A Jarring Perspective on the Migrant Crisis
How quickly things can change
Posted under the hashtag #SaveSyriasChildren, this video filmed from the perspective of a little girl illustrates how quickly life can change.
The video was published over a year ago but is receiving renewed interest due to the fact that the flood of refugees from ISIS-torn areas has become a daily headline fixture.
Friday, Amy provided an update on the increasingly dire situation:
Thousands of asylum seekers have flooded Hungary’s borders, seeking safe passage into western Europe and away from crises in places like Syria, Eritrea, and Somalia. This mass migration, however, has caused its own crisis. The European Union wasn’t ready for such a rapid and intense saturation of migrants, and the continent experienced a split with regards to how the influx should be handled. Some western countries, led by Germany and France, encouraged their neighbors to relax their policies and expand provisions for migrants; Hungary, however, was one of a handful of countries that held to its strict policies governing asylum.
All that changed on Friday, when the Hungarian government backed down on its refusal to move migrants within its borders, and began busing thousands of people to the Austrian border.
From WaPo:
The late-night offer came after days of efforts to repel migrants fleeing war and poverty who have streamed into Hungary in a bid to reach Western Europe, where they hope to begin new lives. Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban had painted his hard-line approach against the mostly Muslim asylum-seekers as a stand to preserve Europe as a Christian continent.
But after a column of migrants more than a mile long streamed onto Hungary’s main highway to Austria, it appeared that authorities felt they had no alternative but to pass the challenge to their neighbor, another country that has been ambivalent about the influx.
By early Saturday morning, the first asylum seekers began to walk across the border into Austria after having been dropped off by buses on the Hungarian side. The buses had picked people up at Budapest’s main train station. After initial hesitation, the crowds began to climb on board, relieved to be en route out of Hungary.
At Keleti train station in Budapest, where thousands of migrants had camped out for nearly a week, the central plaza was nearly empty on Saturday morning except for a maintenance crew hosing down the site.
I first viewed this video days ago. That it’s still rattling around in the front of my mind is why I’m sharing it with you. It left a mark.
Regardless of how bad things might seem, we are abundantly fortunate that this is not our reality. But for the grace of God go I…
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Just so you don’t confuse this with news. This is propaganda.
Remember also that it’s been about a year since the Daesh first started discussing sending a wave of fighters with their “immigrants” to Europe, for the purpose of swamping Europe’s system, and taking over.
So somebody had this in the can and ready.
Here. The Daesh.
http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/219912.php
You read sources, but you don’t analyze them.
Don’t read according to plans seen by Quilliam, but read according to documents forged by the FSB
How comes it to be that they are the only who obtained these top secret jihadi plans? Because this is not some announcement some jihadsts made, but leaked documents.
Don’t read according to plans seen by Quilliam, but read written by an Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (Isil) propagandist but read purportedly written by an Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (Isil) propagandist
This document (and apparently also some supporting documents) just happens to fall into their hands of a non-governmental group??
Or is the story that they are not the only ones but the government of the UK is ignoring it? And keeping it secret to the point not telling anyone to watch out for jihadists?
They are really naive not to suspect forgery. Especially since such a proposal does not make sense, and has never been tried. (And you would know if such a scheme had actually been attempted)
It hasn’t been attempted because it does not make sense for a jihadist group to do this, and it wouldn’t work.
This is something that can sound plausible to someone who doesn’t think things through, or doesn’t think about how this would work in real life.
Never once, anywhere, has anything like this ever been done.
It hasn’t been attempted because it does not make sense for a jihadist group to do this, and it wouldn’t work.
This is something that can sound plausible to someone who doesn’t think things through, or doesn’t think about how this would work in real life.
Never once, anywhere, has anything like this ever been done.
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Like flying planes into skyscrapers, it’s never been done before, it’ll never work, they’ll never do something like that.
Yep, it’s never happened, right up until it does happen.
The second “don’t read” wasn’t edited properly.
That should have been:
Maybe this was said to be written by a propagandist, because that way the fact that it was a forgery would not be apparent if it became clear this didn’t happen, and the credibility of their source would be maintained.
