Saturday Night Card Game (What happens when Zimmerman is found “not guilty”?)
George Zimmerman has been tried and convicted in the media and public opinion for the shooting of Trayvon Martin, with the case almost uniformly being portrayed as racially motivated, with the wearing of a hoody by a young black male as the symbol.
Violence is in the air.
Already Louis Farrakan has threatened “retaliation,” and the New Black Panther Party has passed out “Wanted dead or alive” posters for Zimmerman and is offering a $10,000 bounty.
A threat has been made on the Sanford Police Chief.
Spike Lee, most famous for his movie about racial tensions spilling into violence, is helping spread Zimmerman’s home address.
Al Sharpton, who has a sordid history of capitalizing on racial controversies such as this, is leading mass rallies. Jesse Jackson claims that blacks are “under attack.”
Democratic politicians and pundits have joined the crowd, with Karen Finney on MSNBC blaming Rush Limbaugh and Republican candidates; Charles Pierce in Esquire blaming a Republican-induced war on children; former Michigan Gov. Jennifer Granholm photographed wearing a hoody; and Debbie Wasserman Shultz using the case to demand repeal of Florida’s stand your ground law. And many, many more.
Even Obama has framed the case in racial terms, saying that if he had a son, he would look like Trayvon, which has thrust the issue into presidential politics as Newt pushed back on Obama’s racial narrative of the case.
Zimmerman, not surprisingly, is in hiding and has not returned to work, where his employer fears for the safety of fellow employees.
A case which should be focused on the guilt or innocence of the accused based on evidence, and finding justice for a victim based on law, has been turned into a racial political play.
The evidence made public so far, however, is not as conclusive as public opinion either as to Zimmerman’s guilt of a criminal offense or racial motivation. Based on what is known so far, the possibility of a not guilty verdict is very real; indeed, it is unlikely that Zimmerman would be charged but for the public outcry.
As we know, even seemingly rock solid cases of racially motivated violence can fall apart once the actual evidence is scrutinized in court and a vigorous defense — which includes a focus on the alleged crime victim — is part of the defense strategy:
George Holliday thought his video camera had captured something important. On March 4, Holliday took his film to Los Angeles television station KTLA. News producers at KTLA found the tape shocking and played it on the evening news. CNN picked up the tape the next day and soon it was everywhere. CNN Vice President Ed Turner said “television used the tape like wallpaper.” Most viewers who saw the tape–which ran without the first fuzzy seconds showing King’s charge at Powell–as revealing the brutal and senseless beating of a helpless drunk. A poll taken in Los Angeles after the tape had been running showed that 92% of those polled believed that excessive force was used against Rodney King. Those feelings seemed to extend even to many within the LAPD itself. Police Chief Daryl Gates called the use of force “very, very extreme”: “For the LAPD, considered by many the finest, most professional police department in the world, it was more than extreme. It was impossible.” …
Stacey Koon was of three defendants to take the stand. He proved to be an impressive witness. Koon testified that he had quickly identified King as dangerous, believing him to be an ex-con on PCP. He said he was “concerned” and “a little frightened” by King. He described the use of escalating force–verbal commands, swarming, use of the electric stun guns, and finally metal batons–and how they were used on the night of March 3, 1991. Koon seemed to sincerely believe that the use of force against King had been appropriate and controlled. The most effective moment in his testimony came when he was asked by Mounger, what he was “thinking at the time you saw Melanie Singer approaching with a gun in her hand?” Koon fought back tears as he answered: “They show you a picture when you are in the Academy [taken] at the morgue, and it is four [highway patrol] officers in full uniform that are on a slab and they are dead, and it is the Newhall shooting.”
In a frame-by-frame analysis of the videotape, expert witness Sergeant Charles Duke backed up Koon’s contention that only reasonable force was used against King. Duke, a critic of LAPD policy banning use of chokeholds, suggested that the King incident showed the inevitable result of a policy that left the police with few viable options short of deadly force. Duke said it was sometimes necessary “to break a bone” and that every one of the fifty-six baton swings shown on the videotape was justified.
The defense, it would turn out, won its case with Koon and Duke….
With the evidence not seeming to be as conclusive as public opinion in the Martin case, this is being set up for a major blow-up, in which expectations and agitation confront the legal rights of the accused.
We know what happens when there is no outlet, when a case has been so used for racial politics that a portion of the public will not accept anything less than a conviction, and where tempers have been so inflamed that flames are the result.
We may not be there yet, but if we allow the narrative to continue as it has, with the racial agitators leading the way, we may get there.
Responsible Democratic and Republican leaders should — as many have done — demand a thorough investigation in which the outcome is not prejudged, and should have the guts to stand up to the Al Sharptons of the world.
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Hie thee to a microphone, Mr. Obama.
