Erick Erickson Uninvites Donald Trump from RedState Gathering
“A bridge too far”
During an interview with CNN Friday night, GOP front-runner Donald Trump indicated he was less than impressed with Fox News host Megyn Kelly. Kelly was one of a panel of debate moderators in the first Republican Presidential Primary debate hosted by Fox News Thursday night.
From CNN:
In an interview with Don Lemon on “CNN Tonight,” Trump on Friday accused Fox of asking “vicious,” unfair questions at the debate and called Kelly “overrated.”
Kelly had pressed Trump about misogynistic, sexist comments in his past.
On CNN, Trump called the questions “ridiculous,” called her “off-base,” and said, “You could see there was blood coming out of her eyes. Blood coming out of her wherever.”
Trump told Lemon that he didn’t know whether he’d participate in a future Fox debate. “I might not, to be honest,” he said. “I didn’t think they were fair.”
Earlier in the day, Trump had blasted Kelly on Twitter and wrote that Fox News “should be ashamed.”
One of many GOP presidential candidates attending RedState Gathering, Trump was scheduled to speak at a reception Saturday night. After the remarks made on CNN, Erick Erickson of RedState rescinded Trumps invitation.
I have rescinded my invitation to Mr.Trump. While I have tried to give him great latitude, his remark about Megyn Kelly was a bridge too far
— Erick Erickson (@EWErickson) August 8, 2015
Just for the record, the RedState Gathering was sold out long before we even announced Donald Trump would be coming.
— Erick Erickson (@EWErickson) August 8, 2015
And then invited Megyn Kelly to fill the empty speaking slot.
I have invited @MegynKelly to attend tomorrow night’s RedState Gathering event in place of Donald Trump.
— Erick Erickson (@EWErickson) August 8, 2015
Posting on RedState late Friday night, Erickson wrote:
I have tried to give a great deal of latitude to Donald Trump in his run for the Presidency.
He is not a professional politician and is known for being a blunt talker. He connects with so much of the anger in the Republican base and is not afraid to be outspoken on a lot of issues. But there are even lines blunt talkers and unprofessional politicians should not cross.
Decency is one of those lines.
As much as I do personally like Donald Trump, his comment about Megyn Kelly on CNN is a bridge too far for me.
In a CNN interview, Mr. Trump said of Megyn Kelly, “You could see there was blood coming out of her eyes. Blood coming out of her wherever.”
It was not the “blood coming out of her eyes” part that was the problem.
I think there is no way to otherwise interpret Mr. Trump’s comment. In an attempted clarification, Mr. Trump’s team tells me he meant “whatever”, not “wherever.”
…I called Mr. Trump’s campaign manager and apologized and told him I felt bad for Mr. Trump because he has gotten so much sh*t from so many people and the party itself wasn’t treating the guy at the front of the pack as legitimate.
I think that is true. And I’ve been very sympathetic to Donald Trump because so many of the people who have led the party astray refuse to even treat him as a legitimate candidate.
But I also think that while Mr. Trump resonates with a lot of people with his bluntness, including me to a degree, there are just real lines of decency a person running for President should not trust.
His comment was inappropriate. It is unfortunate to have to disinvite him. But I just don’t want someone on stage who gets a hostile question from a lady and his first inclination is to imply it was hormonal. It just was wrong.
Trump’s campaign manager lashed out at Erickson accusing him of exerting political correctness in his decision-making:
Trump’s campaign said in a statement that Erickson’s decision was “another example of weakness through being politically correct. For all the people who were looking forward to Mr. Trump coming, we will miss you. Blame Erick Erickson, your weak and pathetic leader. We’ll now be doing another campaign stop at another location.”
To which Erickson responded:
Just to be clear, “weak” and “pathetic” is blaming a tough question on hormones.
— Erick Erickson (@EWErickson) August 8, 2015
Erickson told the Washington Post, “I don’t like that I have to disinvite him. But there are bounds of what’s acceptable in our discourse and they’re not different for you, or me, or someone else. I’m not going to have a guy on stage with my wife and daughter in the crowd who thinks a tough question from a woman is because of hormones.”
But this is not the first time Erickson has taken a stand against those who’ve crossed a line.
Reminder: @EWErickson banned birthers from RedState many years ago. The modern version of Buckley purging Birchers. http://t.co/uQ4sCFc1Dx
— daveweigel (@daveweigel) August 8, 2015
UPDATE (by WAJ):
New Trump statement: "Only a deviant would think anything else." pic.twitter.com/iCwb3YaTHT
— Zeke Miller (@ZekeJMiller) August 8, 2015
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Call me paranoid, but Trump is good friends with the Clintons and the Clintons are well know for manipulation and deal making as well as selling power or a price, so is it too strange to think that Bill may have made a deal with Trump to run as a conservative in order to split the Republican ticket and allow Hillary to win? Trump would certainly revel in the attention he would get running for president and it would suit his ego for if he were to accomplish such an act then he would unquestionably be known as the absolute greatest deal maker of all time. Also, has anyone noticed how sympathetic the liberal press is to Trump instead of attacking him as they do all other Republican candidates? Call me paranoid, but something just is not quite right about all of this.
Given the way the country and world have churned of late, all tin foil hats are off, and your theory makes perfect sense.
But, what if Hillary doesn’t run?
What if her scandals and criminality actually take her out of the running?
She’s running.
The scandals, corruption and criminality don’t matter. They’re all being ignored by MSM, so there will be enough low info voters.
While I’m not (yet) prepared to believe Trump is on Hill’s payroll, I am concerned that the same dynamic that gave us WJC may end up giving us HRC. And it makes me sick.
Letting the third party threat hang over the primary process is a two-edged sword. Understandable on his part given his ego, but I hope (pray) it is nothing more than a currently-convenient political ploy.
As for the misogyny question, his response deflected it adequately if not artfully. Had he not gone nuts with Don Lemon attacking Kelly & Fox, we probably wouldn’t be having this conversation. That was not very politically astute on Trump’s part – he needs them to at least be neutral going forward, assuming he’s really serious about winning the nomination. Now he’s just fed more raw meat to the narrative. Totally unnecessary on his part.
If it’s Hillary vs Jeb!
COUNT ME OUT.
(YOU would enable EITHER of those dangerous jerks? Really?!?)
I’m voting Third Party or write-in…
….depending who’s up for it.
While I sympathize with you, given that choice, please recall that elections have consequences. I cite Sotomayor and Kagan as evidence.
That’s not to mention both Houses. We would be better off with Jeb than Hillary; at least the former would be expected to work with Republicans.
You are as delusional as you are forgetful.
REMEMBER THOSE “conservative” SCOTUS judges who voted for OCare? And so on and so forth?!?
PTUI!
CORRECTION:
“Conservative” SCOTUS judges chosen by “Republican” Presidents.
PTUI!!!
Yes, judges appointed by GOP Presidents disappoint at least one third of the time.
BUT those appointed by Democrats never stray from the party line.
An average of 100 new federal judges at all levels are appointed to lifetime terms every year. Obama has seated over 600 so far, and they will be affecting our laws for half a century.
– –
I hate having to choose “the lesser of two evils.” But I realize the alternative is the GREATER evil.
I suppose I too am paranoid as I have entertained the very same thoughts regarding an intentional run by Trump that will end up as third party, thus ensuring that Hillary or some other liberal-progressive wins the White House. I can’t help thinking back to Trump admitting during the debate that he gives to politicians in order to gain favors. He is not above the quid pro quo of the plutocracy.
You want paranoid, maybe it’s Erickson on Clinton’s payroll, trying to drive Trump out of the Republican camp to run as an independent. I’m not saying that’s true but it makes more sense than Trump working for Clinton.
I’ve written here a few times about a return to chivalry being a thing that would solve a lot of problems in society. In connection with that, I’ve said that chivalry is not simply a code imposed on gentlemen, but that it applies to ladies as well. It is a system of mutual respect, but it starts with self-respect.
I raised my sons and daughters according to that idea. My boys love and respect women. My daughters love and respect men, and they all seem to respect themselves, according to how they live their lives.
Now, I personally have lived a good part of my life in the company of rough, vulgar men, and cannot say none of that has rubbed off me. But I can say that very little of it did.
I can say that I would not set an example for my sons by calling any woman in public the names that Trump seems to think are cute…and worse…effective.
Referring to Megyn Kelly as a “bimbo” in a tweet is not what a strong man would do. It isn’t just ungentlemanly, it’s stupid. Kelly is a very accomplished young lady, whatever you think of her questioning of Trump.
I agree with Erikson.
I’ll second your comments. Call it chivalry, courtesy, charity, we are all called to the better side. Men must set a standard, especially in their treatment of women, and dads for sons, especially in how they treat their wives. This is dying in our society.
The Donald could have found many ways to respond, but he chose to be rude. He proved Megyn’s point, too. I hope he apologizes. That would be the chivalrous thing to do.
Gentlemanly behavior, respect for others, huh? You’re such a lying hypocrite.
Didn’t you recently refer here to Annise Parker as ‘Anus Porker?’ And how many sexist ungentlemanly names have you called Hillary Clinton in your posts? Like ‘Old corrupt, brain damaged lying witch,’ and ‘Old Walleye,’ plus too numerous to list other disparaging remarks about her age and appearance. Same for Nancy Pelosi. And there’s undoubtedly other similar insults from you directed at women whose views contradict your own narrow focus.
And of course, that goes for male posters on this site, and elsewhere. You’re an ethical fraud when it comes to advising courteousness to others with different view. The obverse of Shakespeare’s admonition to be true to thine own self, and thereby not be false to others, you’ve spent years on various conservative blogs being true to your own obnoxious insulting boorish self, to others with contrary opinions. The consistent ‘true self’ you’ve exhibited is that of a smug whiny elitist, with the gentlemanly center of gravity of a pimp.
There you go: Pimpspierre. A double talking buffoon who keeps the double standard alive and operative in the conservative blogosphere.
Guilty as charged. I DO love good word-play, and I DO employ it liberally (HEH!) against Collectivists in post here.
This is not what I would call “public” however, though I know you will because it serves your trolling here.
I am, in person, quite a gentlemanly person. You could leave your pregnant wife alone with me in complete assurance that your “womb vampire” would be safe and sound on your return.
BTW, how much did your new keyboard cost after you slobbered the old one to death the other night?
So indelicate. So insensitive. So unthoughtful for Troll Feeeeeelings, Rags!! LOVE IT!!
