations. Demands for diversity should be met with demands for clarification on the inferiority of the group that will be underrepresented by the results of diversity restructuring.

Another Elizabeth Warren hit piece?

Another attack on women?

I don’t know if Professor Jacobson ever wore a bow tie, but if he did, former ACORN/Hillary Clinton adviser/Fox News contributor Jehmu Greene has this to say:

“To question this woman on her qualifications is going to be something that does appeal to… folks like you, voters like you, bow tie’n white boys, but at the end of the day it is going to backfire…”

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/05/democrat-strategist-jehmu-greene-hurls-racial-slur-at-tucker-carlson-bow-tien-white-boy-video/

Stop the hate!

Bow-tying white boys…DENOUNCE YOURSELVES!

Uncle Samuel | May 5, 2012 at 9:08 am

My question is – Did Warren get money, grants, jobs and entry to college, etc. because of this unproven status as a native-American?

Didn’t Obama? Isn’t being a foreign student that why he got into the colleges he attended? Who paid his tuition?

If so, doesn’t that make Obama a null and void illegal president?

He’s an encroacher, opportunist, user, manipulator, player and liar, just like most of his administration.

Just like the presumptive GOP candidate.

    janitor in reply to Uncle Samuel. | May 5, 2012 at 10:12 am

    Of course.

    A less little big point is when are we going to end affirmative action and the identity diversity politics.

Juba Doobai! | May 5, 2012 at 9:25 am

She wanted to meet Indians? How do you do that without asking questions openly, without actively seeking to make contact? I met a heaping bunch in South Dakota and marveled that some seemed to have this wonderful red complexion which I’ve seen on some in Asia, as well as in a few blacks and whites. She could also hang out in rest areas in Idaho. (LOL!) I met an Indian guy there and asked him about his wonderful braids, and he looked at me as though I’d just dropped from a hollow tree cuz, I guess, he figured everybody knows braids mean Indian. Except me, I thought he was a hippie, a la Willie Nelson. Hey, you never know who you might meet once you start talking to people and asking them stupid questions cuz you never know who is riding the roads! But, sitting in th faculty lounge or in your office in Harvard ain’t the place.

Didn’t Obama? Isn’t being a foreign student that why he got into the colleges he attended? Who paid his tuition?
_______________

We don’t know if Obama qualified for any aid or preferences by claiming to be a foreign student. However, he has admitted that he was a beneficiary of Affirmative Action during his scholastic career (despite having grown up middle class, and having attended Punahou, the most expensive private school in Oahu). Checking the “African-American” box on your college (or law school) application adds a significant number of points to your score. Also, Obama’s father attended (but never graduated from) Harvard, so Obama also likely received the benefit of “legacy” points. The left thought legacy points were outrageous and racist and wrong when they helped someone like George W. Bush get into Yale, but they’re somehow perfectly okay when they help somebody like Barack Obama get into Harvard.

BTW, did you ever catch the interview of candidate Obama being asked if his super-privileged daughters should ever benefit from Affirmative Action? He refused to say they should not. Two girls who have lived a life of privilege unimagineable to most Americans, two girls who’ve had the benefit of attending exclusive (and incredibly expensive) private schools their entire lives, two girls who’ve lived in the White House for years, should get an extra advantage when being considered for college admission or for a job (ahead of the white or Asian kids of bus drivers, coal miners, dry cleaners, etc.) because of the color of their skin. How, in a sane world, is that “fair”?

Juba Doobai! | May 5, 2012 at 9:31 am

On another note, Juan Williams, ungrateful bastard, misses the learned and influential audience he had at NPR. That’s the thing about Fox. For an audience, they’ve only got rednecks, crackers, and hayseed hicks, the Rio Linda crowd, and that bunch of big bellied beer swillers for whom farting is an Olympic team sport. Fox really should try to upgrade its audience from the dumb as a box of rocks gang to the march in lockstep, blame America firsters, degreed not credentialed elites.
http://www.capitalnewyork.com/article/media/2012/05/5837671/juan-williams-misses-npr-ben-smith-competes-taco-bell-health-channel

Alex Bensky | May 5, 2012 at 9:32 am

I like Ms. Greene’s protest, how dare they question her qualifications? I thought that’s what was supposed to happen in a campaign–candidates were supposed to show why they were qualified.