It is not the practice of jihadists to try doing things this way. (and this is not the first opportunity that arose to get into Europe illegally, so if it were the practice they would have done it. Crossinbg illegally from Africa or Turkey into Europe has been going on for some time. They wouldn’t have to wait for boats from Libya, and large numbers.
I suppose the idea here is that he larger number would give you the idea that the idea of the jihadists would b that they could ot avoid being screened, but that with so many people to deall with, officials would not be able to tell them apart from everyone else, and that that would be their hope of getting them in.
But they always keep tight control of their members, especially low ranking members. Sending them on a boat mixed in with other people is not a way to keep control of them. Sending them by a means whereby they will be interrrogated as to their history by officials is not away to maintain secrecy.
Some would get caught, some by the other passsengers – some would voluntarily defect.
The terror plans would become known, and, even more, the general fact that this was being planned would become known because people would have been caught and arrested.
Terror is not happening in Europe on such a scale that they can afford to half or more of their terror plots smashed.
This was the not the case in Iraq. Something like this was tried after the invasion of Iraq. There was smuggling of jihadists across the Syrian border to Iraq by the Assad regime before 2011, and, while this could not be stopped, it also could not avoid being detected. They were losing, let’s say, 50% of the people they were sending over. Even if you don’t say 50%, say 20%. They were arrested and imprisoned. Also, I think the jihadists were not mixed in with ordinary people and left unminded.
Now again, if a jihadist group is willing and able to tolerate that kind of a loss, and is willing to tolerate the country knowing this is going on, and is willing to tolerate a significant fraction of tehir plots being foiled, you could see it.
They’d need to have an established group already, and maybe territory they control for this to be of any use, and smuggle them in as a 100% jihadi group with a clear and secret destination.
Another example where people who had never been in the country weer sent to commit acts of terror is the Mumbai raod of November 2008.
But consider:
When Pakistan sent people to Mumbai to commit acts of terror:
1) They were given detailed instructions.
2) They maintained cell phone contact.
3) It was very important that nobody know they were coming – they did not cross over in the guise of defectors or tourists or anything else like that. They hijacked a boat and later killed the crew. They did not pass any kind of passport control. (The refugees eventually do)
So, even supposing they would try including jihadists with the other people, some jihadists would by this time be detected – and the number of Syrian or Iraqi jihadists who entered Europe this way so far, is apparently ZERO.
You can therefore state for a virtual certainty that THIS HAS NOT HAPPENED and if this were to happen we would know very soon, because a significant fraction of the jihadists would be detected.
Rather this story is spread by people who would like to increase the crackdown on migration, and maintain a generalized European hostility toward Moslems.
This is an attempt to benefit one or more of the following:
1) Criminal groups, who can then charge higher prices
2 Russia, which seeks to convince Europe that they need to be allies against Islamcists, and to prevent any Euroepan alliances with anybody in the Arab world, so Russia can have the field all to itself.
Remember, you have to be pretty stupid to be a suicidal jihadist in the first place.
I might mention also that people who have never been in a country, and don’t speak the language, are not very effective secret agents or terrorists. This was not a big problem for Arab jihadists sent to Iraq. This was not a problem on the Mumbai raid because some other people had been there (including David Headley, son of a Pakistani father and American mother who changed his name to avoid scrutiny) and because they were given detailed instructions both before they started and during the attack.
What the terrorist groups invariably look for is people who can pass passport control with genuine passports.
Correct – this Trojan Horse invasion has been planned by ISIS for years.
These people are not really refugees, they are invaders – demanding, disrespectful, racist, destructive, aggressive, violent.
African migrants destroy Southern Italy – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fX73ggsMNEI
Fighting for ISIS last year, posing as refugees this year:
http://www.weaselzippers.us/233595-remember-this-guy-last-year-with-isis-this-year-a-refugee/#comment-2239303420
Polish tourist meets some of them: “I saw an elderly Italian woman in a car that was surrounded by the immigrants. They pulled her by the hair out of the car and wanted to use it to go to Germany. They tried to topple the bus i was in. They threw feces at us, banging on the door for the driver to open it, spat on the glass. My question is- for what purpose? How do they want to assimilate in Germany?