Concur. However, looking at her/his carpet bombing of comment strings here and elsewhere, as you mention, for years now, I’d say she’s/he’s a troll, unattached to responsibility for affairs and patently a-moral. Blogs and especially comment strings on which she/he lands lose utility except for very focused informational posts that are not directly political scrum. It’s regrettable she/he sits on LI and Mandy Nagy’s leadership is lost. Still, focused informational posts do occur, almost daily, and are useful apart from the Honey Pot in the comment strings.
Wow, Creepy, I must have pissed a deep, dark yellow piss on your Wheeties.
This makes the second time you’ve dropped out of left field (I use the term advisedly) to post what is a uniquely personal attack on me having nothing whatsoever to contribute to the thread.
And to lay strange, gonzo lies about me.
Here’s what lets do…
1. you post those other posts of mine…in context…you claim I lay all over the interwebs. Because, see, you following me around for years is just…well, creepy, Creepy.
2. with a lil’ bit of effort, you’ll find Professor Jacobson’s email. I only post here at his good pleasure…or sufferance. You write to him and get him to spruce the place up by kicking me off. If I’m here in a few days, we’ll know he found you as full of crap as any discerning reader here should.
3. what do I mean by that “discerning reader” thingy? “Erickson (were he real it would be Ericsson)…” What kind of insufferable prig says something like that? Do you speak original Norse and sit around polishing your horny helmet?
Yo! Creepy!
Waiting on your evidence for your lies about me. I don’t see anything.
C’mon. Post UP…!!!
Ooo, ouch, Erikson uninvites Trump from the swells’ soiree. Has Erikson heard Megyn’s mouth?
http://shoebat.com/2015/08/08/an-old-recording-of-megyn-kelly-talking-about-penises-breasts-and-how-she-has-sex-proves-trump-was-right-kelly-is-absolute-trash/
That was cringeworthy. Why would she have gone on that show? Extremely poor judgment on her part.
M
Mark Levin rips Megyn’s “Rosie” question to shreds. He heard Trump say, after the debates, that he couldn’t recall saying those things, that he would have his people try to find them. And they did, and the ‘drop to your knees’ comment wasn’t even sexual. An APPRENTICE contestant had said it:
2015-08-07 Mark Levin Rips Megyn Kelly on Her Trump Gotcha Question – Part 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=80&v=XD-Th9jzrDM
Trump DID say it, it WAS a sexual innuendo and you can’t deny it.
Now, here’s how you DON’T defend against a question like Kelly’s; “Oh, I’ll have to go to the archives to see if I said anything like that”.
Here’s how you DO defend against that question; “I never said such a thing, because I simply don’t speak in those terms about a lady”.
And most…if not all…of the gentleman on that stage could truthfully say that.
Trump could not, and because it would be a facial, risible lie.
Let’s go to the audio:
4:07 Levin introduces a Trump interview in which he talks about what he was supposed to have said.
5:15 THE APPRENTICE, SEASON 6: Trump is listening to the show’s “chooser” as he interviews a contestant. The chooser says that she dropped to her knees begging to be chosen. Trump then asks her, “You dropped to your knees” and she said yes. Than Trump said it must have been a pretty picture.
7:10 The contestant herself said she doesn’t remember Trump saying that.
Levin points out that Fox’s people had to spend a lot of time doing oppo research to sift through 6 seasons of THE APPRENTICE to find that quote, and then they misrepresented it. Levin said this debate was a missed opportunity. And it was. If they wanted to pin Trump down, why not ask him for a few specifics of how he would do such’n’such?
I’m not backing Trump right now, but I’m not backing anyone at this point. Like Trump, I’m keeping my options open. What I absolutely detest is the MSM trying to choose our candidates with slimy techniques. I’m thrilled that Trump joined the race; he’s energize the base. His presence is helping the others hone their form, which is a very good thing. I want to see who emerges over the following months. No one can say at this point who that someone will be.
Yep.
Just like I said. Trump said it. It WAS a sexual innuendo. You can’t deny it (with any credibility).
Everything else you say…or Levin said…is ancillary to those truths. Mark had some valid points. He also had some invalid ones.
Did Fox drill down into the Trumpian fossil record? Sure.
Here’s the deal: a lot of people are SHOCKED, SHOCKED that a dog barks. As Rush reminds people all the time, his JOB is to gain ratings, so that he can charge confiscatory rates for advertising on his show. That’s it.
It is gob-smackingly naive to think Fox would do anything else, or has any other prime directive.
Now, you…and Mark Levin…can hop around and slobber about Fox’s emphasis on REAL, ACTUAL Trumpian statements as opposed to what WE think should have been emphasized. Cool. You have every right.
From the POV of Fox, it was a smashing success. And, as Rush reminds us all the time, that’s their job.
Your willingness to lie so blatantly — twice even — transforms you into a troll.
The RINO leadership is toxic, and Trump’s appeal to the base in the canary in the coal mine vis-a-vis that leadership. Your RINO solution? Shoot the canary. You’re a tool.
I too listened to the tape and Trump indeed was making a sexual innuendo. When a man says to a woman “It must have been a pretty picture” in response to her having been on her knees he is not talking about prayer. Trump made a reality TV show and was most likely encouraged to say inappropriate things for ratings. As we all know there is no reality in reality TV, but what Trump says and does is his responsibility and therefore he can be held accountable.
It’s sexual innuendo in YOUR mind because you’re primed to interpret it that way.
The image that should come to mind when someone uses the word begging iassociated with getting on your knees, is of a supplient requesting favor – only someone with fellatio on the mind (usually someone who craves it) has the dirty mind sexual default you do.
I’m really surprised you’re going after Trump like you have. He seems like a guy’s guy., gross at times, but otherwise OK.Are those cigars you’re suckin on a sublimation of some other kind of sexual turmoil?
No, see, I see your error here, stupid.
You have me confused with Dollar Bill Clinton, which is REALLY confused.
You might note that I’m letting you run like a lil’ troll bunny.
Tonight might be your last night here, lil’ bunny. Hop along…!!! Enjoy!
I don’t think Fox dug down nearly deeply enough into Trump’s history. All they asked him about related to pubic statements he’s already made, except one question, and that related to the Iranian general who took a trip to visit Putin in Moscow to discuss arms purchases when he is under UN sanction/exile to not travel out of Iran. Trump had absolutely no idea what that was about and dodged the question completely. I knew what it was about, and I’ll wager that you and most of the members here did, too. But he didn’t. He had absolutely NO idea what or who the question was about. Yet he proposes himself to be the next leader of the free world. Ted Cruz then went on to answer it fully and knowledgeably.
But all other questions to Trump related to public statements he’s already made, and much of what he’s said was exposed as BS.
pdxnag,
I don’t lie. You just did. Trump DID say it, as even Kitty had to admit. Listen to the tape. I did.
It WAS a sexual innuendo.
You’re pathetic.
There ya go again, insulting people on this site. You really are a buffoon.
See, this is one of those fundamental differences between you and I.
I do not consider an observation of fact (telling someone they are a liar when they lie) an “insult”.
For instance, observing that your only function here is to act as a troll is not “insulting” you.
See, stupid?
Did someone just call you a “buffoon” while admonishing you for name calling? /smh
No Fuzzy, I admonished him for being a hypocrite about it. Re read his comments about gentlemanliness, to un fuzzy your conclusion.
maxmillion;
I don’t consider canaries good candidates for POTUS.
Trump could have a VERY effective soap-box WITHOUT running for the highest office in the land. Who could stop him?
But he IS running for the highest office in the land, and under a false flag.
You’re a moron.
What’s pathetic is how anyone who remarks on any of Trump’s manifest flaws and dubious conservatism is immediately tagged with the RINO label — even if that person might actually favor, say, Ted Cruz.
Another of the Trump fans’ quaint habits is to answer any criticism of Trump with the mantra “No more Bushes! I’ll never vote for Jeb!” — as though there weren’t numerous other candidates in the field.
Many Trump fans have an emotional allegiance to Trump and only Trump, and an nquestioning faith (or “absolute trust”) that he will be everything they find lacking in “politicians.”
Whaaat?? Trump absolutely did say it. I watched the video and then listened without watching. He absolutely did say it, and it absolutely WAS sexual.
And I absolutely really don’t care except that it shows the extent to which he acts on impulse even when he knows he’s being recorded, which ain’t good in a prez nor a candidate for prez.
Or does he have editorial control of that show and decided it should be left in ‘cuz it makes him look macho to other dudes, just like his Miss USA thing? If so, it shows what bad judgment he has. He really, really wants people to think he’s got a big pair.
Good for him.
Trump is a joke being played on the party of stupid. Does America want this loose cannon on the world stage, tossing ad hominem attacks at world leaders? He’s a grandstanding egomaniac. Time for voters to show him the door.
I can not understand why it is such a shock to so many people that Donald Trump fails miserably at PC speak.
It’s no shock or surprise, just disgust. He crosses the line between political correctness and polite conversation.
For me, the only shock is that, after answering well, and in a manner that might have put paid to the issue, Trump whined.
Here’s the transcript:
http://time.com/3988288/republican-debate-megyn-kelly/
“Mr. Trump, one of the things people love about you is you speak your mind and you don’t use a politician’s filter,” she said. “However, that is not without its downsides, in particular, when it comes to women. You’ve called women you don’t like, ‘fat pigs,’ ‘dogs,’ slobs, and disgusting animals.”
Trump interjected with a quip: “Only Rosie O’Donnell,” he said, of the liberal TV personality he’s sparred with in the past.
Kelly pressed on. “No, it wasn’t,” she said. “Your Twitter account has several disparaging comments about women’s looks. You once told a contestant on Celebrity Apprentice it would be a pretty picture to see her on her knees. Does that sound to you like the temperament of a man we should elect as president, and how will you answer the charge from Hillary Clinton, who was likely to be the Democratic nominee, that you are part of the war on women?”
Trump responded by arguing that “the big problem this country has is being politically correct.”
“Frankly, what I say, and oftentimes it’s fun, it’s kidding,” he said. “We have a good time. What I say is what I say. And honestly Megyn, if you don’t like it, I’m sorry.”
That was a winning answer, if only he had left it there.
The problem is that ever since he became compelled to one-up his first wife in the public eye, Trump has never been able to leave it alone. It’s become an ingrained habit.
Setting aside criticisms of Trump in this teapot tempt storm, Erickson is an invertebrate, RINO supporting tool. I left Redstate back in 2012 upon coming to this realization and have never looked back.
Not at all surprising that he aligns in lockstep with Kelly and Fox. In the words of the inimitable Mae West, “Goodness has nothing to do with it, Honey”.
Wow. Can you imagine the soul-wrenching torture puuurrrrr Mr. Trump must have felt in accepting Erickson’s invitation to such an odious, RINO-packed event!
Whadda trooper…!!!
I bet he’s relieved and grateful that he doesn’t have to go through THAT.