Windbag, all you need to do is check the collected works of Prof. Mari Matsuda. A law professor, she has written–I am not making this up or unfairly summarizing–that certain “previously silenced” groups are entitled to rights that other groups are not. Just check which groups she likes; Matsuda Doctrine groups are the ones you’re looking for.

Oddly enough, with respect to groups that have previously been silenced or persecuted, there’s one group she doesn’t name. I’ll leave you to the fun of finding out but here’s a hint: the group’s name rhymes with “you know whose.”

Meanwhile, I will be following Warren’s example. Although my family are Ashkenazim as far back as we know, “family lore” had been that we are directly related to the British royal family. Yes, many’s the Passover we’ve sat around reminiscing about how Aunt Sophie and Queen Victoria used to sit around drinking tea and talking about the kids, and how Uncle Hyman and the Duke of Marlborough used to have a beer at the veteran’s meetings.

So my next trip to London I won’t bother paying for a place to stay; Cousin Liz will put me up.

    persecutor in reply to Alex Bensky. | May 5, 2012 at 1:00 pm

    Alex, it’s well known in my family’s lore that the Queen is Sephardic.

    Better check your family tree!

Midwest Rhino | May 5, 2012 at 9:34 am

Warren’s lack of integrity AND her far left radicality should fully disqualify her. But with the left running major media, breaking news never breaks, if it is leaning to the left … it gets shape shifted and redirected, then blows away like dust in the wind.

Bush shows competence in flight, and is prepared to serve, but false papers are fact until proven otherwise. And when “otherwise” is proven, it doesn’t make the news, so most think it never happened.

But if one questions Elizabeth’s motives in her scam, it can only be due to some deep seated hatred of women.

Warren’s problem is not just a distant indiscretion, it is her current unwillingness to come clean. Elizabeteh denies she is anything but the pure hearted liberal lioness that so many liberals self identify as.

How dare anyone question her for using the race card and gender card … it’s all for the greater good. She spews out a series of pathetic excuses rather than admit (even to herself perhaps), that she may have gained her status by claiming liberal status, gender status, and Native American status.

Wiki’ says she was Republican till 1995 … did checking the “Democrat status” box also serve to advance her career? Is Warren just a serial box checker?

What’s next?

Is the Professor going to destroy any childhood illusions that F Troop was a true story, with real Indians?

Eric Holder said we were a nation of cowards for not talking about race-

Since the opposite of “coward” is “Brave”, I know there is a joke in there somewhere-

No time to find it–moving day, and will be off line until and unless the cable guy shows up at the new place-

Some of you may be asking: What’s this, Browndog-more sarcasm without the tag?

Yea, I denounce myself.

radiofreeca | May 5, 2012 at 10:42 am

My grandmother always said that she felt Indian in her blood. That’s more than Warren’s got, so I’m gonna checkmark that I’m Native American from now on – if it’s good enough for a Democratic Politician, it’s good enough for me, a mere worker bee.

Anybody else out there who had ancestors say things like this? I strongly recommend all Conservatives go consult the Mormon (and other family-tree records) to discover their 1/32 minority status. Then ask around for any family lore!