It’s such a horrible thing to see race pimps like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson, Spike Lee and Barak Obama putting their own personal advancement above public safety and due process. That said, I could have seen this one coming from a thousand yards. None of these race pimps had been able to foment race hatred for some time. And in Barry’s case, it will also serve to change the narrative from his failed presidency, something his phony, silly “war on women” false meme failed to do.
It’s going to get ugly this summer. Make sure you are prepared to defend you and yours.
I agree that the case shouldn’t be tried in the media and that to do so is irresponsible. Same goes for Rivera.
I frankly wish Prof. Jacobson had said if rather than when Zimmerman is exonerated, as it sounds like he’s doing the same thing.
A friend of mine is a former LAPD officer. In the section of his bio blog page labeled “Drugs, Politics, and Violence,” he reveals the real ugly politics behind banning the much safer “chokehold” and how it ended up getting him kicked off–but later reinstated–the police force:
Who knows what will happen? Hopefully it won’t degenerate into the kind of thing we saw after Rodney King so rudely hurt the feet and dented the nightsticks of the LAPD officers while lying on the ground.
The cops had to work extra hard to get the shine back into their boots after that.
Really, just STFU.
Isn’t that what people say when they don’t want the truth told? Is that really how we deal with differences of opinion here? STFU? Really?
You’ve got the mob here behind you, so it’s a safe position.
No it is what you say when someone should just STFU.
A pox be upon you Rags!
Now you have upset Nathan’s cousin zazz.
Good job 🙂
Nathan really IS that guy who stalked Palin. That or something that crawled out from under a rock…
Nathan, once again sounds like the classic liberal agi-troll that were my friends on Facebook until I gave up that hopeless soapbox…..since they cannot stand on reason they resort to “trollish” behavior in hopes of inciting violence from normally civil folks. Watch as “occupy” provides the false violence this summer and people like Nathan’s faces get in the way of a swinging baton and cry like the little violence-inducing bitc#es that they are. Have I mentioned that I dislike people like Nathan? It is a shame he shares the same name as a great guy I once knew named Nathan who died of a Heroin overdose.
yep ole rodney got his drunken felon ass beat after a 10 mile police chase and resisting arrest and the AA community then proceded to kill …what was it 54 – 55 people and burned 1/2 of LA to express their displeasure
They burned much of south central LA, which needed a good purge anyway. The only trouble is that hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars were then spent on “community redevelopment”, which has all gone to hell again. Rinse and repeat. It’s the nature of the beast. Some folks just weren’t meant to live in a civilized society – square peg, round hole – not a feasible fit.
Somewhere, Frances Fox Piven is smiling; licking her chops!
The old Pinko is out there cheerleading as we speak –
Why does it seem like the professional race baiters (including our divisive President) want to see this result in violence between the races.
Could it be that is exactly their desire?
They are purposely inflaming passions and unless we get some real leadership with influence in the black community who can undue the damage being done there will be blood and it will be innocent people of both races who will suffer. If this is allowed to be pushed into a race war it will be all but impossible to repair the damage.
well, war on the rich didn’t work, neither did the war on women, so I guess here is one more try.
Nice how all this fits into Obama’s 3/16 (or is that 3:16?) executive order concerning martial law, isn’t it?
Four legs good, two legs better…
“Already Louis Farrakan has threatened ‘retaliation,’ and the New Black Panther Party has passed out ‘Wanted dead or alive’ posters for Zimmerman and is offering a $10,000 bounty.”
But at least Limbaugh didn’t call George Zimmerman a slut.
“But at least Limbaugh didn’t call George Zimmerman a slut.”
Yeah, exactly. There’s no war on women but there is a war on our first-world status.
That the most evil of demagogic race hustlers, Sharpton, has his own primetime TV show is simply scary.
I never figured out how Korean merchants were held responsible for all that went on with Rodney King.
“New Black Panther Party has passed out ‘Wanted dead or alive’ posters for Zimmerman and is offering a $10,000 bounty.”
Isn’t this a highly illegal act, a murder for hire scenario? Shouldn’t law enforcement be arresting members of the New Black Panther Party? Whatever happened to, “innocent until proven guilty?”
Oh, I forgot. Eric Holder is in charge of the DOJ.
I don’t like Romney. I’ve said in the past that I would only vote for Romney if the Supreme Court struck down Obamacare. This has really changed my mind though. Even if Republicans gain control of the Senate, it isn’t enough of a counterweight. There is nothing worse than having Obama and Holder in power, with the media as their lapdog.
I don’t like the Republican party, I don’t trust them to handle a one party control over the legislative and executive branches. I think they are just as corrupt as Democrats, just with different cronies. However, I don’t think they will actively try to destroy the liberty of Americans; they are too focused on their own self interest.
The Democrat party, on the other hand, seems to be devoted to bringing down America from the inside. It needs to be SMACKED DOWN HARD for what they have done to America with this administration.