Ericsson went after Sarah Palin in the worst way, and that’s when I stopped reading Red State. I don’t listen when he’s on Rush and I’m surprised Rush let’s such an anti-Conservative host his show. He’s likely bucking for a spot on Fox and thinks Megyn is the route to that.
Erik Erickson is the estiblishment’s goto RINO Dan Pfeiffer long before this primary season.
I am glad this blowup happened. Whatever Trump is or is not, it is exposing the RINOs coronation scheme and the role FOXNews plays as part of that.
This didn’t start with Trump (who is the one forcing the illegal alien national dialog).
Ask Sarah Palin…
Apparently Sarah has come out supporting Ted Cruz and Scott Walker, no talk of Trump since his debate performance and what followed.
Clinton, Faucahontas and the Left in general THANK Erick, Ragspierre, and all others who buy into this BLATANT IDENTITY POLITICS garbage of the Left!
No, Raggy, there was NO “sexual inuendo.”
I wasn’t aware “a wherever” was a genital.
How idiotic.
MY first reaction was Trump was talking about Kelly being STEAM BLOWING ANGRY…as in blowing hot out of her ears or even posterior….
But thanks to all buying into this nonsense for being wuch a Useful Idiot of the Left in legitimizing P.C.!
Carly Fiorina
✔
@CarlyFiorina
Mr. Trump: There. Is. No. Excuse.
10:41 PM – 7 Aug 2015
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So… You came out of the RINO closet, Rags.
To each their own.
No, honey. I was a “C” Conservative before a lot of posters here were born, and I still am, in integrity with my principles.
The idea that anyone who even dreams of calling themselves “conservative” is enamored with a pure-d ADMITTED crony of the worst establishment sort (i.e., Trump) is so amazingly stupid and irrational it makes my ears ring.
I’m not a RINO, starting from the simple reason I’m not a Republican, and haven’t been for several decades.
Jeebus…
Don’t “Honey” me, Mr Rags the Sexist.
I am not your “Honey.”
Since this how you treat women, then nothing you say will ever matter again.
Next thing we know, you’ll be accusing me of having blood coming out of my “wherever.”
Self-parody, thy name is VotingFemale…
It’s funny (in a sad, sad way) how Trump fans are so accepting of his history of materially supporting left-leaning politicians and causes in order to increase his personal fortune (“He was just playing the game, of course!”) — while they insist that he is (now) selflessly devoted to saving the country and that he will single-handedly guide it on the path of true conservative principles in a way that no one else could or would do.
The mind of the Trump fan is a wondrous thing.
You’re not a Republican?
What are you then, an ambulance chasing pot-bellied dilettante Troll???
*ahem*
If you’re gonna unlimber the RINO bomb, it might be wise to first look around and see to whom it applies. Trump has made no secret of giving money to all kinds of politicians, and supporting Democratic causes, including the Clintons. If there was a Republican In Name Only on that stage, it was Trump. He is running as a Republican because it’s the place he could get a forum.
I, for one, expect politicians to make compromises. That’s their job. They are required to balance the interests of all the people in this great, wide land, in all the many circumstances where they are found. Labeling someone who agrees with you most of the time with a term that essentially means “liar” is not an effective route to getting what you want.
Oh my.
Speaking of “Conservative” and “Fiorina”…
HAVE YOU SEEN THIS?:
https://www.conservativereview.com/2016-presidential-candidates/candidates/carly-fiorina
You’re probably IN DENIAL
over Kelly’s PORNOGRAPHIC LIE
about Trump’s INNOCENT REMARK:
http://therightscoop.com/megyn-kelly-took-trump-on-your-knees-comment-out-of-context-contestant-agrees/
Are you accusing Rags of gender cucking for the progressive feminist agenda?
I’m OLD SCHOOL.
I think of the phrase “USEFUL IDIOT to the Left’s agenda.”
Ref.: Vladimir Lenin
No, liar, you’re no class, not old school.
Here’s how I know: the contestant’s memory or interpretation of what Trump DID say are called “red herrings”. Those are forms of lies, told to defect from a central idea…or here, a truth.
La.
Dear Used RAGS Wiping Up Diahretic Dog Droppings:
It’s not “memory” when there’s VIDEO, you moron.
Another lying deflection.
BOTH have been offered, if I’m not mistaken. Plus, you idiot, I video people testifying from memory all the time.
But here’s the crux: Trump DID say it. It WAS a sexual innuendo, regardless of how you care to lie around it. And ANY input…in ANY form…you cite from the contestant is STILL a red herring.
This puts you in the camp of “Obama voters” who happen to hold some “conservative” views.
Lying is NOT a Conservative value.
These are all serious questions:
1. a) Was “cuckserative” the last word you learned, and
b) was that the day you realized you’d never had an original thought?
2. (Be careful, and don’t be confused by the terms “original” and “critical”) When did you realize that critical thinking was “too hard”?
3. Was the last time you considered questioning what you read at “Conservative Tree-sloughs” (credibility = Mother Jones)—
a) never
b) huh?
c) who is Mother Jones?
Please write sentence using all your “cuck _____” creative skills.
So we can point at you and laugh.
Sir!
Your mixed drink (Colt45 and MD20/20) is refilled in your favorite big jug!
Sir!
IOW…”I got nutin’, so I’ll sputter bullshit”.
I drink single-malt and smoke good cigars. And I laugh at idiots on the internet.
Thanks, BTW…!!!
Using the term “cuckservative” or the preface “cuck”-anything is the equivalent of putting a clown nose and big floppy shoes on one’s comment.
This incident with Trump isn’t really about rebellion against PC, and I don’t know for sure if his “wherever” referred to genitalia or menstruation or not. He sounded too frantic like he was having an anxiety attack and just ranting. It’s about dignity and self-respect, not PC
What is important to notice about this dust-up is the undignified nature of Trump’s hysterical hyperbolic tantrum, “Did you see her? You saw her! She was bleeding from her eyes, her wherever.” I think there’s too much attention, PC or otherwise, being placed on the “wherever” question. The bigger issue is the entirety of his lashing out in such an inartful, garish and inarticulate manner. He sounded like a schoolyard pantywaist having a raving tantrum at the principal because Johnny took his ball.
He has no personal dignity, just ego, and I think he is mentally unstable.
FWIW, I admire Carly Fiorina greatly.
PLEASE SEE the link I provided above from
CONSERVATIVE REVIEW about her policy positions.
FOREWARNED IS FOREARMED.
TYPING IN ALLCAPS is the blog equivalent of writing in green ink.
FOREWARNED IS FOREARMED.
Carly is not a conservative: https://www.conservativereview.com/2016-Presidential-Candidates
She supports
– Common Core
– Dream Act
– Climate Change
– Believes there is a good, benign Islam out there somewhere despite daily atrocities and human rights abuses non-stop since its inception.
Ragspierre? You are the Self-Parody, sir.
That comment of mine responding to you calling me “Honey” was to highlight the destructive power of the Left’s #WarOnWomen BS.
The BS Megyn trotted out is a Liberal PC weapon.
I like that Trump has stood tall on the Mexican Illegal Invasion. Does that mean I condone how he handles criticism? NO.
Do I approve of turning a “debate” into an inquisition by the debate hosts? NO.
Do I approve of Erick Erickson’s tactics to shut down a presidential contender? NO.
Does Trump have a lot of baggage? YES.
Will this sort itself out in due course by Trump’s own hand one way or the other? YES.
This is a multi-element equation and all the variables are ranging back and forth hour by hour.
-VF
Good for you!
“The BS Megyn trotted out is a Liberal PC weapon.”
Hard questions based on FACTUAL statements are “Liberal PC” weapons…???
Boy, are we in trouble.
“That comment of mine responding to you calling me “Honey” was to highlight the destructive power of the Left’s #WarOnWomen BS.”
Yeah. Sure. We all believe that.
Seriously, VF, who’s the sexist? I’m a black Chinese queer single mother. I can call anyone “honey”, and I will.
Or I’m a very masculine father of a large family, and I can STILL call anyone “honey” I care to, and I will.
Where I’m from, it’s a term of endearment, and I can’t count how many waitresses have referred to me using it.
I never got wee-weed up like you did.
Heh!
“That comment of mine responding to you calling me “Honey” was to highlight the destructive power of the Left’s #WarOnWomen BS.”
“The BS Megyn trotted out is a Liberal PC weapon.”
“Do I approve of turning a “debate” into an inquisition by the debate hosts? NO.”
Excellent reply to the absurdity that preceded it. The above I found to be particularly apt. Thanks, VF.
And, another thing before I descend from the soap box…
There was no contender vs contender “debate.”
What that was was an interrogation of each contender by FOX hosts as if in court being grilled by three prosecutors.
Megyn is a lawyer and it was obvious. She was an associate in the Chicago office of the law firm: Bickel & Brewer.
Duh. How many times have I written here that this is NO way to chose a POTUS candidate?
What “way” are you referring to, Rags?
Is there common ground for us in there somewhere?
Politics is a blood sport. Don’t whine when you (or your fave candidate) gets asked harsh questions.
What’s next, accusations of bullying?
Megyn is a gunslinger. She delights in being that. Well, babe, when you fire you must expect shots—however nasty—to come back at you. Why are people freaking out over Trump’s implication that Kelly’s nastiness was because she was on the rag? C’mon guys, everyone knows what we women can be like during that time. It’s now ungentlemanly to say that? Oh, please! Whether she was or not is irrelevant. What is relevant is that Megyn Kelly went after Trump using misrepresented and out of context data. That alone says GOPE hit.
As for Erickson disinviting Trump and inviting Kelly, what a foolish thing to do, what a Democrat thing to do. The problem with the GOPE is that they wish to discredit Trump and have used Kelly to do it, amongst other LSM and blogging lickspittles. Let Trump speak, and let people make up their minds about him. Audi alteram partem. How does inviting Kelly address help the voters to evaluate Trump’s perspective on issues.
Erickson and the GOPE are spectacularly unserious at a most serious point in American history. Beta males all down the line.
I love how insanely loyal Trump supporters are. Reminds of the Paul Bots of yesteryear. Do you think Trump as any real policy ideas that can be articulated in complete sentences? How about his commitment to the American founding and its supporting documents ( the constitution) what has Trump articulated regarding his desire to uphold defend and protect the Constitution.
And your wild defense of the indefensible must be because you have blood coming from your wherever.
So, you are all in for leaving the border with Mexico open like Walmart on Black Friday. Noted.
People support those who stand up to the Ruling Class.
The Ruling Class and their lapdoggies defend by attacking the outsider using liberal weapons.
It’s all good, huh?