After all, Obama hasn’t disagreed with Warren’s statements, which means even the Federal government approves of her marking minority status with 1/32 of a rumor.

http://www.ocregister.com/opinion/great-352668-warren-elizabeth.html
Mark Steyn: Fauxcahontas and the melting pot
Mark is truly a wordsmith. Crockajawea Warren is Laugh Out Loud Funny article.”…Just in case you’re having difficulty keeping up with all these Composite-Americans, George Zimmerman, the son of a Peruvian mestiza, is the embodiment of endemic white racism and the reincarnation of Bull Connor, but Elizabeth Warren, the great-great-great-granddaughter of someone who might possibly have been listed as Cherokee on an application for a marriage license, is a heartwarming testimony to how minorities are shattering the glass ceiling in Harvard Yard. George Zimmerman, redneck; Elizabeth Warren, redskin. Under the Third Reich’s Nuremberg Laws, Ms. Warren would have been classified as Aryan and Mr. Zimmerman as non-Aryan. Now it’s the other way round. Progress!…”
Professor, I commend you on keeping the tale of Fauxcahautus
in the forefront of the real news. I didn’t like the nudie picture of Scott Brown but my goodness he didn’t lie about it and doing it to pay his college bills seemed a justification and I didn’t agree with how he voted on some issues but he is a much better alternative to this lying identity thief for Massachusetts.

    JerryB in reply to beloved2. | May 5, 2012 at 2:19 pm

    Steyn is always a good read.

    Lizzy is desperate to compensate for her lack of Kennedy blood, as “ardent socialist” isn’t always sufficient up here. This time, unlike the last, I’ll pull the lever for the proabort porn star, but it’s more about Hussein than Liz. Last time, Scott was too late to stop Obamacare, and I was loathe to give him a foot up into the national scene (future POTUS? yuk!).

LukeHandCool | May 5, 2012 at 11:52 am

The original “Trail of Tears” will seem like a shaded, quarter-mile interpretive loop trail with plenty of benches just perfect for young mothers with toddlers to get together … compared to the brutal expulsion from the political scene the Professor is overseeing.

Good on ya, Professor!!

LukeHandCool (who abhors identity politics)

SoCA Conservative Mom | May 5, 2012 at 12:42 pm

Once again I feel like I’ve been given a pass to Bizarro World. Are we really going to give someone minority status because they are 1/32 anything? Minority always equaling special. I guess some animals are more equal than others. When are we going to stop with all this BS of being special because of whom our parents/grandparents/great grandparents or great-great-great grandparents were? Just another form of racism to me.

    LukeHandCool in reply to SoCA Conservative Mom. | May 5, 2012 at 1:02 pm

    Sounds like someone is awfully bitter that she doesn’t have any cool minority ancestors of color. 🙂

      SoCA Conservative Mom in reply to LukeHandCool. | May 5, 2012 at 1:08 pm

      We got color. My ancestors painted themselves blue and wore skirts.

        LukeHandCool in reply to SoCA Conservative Mom. | May 5, 2012 at 2:56 pm

        Painted themselves blue, eh?

        Sounds like they had the same complex about their light complexion 🙂

        I remember reading a few years ago that all living humans are descended from one mother who lived approximately 200,000 years ago (perhaps scientists have changed their opionion on this … the human tree of evolution appears to be much more complex than previously thought, and new discoveries are coming about at a furious pace).

        So, it may be true that if you go back 200,000 years, we are all descended from the same woman.

        Which kind of creeps me out when I think that as recently as 200,000 years ago Keith Olbermann and I had the same mom.

        We’ll all be stardust soon enough. It’s so silly to take this stuff seriously. One’s deeds in life are all that matter.

          SoCA Conservative Mom in reply to LukeHandCool. | May 5, 2012 at 9:16 pm

          Complex with my light complexion, nah, nothing that a good 1,000,010 spf sunscreen, hot, sunglasses, long sleeves, pants and umbrella won’t solve.

          Happy Cinco de Mayo!

        Juba Doobai! in reply to SoCA Conservative Mom. | May 6, 2012 at 2:20 pm

        Heck, if I was a guy who had to wear skirts in winter, I’d paint myself blue, too. You gotta wonder though if he was trying to color coordinate two unlike things.