1. Per commenter Jim, I’ve posted from time to time that every day the public does not focus on Obama’s record is a good day for Democrats.
2. If the Democrats had a filibuster-proof Congress, I would expect attempts to ban stand-your-ground laws at the federal level.
3. Look for attempts to do so via the federal courts, especially if Democrats get a SCOTUS majority.
4. #3 should refocus us on Obama’s record and on the danger of reelecting him.
gs, you are right.
Every moment spent on these phony controversies takes our attention away from this amazing drama, this primary. That is WHY we are having these phony controversies.
Measure who you want speaking for ALL Americans, of EVERY background, in the coming months.
It has to be someone who can articulate the unity of America and design a national campaign as well as powerfully stand up to Obama and the MSM and the race-trouble professionals.
We need an ace on this. The outcome of this fall’s election is being decided now.
The left never stops with this crap. They would be doing this whether it was an election year or not. They always want to give the media some high drama to focus on so they can put the pedal to the metal on their corrupt activities while the public’s attention is diverted.
The DA of Philadelphia, which was the site of a well orchestrated and well covered “hoody march” on Friday, released a statement demanding the prosecution of Zimmermann accompanied by a photo of himself in a hoody. This is the City of Philadelphia’s head prosecutor.
For his part, the Mayor of Philly took to the airwaves to term the shooting an “assassination.”
Elected officials are wildly fanning the flames. When/if there is violence in Philly as some form of protest, there responsibility will lie directly with the Mayor and DA.
I associate the wearing of a hoodie for circumstances other than cold, as anti-social. My feeling is that thugs wear their hoods up to hide their faces because they know there are too many surveillance cameras out there. Only those with anti-social sentiments, which would include a predilection towards criminal behavior would wear their hoods up.
But then, I don’t own an IPod, and I don’t go about with ear buds in my ears. If a person is deeply involved with their own music, why bother having the hood down, and being distracted by the life that surrounds us? Perhaps I’m being too hard on these youngsters.
But, if an individual chooses to dress and behave in a manner most of society associates with criminal elements, society gets to draw their own conclusions.
The problem is that whites and Hispanics are cowering and not standing up for Zimmerman or even the rule of law.
Blacks kill each other in alarming numbers, no sweat, yet when one of them is killed by someone not black, they jump. The hypocrisy and the indignation are comical, as is the posturing and buffoonery that go hand-in-hand.
Seems like the Democrats are waging their own “War on Intelligence”. And they are winning that war.
Think of Henry Louis Gates (resisted arrest by police officer); Bill Sparkman (suicide); and Gabrielle Giffords (shot at political appearance). In each situation opinions were formed and became part of the public consciousness that were later proven to be wrong once the facts were established. Someday, someone will be able to write a book based on incidents like this to show how easily people are duped by the Democrats, with a complicit media willing to abet the cause. Good that the internet has a long memory.
And the name of that book:
How the Media and the SDS Created Unrest and Fundamentally Transformed America
…..which won’t be written (it will be verboten), until these totalitarian propaganda ministers and their masters are defeated.
Those who control the narrative – aka the spin – control the conversation, and the outcome.
DINORightMarie — of course, what we’re doing this very moment is breaking up their control.
An Army of Davids, by Glenn Reynolds of InstaPundit.
An army once conscious, impossible to defeat.
[…] II: Turns out Professor Jacobson and I were thinking the same thing. With the evidence not seeming to be as conclusive as public […]
“Responsible Democratic and Republican leaders” few if any.
Nobama is not the right leader in this hour..not mature, impartial nor responsible in this particular case. He’s really one of the Farrakhan, Sharpton, Jackson and Wright’s colleagues in arms.
From what I’ve read, it sounds like Zimmerman intially followed Martin, while on the phone with the police who advised him to not follow Martin, and then on the 911 tapes Zimmerman said ok, so Zimmerman was then attacked by Martin, perhaps walking back to his car.
There are 2 witnesses who have said this, according the links on Drudge and the evidence the police saw (grass on the back of Zimmerman’s shirt, etc).
Have a full thourough investigation,and then if Zimmerman did wrong, let justice run its course. However this doesn’t appear to be a clear cut case as Barry and his merry band of professional race baiters make it seem.
This is just creating more of a backlash against the professional race baiters, this is the Henry gates episode all over again. Making judgements without having all the facts.
I might add, democrats are very well trained in this type thing. I remember as a Hillary supporter in 2008, they did this to Hillary all the time, when she made the comment about Johnson and the civil rights act. And then of course against Palin, it was nonstop.
As a recovering liberal, I’m frankly tired of all this race baiting by the dems. Really sick and tired of it.
Using this tragic situation to fan the flames, rather than getting all the facts and letting it run its course.
Thank God you came to your senses and left the Liberal Plantation.
The level of their assinine behavior doesn’t even shock me anymore.