That may be the stupidest thing I’ve read here today, and there’s some HIGH stupid goin’ on here.
Before Trump, NOBODY was talking about border issues among Conservatives…?!?!?!?
That’s just crazy.
Sure plenty of ‘conservatives’ were talking about it. Amnesty, kowtowing to businesses that want cheap labor, more amnesty, amnesty disguised as a ‘citizenship’ path. Here legally but not citizens but with a work card (so again cheap labor). Only one of the other debaters came close to Trump’s position. The rest either were for open borders, path to citizenship, outright amnesty, status quo, or some other burden to the American people.
It’s like they’ve forgotten the preamble to the Constitution.
Indeed, and anyone who doesn’t wholeheartedly favor Trump obviously wants Jeb to win, and obviously believes that Boehner and McConnell are doing a fantastic job.
The mind of the Trump fan is a wondrous thing, isn’t it?
I love false dichotomies, ether it’s this way or that way, no other suggestions, answers, ideas allowed. And if you don’t see it my way I will call you bad names and publish your phone number. I am still waiting for an answer regarding Trumps policies other than “build the dang wall” and I know how to fix things. Again, what is commitment to the founding of our country and the US Constitution?
I believe that Trump is part of the ruling class, as I believe we are living in a plutocracy. Trump himself admitted during the debate that he buys influence in Washington by giving to politicians of both parties. That way he is able to get whomever is in power to do his bidding.
Oooohhhh. Nice false dichotomy there. Call President Obama for pointers, I hear he’s using the heck out of that one to justify his idiot treaty with Iran.
VF: Thanks so much, Honey.
Cannot Possibly make This Poop Up!! (*But, then she does.((-: *)
If women want to play in the big leagues they need to man up and deal with innuendo.
To be honest I probably a male chauvinist pig. I don’t intend to change, others can deal with it. When my daughters were growing up my job was not only to protect them, but to prepare them to deal with the world. The daughter who attended the US Air Force Academy called home and complained that everyone there was a male chauvinist pig. But, she knew how to deal with them because she grew up with the best of them. My God, I created an Amazon.
In order to expect gentlemanly behavior, women must behave in the expected lady like behavior. You can not expect one without the other. Megan, “ladies” grow a pair.
Moron, I said audi alteram partem. Hear the other side. You misconstrue that I am a Trump supporter. I do not misconstrue your idiocy. It is election season. Let us hear ALL the candidates. You GOPE types want to tell us to whom we should listen, who should speak, and for whom we should vote. The beta males you all have supported have lost elections and lied to us about the candidate to whom they lost.
Let all the candidates speak, however offensively, and let citizens decide whom they want. Ericsson does not understand free speech—hypocritical bastard is running pious in re his wife’s and daughter’s ears when he has slandered women and name called some of us—cuz he thinks it’s only for him and its suppression will gain him favor at Fox.
Y’all just don’t get audi alteram partem, bloody Democrat clones.
“Megyn is a gunslinger. She delights in being that. Well, babe, when you fire you must expect shots—however nasty—to come back at you.”
I wholeheartedly agree with the above. She acted like a big B little itch; so did Mr. Trump. I’m not impressed with the behavior of either one, but I’m at a loss to understand all the “Poor Meghan” whining. If you dish it out, better be prepared to take it.
It’s called attacking the messenger. “Oh, dear, the moderator is picking on me!!
The Trump-humpers are getting out of control.
You Rock, Juba!
High-Five! Sister
That’s what I’m thinking about you, girl. You rock. You’re wading in there, fists flying, throwing down, and nobody making you up. I’m enjoying your posts. Rock on!
Erickson is guilty of gross hypocrisy – his own twitter record is worse than anything Trump has ever tweeted. Kelly has earned her bimbo credentials with those sleazy photos in GQ and obscene trash talking on Howard Stern – She is more deserving of the word Rush called Sandra Fluke than Fluke ever was.
According to Rush, Kelly was doing a hit for Murdoch who got orders from the big money RINO donors who could buy Donald Trump.
The debate process is looking a lot like a vast RINO conspiracy to take out Trump before the FL primary and win the GOP nomination for Bush.
We can probably look for Erickson in an anchor position at Fox before too long.
How right you are Uncle Samuel.
RedState.com’s editor Erick Erickson twice called retiring U.S. Supreme Court Associate Justice David Souter a “goat fucking child molester” on twitter.
This particular fallacy is called “Ad Hominem Tu Quoque”.
It takes the form, “Oh, yeah!?!? Wul, your guy did it TOO!”
It is a fallacy because it does not address the wrong. It merely implicates another person in wrong-doing.
I expect Erickson, like all us sheep, has gone astray. IIRC, he admitted it and apologized. I still think he’s right WRT Trump, who has done neither and will not.
Temper temper, Rags old boy.
To Erickson I say: Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
Erickson is a undeniable hypocrite and hothead thus has no business being the point man pointing his judgmental finger at others when it comes to things people say in the heat of the moment.
Justifying/excusing bad behavior by pointing to another’s bad behavior is a logical fallacy as Rags pointed out. If we were to live consistently by this “you did it too” mentality then no behavior can be criticized since no one is without sin.
And there you are, with your bulging bag of rocks, and one in your hot lil’ hand!
And, no, dear, Erickson is NOT a “hypocrite”. You misuse that word as carelessly as a Collectivist.
A hypocrite is a person who PRETENDS a value that they do not hold, like Barracula Dollar Bill PRETENDING to be Christians or revere marriage.
It is not being a “hypocrite” to ACTUALLY hold a value, but fall short of its ideal expression, such as you, me, and Mr. Erickson. THAT is called “being human”.
I disagree with you, Rags…. DEAR.
I never said that what Trump does is negated because Erickson did it too.
I said, in effect, don’t send a mouthy hothead to condemn a mouthy hothead b/c history on the internet is forever and I know where Erickson’s mouthy hotheaded tweets are located.
Making you…by YOUR definition…a hypocrite.
See NOW, Miss Rock-Chunker of 1989…???
Rags, honey, dear, wherever, I am not a nationally known big-shot paid-contributer at FOXNews, Erick Erickson is.
I am a woman who votes.
And THAT, darlin’, is called a “double-standard”.
WOW. You really ARE a hypocrite!
Democrats give you their hearty thanks.
This was meant as a reply to Karl Bauch, and to every other self-described conservative who vows to sit out the election if it comes down to Hillary vs. Jeb (or Bernie vs. Jeb, or Joe vs. Jeb).
I have yet to see anyone explain how helping the more leftist party win elections actually makes the country better or advances the cause of conservatism, other than in their fantasies of a new, election-winning party arising fully formed from the ashes.
I understand what you’re saying, but in my opinion, Bush would form a triumvirate with Boehner and McConnell and this three-headed monster would be indiscernible from liberals. I don’t think electing a Democrat or this group will make a difference at all to our country. The GOP has no idea what they stand for anymore. I will vote but I hope Bush is not the last one standing.
If, IF the Donald truly wants to be President, then he damn sure should begin looking by words and deeds, becoming ‘Presidential’. This is NOT a “you’re fired” election!
Regardless the questions/questioning, becoming ‘Presidential’ (not ACTING as one, we have that actor already).
What next Donald when a FEMALE asks YOUR opinion with a pointed question or scenario, do you answer and/or fire back, in the press with BITCH!?
If a MALE inquired, would he be A DICKHEAD?
Like I alluded to, Trump is now in a swimming pool of political sharks for the first time as a politician.
He will either learn quickly how to handle criticism in a less self-detructive way, or else.
Temper is a two-edged weapon that cuts both ways.
I know because I also have temper.
FWIW, some have faulted Ted Cruz for being too diplomatic.
I view Cruz as being in it for the long haul rather than being a flash in the pan at the start of this selection process.
I would be refreshing if he was asked a policy question rather than his opinion of kotex v. tampons.
If this is the kind of circus Fox is going to conduct then maybe the more serious candidates should consider foregoing the Fox “debate” series altogether. Silly subject matter and precious little face time benefits none of the candidates. Why should they all participate in a shooting gallery format designed to leave Jebby as the last man standing? Trump last time. Who next time? Whoever polls ahead of or close to Bush?
The GOPe has got to be laughing their asses off at how willing their voting lemmings are to knife each other over style and fluff while completely ignoring the lack of substance being offered. That debate was worthless. Look! Look over here! Donald said something nasty about Megyn after Megyn was mean to Donald!
Demand better, people.
This is a problem.
We need to get our candidates before voters all over America. The only way to do that (according to convention) is via a televised “debate”.
But the ONLY places that can happen (according to convention) is via networks. And THEY live or die on ratings, not on your or my idea of civic virtue.
So…
Bringing pressure to bear on FOX is what is needed and it is happening as we speak via social media. It’s raging.
We now share some common ground, Rags.
But is this one of those, “There’s not such thing as bad press” issues?
See, again, Fox’s JOB is to earn high ratings. Having a LOT of social media dust in the air MAY mean they’re delighted.
I say again, you can’t blame a dog for barking. It’s what they do.
What I think we SHOULD consider is finding an effective medium for holding these debates that has a different set of priorities than commercial TV.
Aye, we have a problem, but not one of civic virtue so much as an ever-tightening control of access to information. It apparently matters not a bit which network is used to restrict access. Standing ten candidates on a stage for what amounts to little more than a limited audio photo op might as well have been left to CNN or MSNBC. Fox is simply the latest network selected to pimp for the GOPe’s preferred candidate. By design there will be no fair exposure for the others during these debates, which renders their usefulness to voters as worthless. Entertaining in a twisted sort of way, but completely void of substance for a serious-minded voter. Which is exactly what the elites are after. They want your vote to be a false choice between their two chosen candidates. The rest has become a scripted reality show.
From the first question designed to call Trump out to the next question by whatever her name was about women and Hilary directed at Trump. Fox started off gunning for Trump. They want him gone maybe for good reason. He might be pulling a Perot who knows?
Whether he is or not the GOP elite will find reasons to snub and trip him up at every turn. They would rather lose than have Trump.
Forksdad, when did it become FOX’s job to “weed out” anyone?
FOX oversteps their bounds by a very wide margin.
That weeding-out process is the job of voters via the polls.
That’s funny, because some people on this thread would apparently rather lose to the Democrat-left than vote for anyone but Trump.
This is the *beginning* of the primary season when supporters defend and attack in support of their candidate at this time.
I learned the hard way not to endorse so early in the cycle.
At this moment in time I favor several specific candidates and disfavor several specific candidates with Jeb Bush at the top of my disfavor list.
This is a process which is not unlike a spinning grind stone. Some will fall by the way side and some will get sharper by the experience.