For a moment, i felt like in a warzone. I really feel sorry for these people, but if they would reach Poland – I do not think they would receive any understanding from us.
We spent three hours on the border, but failed to get through. The whole group was later transported back to Italy by the police. The bus is butchered, feces smeared, scratched, broken windows. And this is supposed to be an idea for the demographics? These big powerful hordes?
Among them there were almost no women and children – the vast majority was aggressive young men….A car with humanitarian aid came. Food and water. They just toppled it and stole everything.” https://pl-pl.facebook.com/kamil.bulonis/posts/10153602955940818?fref=nf
Elderly holocaust couple victimized: “As soon as Samuel opened the door, the nightmare began. Two men dressed in black barged into the apartment and started severely beating the couple.
The assailants threw the couple on the floor, kicked them repeatedly and shouted: “Dirty Jews – from now on your property is ours.”
After tying up the badly injured couple, the thieves ripped Diana’s jewelry off her body. At gunpoint, they forced the couple to tell them where the rest of the valuables in the apartment were located.
Samuel was blinded in the assault and suffered a broken femur. Both he and Diana, who were living independently before the attack, are now confined to wheelchairs at a rehabilitation center in Amsterdam.”
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/09/elderly-holocaust-survivors-brutally-beaten-and-robbed-by-arabs-in-holland/
This one will give you chills – Hordes of invaders in action – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Foap0KN1tCs
Planned Trojan horse invasion has been going on for years on smaller scale – http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/isis-terrorists-disguised-refugees-trojan-horse-plot-against-europe-1468701
So maybe Europe could offer temporary (temporary) asylum status to mothers & children while their menfolk and single women stay home and fight for their countries?
I mean, think about WWII. What would have happened if all of Britain’s fighting-age men just decamped with their families and ran away to whichever country was offering the best welfare entitlements?
These are obviously a different breed of people than the Queen Mother, who so famously declared after the palace was bombed, “The children will not leave unless I do. I shall not leave unless their father does, and the king will not leave the country in any circumstances, whatever.”
“Temporary” has a way of sticking around a long, long time.
“who have streamed into Hungary in a bid to reach Western Europe, where they hope to begin new lives.”
Rather, where they expect to get free stuff and to demand that western society adapt to their theocratic demands.
Could be the Blitz.
The little boy dead on the beach is tragic, but was likely propaganda as well, with cameras at the ready. That father had a job, left to get his teeth fixed, perhaps because Europe has free stuff, like US.
http://www.weaselzippers.us/233627-media-created-story-behind-aylan-kurdi-little-boy-on-beach-has-some-falsehoods/
The way to help these nations is in their own country, not by turning our country (or all of Europe) into “a third world hellhole” as Coulter puts it.
When the Titanic went down, the men saved the women and children first. Not with this crowd.
The men all survive and the vulnerable all die. How poetic.
Facts:
1. The sister of the father lives in Vancouver, Canada
2. The sister has been trying to get Canada to give the father and his family an entry visa while being willing to guarantee the family support
3. The sister has her own business in Canada
4. Canada refused to give the family an entry visa
5. After exhausting all appeals to Canada, the father put his wife and two boys on a boat to try and reach Greece.
6. From Greece, the family wanted to reach western Europe from where they could qualify for political asylum
7. With political asylum the family could then re-apply for an entry visa to Canada.
8. Then came the boating accident. And the mother and both boys drowned. They are Kurds, from Kobane in Syria and the family are now buried in Kobane
So, when you toddle out to spout out fiction about the father’s teeth, know that you are a fountain of ignorance and hate. Own your stupidity now.
Finally,
9. Blame Canada.
Is that really a “fact”?
“The family of two Syrian toddlers who drowned as they tried to reach Greece had not yet applied to enter Canada, the extended family said on Thursday, despite earlier reports that their refugee application had been rejected.”