They are Atlas Shrugged come to life.
alex, a thousandfold agreeing.
alex, I can’t tell you how much hope I felt when I read what you wrote. I think there are probably many, many people who feel the same way. I surely do. Even Ronald Reagan was once a Democrat.
This echo-chamber-hysteria-hatred routine only works when the facts can’t get out. Eventually, more and more people will have some initial skepticism.
After all, there is evidence: the MSM TV ratings numbers are dropping and the NYT is having to sell its real estate holdings just to keep going.
The internet is changing this game. “Faster, please”, of course; but it is changing.
And the more people have access to the facts, the more people will be recovering.
So true, Hope.
In the end, truth wins out.
The lies and propaganda of the left will be their undoing.
Why is it tragic?
You are promoting one of the lies being told by the lamestream media, that the Sanford PD dispatcher told Zimmerman to stop following Martin. THAT IS NOT TRUE.
The dispatcher (clearly heard on the 911 tape) asked Zimmerman if he was following Martin. Zimmerman said “yes” and the dispatcher replied “You don’t have to do that.”
That is NOT an order, not to any rational thinking adult. The dispatcher was simply advising Zimmerman he was not required to follow Martin.
Geeze, no wonder we can’t get correct information when people like you continue with the lies.
Yea. Maybe you should read what I actually wrote, not you think I wrote before you charge people of being misinformed.
“while on the phone with the police who advised him to not follow Martin, and then on the 911 tapes Zimmerman said ok”
There’s a difference between “you don’t have to” and “you shouldn’t.”
I know folks have a nasty habit of saying “you don’t have to do that” when they MEAN “don’t do that you moron!!!!!11!!1,” but there is a difference….
The Black Panthers have to be breaking the law and Farrakhan too. People get arrested for issuing threats – such as the guy who threatened the Sanford, FL police chief, Bob Lee.
But will any elected officials have the integrity do anything about that?
Not with Eric Holder as head of the DoJ. Not gonna happen, my friend.
This is what the Weather Underground, the SDS, and the radicals of old wanted and predicted would occur; this is what they desired. They believe, in their sick ideology (as outlined in the screed Prairie Fire by Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn) that the racial tension will lead to a violent revolution which will allow the “fundamental transformation” of America to occur.
Van Jones must be pulling a lot of these strings, as well. Not known yet, not public, but I would NOT be surprised….
I think of the old joke about “cowboys and indians” whenever I see such events unfolding. Violence looks so “romantic” when they show it in rap music, movies and video games but they will run with fear when it breaks out and “their” side starts suffering heavy casualties. note to thugs….holding your “gatt” sideways isn’t the proper way to aim….gun control means hitting your target.
Wow – that’s the same philosophy/plan that Charles Manson used…. “just sayin'”
Just another instance of picking a target and using them (he/she) as fodder to promote the narrative. It is sad. Do we know all the facts yet? Of course not, that would ruin all their fun. Scottsboro, Tawana Brawley, Duke Lacrosse, and quite possibly George Zimmerman.
This happened about a mile from my house. I know the area well. I’m more upset at the local media for cherry-picking information that had to have been known early on–information that would have caused reasonable people to adopt a ‘let the system do its job’ approace. Instead, they used inflammatory rhetoric (Martin was ‘gunned down’)and constantly referred to him as ‘baby-faced’. Naturally people who operate solely on an emotional level have been played like a Strad on this. We are only now hearing from witnesses who strongly suggest this so-called baby-faced kid was the aggressor. He’s over six feet tall and almost 200 pounds–a man by any measure. What was he doing out that late, on a school night, half a state away from his HS (he was on a 5 day suspension)? The nearest convenience store is a good distance away. Why was he near the building and not on the sidewalks? Lots of questions but no one wants to address these. It’s just a pity the same outrage can’t be ginned up by the LSM over the white kid in who was recently doused with gas and set alight by blacks…or those that couple who was kidnapped, tortured, mutilated, and murdered a few years back. It didn’t and they don’t fit the political narrative and it all makes me sick.
I notice the picture they are using does not look like a 17 year old. The picture looks like when he was in middle school, maybe 10, 11, 12? but certainly not 17.
It’s no accident that picture is the one circulating.
Agree 1000%, and you said it so well.
All Martin had to do is walk straight home. If he was scared because Zimmerman was keeping an eye on his movements, he should have called the police. Only somebody who was either angry or saw this as an opportunity to victimize a white or Hispanic would have attacked Zimmerman.
Let’s look at how this would have gone down if Zimmerman had been unarmed, like most people. Zimmerman is eyeing and following Martin because of all the trouble black youth have caused in the neighborhood and the burglaries. Martin gets mad, thinks he’s being “dissed” by whitey or thinks Zimmerman would make a good victim, and starts his beatdown, not expecting Zimmerman to be armed. So he’s got Zimmerman down and is beating him. And he beats him and beats him, and eventually stops, leaving Zimmerman to either die or fend for himself. Zimmerman either dies or reports it to police. Just another black-on-white beatdown crime, no news here, no media, no community outrage, zip, zilch, nada, nothing. Crickets.