I’m quite aware that this is the beginning of the primary season, with many candidates in the running, but many Trump fans seem to believe there are only two: Trump and Jeb. They’ll answer any criticism of Trump with “No Jeb!” — and then some of them go on to declare that they’ll not vote for Jeb, or anyone else they deem a RINO, even to stop a much-worse Democrat leftist.
Non-Trump-fans are generally pondering a handful of favorites, and would pull the lever for virtually any Republican in order to stop the Democrat. Among Trump fans, by contrast, the allegiance is very often rather exclusive, with a big dose of faith.
If it wasn’t Trump it would be someone else being fiercely defended.
That is why I made a hard rule long long ago: Don’t permit the talking of religion or politics at the Thanksgiving Dinner Table.
Personally? I don’t care who supports whom, whether on the left or the right. This is not about supporters.
This is about the candidates themselves.
When I’m on twitter my modus operandi is going after candidates and their professional surrogates.
If a Politician’s grassroots supporter gives me grief, regardless of left or right, I bid them adu and block ’em.
The fact that I am here and not on twitter at this time is a rarity, but this discussion beckoned.
With that said, I feel my agent twitter-orange kicking in so it is time for me to head back over there.
Everyone have a blessed day! 🙂
Cao Y’All
I find this comment disingenuous.
When Trumped announced I said three things: 1) I supported his entrance for the popcorn value. ( Boy has he delivered on that one. 2) also because he would shake things up. ( Notice how none of the candidates talked about undocumented workers, only illegal aliens? How sincere they are is another thing. ) 3) I might or might not vote for him depending on how things shook out when he got to Illinois.
I, as many other conservatives feel that I would rather see the Democrat-left win than the Republican-pretending-to-be-right-but-really-left. I’ve had enough of that. The breaking point for me was when the GOPe encouraged (black ) Democrats to come and vote in the Republican primary so that a conservative would not win.
I’ve seen that attitude of better a Republican Rino then a Democrat play out in Illinois. Where did it end up? The previous statewide cycle, there was one Republican elected to state wide office. The Republican party in a shambles.
Rags the Great: You have my strong AMEN and “Thumbs Up” on every one of your comments on this thread. Good Grief!! Self-Proclaimed conservatives slobbering for Donny Boy?! Embarrassing. And piling on you for being a Gentleman and standing up for Trumpy’s OCD Dark-of-Night slimings of Ms.Kelly?! He’s a Pig. A Coward. An Infantile Defiance poster child. One God for Donny: DONALD. One Value for Donny: DONALD.
Good on you, Rags. Got your back, Brutha.
Thankew…thankew verra much. There’s another show at 8:OO. Be kind to your momma, and tip the waitresses nice.
Please…Pleeeaaassseeeee…Standing only embarrasses me.
Not so pleased long time acquaintances, Donald.
2016 US ELECTIONS
4m
Photo: Roger Stone’s resignation letter to Donald Trump – @maggieNYT
http://www.breakingnews.com/
Well of course. The Donald team, said Stone was fired.
Trump won’t win Iowa, New Hampshire, or South Carolina. He might do well in Nevada because *casinos/gambling* and help from Harry Reid, but few care who wins Nevada. Next comes Super Tuesday, March 1, 2016. I fail to see how Trump would win any of these Super Tuesday states:
Alabama
Arkansas
Colorado caucuses
Georgia
Massachusetts
Minnesota caucuses
North Carolina
Oklahoma
Tennessee
Texas
Vermont
Virginia
Blustery words coupled with pre-existing cable TV reality show fame draws the attention of media seeking ratings, but it doesn’t win primaries.
Perhaps Mr. Erickson has made a case for doing your research before the day your assignment is due.
http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2015/08/i-don-trust-trump-donald-secretly.html
Amain, amain…
I’d rather be called RINO than act like a vulgarian.
I’ve seen a freak show turned politician before and it wasn’t pretty. Ask Minnesotans about how effective Jesse Ventura was as governor. Ventura’s base and Trump’s appears quite similar and Trump does seem to be patterning parts of his campaign after Ventura’s.
It won’t work. Ventura benefited from a very short campaign than allowed him to conceal the rougher side of he persona as well as some of the most liberal voting rules in the nation that allowed the lo-infos to register and vote on election day with little ID. Trump will wear out his welcome long before then. He also won’t self finance. Real estate developers never put their own money at risk.
Interesting. A tabloid “debate” on the emotions. The popular idiom, “blood out of the eyes, ears, etc.”, refers to an agitated or highly emotional state.
As for chivalry, it requires a reciprocal relationship between men and women. In the age of “equality”, or rather equivalence, the concept of chivalry and respect has been degraded and debased for political, economic, and social leverage.
The “agitated or highly emotional state” is how I read it. Given the current fixations on bodily functions and genitalia I might have gone with “fire breathing dragon,” but I’m sure many would take offense at that as well.
Why does no one expect an impolite entertainer to behave like an impolite entertainer?
Erickson and Kelly will live to regret what they have done in re Trump, although likely they will not associate the boomerang with their acts in this particular.
Kelly was/is working for Murdoch to promote Hillary and Jeb. Erickson (were he real it would be Ericsson) was/is working for Erickson.
Megyn Kelly “..was/is working for Murdoch to PROMOTE HILLARY and JEB.” (Caps all mine.)
DRG: Really..? Seriously..? (*Thank you, Mark O’Meara.*)
Yah, boy. The hellfire is jus’ a’rainin’ down.
http://twitchy.com/2015/08/08/trump-campaigns-press-release-about-rsg15-disinvite-gives-jonah-goldberg-second-thoughts/
Da Donald may be losing it already. He’s writing in the third person already.
It’s kind of sad…
Much dramas. Many angst.
Make. It. Stop.
Grow up, y’all!
Amy, ever notice how reading is almost entirely a voluntary activity…???
ignore my clumsy fingered downvote; won’t let me change
Take a minute to ask that there be no more guest hosting by Eric “Judas Iscariot” Erickson.
here: [email protected]
Trump isn’t my top choice. In fact he’s 4th. But I’m not going to stand by idly while a leading anti-Amnesty candidate is being banned for not being politically correct when defending against an organized Establishment attack.
Erickson is being showered with praise by the liberals, and Republican Establishment. If you wanted to drive Trump into an independent run for President, booting him offstage at the last possible minute is a perfect way to do that. Stopping opponents from speaking is what the left does on college campuses. Red State just made it part of its ‘conservatism’.
CANNOT possibly make this s*** up. Donald is a malignant narcissist pig. An Infantile Defiance on steroids. A lying liar who LIES. A moral midget. A VAST Testicular Concavity and a self-parodying bully.
Other than that, he’s a POS.
Gee. You could work for the Obama Adminstration – villifying your opponents like that.
Erickson is just a Bushie – bought and paid for. Anyone who proclaims Jeb Bush is the Most Conservative Candidate in the race has a hidden agenda or a screw loose.
“Bushie”..?? For the record, Matt, he did a helluva good job here in my adopted state of Florida(*Says this nearly lifelong Californian and subsequent refugee from the Peopeles Republic.*)
So, you find poster boy King Baby Donny your preference above Jeb? BHWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaa…!!
That, in poker, is called a(Huge)”Tell”.
‘Nuff said.
Did he declare that “Jeb Bush is the Most Conservative Candidate in the race“, or that when he was governor of Florida, he was the most conservative state governor out there?
Because, despite his recent swing to the Left, Bush actually was very conservative in his role as governor of Florida. What actions of his as governor can you point to to prove that he wasn’t?
Again, I agree that he’s made a wide swing to the left since having left office, but as governor, it’s hard to think of anything he did that wasn’t in support of conservative ideals.
Trump kicked himself off
stoogestage by stating he will no longer appear on Fox. Anything for a controversy to stay in the spotlight. This is Trump’s same Rosie O’Donnell fight only on the political stage. What a coward and whiner. Folks, meet America’s newest victim. Rather than put his big boy pants on, if he has any, admit he needs to brush up on some issues and show some dignity, he starts a pissing match with Fox and attacks a journalist. So now he’s going to do ALL the Sunday alphabet shows and whine about Fox, music to their ears. Good gawd, I cannot believe we have come to this.It’s Ericsson’s platform, and he can invite and disinvite whomever he pleases. I’ve never been a fan of Redstate because it’s too GOP establishment for me, but it’s Ericsson’s private gig and he can do as he likes. He has no obligation to any one candidate. Trump wants to shun Fox, and Ericsson wants to shun him but Trump is now whining about Ericsson, but I doubt that Trump’s ego renders him capable of seeing the irony and hypocrisy of what he has wrought.
I never had much of an opinion one way or the other about Trump. He seemed kind of undignified for a supposedly high-roller businessman, but oh well, live and let live. He showed some humor now and then and didn’t seem like an evil person, so no big deal either way. I was pretty neutral about him. I now despise him with every fiber of my being, matched only by disgust for obastard, Boehner and McConnell.
Erik Erickson is “Judas Iscariot” because he betrayed your Lord and Master, Jesus Christ? I mean, um, Donald Trump?
#CultOfTrump #Whoa
Trump is bucking America’s completely corrupted political system. Completely For that alone, support him throughout the campaign as if your freedom depended on it.
Meagan Kelly did to herself what Ann Coulter did to herself. Coulter has never fully recovered. Neither will Kelly. She seems to be merely a GOP ‘establishment’ hack.
And Erickson? What a putz!
Trump isn’t bucking squat. He’s big-time pay-to-play. He said so himself. He’s one of the biggest insider elitists in this country. His past is that of a typical grubbing ‘rat phony buying and selling favor. He outsources his clothing line to China and Mexico while simultaneously bleating about our trade deficits and what a great deal he can make to bring manufacturing back to America ‘cuz he knows The Art of the Deal. Well, as a serial bankrupter ‘deal’ maker, he ran up huge debt on those businesses, sucked out the cash, sold his interest and left other people holding the bag, including some small investors and vendors who never got paid. His buildings were built and are staffed by illegals. His businesses are hiring more workers from Mexico at this moment. He sought and received five deferments from the draft, the last being a favor to his dad. Rich boy coward. He never fought for a conservative cause in his life or ever stood for anything except his own pocketbook. He lied when he said he had proof that the Mexican government was orchestrating the flow of Mexican illegals into this country. When pressed by Chris Wallace THREE times for an answer, it finally boiled down to him making the claim that he was told this by a couple border agents when he visited the border. THAT was it. Nothing. He knew ZERO about the Iranian general under UN sanction/exile orders to not leave Iran but went to Moscow where he met with Putin to discuss arms sales. Trump was DEER IN THE HEADLIGHTS – not the faintest clue about what was being asked. I knew about it. Most of the regulars here knew about it. But a man proposing to be the leader of the free world doesn’t know about it? That’s how you know he isn’t serious about getting elected and is just running interference for Hillary. Trump has a long and deep history with the Clintons, his good friends. He flat lied on his candidacy financial filing. He has worked every year for decades with Forbes to assess and publish his wealth ranking. Forbes puts it at 1/2 of what he claimed on his candidacy filing. For an example, Trump is claiming the Trump brand is worth $3billion, which is about a third of the $10billion he claims he’s worth in his candidacy filing. Forbes values it at $125million. The other discrepancies occur in his real estate valuations and cash on hand, which is about $300million. That’s not enough cash for a campaign against Hillary, so he’s going to be going to the same pay-to-play people for cash donations.