          SoCA Conservative Mom in reply to Juba Doobai!. | May 6, 2012 at 10:27 pm

          Years ago one of my Scottish cousins came to stay with us for 6 months. Her skin had a distinctly blue cast to it. No matter how hard she tried, she just couldn’t manage a tan after hours a day in the sun of Southern CA. I hate to say it, but it’s genetic. My skin is so white, you can see all my blue veins up and down my arms and legs… so very attractive and the reason I never wear shorts or skirts.

    Juba Doobai! in reply to SoCA Conservative Mom. | May 6, 2012 at 2:18 pm

    How about I loan you a Carib Indian ancestress? Indigenous. Cannibal. Formerly so. She wasnt a cannibal, but the tribe had a history of it. They ate their enemies into extinction. I sure do love the smell of roasted human in the morning.

Left policy always gets tangled in knots when logic is injected. This is why central control must mitigate all disputes.

Warren reveals the Left’s deep held personal priorities:

– the deep need to belong (Warren)
– the deep need for a a fair and just master to supply provisions and remove risk (Julia)

Even if she does have the 1/32, so what. That may entitle her to membership in the so-called Cherokee Nation, but it sure does not make her a Cherokee. Test this thesis by imaging what would be said of any person who had one of 32 great, great, great grandparents who was born in Mexico claiming to be “Hispanic.” And since we have shared border lands with New Spain/Mexico since colonial times, there are no doubt a lot of such people. Even more to the point, we all know that one legacy of Black slavery was race mixing, again since colonial times, which has left behind a host of white people who have 1/16 or 1/32 or 1/64 Black blood. Most don’t even know about it but some do.

The whole thing, of course, just serves to emphasize the absurdity — and wickedness — of counting noses by “race.”

“A little big point …”

I see what you did there. Clever.

I met Chief Dan George as a youngster. 1971, if my memory serves. He actually visited our house.

I found the 1/32 intriguing so I did some long division and got … 3.125% Let’s round it down to a nice convenient 3%.

So the standard MUST be that if you have >3% Native American blood in you, that qualifies you as a Native American?

Earth to Professor Warren. You make be a law prof at Harvard, but you are damned stupid if you think that being 3 Native American makes you a minority. Why, I’d bet you taught your law students with that same kind of perspicacity and depth. They sure got there money’s worth.

It is offensive to me that Warren, a law professor, lies, gets caught, and just keeps on going. Uncouth, common, and disingenuous. She’s got all of the qualifications she needs to be a U.S. Senator.

WHOOPS! Proofed and corrected (sorry Professor)

I found the 1/32 number intriguing so I did some long division and got … 3.125%. Let’s round it down to a nice convenient 3%.

So the standard MUST be that if you have >3% Native American blood in you, that qualifies you as a Native American?

Earth to Professor Warren. You may be a law prof at Harvard, but you are damned stupid if you think that being 3% Native American makes you a minority. Why, I’d bet you taught your law students with that same kind of perspicacity and depth. They sure got their money’s worth.

It is offensive to me that Warren, a law professor, lies, gets caught, and just keeps on going. Uncouth, common, and disingenuous. She’s got all of the qualifications she needs to be a U.S. Senator.

[…] self-identification as Native American during her academic career – the only problem is that her proof is “family lore” that her great, great grandmother was a Cherokee from Oklahom…. Even if true, it makes her 1/32 Cherokee – hardly enough to claim Native American status and […]

Lizzy Warren had a hatchet.
(Her family tree, look close to catch it!)
When pressed for proof, what’s be done?
See there! Thirty two to one!

twreynoldson | May 6, 2012 at 11:16 pm

What if Warrens’ ancestor was 1/32 Cherokee? Why do all assume she was full blooded? That is like assuming Warren is full blooded when one sees her listing on her Harverd app 110 years from now…

[…] self-designation was based solely on Warren’s family “lore” not genealogical research, and resulted in Warren being included […]

[…] at Legal Insurrection, who in turn had received the information from one of his readers. Jacobson, who has questioned Warren’s explanation for her law faculty listing, calls this discovery “the ultimate […]

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