As with much propaganda, actual “facts” seem to be pretty light on the ground.
The photo of the little boy on the beach is not realistic according to forensic pathology of drowning victims. There are a good many holes in the story told by the father:
http://pamelageller.com/2015/09/story-told-by-father-of-drowned-toddler-aylan-kurdi-is-full-of-holes.html/
The term ‘Pallywood’ comes to mind.
know that you are a fountain of ignorance and hate
Bugger off, bigot.
The Kurdi family, who have gotten the most press, is Kurdish – which makes their story somewhat different from most of the other prospective immigrants.
Syrian Kurds have had trouble gaining citizenship in Syria and Kurds have been discriminated against in Turdky, both of which likely influenced this family’s ability to gain a visa. The family came from Kobane, which was partially destroyed by ISIS, despite heavy resistance by Kurdish forces. This is unlike many of the Arab areas that have fallen to ISIS with no resistance. Kurds are also targeted for persecution because of their ethnicity, unlike the Syrian Arabs.
These aspects puts the plight of families like the Kurdi family on a different moral level than most of the Arab Muslim refugees.
* Turkey
I don’t know, Turdkey sounds about right.
When? Wasn’t that in late 2014?
Dad and his family fled over three years ago. They were already in Turkey by that point.
If there were some brave Kurds there in Kobane who valiantly tried to fight off ISIS last year, Dad wasn’t one of them. He’d already taken off for greener pastures.
I said “likely propaganda” and gave the link. You spouted “facts” with no evidence.
The other “fact” I have that this is propaganda is how that one photo makes it around the world, with an attached narrative. It is still “tragic” about the boy, as I said. Your story line doesn’t change one bit that the photo is used for propaganda.
Did he have a visa to go to Greece? Just because people want to enter a country does not give them a civic right. But I appreciate your hateful rhetoric for any that don’t agree with flooding our country with every refugee that “just wants a better life”. The father chose to take the risk … what were his real conditions back home? And does it matter as regards refugee policy, and whether this picture was used as propaganda?
I read that they were not able to get refugess status in Turkey, which was necessary for the Canadian application, and they were not abe to get aan exit visa from Turkey.
I also read that (at the start of the war?) the father was not living in Kobani, but he returned there, which sounds like he might have been in another part of Syria. But maybe he was in Turkey. And maybe he even earlier had claimed Turkish citizenship, and maybe even had to claim it to get or stay out of Syria – just a thought. We may not be getting the full story, but the fact remains that going by dinghy to Greece seemed to be the way out of a Catch-22.
It’s not clear whether he’d giiven up on going to Canada, or if he thought, or his sister thought anyway, that being a registered refugee in the EU would eliminate Turkish bureaucratic obstacles.
There apparently are a lot of obstacles in leaving the country put in place by Turkey for Kurds, maybe because Turkey doesn’t want Kurds to go to third countries, where they might argue for Kurdish independence, but that’s not clear..
Kobani is the city that was fought over by Kurdish forces and ISIS and eventually got out of their hands, or recovered. The grandfather said 11 member of the family were killed by ISIS. For now, the city is free of ISIS but mostly ruined.
Last I heard, Canada’s New Democratic Party (read: Bernie Sanders-style socialists) tried to hang the death of this 3 year old child around the neck of conservative Prime Minister, Stephen Harper. And, much of the story was completely made up.
A brother of the father did apply to Canada, made uncorrected mistakes on his application, and was rejected. i.e. I heard the father never made an application on behalf of himself and his family.
I’m pretty aghast that this tragedy, caused in no small part by Turkey’s giving the Kurds a hard time, was used as a political missile against a legitimate and successful political leader of a pretty peaceful, upstanding nation.
Since Putin is now militarily backing Bashir Assad in Syria
why isn’t Russia the natural destination for a million refugees?
Russia’s role is to address the problem at its source and stabilize the country, not shift and ignore the problem through the creation of an immigration quagmire. They have no intention to aid the migration of a minority, only to leave behind the majority, or to create an unoccupied wasteland.