He’s not running to win. He’s running to split the vote because Jeb is losing to Walker. In a head-to-head match, Hillary beats Jeb but loses to Walker. But Jeb has been declining while Walker has been rising. Enter
Ross PerotDonald Trump. Same playbook Bubba used. When he gets Hillary elected, he will have all the power, money and access he could want for the rest of his life. He sounded like the ultimate Godfather when, in his reply to a question about why he gave so much money to Hillary, he said he did it because he wanted the Clintons to come to his wedding. WHO believes that?Anybody who believes in Trump or supports him is getting rolled, and it’s making me sick to watch it happen. We have a great slate of candidates, and now he has shat a turd into the punchbowl that will float until the day Hillary is coronated. I’m beginning to think that obamacare architect, Jonathan Gruber, was correct when he said American voters are stupid. If people fall for this deceitful scheme, there will be no doubt left about the accuracy of Gruber’s assessment.
The disenfranchised conservatives and others who are supporting him are fools and I pray to God they don’t sink us with their gross stupidity.
Meantime, he’s bucking the system! He’s saying what every GOP candidate should be saying, without negative consequence.
Compared to Obama, Trump IS Jesus Christ. My dog, compared to Obama, is Fido Christ. Household sewage compared to Obama is…well, you get the point.
Utilize Trump for what he is doing: single-handedly destroying the tyranny of political correctness, and in the process, energizing the base.
Don’t sweat it: the election is a year away. We’ll see who Trump really is. Nonetheless, he’s done what he’s done, and it’s great.
Circus Clowns And Sideshow Freaks: In my worst nightmares when the lights are swallowed by the smog of some nefarious gloom and the air itself becomes a stale sarcophagus into which I am entombed, and the grim hands of putrefied fate sinks their wretched grip into the thick of my neck and all seems irrevocably lost, I merely recall that soon I will awaken to the horror of a terminal America infested by career criminals and certifiable morons, and suddenly, my off color dreams don’t seems so bad. Ultimately, there is nothing worse to me than a public majority that takes everything they hear from the mouths of political warlocks at face value. Even the fear of death is a true pittance compared to the threat of being enveloped by a stampeding herd of frightened, stupid, human cattle.
What is the point of this cut & paste business? Can you not write your own comments here, and leave the InfoWars crazy at InfoWars?
No more Megyn Kelly moderating Republican debates — now approaching 20,000 signatures here:
https://www.change.org/p/news-corp-rupert-murdock-prevent-megyn-kelly-from-hosting-any-further-republican-debates
Let’s see here, Colonel Custer: 20K versus 64-Million viewers Thursday night. Y’all go on down along that river, Colonel. Do, by all means, let us know how that woks out for’ya, Colonel.
Now headed for 25,000 🙂
Probably most of them watched her biased performance at the debates; that’s why they’re signing the petition right.
Getting the bed-wetting Trump-is-a-victim riled up is a sign the moderators did their jobs well.
Put on your grown-up undies, grow a spine and toughen up. You’re not protecting a CHILD from big, bad Fox News. You’re unwittingly providing free advertising for a 2-bit hustler cut from the same cloth as the Clintons.
RINOs gonna whine
Haters gonna hate
Angry tantrums aimed at Trump
Just make us celebrate 🙂
No more Megyn the Moderator for Republican debates petition blows though 25,000! Whee!
https://www.change.org/p/news-corp-rupert-murdock-prevent-megyn-kelly-from-hosting-any-further-republican-debates
You’re petitioning to get a girl fired because she embarrassed your candidate.
Not to get her fire, and Trump is not my preferred candidate which again is Cruz, Walker, and Carson in that order. But I won’t remain silent while the RINO Lilliputians try and gag Trump cause he certainly speaks for me on illegals.
We already had one slimy pig named Candy Crowley, who grossly biased the debate for Obama, while clueless rino Mittens Romney let himself get played.
Megan is no pig, but she did show herself to be, shall we say, ‘less than independent,’ and less than the ‘gutsy’ commentator she portrays herself as.
Too bad for Megan. Credibility is an awful thing to lose. Trump only got more of it.
“RINOS”..!! ROTFLMAO in abundance, Col.Custer errrr..DaMav. What cheap, glip, unsupportable nonsense.
Rags, JackR & other Adults on this(“Tell” filled)thread: Join me in imagining Donny Boy at a table with Vlad Putin, the Supreme Ayatollah or any other muscular enemies of freedom. Gag provoking at Best, eh?
I think it curious that the Trumpites want to ban Megyn Kelly yet in truth I am sure each of the other moderators were aware of her questions. So they all should be banned. This was a Fox blooper. I didn’t like the line of questioning in this first debate but even if they unfairly held a knife to Trump’s throat, Trump cut his own throat. He lost a major moment and now needs to blame others. He could have said he would not deal with that issue in this debate. Period. And ask them to move on. He could have exhibited some class. He chose wrongly.
Early on in Thursday’s prime time debate, Donald Trump told Megyn Kelly, “I’ve been very nice to you, although I could probably not be based on the way you have treated me. But I wouldn’t do that.” It was a good call, that final sentence.
Unfortunately, having had time to think it over, Trump reconsidered. He decided to indulge himself and “do that.”
Thus, Trump said of Kelly to CNN: “She gets out and she starts asking me all sorts of ridiculous questions. You could see there was blood coming out of her eyes, blood coming out of her wherever.”
Trump now claims that by Kelly’s “wherever,” he meant her nose. “Only a deviant would think anything else,” he (or his handlers) insist.
Actually, it’s implausible to think that Donald Trump doesn’t know how to say “nose” when that’s what he means. “Wherever” very probably meant a body part too private to state publicly by name.
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2015/08/trumps-excuses.php
He’s swirling the drain now.
http://theothermccain.com/2015/08/08/in-praise-of-erick-erickson-for-curb-kicking-a-discourteous-cur/
And writing disjointed sentences in the third person.
So, you’d be happy bringing Candy Crowley in to moderate the Republican primary debates? How about Snuffleupagus? Or Chelsea Clinton?
Megyn had her shot as moderator, and turned in an extremely biased performance. Think of all the highly talented people out there with conservative credentials who deserve a shot at it.
Oh, for God’s sake. I haven’t heard this much whining since the last time I sat my 2, 3 & 4 yr.old grandbabies after they’d been sugared up at the zoo and had no naps.
These candidates propose to be the leader of the free world, the most important job in the world, after everything has been decimated and desecrated by obastard for 8 years. They had better be able to handle it because this country is on life support when it comes to the economy and national security.
The tough questions were fair and fairly evenly distributed. Trump was NOT mistreated. He wasn’t asked about anything he hasn’t already talked about publicly. He’d be pulling this same show-boating pettiness no matter what he’d been asked. Some how, some way, he’d find a slight to blow up into a major media farce to keep the focus on him him him him.
The deck is stacked. The game is rigged. If ‘whining’ is what it takes to destroy the leftist and rino stranglehold on the right, so be it. Whine away.
The GOP willfully signed up with FOX, on board every inch of the way. If they got ambushed in the deal, it only further underscores how bad the current GOP is at doing things. They get their butts whipped by the prom queen and blame the prom queen instead of themselves. GOP + FOX. Lie down with dogs, wake up with fleas. And that works both ways.
When a conservative refuses to vote for some cookie dough soft GOP candidate, it’s the voters fault. When the GOP gets its ass repeatedly beaten by Obama, it’s because holding both houses of congress isn’t enough, they must have all three by implication. Well, they had all three and not long ago. How did that go?
Now the GOP has allowed itself to be ambushed by FOX News, and once again it’s not the GOP’s fault. They are victims, oce gain powerless.
Everything the GOP does goes south, none of it is ever the GOP’s fault, these brave GOP lads in leadership always have scapegoats hand, but the GOP sees no reason to change.
I have absolutely no problem with the questions the candidates were asked. The field needs to be winnowed. Hacks like Huckabee, Bush and Pataki and Trump, the fraud, were outed. Lightweight thumb-sucker Paul was outed. I want to see how they handle themselves under fire, because we’re looking at a very dangerous world now and a smorgasbord of major, debilitating domestic problems. I want to see who can take the pressure and who can’t. Hillary’s camp will be merciless, as will the rest of the media. As far as I’m concerned, this
debateforum was child’s play. I would have been tougher than this moderator panel was, and Trump especially is lucky that I wasn’t on it or it would have been even worse for him.Trump would destroy Hillary Clinton. (She won’t be the candidate, anyway.) There’s be nothing left but her cankles.
Truth is, anyone can destroy Hillary Clinton. All it takes is to shout the flying obvious.
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“Trump clearly thinks that being a candidate for the highest office in the land is the same as being the boss of one’s own “empire”.
And just a small observation: As it seems to go with a certain type of man who has great power and wealth, and an even greater ego, Trump simply cannot resist the compulsion to continually try to convince everyone else of his self-importance. Woe to those who don’t buy into it. It’s a rather pedestrian insecurity that betrays the exterior image of the all-powerful, brash braggadocio who doesn’t care what anyone thinks about him. Yet, given enough time, these sorts eventually hang themselves by a self-made rope of childish insecurity and insatiable ego.”
http://patterico.com/2015/08/08/whether-good-or-bad-trump-will-keep-himself-on-the-front-page/
One narcissist as POTUS in my life-time is quite enough.
No… that would be Obama.
“The future must not belong to those who slander the Donald Trump!” You Trump Humpers want to silence dissent, to shut down any media who doesn’t fall in with The Trump.
You and your prophet are coming off as every bit as thin-skinned and petulant as Obama!
This was in response to those people who are crowing about their petition against Megyn Kelly.
One of the things that’s interesting is looking through this thread at the delusional posts DENYING Trump’s video and audio recordings saying what he said.
I also found interesting the number of people here who I’ve never seen before.
Makes you wanna go, “Hmmm…”
Speaking of “silencing dissent” let then record show that this entire article is about the attempt to silence the leading Republican candidate by banning him from speaking at a major political function.