Instead, ol’ Trayvon got a little surprise. He attacked somebody and they shot him dead. If every time a a black youth or group of them attacked somebody, one or more of them were shot dead and planted six-feet under, we’d very quickly see a meanigful reversal in the number of black-on-white attacks, in spite of obathturd’s and Holder’s rhetoric.
And there has been no nationally sensationalized news about the fact that Crystal Mangum is in jail awaiting trial on murder charges. Mangum was the lying druggie tramp who accused the WHITE Duke lacrosse players of rape when, in fact, there was never a crime committed and she only cried rape to get out of having to get a drug-test. This is the SECOND time she’s been arrested for very serious violence since the Duke lacrosse case. Only the local media in the Raleigh-Durham area report on it, and not as a headline, I’m told. Oh, did I mention Mangum is black?
The slimestream media bias in this country has become intolerable. Their unwillingness to report black-on-white crime and, conversely, drum up animosity when a black gets his or her just desserts is endangering people’s lives. Whites, Hispanics and Asians should be arming themselves. Hot town, summer in the city, here we come.
They could none of this but for the Legacy Media. None of it. I don’t blame idiots for being idiots. I blame liars for lying. If we keep protesting Obama, we’ll get nowhere. Occupy the MSM. Physically. Sooner rather than later.
Amen, sista! Call ’em out and shout the TRUTH as LOUDLY as possible.
Brietbart couldn’t reform the media…
So, he created his own.
Progressives only deal in absolutes.
1 black youth killed=All whites are murdering all blacks
1 man utters a disparaging remark about 1 woman=All men are at war with all women.
And on it goes until my head hurts-
The Dark Side…
…although I love your Sith/Star Wars analogy, I must say that line was a dig at non-liberal, non-progressives who believe in right and wrong. Absolutes. 😉
I cede your point, while maintaining mine.
….currently trying to reconcile the two in my head..
(may take a while….lol)
I wouldn’t say “absolutes.” I would say “flying leaps of illogic.”
Now that Obama has inserted himself squarely in the national discussion about the case, how on earth can Zimmerman expect to get a fair trial if he is charged? There’s also stories that two eyewitnesses claim Zimmerman was jumped and so he acted in self defense. What eyewitness will take the stand to testify to those facts now that the race hustlers have inflamed passions to a pre-riot level?
What a mess. Obama is destroying this country economically by refusing to deal with insane amounts of debt and entitlement spending; Obamacare is designed to fail which will lead to a loss of what little liberty you still have; and now he’s doing everything he can to set race relations in this country back 40-50 years.
It’s impossible to overstate what an unmitigated disaster his presidency is. How his approval ratings can be above 0% is astonishing to me.
I’m all for setting race relations back. Integration hasn’t worked, affirmative action hasn’t worked, race preferences haven’t worked, trillions of taxpayer and private dollars for the war on black poverty and black education haven’t worked, compassion hasn’t worked, none of it works.
There are no successfully run black nations on the face of the earth. It is only from the largesse of successful Eurpoean and new world countries that any of them survive even nominally. Vast corruption, violence, tribal feuds, tribal cleansing, disease, deliberate ignorance and a refusal to progress render those nations completely dependent. Here, we see no successful black-run cities. Every city in this country that is under the control of the black population is a dazzling failure. It has nothing to do with slavery 200 years ago. There are many fine and wonderful individual black people in our society. We all know that. But as a GROUP, meaning the largest bulk of thier population, as the separate, violent, irresponsible, dysfunctional culture they insist on maintaing in our midst and insist we tolerate and pay for, they are an epic failure. They INSIST on failing, and we can’t cure that. The best thing we can do is stop feeding the beast and stand out of the way while evolution runs its course.
The harsh truth is that black America cannot survive without whites. The reverse is hardly true. Why we put up with this nonsense is beyond me.
Farrakhan has threatened “retaliation”? Would he find such rhetoric extreme if applied to the blacks who doused a 13-year-old white boy with gasoline and set him on fire last month in Saint Louis? Oh well, Farrakhan was never about justice or even the most basic human decency. As the line went in that Batman movie, “some people just want to see the world burn”.
I place the blame squarely on the media.
They took film, created a narrative (very similar to one you blogged about, Professor, on the horrid story of the riots in the Jewish neighborhood in NYC years ago, the Crown Heights Riot, I believe it was called – which, as I recall, Al Sharpton was a part of…..) and then the national news made it “viral” 24/7 “news” for their own purposes. Nefarious purposes, IMHO.
The narrative was so simple, so obvious, even the lame spin doctors could easily see it clearly: this crime fits the stereotype of the eeeeevil raaaaacist Deep South who HATE blacks. And, by de-humanizing Zimmerman as a stereotypical “Southern white male”, the rest just falls into place.