The solution to the humanitarian crisis created through premature evacuation and sponsorship of tribal conflicts (e.g. “Arab Spring”), is to control the population, negotiate between the factions, and perhaps engage in comprehensive national reconstruction.
We have passed the point of no return. Proponents of mass emigration merely want to shift the problem only to recreate it in another communities or through the creation of urban ghettos. Also, liberal immigration policies have served to obscure and obfuscate the consequences of abortion/planning policy, which is objectively an unprecedented violation of human rights.
What refugee flees *to* Russia…? Just saying.
2 million Ukrainian nationals live in Russia today; about half of them are refugees from Donbass, the rest are laborers and draft dodgers.
You have to command Russia on choosing its refugees carefully; those are basically Russian people speaking Russian language and sharing their mentality.
EU, on the other hand, tightened criteria for Ukrainian entry visas. If they, Euros, so feel the need to feel sorry for some refugees, why not to take the real ones from Ukraine? They are right next door and will assimilate better.
…We were dumb enough to take Russia’s Chechens.
But for the grace of God go I…
That glib statement is accurate only if you ascribe the grace of God as the cause of the actions of millions of Americans over hundreds of years whose hard work and sacrifice built our once-strong society.
I found these alternative viewpoints rather compelling–and, at a minimum, food for thought:
http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2015/09/06/what-do-bob-geldorf-samantha-power-joseph-kony-jeh-johnson-and-charles-rivkin-have-in-common/
http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2015/09/06/raging-horror-confirmed-at-austria-italy-border-mid-east-muslims-refugees-go-on-rampage/
It was reported in February that ISIS was planning to send 500,000 ‘migrants’ to Europe (the story said they’d come from Libya, not Syria). Mixed in with the refugees would be militant extremists disguised as refugees.
The media wants to show videos of a little girl and ignore the tens of thousands of soldier aged young men invading Europe.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2958517/The-Mediterranean-sea-chaos-Gaddafi-s-chilling-prophecy-interview-ISIS-threatens-send-500-000-migrants-Europe-psychological-weapon-bombed.html
It’s the Cloward-Piven plan gone global. Overwhelm the (west’s) system. Make them live up to all those new deal, square deal, Great Society socialist promises … and now do it for the whole world.
It’s like Butch and Sundance looking back from a cliff, at the trackers following them. “Who are those guys”, that so fervently seek our destruction?
Hmm, let me sum this up, “But, but, but…it’s for the children…”
How many idiot political decisions are made, sold by this very same line?
(Of course, the strategy obviously still works, even on those who are-purportedly-conservative. So what the heck do I know?)
I agree that there is plenty of bleeding heart propaganda going around about these migrants and illegal immigrants- Geraldo Rivera-like propaganda.
Even Pope Francis is getting in on the act by tweeting that local church communities should take in these fleeing people.
These people are fleeing places and regimes that have never known God or have renounced God or worship a false God. And now they are seeking to enter the spiritual wasteland of greater Europe.
There is major spiritual warfare going on, Pope Francis, and you are just Pope-ing along with Michelle Obama-like tweets.
A note to El Pope Francis: Jesus said “sell all you have” (e.g., The Vatican and all its treasures) and ‘you feed them”.
Pope, you feed the migrants and take them in. Stop pushing migrants off onto others. Do what you want others to do. You are a socialist. Redistribute the Vatican’s wealth.
I don’t know.
We tried, but they said,
“Bush lied and people died.”
Making the bad guys.
It is obviously propaganda. How convenient that someone did a small video each day of a perfect child’s life who happens to look Caucasian and then how the symbolism (cake and birthday) post this disruption.
If this were a true representation, the child would be preparing for her marriage to an older Islamic man with at least one other wife and all of the women would not be running around dressed in Western clothes.
You can contrast this with the actual pictures of who is coming across the borders and it is 90% young men without any families. It is time to stop listening to liars and tell them if they need to migrate so badly then why are they not going to Saudi Arabia and etc.