Trump’s dissent against RINO sellouts on illegal immigration and other issues need to be heard, and contrasted with the opinions of others. BLM kicked Bernie Sanders off the stage and he literally whimpered and caved. Eric Erickson kicked Trump off the stage for not being politically correct. Neither Trump nor those standing up to the RINO Establishment are going to go away with their tail tucked — we aren’t that kind of people, so turn down your outrage because “We will not sit down and shut up.”
Those of you defending Fox and the questions should note that even Uber-Amnesty-RINO Lyndsey Graham said Fox was unfair to Trump. (“Graham: Trump questions were an ‘inquisition,’ not a debate”) And Lindsey Graham hates Trump!
Trump is not my top choice. But the lynch mob trying to silence him by keeping him from speaking and even trying to force him to quit the race deserves nothing but scorn. And of course, criticize him all you want, but the vitriol directed at him would be better trained on the Democrats, and the media pushing us to embrace “moderates” — that would include FOX.
“Eric Erickson kicked Trump off the stage for not being politically correct.”
No. THAT is an outright lie, and you either know it, or you’re just a delusion fool.
Erickson, after giving Trump ample opportunity to apologize (instead of issuing gob-smacking lies about what he said and what he meant…apologia) withdrew HIS organization’s invitation. NOT because of “political correctness”, but because of Trump’s craven need to smear someone with the last word. All he had to do in the first instance was accept what he was calling a “win”, and keep his trap shut. After failing to be in control of himself enough to NOT say what he…again…DID say, all he had to do was man up and apologize, pace Erickson.
For the record.
In summary, your position is that Erickson did not throw Trump off the stage for being politically correct but because splut splut splutter he didn’t apologize for his splut splut harrumph! lack of political correctness.
Meanwhile, the No More Megyn Moderator Petition, zips past 27000 🙂
s/b ” did not throw Trump off the stage for being politically incorrect but “
Enough with this ‘apology’ b.s.
He has nothing to apologize for. Megan Kelly’s skin is to thin. Maybe she is not ready play in prime time.
Bottom line: Trump is winning. He’s doing so by saying ‘screw you’ to ‘rules’ of tyranny.
More power to him. Literally.
Boy, do you have that backwards!
Watch her interview with Kurtz. She is a tough as nails, whatever you want to fantasize about her.
It’s Da Donald…MR. ESTABLISHMENT…who has such a thin skin, he was DRIVEN to open his trap to CNN after he SAID he won the debate, AND after he’d said he was done with the matter.
You people are pathetic. You are exactly like many Obama voters in the 2008 cycle.
Amazing how many people see that this once-great country is swirling down the gurgler, yet are quite happy to support the scripted “election.” The Cartel owns the MSM; obviously since the “debate” that includes Fox, which is very disappointing. One less outlet to even marginally trust!
Sure would have been nice to have an actual debate, where policy questions were proposed & the candidates could argue about their position. Did you like Ben Carson’s view of Planned Parenthood? What about Ron Paul’s ideas on Black Lives Matter? Oh, did you miss those? So did I!
I did see a tart, dressed for the role, putting on a great performance in some fake reality TV show; that’s not a debate, though. Great TV, that’s the reason I don’t watch it anymore; it’s all fake, phony, and CGI.
Fox “News” has defenestrated itself. I was very disappointed, and have let them know. The rest of you can just keep on voting for the Uniparty; I’m sure Boehner and McConnell are standing by their phones, waiting to do your bidding!
“Sure would have been nice to have an actual debate, where policy questions were proposed & the candidates could argue about their position.”
I think most everyone would agree with that without argument.
But if you tuned in expecting that, I suggest you are delusional. We can’t get that kind of thing from commercial TV.
We need to find (make, actually) a TV debate forum of our own. We need a REAL moderator, which is not remotely like a panel of inquisitors, who will set a proposition and then moderate the responses. Some period for questions from views would also be good.
This is not anything LIKE a real debate, and it is no way to pick a POTUS candidate.
Well Rags, I guess you missed the earlier debate, you know the “kid’s table” debate.
That was an actual debate; policy questions were asked & discussed; the moderators were professional, polite, and got out of the way to let the candidates speak.
Sorta/kinda what I was expecting for the main event. But no, we got the snark express, with scripted gotchas. Extremely unprofessional & very biased. I guess that’s what you like, but I hoped for at least a modicum of professionalism; that was missing.
It may have been more of what YOU like, but it still wasn’t a debate.
See, words mean things.
And you MIGHT try reading what I write before you attack me. I MOSTLY agreed with you about the idea of a debate, and I agreed with you entirely on the notion that THESE are not that.
The fact that you bring up Ron Paul makes me wonder how many Trump Humpers are simply rebadged Ronulans.
Nah.
Donald Trump Is the New Ron Paul: Their appeal to their ardent supporters is precisely why they won’t get elected.
Gee, I sure wish I had a dollar for every ad hominem directed against Trump. I’d be richer than he is!
Post a few, in context, and we’ll see if you even use the term correctly.
Booo-Hooooooo…More Donny Boy weeping babies around this thread than I’d have ever guessed. I’m especially loving how easy it has become to be labeled(GASP!!)”RINO” if one is repulsed by the pathological behavior of King baby Trump.
Any Trumpettes are cordially invited to look up the psychiatric terms: Infantile Defiance & King Baby.
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I just realized that if you listen to Carly Fiorina for more than ten minutes straight, you develop a massive headache. She has zero chance!
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MARK LEVIN: FOX NEWS, MEGYN KELLY ‘HOSTED A NATIONAL ENQUIRER DEBATE, NOT A REPUBLICAN DEBATE—OWE AMERICAN PEOPLE AN APOLOGY’
Thanks Mark, for validating what so many conservatives are seeing
Cite to someone here who thought this was a “swell debate”?
You can’t. Not you, nor Levin, nor anyone else has truthfully defended Trump’s record. (Nor has Levin TRIED, because that’s not his brief). Also, Mark, who’s a very smart man lost sight of something. Kelly does not work for the American people. She did what she is paid to do; get high ratings.
But you LOVES to conflate the two things. Wonder why?
Also, Mark, who’s a very smart man lost sight of something. Kelly does not work for the American people. She did what she is paid to do; get high ratings.
Yeah, too bad Levin doesn’t have your vision, insight, and powers of condescension eh? Closing on 28,000…
Well, ONE thing that Levin and I share is the human capacity to be mistaken.
See, I don’t bow down and worship other men.
You’d be hard put to find the time to worship others given your full time worship of yourself 😉
28K-Petitioners vs. 64-Million Viewers.
Please expose yourself to the unaccustomed torture of critical thought…
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Gonna have to borrow that one! 🙂
She got high ratings for one night. But she’s permanently lost a good part of her audience. Probably not her choice to have been the rino hatchet-girl, but being a rino hatchet-girl has consequences.
If it were not for trump, all of this political theater would be nothing more than a coronation for bush. He’s not first on my list, not even 3rd, but he’s far from the bottom.
Trump has shaken up the republican establishment, his poll numbers keep going up, even after what so many of you trump haters call “gaffes”.
You don’t have to like trump to know the Fox news “debate” was a joke. You don’t have to like trump to know that Ms. Kelly was out to get him, just like Fox news is in general. Fox is for bush. Anyone with an ounce of brains can see that. If they cannot get bush they will settle for some other chamber of commerce approval.
Trump continues to lead bush in Florida. And nationally. Yep, he’s messing up you statists desire to have an R win even if it is a USA loss. Dole, McCain, Romney. Those are the only candidates the R’s have put up except for a Bush since Reagan left office. Every single one is for unlimited illegal immigration just like the current office holder. Every one is for amnesty just like the current office holder.
Trump is providing a useful service to those of us tired of having only one party, the DC ruling party. If the R party can provide nothing more than it has I would just as soon see it burn to the ground. Maybe from the ashes something useful will spring.
I’ll take Trump over Bush/Rubio/fill in the blank every single day because I KNOW what Bush stands for.
Cruz and Walker are first on my list. They have no chance without trump in the race as they are not the DC ruling party choices.
Some of you so indignant about Trumps choice of words are calling everyone that is not childish names. Your use of the language is more telling than trumps.
I’ll support trump just to piss off the anti liberty among you, and you number many.
As far as what trump has said, he’s right. Ms. Kelly was out to get him as was fox news. For someone that has used language far worse, Mr. Erickson, to claim he disinvited trump for speaking as he did about the motives of Ms. Kelly is disingenuous at best. Trump called rosie a few names? Wow. Who hasn’t. He said something in a TV show you find disagreeable? It’s a TV show.
You don’t have to personally like trump to enjoy the results.
Well and thoughtfully put. I particularly applaud the concept that without Trump in the race candidates like Cruz, my favorite, would be deliberately (sic) lost in the shuffle and brushed aside. Trump, whether you like him or not, has knocked the Establishment Elite on its butt opening the race for several others who should be heard. No wonder they are so desperate to shut Trump up.
My bet is that Cruz has a plan, and he doesn’t need jack-spit from Mr. Establishment.
I watched and supported Cruz in his run for the Senate here in Texas, and he’s very, VERY good. Watch and see.
Plus, this is a strong, secure man. The opposite of Mr. Establishment, who makes Jeb! look like Barry Goldwater instead of the NE Republican he’s always been.
As I said, Cruz is my favorite and he has been for many months. Nothing has changed.
However, without trump in this race bush would be out in front. No one can predict the outcome of a different set of circumstances, but I do not believe Cruz would have any chance without trump in the mix. The long knives of the R establishment are out for Mr Cruz, but they have their hands tied trying their best to fend off trump, the knives are dull.
Try not to let your personal dislike of the man color your analysis.
“However, without trump in this race bush would be out in front. No one can predict the outcome of a different set of circumstances…”
Except you just did. This is just one of several self-contradictory statements you make. I credit you with better sense.
I don’t like the man BECAUSE of my rational analysis of his record, personality, and APPARENT motives.
He’s a fraud. He IS Mr. Establishment. The very personification of an oligarch.
And, absent his OWN pooch-screwing, nobody would consider that Fox had holed his hull. If he’d had the control to go on CNN the next day and talked about ANYTHING but his butt-hurt, he would have suffered no damage. The damage done was by the idiot scuttling his own yacht.
Rags, what flippin damage are you talking about?
Is it damage to go up in the polls by 7 more points? Is it damage to be ahead of the Rubio/bush together R consortium by 4 places?
If you think trump is damaged cause you are talking nasty about him, think again. He cares not one bit what you or I think, nor will he ever know what we think. He could care less what CNN/Fox/MSNBC thinks or says either.