Isn’t that what they teach now in journalism school – how to create a narrative and make the facts fit, for the “story” – the spin – is more important than reality and facts.
The strange thing to me is that the Latino community is not speaking out against the hateful racial profiling, the stereotyping, the mis-identification about Zimmerman.
Why are they not speaking out in his defense? Or at least trying to cool the violent tempers being fanned into hot flames of vigilante mob justice, rioting, and violence?
Let me gently chide some of you for continuing the “speculation game”.
Let it be agreed (please?) that we do NOT KNOW.
We do nobody any service by continuing this indulgence in what is essentially faith.
There are several agencies involved in the investigation of this sad incident. Let them do their work.
In the mean time, let us all BACK OFF a notch or two. In the interests of our nation and its harmony, we really don’t need to stir the pot.
Let us encourage our “leaders”…in whatever capacity…as politely and effectively as we may to calm the troubled waters.
Even those they themselves have troubled. Nobody here wants to see more suffering or destruction.
That would be the reasonable and prudent approach. However, you know that these radical, Marxist, race-mongers are going to push this sad episode for all it is worth to advance their power and financial positions.
But, I do think their ability to use these situations has diminished over the past 20 years. The power of the internet has allowed the truth to get out. People increasingly know what these hucksters are doing…
War, you know me.
Some here don’t, but it still surprises me that I get the traction I do when what I say is consonant with Prof. Jacobson’s stuff, and with sound thinking.
We can cite to…and cherish…our many hurts and the many ways and times the race-hustlers of the Collective have essentially lied.
This is shooting fish in a barrel. We have only to cite statistics for our case. We don’t even have to recite the catalog of horrors.
But…at the end of the day…what have we advanced? We know that race has ceased…LONG ago…to be an oppressing factor in the lives of black Americans.
We can see that Obama ELECTS to identify himself as a African more than as white. That shows us something wonderfully telling: there is advantage in being black in America.
So, in the case of Mr. Zimmerman and Mr. Martin, what does all this do, but lead us down the path of fallacy?
Do any of the cases of black on white crime tell us a jot about the guilt or innocence of Mr. Zimmerman? Of course not.
And, while we CAN cherish the wrongs and recite the lies, is that our best course?
Or is our best course to simply, calmly state the truth; we don’t know what happened with Mr. Zimmerman. We give him the presumption of innocence. We believe in our system of justice if it is used dispassionately, and we call on all to dispassionately wait on it to work?
There is no presumption of innocence fit for this discussion because there are no charges even pending. The presumption of innocence is a legal construction for the purpose of trial for a criminal accusation presented by the people. It is devised as a rebuttable presumption for the prosecution to overcome. It is not binding on the public at large. So, of course Zimmerman is innocent, and it isn’t even a “presumption.” Even if Zimmerman was charged, the presumption is only binding on jurors. If people choose to form an opinion based on facts known at any given time, they may do so. They may end up eating their words as more becomes known, but that’s their problem. They may also be dead-on correct.
Yes, the the abundance of black-on-white crime does tell us something about this case. It tells us that there is a bold propensity for blacks to commit crimes against whites and makes it more likely that Zimmerman is telling the truth than if the deceased was a white, Asian or Hispanic kid carrying a bible and his schoolwork while wearing a parka with his pants pulled up. It’s also known, statistically, that blacks commit a disproportionate amount of crime in general, especially violent crime and thefts. Extrapolating a suspicion from that directly about Martin is no different than any other justifiable profiling based in reality, and gives credence to why Zimmerman was watching Martin in the first place. Patterns demonstrate real things, and are drawn from statistics all the time, whether it’s for scientific research based on observations or for law enforcement. If your mailbox was destroyed 10 times, and each time it happened a green pickup was seen 20 feet away, you would not be on the lookout for a red Honda civic. It explains why the Israelis are so good at identifying terrorists as opposed to the politically correct morons running our TSA. The Israelis don’t look for 90 yr. old, pink-haired old ladies using a walker.
You are correct. Zimmerman’s guilt or innocence is yet to be determined. While some reports sound like Zimmerman was justified, there is too much passion to reliably believe in any news report right now.
However, death threats, race-baiting, and mob violence are worthy of strong rebuttal. Sharpton, Lee, Jackson, Farrakhan and others all deserve a vigorous response to their attempt to incite mob violence.
Now that link to the 2 pics of Trayvon when he was 17, with the gold teeth and the pants down low and the hand gestures … are “no longer available”, but the one pic is still available here
So in desperation mode … we see how the left is responding. But when Pelosi told us we had to pass the bill to find out what was in it … the die was already cast I think. We have left behind the rules we thought governed us.
The Trayvon you’ve linked lives in Kentucky. It’s not him. I believe this one — http://www.facebook.com/people/Trayvon-Slimm-Martin/1353307542 — who lives in FL is him.