They’re just actors. They’ve been pinged for this sort of stylized emotional blackmail before. Earlier today, Glenn Reynolds referred to “weaponized empathy.” I can’t really disagree.
This is presented as a human interest story, but it is propaganda swallowed by a writer and regurgitated for our consumption.
History has shown that islam has expanded as much by immigration as by the sword. Studies have shown that once a population becomes 5% muslim you are having problems. Once it hits 10% you are in deep trouble. Muslim clerics in Egypt have often bragged that islam will take over the world with the wombs of their women. One of the reasons that the Gulf oil nations are not taking any of these refugees is that they know Europe will take them and this further spreads islam through out the world, an important islamic goal. Europe already has massive problems with its muslims. It will only get worse.
Political and social opportunism created the crisis in the Middle East, Africa, and Eurasia. Political and social opportunism will propagate the crisis. The problems created need to be resolved at the source. It is depraved to help a minority and leave behind the majority, or to create an unoccupied wasteland. It is depraved to engage in policies that exchange one life for another.
Bush created a semi-stable state. Obama created an opening and a humanitarian crisis, then expanded the conflicts across three continents, and the proposed solution is to expand it globally.
Completely left out of any discussion is the question “Why Western Europe instead of some other Muslim country?”
No one in our dinosaur media wants to mention that the affluent Muslim nations DO NOT TAKE IN REFUGEES.
Yeah, they build their own manmade islands for billionaire sheikhs; they build the tallest skyscrapers on the planet… and when there’s a crisis, they push the refugees to the west.
Still think it’s not part of a plan, people?
I started writing this before I read you post, RKae, but here goes, just to reinforce it. I understand that people in Syria, and elsewhere, need to flee ISIL, but where should they go? It seems they could go to Jordan, Lebanon, Saudia Arabia, Afghanistan, Oman, UAE, Iran, Pakistan, Egypt, Libya, Tunisia, Morocco, Djibouti, Kuwait, Mali, Niger, etc. Why do they have to go to Europe or America?
Yes, assuming that they cannot stay, create a resistance, and remake their country.
But why should we assume that?
More reason than ever for the USA to have STRONG border control – walls, drones, barbed wire, soldiers included.
“Walls, drones, barbed wire” – Don’t forget the dogs – guard, tracking and tunnel dogs – Dobermans, German Shepherds, Rottweilers, Belgian Malinois, Labrador Retrievers, Blood, Basset, Blue Ticks, Red Bone, Coon and Beagle hounds, Jack Russell Terriers.
http://www.dogsforlawenforcement.org/police-canines-in-history.html
http://www.uswardogs.org/war-dog-history/types-war-dogs/
Germany has announced it will allow 800,000 refugees to enter, presumably to stay. Greece also has said it will accept refugees, other Euro countries too, including the UK. All admirable, yet do these countries understand the impact upon their societies? Obama has said he wants refugees admitted here. A recent report said that there are now over 3-million Muslims admitted, whether in addition to the number here previous to 2008, not clear to me.
At the end of WWII, we admitted a number of refugees, displaced peoples we called them, from the Baltic States, Ukraine, other Euro countries including Germany itself. Part of Minneapolis had large populations of Ukrainians and scatted pockets from the Baltic States and Germans. We claimed to examine these displaced peoples and rejected those found to have Nazi, or Communistic, ties but allowed even German War Veterans as long as they weren’t of the prohibited class. By now, most of those original DP enclaves have been scattered throughout the country.
Still, for me, the question is whether we’re prepared to allow Muslim enclaves to exist or will we strongly encourage these new DPs to assimilate and become part of our vaunted melting pot? If Muslims will assimilate, then for me, they’re being here would not be an issue. We’ve done reasonably well assimilating Vietnamese, Japanese, even Chinese peoples, less well to date regarding Somalis and Hmong, but time will tell on that. Where we’ve done poorly is in enclaves like Dearborn, MI, a city apart in many ways.
Obama most likely will want these new DPs to setup their enclaves, a country within a country, and become separate from our society, except for whatever social services we provide them, at our cost.
A modern version of the film ‘Potemkin’