If you call the result damage, I’d hate to see what you call success.
“Except you just did.”
Touche. OTOH, the result, trump in front, cruz in second is self evident. It is this set of circumstances.
“This is just one of several self-contradictory statements you make.”
Care to find another?
You are wrong, and I’ll explain why. First, know that I’m a political junkie from way, way back and I understand polls and polling methodology. in fact, ‘political junkie’ is a gross understatement of my attention and study of politics in this country.
Here’s the situation: In a head-to-head general election, Hillary was beating Jeb within the margin of error but she was losing 2-4 points BEYOND the margin of error to Walker. So Jeb would be a beatable opponent but Walker would not. Her problem is that Bush was sinking in the GOP candidate polls while Walker was rising, which means Hillary would probably not have the luxury of running against Jeb, a loser for us. Got it? Okay. So Trump comes along and proffers himself as non-establishment, meaning an anti-Jeb candidate. So Trump’s appeal is to the same people that Walker appeals to, which is conservatives. Jeb doesn’t lose any support to Trump, because they’re appealing to two different bases – the conservative base for Walker, the establishment base for Jeb. There is no establishment support for Trump, so there’s no loss for Jeb. Switching support from Walker to Trump increases Jeb’s chances because it increases his poll numbers relative to Walker’s decrease lost to Trump. Jeb is now higher in the GOP polls than Walker is because of this, when starting several weeks ago, Walker was pulling up and away from Jeb’s numbers.
Therefore, supporting Trump is really supporting Jeb unwittingly. If Trump stays in, this will be a brokered convention and Jeb will walk away with the nomination. The very smartest thing for conservatives to do is push Trump out as fast as possible or they’re going to wake up to a Jeb candidacy and a third obastard term. They will blame the GOP establishment for being treacherous snakes, which they are, but will fail to see they were their own worst enemy…..again. That’s how conservatives are getting rolled and are so emotional (angry with good reason, including myself) that they have lost their critical thinking skills. Trump is a turd in the punchbowl, and they’re lapping it up like Jim Jones’ Kool-Aid drinkers. They have no idea what a corrupt RINO he is because of his bombast and baffle them with generalized BS “Trrust me, I’ll do it, I have a plan. I’m rich so I must be smart, right?” schtick. “Make America Great Again!” sounds a lot like “Hope and Change” to me.
Obastard never set forth his plans, and conservatives criticized him for it. Obastard had no experience in governance and conservatives criticized him for it. Obastard was arrogant and egotistical and conservatives criticized him for it. Here come the same traits in a shifted shape, brand and color and they’re taking the bait; hook, line and sinker.
Bingo.
Trump’s rise in the polls comes not at the expense of Jeb!, since I can guarantee than not one single Jeb! voter has switched camps to Trump.
Trump is taking votes away from other conservatives within the GOP, not from non-conservative establishment types.
Not to mention, the online poll they’re all crowing about that puts Trump’s support at 32% also makes the point that “the number of registered voters who say they see Trump unfavorably remains high — 52 percent of all voters say they see him in a negative light. That makes Trump both the most popular candidate within the Republican field and the least popular candidate Republicans could nominate for next year’s general election.”
Trump can’t win the 2016 Presidential Race. All he can do is split the conservative GOP vote enough that no conservative Republican can win. Either Trump will get the nomination and hand the election to the Democrat candidate, or he’ll cause the nomination to go to Jeb!, in which case he’ll hand the election to either the Democrat candidate or the establishment GOP-Lite candidate.
None of these scenarios are a “win” for conservative cause.
” First, know that I’m a political junkie from way, way back and I understand polls and polling methodology.”
OK, I should just defer to your self described skills I suppose. Except, your analysis is wrong.
Per your other comment later in the thread trying to impress us with your grand knowledge of polling, it is straight from polyscience 101.
You will find no statement anywhere from me suggesting trumps groundswell of support cam from Jeb supporters, quite the opposite.
As for the rest of your analysis, such as trumps candidacy actually helping Bush, well, apparently knowing polling buzzwords doesn’t help you very much. It is completely backwards.
Sorry to put holes in your silly theory, but regardless of the polling methodology, Trump is in the lead for the R nomination. Perhaps he will falter, but I am willing to bet it will not happen.
Everything you think you know is wrong. Trump is a chainsaw raining on your parade.
One more time for the benefit of all you challenged intellectuals.
Since Ronald Reagan, the R party has nominated three people for the presidency not named Bush.
Dole, McCain, Romney.
All losers. No conservatives. The Bush group are not conservative either. McCain and Romney both lost because conservatives failed to support them. Those are, in the end, the only “polls” that count.
Trump is raining on your loosing parade.
Donald Trump is not the “liberty candidate.” Seriously. He’s an elitist. A statist. A crony capitalist. An authoritarian. Find one serious libertarian who supports him.
What pro-liberty cred does The Donald have? Being gratuitously nasty to Megyn Kelly does not count.
Amy, I made no claim that trump was the “liberty candidate”. I said I would support him just to piss off the anti liberty types. Those that support illegal immigration, amnesty, high tax rates, how many do I need to list?
Yes, trump is an elitist. Name a candidate with any chance that is not. They all are.
There are very few “serious” libertarians. Scratch most of them and you find something else. Libertarian is what I consider myself to be (with a small l).
Perhaps you should read what I wrote once more or for the first time, without the blood coming out of your eyes, or wherever 🙂 Hint – the pro liberty cred is destroying the anti liberty GOP preferred candidates. He is doing a very good job of this by the way. Look at the latest post debate poll, who is on top – trump 23%, cruz 13%, carson 11%. Rubio and Bush together have 15% and are 5 and 6th place.
Absent the Donald these would not be the results. It is trump that has driven a stake through the heart of the vampire(s).
Read JRT’s analysis above. Trump’s bumps in the polls come not at the expense of candidates like Jeb!, but at the expense of actual pro-liberty candidates like Walker and Cruz.
Again: you crow,
Have you truly not noticed that the people most annoyed at your strange fanaticism for an authoritarian, elitist Statist are not anti-liberty Jeb! fans, but actual pro-liberty supporters of actual pro-liberty conservative candidates?
You’re all caught up in this romantic idea that you’re “raging against the machine,” when in fact you’re doing the exact opposite.
“Trump’s bumps in the polls come not at the expense of candidates like Jeb!”
Amy, in just about every one of your responses you make up something I never said. And I have never said, nor implied, that trumps support comes from Bush supporters.
Try to put together a cohesive factual comment that relates to anything I have actually said on the subject.
Trump is giving it to Bush in the tush.
It’s great.
Not at all. The one being harmed by Trump’s candidacy is Walker.
there are not too many people I have a personal aversion to more than trump but erikson could possibly be that person.
so someone I dislike banning someone I dislike is pretty much a wash.
I cannot stand ron paul, but I always wanted to hear his views as he does sometimes make some good points, erikson banning all talk of him was the catalyst for me to dislike him.
then the mods at rs basking in their demigod status was the final straw.
I got banned for saying if I ever did anything ban worthy I would respect their decision and not argue/fight it as it was their site.
somehow that was banable offense. their sh1t stinks a lot more than they think it does.
THIS is what’s hurting Trump, and it has zip to do with Megyn Kelly…
http://twitchy.com/2015/08/10/ouch-dont-look-now-donald-trump-but-erick-erickson-crushed-your-lame-slam-attempt-with-1-brutal-truth/
He can’t stop.
Can you hear us now? ROFL!
Trump jumps up in polls after debate and Kelly kerfuffle 🙂
Up 7 now at 32% vs Bush at 11%
http://morningconsult.com/2015/08/trumps-lead-grows-after-debate-controversy/
Some commenters here may go on suicide watch :-O
Oh, and because you want to know, No More Kelly Moderator Petition is now headed for 50,000 🙂
https://www.change.org/p/news-corp-rupert-murdock-prevent-megyn-kelly-from-hosting-any-further-republican-debates
Let’s see how Mr. Establishment polls in a poll that counts (these are called “primaries”).
How big a fraction of the subscriptions on an EFFECTIVE petition to take Kelly off her job do you think 100,000 would be?
C’mon. Guess…
When the polls don’t support your statements, just claim the polls are meaningless.
Do you assert that polls can be meaningless?
Care to predict how Trump will fare in primaries?
Rags, you are the one making the assertion polls are meaningless. They are, of course, nothing more than a gauge at one point in time. One that has all you trump haters going gaga. If trump were at 2-3% we would not be having this discussion, so yes they are relevant.
Primary prediction, you go first 🙂
I’m still hoping for Cruz. But trump is a nice chainsaw to use on the statist republican establishment. I will continue to enjoy it for as long as it lasts.
Barry, do you know what “internal” polling is and how it’s conducted? Do you know what “herd” polling is and how it’s conducted? Do you know what conventional or “straight” polling is and how it’s conducted? How about benchmark, brushfire, tracking and opinion polls? Do you know how filters and demographics are used in the different types of polls and why? Do you know ANYTHING about the mathematics and methodology of polling?
JRT, you’re just brilliant. I’ll put my skills as a mathematician up against yours anytime. I do it for a living as an engineer.
I took polyscience 100 as well. Apparently you failed at the analysis part.
Ragspierre and Hillary sittin’ in a tree… rofl 😉
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/hillary-defends-incredibly-impressive-megyn-kelly-from-outrageous-trump/
Who dares stand up to the Raggsy/Hillary Alliance, joining forces to trash Trump for daring to challenge Princess Megyn, fairest flower of the RINOcrats??
Rupert who?
I guess News Corp’s WSJ was right, about the general illiteracy of Trump fans. LOL.
My observations are:
That was not a debate.
It was an assault on the Republican party, and Trump in particular.
It started right out with a slap to his face.
And it wasn’t a lot better for any of the rest of them.
I am wondering if they would even bother with going to another Fox News debate.
The RNC, the Mainstream Press and the Elites in Washington have forever controlled the conversation.
Trump really doesn’t have to play ball with them.
They cannot threaten him about money… but they still have power in the party nomination process as well as the media.
Take for instance, the Red State debacle.
They threw Trump out and replaced him with Kelly.
She is a reporter. No more. What makes her a conservative speaker?
Her Employer?
Anybody ever heard of Prince Alwaleed bin Talal?
Anyhow, on that note, Tump can lay claim to yet another victory in exposing Eric Erickson of Red State as just another of those who believe they are the ones that should be in control of steering the nomination process to suit their desire.
Alas.. Red State has completely marginalized themselves.
And had Trump not forced them out, we might well still take them as a legitimate voice.
Thanks Don.
Gosh. 3 thumbs down so far.
Would anybody care to elaborate on why?