Posted by: Lorraine | Saturday, March 24, 2012 at 06:19 PM
Midwest Rhino, I share the anguish over having left behind the rule of law. I share that anguish very much. Holder is just one egregious example of so many. It is very, very troubling.
I hope we will remember that no matter what happens with this specific controversy, even if there’s a really good resolution, it can’t SOLVE anything.
“Problems cannot be solved on the level upon which they’re occurring.” Right? Einstein? So the loss of the rule of law has to be addressed at a meta-level.
–Which we can do. We, the American People, can restore our Constitutional rule of law.
I posted this in the Tips section this morning but it fits here too:
This video has statements by a key witness “John” who saw Trayvon beating Zimmerman and who heard Zimmerman screaming “help” contrary to liberal speculation. George Zimmerman followed a suspicious individual, Trayvon Martin through a neighborhood that had suffered 11 recent break ins. Trayvon appeared to be looking around at houses in the rain casing the neighborhood. Trayvon pulled his hoodie over his face and ran after he noticed Zimmerman watching him while he was casing the neighborhood. Zimmerman drove after him, but lost sight. Zimmerman got out of his truck and looked, started walking back to his truck and Trayvon approached him. Zimmerman asked him what he was doing in that neighborhood and Trayvon began violently beating him as opposed to saying he was staying with his father which a reasonable person who hadn’t been burglarizing homes might say. Trayvon was a six foot three 17 year old high school football player, contrary to the child photos the media keeps showing.
Mark Levin weighs in:
Right Scoop: Mark Levin to Obama: Trayvon Martin case is not about you.
First time I heard the question (from the reporter to Obama)
More importantly, how it was framed.
From Obama saying (paraphrase) we need to look at the law, to CNN beating the hell out of the “Stand your Ground” law all day long-
This is about gun control…
And using mob rule to get it done-
And Newt weighs in (and more):
Conservatives with Newt (various videos here, including his viewpoint on the Trayvon Martin case…)
Newt seems to have heard that Zimmerman had made more than 100 calls to the police while acting for the Neighborhood Watch. He may have had some ‘issues’…and he was taking criminal justice classes at a local school. He may have gone way out of bounds in his unofficial job…but then, there had been 11 burglaries in their neighborhood.
No, Zimmerman had made 46 calls to 911 since getting involved eleven years ago. He may have been one of those guys the cops see as a pain but also a help – that’s about four times a year, hardly obsessive for a diligent Watch captain in a neighborhood having increasing crime problems.
The police did know him, though, and his statement, the physical evidence, and the evidence of the only two eyewitnesses obviously satisfied them enough not to make an arrest.
The “loving family” didn’t even call the cops about their missing “kid” for three days. Now that they have a lawyer and the prospect of a payday, hear them wail.
Remember when two black kids set a white kid on fire? I do not recall the President or MSNBC getting too fired up about that…
Treyvon Martin’s death was February 26, the white kid was set on fire on March 4.
Not a peep from Obama, Sharpton, Farrakhan, Jackson, etc. on what was a real and very intentional, horrific racial hate crime.
Probably cause the victim did not look like them.
Yes. We can recite cases ad nauseum, and with perfect truthfulness.
That does not help the situation.
We know the Collective has NO standards, much less a “double standard”.
The point now is to lower the rhetoric, not righteously raise it (which we CAN do).
Step back just a bit.
Nonsense – it would be the height of idiocy to abandon the field to Sharpton, Obama, Farrakhan, et al. They are not going to “lower the rhetoric” and we remain silent at our peril.
Breitbart understood that it’s all about the narrative. The race hustlers and MSM cannot be allowed to control the narrative here.
Yeah…no. Point out where I HINTED we should “abandon” jack-spit.
(See, I’m being calm…for a Scotsman).
e wouldn’t be in this position if we hadn’t stepped back, turned the other cheek and whatever other pacifistic measures we’ve taken too many times already. Like Al-Queada and the Taliban, uncivilized people don’t respond to civil responses. They are bullies and overstep the many privileges and forgiveness they’ve already been given, the main one being white silence at their repeated atrocities. This crap is out of control and just gets worse. At some point, do you quit crawling and begging for “peace” and raising the white flag, and instead turn, be heard….and “felt” if necessary?
Einstein said the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. If that’s true, then you, sir, should rethink your position.
Not so much about the Wisconsin State Fair or Philly flash mobs either…
“We have to think about our… err “We” fellow citizens with whom we share a community.
It’s 53 degrees & overcast and I will be taking my Golden Retriever out for a walk now. Normally I would wear a hooded sweatshirt – I’ll have to wear something else, lest some neighbors think I’m making a political statement.
Ever sit back and wonder why you feel compelled to defend Zimmerman?
A man you don’t know-
No idea who, or what he is..
A man that stalked, shot, and killed a young man-without cause-as they tell it.
Never, would any rational, moral person even try to justify such a horrendous event.
Yet, we feel inclined.
Because we’ve been lied to.
We’ve been included.
We’ve become accessories…to a murder.
We all want Sandra Flucke to chose between birth control and food..
We all want dirty air and water…people to die quickly
We all want Jim Crow, and non-whites deported.
No, we feel inclined to defend Zimmerman because they say we areZimmerman.
(Pointy, white)hoody’s and all…..just like they showed on MSNBC this morning-
Huh? That made less than no sense.
I’m not sure what you’re saying.
Yea, somewhat convoluted and meandering..
My point is rather simple-
Ah–I’ll just put down the shovel, and quit digging.
They said that if I voted for John McCain that there would be lynchings involving Blacks … and they we’re right.
I seem to recall that the Aryan Nation got sued into non-existence when their hate filled incitements left some people injured.
I certainly hope no illegal acts harm Mr. Zimmerman, or his family, but should anything untoward happen to him I do hope that the New Black Panthers and Spike Lee get taken for every penny they have.
Civility now indeed.
I’m wondering if President Obama will do any “soul searching” of his own self when this case comes back “self defense.”
Comrade downgrade doesn’t have a soul to search.
Living near Sanford, I still remember the case in December 2010, where the Sanford police did not arrest the son of a cop who punched out a homeless man. Only weeks later, after the press started hounding them, did they finally act. http://www.wftv.com/news/news/sanford-cops-son-arrested-after-2007-shooting/nFCpc/
Whether Zimmerman is guilty or not, there seems to be pattern with the Sanford police to let certain people off the hook. I don’t know if it is racist or just protecting their own, but it is a problem. They should have arrested Zimmerman and then let the courts figure out the truth.
Why should they arrest him if the evidence showed he committed no crime?
Two instances over two years apart, especially when the second, current incident has not been shown to be an example of Sanford PD malfeasance, does not a pattern make.
This doesn’t prove the Sanford PD is not corrupt, but it isn’t established by asserting a dubious ‘pattern’.
With respect, this is the sort of thing that promulgates rushes to errant judgements.
Wait for the evidences.
Obama has framed the case in racial terms…
Another shovel ready job.
And Dan Riehl adds more to the story:
Why was Trayvon Martin photo altered?
This is being framed in racial terms because the intent is to motivate black voters for 2012. Nothing else is working. This might. Nothing like righteous anger to get out the vote. The media and Democrats have no shame and would destroy the country to win the next election. Don’t look for it to end soon.
I would have given you a thumbs up… teaches me to read the comments before posting.
I was wondering why CNN runs this “all the time”!
Cynical me… stir up racial hatred before the election to get out the vote for Dems?
see above comment regarding CNN!
With Holder the head of the DOJ, the Black Panthers have no fear.
When will President Obama condemn Aryeh Sandler’s killer?
The double standard is glaring. Let’s start calling him on it.
They know that manipulating perception can influence the realization of their preferred reality. Unfortunately, when this tactic is pursued over an extended period of time, it predisposes an individual to an enduring prejudice. There is a catch-22 in employing this tactic. If they ever authentically opposed prejudice and its realization in bias, they have since become trapped by their own carefully laid plans. That’s a shame; but, as they say, power corrupts, and with good reason.
That said, Zimmerman is innocent until proven guilty. The alternative is steeped in prejudice and tyranny. Left-wing ideologues are predisposed to these character flaws and should be careful to not become defined by them.
The Democrats want so badly for some violence to break out…..it will give Obama cover for his failed presidency and will also allow for usurpation of power thru some sort of posse comitatus act, followed by suspending the November elections and the UN stepping in to control the US. If we aren’t baited into it, the “occupy” movement is willing to provide the violence needed. Let it happen I say and then we have just cause for violence. I’m prepared to “bring it”, but only when the time is right. It will indeed be a “long, hot summer”.
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Saturday Night Card Game (What happens when Zimmerman is found “guilty”?)
All hell breaks loose.
Maybe you have the responses backwards: ‘not guilty’: All hell breaks loose.
‘guilty’: Not much.
or ‘guilty’: All hell breaks loose.
The Left will be outraged either way. That’s how they roll.
It is sad for me to see that many who are rushing to lynch Zimmerman are themselves standing in the shadows of the gallows, hiding their own racism.
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One interesting aspect of all of this is, the most likely places to riot and burn themselves down over this are LA, Detroit, and DC.
One of Obama’s aides needs to give him a note card with the following words written on it and remind him to read it when asked about situations like this.:
The loss of any innocent life is a tragedy. I will give the APPROPRIATE police the time and cooperation necessary to investigate to determine if someone is to blame. I will allow the justice system to determine guilt or innocence without inserting my uniformed emotional opinion and pandering for some perceived political advantage.
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